Kain has some of the best vague threats in videogaming, even to this day. I get chills every time I hear "...but in the meantime, you'd best *burrow deep*..."

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

That line! :) Isaac thinks it has become so iconic if for no other reason than it is one of the last things the player get's to see spoken from Kain. Isaac misses this series and wishes it would come back.

@Brandelwyn

5 жыл бұрын

Vague? lol

@papa-g-123

5 жыл бұрын

I get chills everytime i hear "Vae Victus"

@philipchurch8772

5 жыл бұрын

The one I love is "Your words are heartening, for you would not fear us unless we could truly do you harm! False god! This is the end, the final turn of your wheel!"

@PerceptionVsReality333

5 жыл бұрын

I agree with you on that.

Remember in Soul Reaver1 Elder god tells Raziel after vampire souls adapt to the spectral realm they become eaters of souls. Which is basically elder god telling on himself that he did not make Raziel but that Raziels transition into a soul Reaver was a natural occurrence. However Raziel didn't pick up on that until he states in soul Reaver 2 that he suspects the elder god just took advantage of him when he first woke up in the spirit world. And goes on to declare the elder god a spooling parasite nestled deep in the heart of the world

@Tony73727

5 жыл бұрын

Raziel is incredibly smart but fate made him walk into traps and believe lies because it was ordained. His free will still felt controlled even though no one could control him.

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. He is easily one of the top 5 smartest people in the Legacy of Kain Series of games. But he follows revenge as if he was a horse wearing blinders and often misses obvious hints and clues left by both enemy and friend.

@darraghtalorgan1905

5 жыл бұрын

@Shendu LordOfDragons In the spectral realm when Raziel attacks them they lose their ability to effect things; they become more like ghosts than spectral monsters. So, their souls don't naturally go into the wheel of fate and given enough time they get their power back by devouring souls. Raziel kills them by weakening them to this point and then consuming their soul, effectively killing them.

@darraghtalorgan1905

5 жыл бұрын

@Shendu LordOfDragons The video doesn't say they were immortal. He did say that vampires didn't work the same way that normal souls did in relation to the wheel of fate.That in itself was not about vampires become soul wraiths but over the fact that after they died the would reanimate their old bodies now as vampires.

@darraghtalorgan1905

5 жыл бұрын

@Shendu LordOfDragons Oddly enough, I can't see your reply here but I can in my notifications. It's mostly just childish insults because I disagreed with you though. You were right though, I was mistakenly thinking you were talking about the video and not the commentor. That said, the commentor didn't say they were immortal either, that they just adapted to the spectral world. "Shendu LordOfDragons replied: "Are you gonna quit being an idiot? Yes?? Good!! The guy who made this comment said they were immortal dumbass and I'm replying to him"" Hey asshole, I'm sorry your fragile ego was broken because i disagreed with you because you were wrong.

One reason i love lok series is the best voice actors. Kain, raziel even the voice of the elder god. Great gameplay, great storyline.

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

Isaac agrees. The voice acting for this game series was 100% on point. Good game play and a very compelling story.

@damiancrowley569

4 жыл бұрын

To this day I feel This was one of the most beautifully rendered intro cinematic in gaming. As well, as one of the most interesting, creative game's that I've ever played. If ever a remakes NEEDED to be created, it's this. This needs to be remade scene for scene, area by area, mechanic by mechanic to lose NO parts, in modern tech with next-gen graphic and 3d modeling.

@chrisgoetz3816

3 жыл бұрын

Especially loves the voice of the Elder god. It really set the stage.

@pvmchrisy

3 жыл бұрын

my mates 42 and he is the living embodiment of Moebius , havent had the heart to show him a picture yet >.< lmfao

@jht3fougifh393

3 жыл бұрын

"...even the Elder God," biiiitch, that's Tony Jay! He's the biggest of all the voice actors by far. You silly, silly person. Seriously though, Raziel's my favorite in terms of voice acting. But you're right, it's all great! This is my favorite video game to this day. It really is wildly impressive.

He didn't evolve while he was dead. Raziel's spirit grew more powerful with age while he was a vampire, and the Elder God tried to take credit for the natural processes that turned him into a wraith once his physical body was destroyed. Raziel was too developed to swallowed like other souls, and so he was treated like the other vampire wraiths and turned into a servant of the Elder God. Raziel was older, purer, and more evolved than any other vampire that had turned into a wraith, meaning that he retained more of his features and personality in the spirit realm and was a lot harder to kill.

@blesseddrones9852

4 жыл бұрын

The reason Raziel looked the way he did was because he is the reincarnation of the Hylden champion.

@Darkman9000

4 жыл бұрын

@@blesseddrones9852 He wasn't anybody's reincarnation. The Hylden and Vampire champions were simply figures of their respective prophecies, both believing in a hero who would vanquish the other. However, it is revealed that Raziel is both, due to his free will and unique experiences granting him both forms of the reaver blade.

@Jose-se9pu

4 жыл бұрын

Not to mention, this was Kain's plan all along, to create a living creature who had free will.

@DeadmaN-2112

4 жыл бұрын

I absolutely agree with the idea that he did not evolve and instead only got more powerful. The part you're all over looking here is Raziel was never a part of the wheel because he was a vampire. Vampirism denied the spirit the ability of death and rebirth. The elder god simply used his tattered appearance in an effort to trick Raziel into believing he was the champion of the other side. Kane never had the intention of creating someone with true free will, he simply realized it after spending thousands of years staring into the endless possibilities. That's a huge difference between the intention of creating someone with free will. More importantly Raziel was never the champion of the other side. He was the weapon of their destruction but because Kane turned him, and ultimately threw him into the abyss... Kane accidentally insured the fact that Raziel "the weapon" could never be destroyed. The hilden and the elder god knew this and so they set a plan in motion to turn the weapon of their own destruction against the one who was always meant to wield it. And last but not least the idea that any of them had free will was actually a misinterpretation on all of their parts. Raziel realizes this at the very end and is the very reason why he submits. He all but says this at the end. He knew that this stalemate would continue for eternity and that is when the fulcrum tips.

@arx3516

4 жыл бұрын

@@Darkman9000 the vampire and hylden champions were probably just misdirections created by the Elder God to fool both Kain and Raziel.

Raziel: The Soul Reaver - pure of all corruption - this is what it is for. This is what I am for - The two become one - both Soul Reavers - together - and the Scion of Balance is healed. And I - am not your enemy - not your destroyer - I am, as before, your right hand. Your Sword.

@RedFloyd469

4 жыл бұрын

Best dying words. In one single act of sacrifice, Raziel both purifies Kain and gives him the means to destroy the being that has been behind all the conflict of the entire series. Not to mention it settles once and for all the differences between Raziel and Kain, but also redeems their failures. It's such a powerful moment.

@Den-nd6xn

4 жыл бұрын

@@RedFloyd469 best reply indeed.. 👍😁

@ultraspawn4685

4 жыл бұрын

Don't forget, after Raziel said "your right hand", he also added " your sword". 😀

@danpasquale1620

4 жыл бұрын

When i first heard that dialog i got goosebumps like crazy

@bahaeddinsagar

4 жыл бұрын

I still gets goose bumps when i read or hear that dialogue ! Or the ending of soul Reaver 2 !! Amazing

Two mistakes: • He can't be seen by those in the spectral realm either. When Moebius died and woke up in the spectral realm he couldn't see the Elder God until Raziel struck him with the purified Reaver. •I could swear Kain used a teleportation spell or ability or whatever so... what portal?

@skins9131

5 жыл бұрын

Yah i agree nobody can see the elder squid , and kain disnt use any portal wtf? He can teleport But would prefer a several hours in depth analisies of the franchise

@skins9131

5 жыл бұрын

@Shendu LordOfDragons when? U mean when he dies and teleports in spirit real to where elder squid is ? Cuz that isnt raziel that is where he always reborn * remade, cuz he is imortal and cannot be destroied ( aka game mechanic to not have game overs )

@skins9131

5 жыл бұрын

@Shendu LordOfDragons in defiance? Raziel doesnt tp nothing he leaves the demon realm and kain shows up in avernus cuz elder god transport kain to avernus and they fight. And in sr2 that is a game mecahnic that allows raziel to respawn after dieing in combat Raziel never tps

@skins9131

5 жыл бұрын

@Shendu LordOfDragons cuz went into a portal.... He doesnt have ability to teleport

@WhiskeyTango76s

5 жыл бұрын

I don't think that's just a game mechanic and it's also not teleportation, he's basically leaving behind a part of him that essentially acts as a sort of net that his essence can cling to before it's whisked back to be reformed from the start. It fits within the setting and would be keeping in line with what I think was a series that's usually what I remember to be pretty good with gameplay-story integration(though it's been years since I've replayed them so I may be forgetting something). Now for teleportation in general, in a way Raziel can sort of teleport. Am I the only one that would screw with NPC's/enemies by attacking them and letting them run far enough to where they woukd think they're safe only for me to go into the spectral realm, which if you remember stops time for everyone but you, and materializing right in front of them to finish them off? Now it's not an ability called teleport but when viewing it from a material perspective it may as well be. Haha I hope I'm not the only one who did this as a kid, lol I really love this series and wish they'd finish it or maybe do a Blood Omen remake. Edit: Shit, scratch that about the spectral/material shift, that's actually not a gameplay mechanic and is only possible through a code that lets you shift anywhere so it's not something he can do at will(unless ofcourse that was a mechanic added so people can't do exactly what I did. I loved doing it in the Kain fight but I think I remember him not being caught in that loop, you can see his silhouette moving around but I may be remembering that wrong. As for Kain, he can definitely teleport at will(in both fights with him in SR1 it was basically his edge) though I doubt he can do it from long ranges but he doesn't really have to, in both Blood Omen 1 and in Defiance you could use his power to turn into a swarm of bats that allowed him to travel great distances though if I remember right there was only certain locations you can do this in Defiance and is how he primarily got to different regions.

I believe the Elder God started as one of those "scavengers" that are seen in the spectral world and then slowly evolved into his form we see in the games.

May we get more LoK lore please?

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

Anything specific you would want to hear about?

@Theunion802

5 жыл бұрын

@@TrueMastersandMorons Why Kain really threw Raziel into the abyss.

@AndrewMaksymBrainNectar

5 жыл бұрын

@@TrueMastersandMorons Maybe tell us more about the vampires history or about the blades they use?

@arx3516

5 жыл бұрын

@@TrueMastersandMorons the process of creating a vampire, in particular how Kain sired his lieutenants, he didn't bit 'em on the neck!XD

@panic0n

5 жыл бұрын

Why did Raziel progress quicker than kain? Or you know..anything & everything.. this series is maybe the best piece of story writing in any game ever!

You forgot to mention that the Elder God was voiced by Tony Jay. And i think you should do a lore vid about Kain at some point if you have not alredy.

The Legacy of Kain series will always be the best story based game I ever played. Thank you for breaking down the Elder God's background. It really makes a lot more sense, even after all this time. Still holding out for a new Legacy of Kain game someday. Maybe a spin-off too.

5:00 He can't be seen by anyone... not even those in the spectral realm... moebius only saw the elder god when Raziel pierced him with the purified soul reaver

Of course the Elder God is old, all the main characters are incredibly old, Raziel served Kain as a vampire for over a millennia, wich means both him and Kain are roughly 2000 years old. Wich is still very young compared to the squid!

One of the best game ever. It's a pity that it didn't have a continuation. A a day it deserves a remake at least.

fun fact if the reaver breaks again, Raziel soul gets released and is reincarnated as he can never truly die

People shouldn't do lore videos unless they are well versed in the topic they are discussing. I guess this is part of the show where it's more of the Morons talking than the masters in your video. So many details are wrong in this video. Raziel didn't get stronger as he waited 500 years to awaken, he naturally became resistant to the wheel of fate as the Elder God didn't get to him yet thus becoming a wraith, also the Elder God knew Raziel and Kain's true destiny. Raziel was Kain's First Lieutenant NOT a general. , Kain broke the blade in Soul Reaver 1. The Soul Reaver Blade is not capable of harming and killing the Elder God until Raziel was purified and THEN entered the sword. It was also only Raziel's current soul that entered the blade. Raziel sent the tortured part of his soul (Wraith Blade) into Kain to cleansed Kain from the corruption of the Pillars and back to the state of the Scion of Balance. The Elder God and Moebius the time streamer made it so Raziel would enter the sword prematurely before he could cleanse himself and the Wraith Blade AFTER they made him kill Kain in the original timelines. At the end of Kain and the Elder God's battle Kain simply teleported (A natural ability he has). A nearby portal as you put it didn't exist. Kain is well over 1,500 year's old in the Soul Reaver Game

@cedric5947

4 жыл бұрын

When Kain fights William, William's sword gets broken in Blood Omen. It's the one Raziel repairs in SR2.

@phantumgrey

4 жыл бұрын

@@cedric5947 yeah i know that, everyone knows that. What's your comment supposed to mean?

@cedric5947

4 жыл бұрын

@@phantumgrey You said that Kain didn't break the Soul Reaver in the first game... He did.

@phantumgrey

4 жыл бұрын

@@cedric5947 Good catch what the hell was I thinking back then? I clearly had a dyslexic moment with my time lines

@ResidentEvilNostalgia

4 жыл бұрын

Whoa that's deep.

Really cool video guys! I've always had problems trying to understand some of this awesome game lore. ❤👍

The only nit-pick I have in this vid was the "nearby portal" Kain used to exit the cavern. He just teleported. It's a power he has but not one we were ever able to use in game. To OP, I guess. Other then that, great vid.

@AbandonedVoid

5 жыл бұрын

You use his ability to teleport in Defiance with the Dimension Reaver.

@arx3516

4 жыл бұрын

Lore wise in Defiance Kain has all the powers and spells he acquired in Blood Omen 1, but in gameplay we can only use telekinesis and mist.

People often forget just how much magic Kain learned between Blood Omen and Soul Reaver 1. Yes he can teleport, he just doesn't do it often. The ability to teleport we see Kain use at the end of Defiance is the same teleportation Kain uses during the Soul Reaver 1 boss battles, he also uses it during the end battle and the same fight that takes place in the soul reaver 2 intro, where he puts his hands together and glows before fading out and re-appearing. It's unknown if this is some variation of mist form, or if it's just a short distance ability he sometimes uses instead of batform.

This series has many gnostic undertones. The Elder God is akin to the Demiurge of gnostic cosmogony.

@KluorpivhlanderP

5 жыл бұрын

YES! This thought came to my mind first when i heard that Elder God speech about him being the hub of the wheel blah blah blah, in one pf the song on Beyond the Veil channel, i typed the sentence on the google, and this game oped up l0l, so i watched the last boss cutscene of this game just for that speech, wow so many references to whats going on in general now with "reality"...

@KluorpivhlanderP

5 жыл бұрын

@Black Rabbit ​​Because this is really indeed heavy of symbolism of many sorts, i mean like almost every movie,book is full of them, especially art, video games, fairy tales, architecture of many sorts & the way it's build, etc... Not to mention a lot of this sort of stuff is encountered by people who works with Entheogens in general, meditation, one method or another to explore reality & themselves. Nature is full of them too, the way plants look, flowers etc, it doesn't mean all of this stuff is like 'evil', 'satanic' l0l or anything. Yeah some people, corporations, etc can use human creative to make something not that good, and push it, i mean propoganda of any sort, over-the-top mindless, uncreative, pro-war violent games, like CoD just to make money,etc. Best stuff comes from Indie developers (*speaking of games), regular people, even if game is not that good, the point is to express art,feelings on a deeper level. There are SoOoOoOo many interesting,weird,bizarre games,books,movies especialy that are underrated so much, with some much in them, like effort, art, symbolism, feelings, atmosphere that can trigger & remind one of something that is inexpressible, deeper on a soul level, game can be simple, look weird, but make a huge impact on someone, imprint it on you, hard to explain. But personally i come across some REALLY weird,surreal etc games,movies,anything, that for some reason just are so powerful, something on a deeper level, like it stays with you, nvm l0l 😂... i could give TONS of names,example of weird,lost games, movies, websites etc i scavenged from the net, indie or not, games or not, just let me know, i have some GOOD stuff, i promise, IT'S SOMETHING 😉. Just let me know, i can pm here on privately, it's up to you... In general stuff either resonates with you on some level, deeper or not, or it doesn't, even a simple word can bring something up from you, strong, emotional, mystical l0l... 😂 it's just interesting...

@AbandonedVoid

5 жыл бұрын

The original "Soul Reaver" game was intended to follow a fallen angel in a gnostic-inspired fantasy universe. That's why he's called Raziel and there are other on-the-nose references like Turiel and Dumah. Called "Shifter," it was then bought by the makers of LoK and reworked into their world.

@AbandonedVoid

5 жыл бұрын

The Abyss itself is a reference to Kabbalistic literature.

@philipchurch8772

5 жыл бұрын

@@AbandonedVoid the angel Raziel is similar to the angel Rezial who is an angel with intimate access to the most secret esoteric mysteries of God

The Elder God is one of Cthulhu’s relatives.

@labelledamedumanor4876

4 жыл бұрын

I think he IS Cthulhu. We are not told his name in any of the games he featured in.

@azuredragonofnether5433

3 жыл бұрын

He might be also Hermaeous Mora's brother.

I do love me some unfathomable abominations.

Please more videos on the world of Nosgoth!!! What about the Hildan?

It’s a shame the conclusion never came

The Elder God is basically a Lovecraftanian god who can talk and has a clear motivation. Also, Kain is not only a vampire king, he is the Scion of Balance, destined to "save Nosgoth", him being corrupted when he was born (the reason why he is basically a jerk) was the Elder God trying to prevent destiny; Kain was going to kill him, and free Nosgoth from the Wheel of Fate. By the end of Defiance, Raziel managed to purified Kain, not only did he armed Kain with the only weapon that could hurt the Elder God, but also made him someone more..."balanced"...the Kain at the end of Defiance is not the same asshole as in the rest of the series, I wont say he is a hero, but he finally became the "Savior of Nosgoth". For this reason I think Defiance did conclude the series, Raziel's story went full circle, and Kain was finally who was always destined to be...while it would have been cool to have another game where Kain finally killed the Elder God, it would have been a game without Raziel, and with Kain not acting..."like Kain", so I think Defiance said all that was needed to be said.

Thanks for clearing all that up great story

THANK YOU GUYS. a little more people understand that awakening draws near, and we already feel it since 2012

Hey guys are you able to do more Legacy of Kain videos - please do Kain the main anti hero of the series

" in the meantime you best burrow deep"

Great video!

Based on the behaviour of the possessed Hylden in Defiance, I'm pretty sure the ancients _and_ the Hylden actually worshipped the same god and it turned them against one another.

Finally, I understand his whole gimmick XD It's taken me a good while and several playthroughs of the series to understand the Elder God's plan REALLY was as simple as "hunger." I feel a little embarrassed ^^" Thanks guys!

Hey guys, can you do a lore video on the Legend of Legaia story?

I wasn't expecting you guys to be so knowledgable, I was expecting a pointless rambling... good surprise. It clears things up, which is what we need since the series can be confusing and inconsistent.

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

Glad to be a pleasant surprise. :) Thank you.

Design based around Yog-Sothoth from HP Lovecraft Mythos

@zekezzekekan2144

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I figured

LOVE this game series; epic story!!!

He's clearly Hermaeus Mora and Nosgoth is a realm within Nirn. The Dwemer and the Hylden live together in the same banishment naughty room.

I'm glad to see Legacy of Kain getting a lot of attention lately, perhaps we could see a continuation of the story. On the other hand, Defiance left it at a pretty good spot. Kain knew his enemy and finally had the means of effecting real - true - change. It is unfortunate the Elder God's backstory didn't get fleshed out more, but it didn't really need to be. Even in the original ending of Soul Reaver 1, audio files confirm that the Elder God would always have become a foe for Raziel. Any big Legacy of Kain fans should check out Strictly Fantasy here on YT for frankly the best LoK analysis I've ever seen.

@TrueMastersandMorons

3 жыл бұрын

Sadly based on everything released that we've been privy too it looks like the Legacy of Kain series will never again see the light of day. There was an awesome promo for the "next" game back in like 2012 but it was scrapped soon after the promo was released. Legacy of Kain: Dead sun if you wanted to read what little we know about what it could have been. :P

@daniell1483

3 жыл бұрын

@@TrueMastersandMorons Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I was aware of the Dead Sun project, but I admit I had some reservations about it. Introducing another secondary protagonist after Raziel and still not focusing on the conflict between Kain and the Elder God struck me as odd. Maybe it would have been a worthy successor, but clearly, somebody in the development team also had reservations that lead to its untimely demise. The LoK series has focused so much and such high-quality storytelling that I'd rather wait than be stuck with "that one game that screwed up the story" if that makes sense.

Did you do a lore video on Kain? 😍😍

Thank you!!!

Elder God's Eye is actually liken to the Infinity Symbol or the figure 8 which stands for Never Ending Time/ Infinity..... These games are so much Deeper than most know.

i'm surprised you didn't mention yog sothoth the inspiration for the elder god from legacy of kain and hermaeus mora from elder scrolls

@TrueMastersandMorons

6 жыл бұрын

In all honesty there are many old god type creatures we could have made references to but chose to just focus on the games and the Elder god himself. It's all cthulhian.

@godricducain8214

5 жыл бұрын

More details please

@Reacted1991

5 жыл бұрын

yog sothoth is an elder outer god in the hp lovecraft's cthulhu mythos. he's often depicted as a a shapeless mass of tentacles and eyes much like the elder god or hermaeus mora from elder scrolls is. basically he has the same boundaries or extent as space, time, yet he is supposedly locked outside of the universe we inhabit. the past, the present, and the future, are all one to yog sothoth. meaning he knows and see all of space time all at once, which means there is no secret hidden from Yog-Sothoth. witch is why it would make perfect sense for the elder god in the lok games, to know exactly who raziel is in the past during the events of soul reaver 2. despite never meeting him at that point in time, how he could easily carry on a conversation they had 1000 years in the future, 1000 years in the past like they just talked yesterday, because to the elder god the past, the present, and the future are all the same to him. basically the elder god sees past present future all at the same time, if that makes any sense to you. and that is a really basic overview of him, it's some real complex stuff and it makes you think. and it makes raziel's and kain's feat of getting the jump on the elder gog even more impressive. you could can read up more on yog sothoth in the novel Through the Gates of the Silver Key it's a good read, and as far as i know it's the only book i know of where the main character of the book actually directly talks to yog sothoth himself. all the other lovecraft books just mention or reference him. either that or you could just find a quick overview video on yog sothoth on youtube. but they don't fully describe how yog sothoth see's time as well as the book dose.

@godricducain8214

5 жыл бұрын

@@Reacted1991 that is some insightful #&"*# man lol and I totally comprehend the sure. I've been playing Lok sense I was 10 years old and it's STILL good. Still find details and hidden messages in it! I'll definitely check that out! I've always wanted more insight on elder god, while I have found that Raziel is based on the Archangel Raziel keeper of the secrets of god, and Kain reminds me of Solomon or Dragon. As for Yanos and the ancient vampires remind me of the winged people Annunaki

@Reacted1991

5 жыл бұрын

not to mention kain's fortress in soul revaer 1 is designed after the temple of solomon while the throne room is designed after the mosque of the dome of the rock in palestine the resemblance is uncanny without a shadow of a doubt they're designs are based on them i've done all kinds of research on these games too man and i'm still learning new thing about it but i never compared the ancient vampires to winged people Annunaki yet i never made that connection before looks like i need to look into that let me know about any other lok theories you mite have you mite also like too check out theboethianacolyte's channel he dose a lets play on soul reaver and talks about how boethius's consolation of philosophy coincides with soul reaver through out the whole lets play sure he recored the whole thing from his phone but it's still perty interesting stuff it should give you even more insight on soul reaver 1 i know it did for me

Thought that statue that was mentioned at the beginning looked more like a balet from Berserk more than it looked like the Elder God.

Please do more legacy of Kane videos pleeeeeeeese

Some Elder´s Scrolls lore will be great. Greetings from Argentina.

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

Anything specifically from Elder Scrolls you'd like to see? Also, we forgot to ask a few weeks back on your last request, anything specifically from Dark Souls?

Nice of you making a LOK series Recap... one of my favorite games in PS1 and PS2... i wish they'd finish it kain and raziel killed the elder god... but you got one thing wrong... 1. when mobius died and entered the spectral realm he didn't see the elder god either. when raziel stabs him with the purified reaver that's when he saw the elder god. 2. i think kain used his teleportation technique or maybe it was his necklace when he teleports it glows.

I would question the part of Kain's actions being that of Jealously but more like he acted the part knowing full well of what he seen from the Time Chamber which lead him to that choice defining the moments up to the point Kain needed it to reach :3 It likely angered him that he had to make that choice since it was part of the Time Chamber but he had a plan still even if it was a insane one at best, that being why Kain choose not to see Raziel being toss in :3 Personally i felt the stories was like this :3 The first Soul Reaver game the battle with Kain had a lot of different words being said and likely being for the reason to represent the view of Raziel's anger and thirst for revenge to the one who betrayed him to that state. The Second Soul Reaver game being Raziel opening view of things for the first time for what they truly are with the longing to understand why things became the way they are as well as seeing things in a far open view then he ever did in his time in the future as well as his time seeking revenge on all whom betrayed him :3

@angelmcfarland1189

4 жыл бұрын

Part of me thought maybe the Elder God and the leader of the Hylden was somehow related in some way like maybe the Leader of the Hylden fond one of Mobius' time machine then Gone so far back in time to destroy the race of Ancient vampires but instead died somehow but at the same time was likely trying to revive back which Kain stop by resurrecting the Pillars Of Nosgoth :3 The other possibility is the elder God controlled the Hylden Leader as it's the only way to explain why their voices match up from Blood Omen 2 game :3 Anyway i feel maybe Kain was the one who help Raised the Pillars because old paintings in the game depicted of those who raised the Pillars of one of them looks exactly like Kain in many features :3 So much is still unknown as i hope they make a new game someday soon as i want to see so many questions answered but sadly i feel it might not happen or at least may not happen with the same voice actors who gave life to the original story...

Top most complicated game storylines: Legacy of Kane series, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy X

Dude, I need more LOK lore.

Great vid more lore vids please

@TrueMastersandMorons

4 жыл бұрын

Anything in particular you'd like to see a video about?

@NotMattMurdock

4 жыл бұрын

@@TrueMastersandMorons this may be a bit difficult but a breakdown of the entire LOK timeline

Kain's actual last words to him were "In the meantime, you'd best bellow deep." www.nosgoth.net/defiance/dialogue/dialogue13.html Small error. Kain didn't use a nearby portal, he actually teleported himself to the exit of the chamber. Also, even though they look similar. I don't know if the spectral realm and the demon realm are entirely the same space.

@GameLoot

5 жыл бұрын

I think you meant "burrow" not "bellow" ;)

@AbandonedVoid

5 жыл бұрын

They aren't the same space. The Hylden were imprisoned in the Demon Realm, and the Demon Realm was shown to be separate from the Spectral Realm in Blood Omen. If the Hylden were in the spectral realm, we would have run into them sooner as Raziel. The Demon Realm also has a completely different stylization. While the Spectral Realm is teal, twisted, filled with ghosts and spirits; the Demon Realm is red, pulsating, empty, and it's implied that staying in it too long drives beings mad and contorts their bodies into demons. It was only accessible at the end of Defiance because of the events that released the Hylden, but the Spirit Realm has a more symbiotic relationship with the Material Realm.

The funny thing is Raziel is actually older than Kain Raziel was a Sarafan knight when Ariel was killed,as she died Kain was being born into the world.

Guys do you think there is a possibility to get more of the following Storys that got cancelled from the producers ?

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

Assuming you're talking about unfinished plans then... no? Not unless they release them out to the rest of us normies.

...I would like to see a video abaut industrial liquid coolant...

I have a theory that post Defiance, we were actually going to get a game or 2 which gave us a deep dive into the Hylden and their history/motivations. Towards the end of Defiance, I got a sense/vibe that the Hylden were actually the good guys (generally speaking). It seemed to me as though the Hylden had discovered the truth about the Elder God (ie: the fact that he was a parasitic sea creature that was draining the world of life) and sought to eradicate him. As a result they were cast out of Nosgoth to a parallel world by the Elder God (with the help of the vampires and humans, who themselves were unaware of the Elder God's true nature). It would also fit in with the narrative that Raziel was the Hylden champion as shown in the mural on the wall towards the end of Defiance. Remember: the only non wraith characters in the entire Legacy Of Kain series to have ever seen the Elder God for what he truly is were Moebius & Kain....after they were in contact with the purified Soul Reaver right at the end of Defiance (Moebius as Raziel killed him with the purified Reaver, and Kain as he held the newly purified Reaver at the end of Defiance) And prior to his realisation of what the Elder God truly was, Moebius blindly obeyed his commands and did his bidding. If you pay close attention, there was a point in Defiance where Kain was evesdropping on Moebius who was talking to the Elder God. But we never actually hear the Elder God's voice. We only see and hear Moebius responding to him. We were getting Kain's perspective in that scene. That was basically how everyone in Nosgoth knew the Elder God (ie: as this spiritual voice that only few were ever chosen to hear). And what I believe we were going to find out is that the Hylden saw and knew more than the other 2 races. As such, they got cast out. But they chose to curse the vampires with eternal life and bloodlust so that, on top of losing the Hylden lifeforce as a source of energy, the Elder God also lost the vampires as another source of energy (due to the fact that their existence was finite and never formed part of the Elder God's wheel of fate). I believe cursing the vampires was a strategic move by the Hylden. Not to spite the vampires, but actually a last ditch effort to weaken the Elder God. Obviously there were villains within the Hylden race (Sarafan Lord comes to mind), but I think overall, the role they were set to have played in the entire Legacy Of Kain story was that of a highly intelligent knowledgeable race. And they were the biggest threat to the Elder God. And ultimately, I think Kain was going to need to learn a few things from the Hylden to ultimately kill the Elder God once and for all, thus negating the need for the pillars altogether in the process (don't forget, the pillars were created to be used as a means to keep the Hylden out of Nosgoth). ALSO, remember the Seer in Blood Omen 2. She had Hylden heritage herself. That also adds to the theory that there were good guys in the Hylden race. Or at least potential characters that were not bound to their own race's triumph over the other 2 races, but who actually were more interested in the preservation of Nosgoth over the petty battles for control and domination.

@arx3516

4 жыл бұрын

There aren't really good guys in LoK, besides, by the time of Defiance the hylden were already twisted by their stayng in the demon dimension, wich it suspect is just the third layer of reality after the material and spectral realms. In Defiance, after his fight with Raziel, we find Kain in what seems to be the demon realms, wich looks like a twisted version of the pit in the Avernus catacombs, wich is the same way the spectral realm works.

Dead, I should think. I mean... It didn't happen onscreen, but one imagines that with a newly vengeful, furious and quite powerful Kain out to unmake it... Well... Nothing can burrow *that* deep.

The Elder God was nothing more than an ancient parasite, growing in strength by feasting on the luscious world of Nosgoth's souls., by using the Wheel of Fate. When the Hylden refused his decree, the angelic Ancient Vampires were told to wage war against their new enemies, prompting the rising of the Pillars, establishing their guardians, and banishing the Hylden to another realm. As sweet revenge against the Holy-Art-Thou and devoted servants to a giant squid, the Hylden cursed the Vampires, turning them into the fiends and parasites they are today. With sterility, a blood lust, and immortality, the ancients committed mass suicides in droves, hoping to hear their god again. Humans were seen as the good servants to purge the Vampires from the land. And when Kain refused to end the Vampires at the Pillars, the Elder God, furious, broke the Pillars, allowing the Hylden to return, so that the Wheel may churn again. Kain again, unknowingly, defied the Elder God by destroying the Mass and the Hylden Gate. The Elder God had one more card to play: Raziel. Hoping to turn him against his former master and destroy him by fueling vengeance. All these events occurred so that the Elder God can continue to feed. Because when Kain ruled Nosgoth, the land was desecrated; the Elder God was single-handily destroying Nosgoth by feeding on whatever remained.

The whole of the Skyrim expansion lifts a huge chunk of story from LoK

Here's a question - why is Raziel called a Soul Reaver which is also the same exact name as the sword? Couldnt the ED named him something else or did he call him that purposely?

@andreyandrov7810

4 жыл бұрын

It has a purpose - and it's a spoiler - so might as well dive into the story.

Best vampire story ever!!!

I thought he tossed Raziel into the abyss to prevent Raziel from becoming a Hydian, Kains mortal enemies.

Raziel was a lieutenant, not a general....sorry to be nitpicky

Both references in skyrim and legacy of kain , to that classic lovecraftian mythology of Yog-sothoth

Would love it if they remade Blood Omen 1 in 3 dimensions like,say,Skyrim.Bet it would sell really well.

Please make. More

@TrueMastersandMorons

5 жыл бұрын

Anything specific you want to hear about?

@jaymonius546

5 жыл бұрын

@@TrueMastersandMorons well I've always loved this series, gameplay wise it's lacking but the story in my opinion has always been it's main selling point and that story can be hard to piece together by yourself so ideally I'd like to hear about possible ending explanations or videos untangling the convoluted lore stuff like that

The only detail I might mention. Is as far as I am aware. It is unclear if the elder god. Convinced the vampires that he was a god, and the wheel of fate. Or if he simply pretended to be their god, and took advantage of them.

I like to think The elder God is another version of raziel since both of them can consume souls and they cannot consume their own soul which makes sense why raziel couldn't be destroyed or be consumed by him and also makes sense because they never stop evolving what happened in a different timeline where he kept on evolving evolving evolving until he became that and he was so sick and twisted that he became evil and somehow sent himself back to the first recorded history of nozgov

Honestly, it's equally likely that he's the wheel or merely an entity that lives from it's turning. We know he derives nourishment from the turn of souls but it doesn't prove either of the two. We also don't know if the wheel is as important as its believed. We only have the words of the Elder God and his faithful as proof.

@andrewpliakis

6 жыл бұрын

As for the purifications, I think it's likely that he was purified in the sense that Raziel was purified. Free from the shackles of fate, free will, all that jazz.

@TrueMastersandMorons

6 жыл бұрын

I think based on the conversations that Raziel and Kain have about him (and the fact that the elder god simply cares about eating and sating his hunger not actually continuing the wheel and rebirth etc.) that he is indeed just a parasite. Sadly I don't think we'll ever know for sure though. :( It's possible. And we certainly like that idea.

@andrewpliakis

6 жыл бұрын

Thing is, in-universe explanations from characters are to always be taken with a grain of salt. These conversations could very well be their own opinions. Let's not forget that up until Defiance Kain couldn't even percieve him. Honestly, the more I think of it the more I lean on the Elder God being the hub of the wheel or the wheel itself. If he was something that merely derived nourishment on the turns of the wheel, why would he care about the vampires? The wheel turns through the Humans and due to Raziel's actions they may grow numerous once again. If he wasn't a hub of some sort he wouldn't have taken such an affront to the cursed immortal vampires.

@psykikninja

5 жыл бұрын

@@TrueMastersandMorons ''All the conflict and the strife throughout history, all the fear and hatred, served but one purpose-to keep my master’s Wheel turning. All souls were prisoners, trapped in the pointless round of existence, leading distracted, blunted lives until death returned them-always in ignorance-to the Wheel.'' - Raziel. this quote implies that the wheel is the elder gods manifestation.

Plottwist: the Elder God is raziel from the "side of the coin"-Szenario and experienced a horrible time so he wants to stop that timeline from happening.

loved the LoK series, still holding hope they will make the 6th in my life time, nosgoth the mmo sucked and i told them it would fail as a pure PvP PoS lol, the lore behind it was nice, but not explored in the game had to go to the website to get it. plus it was pay to win which they promised it wouldnt be haha. great vid thanks

@mr.chaosvicious5968

4 жыл бұрын

They were SUPPOSED to make another one called "Dead Sun," but they scrapped it with NO plans to resume development on it apparently....😑

The elder God didn't create Raziel, Raziel always existed

The blade was always called the Soulreaver, not just after Raziel's sacrifice

@TrueMastersandMorons

3 жыл бұрын

So yes and no. It was called the "Soul Reaver" when Kain first found it but when it shattered on Raziel and Raziel obtained his Wraith Blade the two became different entities the soul powers belonging to the Wraith blade. Were as the now shattered (later re-forged and even later reunited with the wraith blade) physical blade that was once known as "Soul Reaver" came to be known simply as "Reaver" loosing it's fabled ability to drain the souls of it's enemies and gaining the ability to drain blood from victims. As such it is not until their full reunion at the end of "Legacy of Kain Defiance" that the blade regains it's full power and right full name of "Soul Reaver" So while it was technically called Soul Reaver when you first find it in Blood Omen 1. From a very early point in "Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver" 1 to the end of Defiance the blade would simply be known as "Reaver". :)

Oh how I'd love to have another game. But alas, I fear for the realm of sanity and space-time that yet another time-incursion and paradox could break the existence of it all.

You have to look at Elder God in a different perspective, its natural duty is keeping Reincarnation Chamber of Nosgoth safe, how? Elder God doesnt feed on souls, its feed on Soul's Memories, its energy collected when it was alive he devour this and release soul totally cleaned by memories and turn it to a new so it can reborn when the time's come, Elder God is not a bad entity from its point of view everything he represents in Nosgoth went out of window, land started to decay, souls are in distress and nothing's dying and worse they cant reborn, he does what everybody in this situation could, he try to fix things, When Hylden start to find immortality it was the first time he acted, he tricked vampires to eliminate them so they all can die their soul will be purified and they will reborn but things didnt go as intended, entire Hylden race exiled immortalized, Vampires became cursed and immortal too, dead start to be a concept of rarity and Noshoth's balance duty left to a only Race that still capable to die, Humans, but humans never meant to keep balance unlike Vampires or Hylden they were part of it not to uphold it, Power Corrupted them but to Elder God this mortal concepts not important for him Humans can die and can kill for the cause, When Kain became a Sion of Balance but went immortal his plan ruined because he cant control Sion and balance once again fell into Mortals who dont know what it really is, to a mortal, Elder God is a Horrible Being, it devours you, strip you from your personality and make you gone forever but in Elder God's perspective, it release you from your past misery, negativity, fears and give you a new chance, a new life to go on. Old Vampires knew this, that was the reason they worshipped it but everything twisted by Hyldens and the old ways forgotten. You play a game from a eyes of mortals this is the reason for us Elder God is the main antagonist of the series.

He reminds me of the old gods from world of warcraft.

The elder god is more like a more spectral version of the brethren moons from dead space. They both are planet sized lovecraftian tentacle eye monsters that manipulate things behind the scenes and feed on death. Just the moons fees on flesh not souls.

Kainn threw raziel into the lake of the dead because he was supposed too not because of jealousy. He'd already seen the events that would take place. If you look at his face in the opening cutscene of Soul Reaver there is no malice in what he's doing. Only his resignation that he is still tied to his fate.

@wayakawani6982

4 жыл бұрын

Kain must have seen something in the chronoplast chamber, the same as Raziel at the end of Soul Reaver 1, probably witnessed a few of the same images. Kain knew the Soul Reaver would shatter upon Raziel, so he had to know Raziel would return.

My head cannon for the Elder God is that he's a cosmic parasite going from planet to planet and sucking it all dry of life over the course of hundreds of thousands of years.

One more thing The Elder God is voiced by Tony Jay (RiP)

@TrueMastersandMorons

4 жыл бұрын

RIP for sure

Again wrong: the timelines transpiring would be only 2 . It's claimed the previous one has already occurred which has, but due to Kain enlightened himself to learning of, he immediately was capable of changing the timeline just enough correct the omitted original timeline where Kain becomes a hero by creating 2 paradoxes and finding out both the true nature of the soul reaver. Because you see, the ancient vampires knew about the changing timelines even before Mobius changes them and knew that the hero would fail the first time and then by that timeline passing, does the hero truly win. This means that at least the predictors of the timeline had to see that someone or something was manipulating these events and the Soul Reaver was designed to entrap Raziel to power the reaver to destroy their God.

The wheel of fate must turn

The elder god is literally the Mara from Buddhism.

I thought the game said, the hylden are the ones who poisoned the world not Kains action

@TrueMastersandMorons

4 жыл бұрын

That was long before Kain's time. The hylden did crap forever ago that made the pillars required to keep them out. Then Kain refused to sacrifice himself and as a result corrupted the world with his selfishness.

He's real, I met him personally. Only thing is there are few of them around the world deep beneath the surface, near the planets core which warms them to live

The Hylden are kinda immortal themselves, right? So bringing them in wouldn't help that much - you definitely wouldn't want them propagating anyway. The Elder God could well be fucked. Although this new timeline would've been interesting. Effectively, the Elder God has no plans for this situation that has come to transpire, so whatever plans he comes up with have to start from scratch, now that the guaranteed victory he expected is suddenly gone.

He is the hub of the wheel of fate, duhhhhh

The elder god is kind of lovecraftian like the old ones

and what benefit have they on successfully destroying the elder god? the hilden has the upper hand on his demise. the hilden still lives in that winged vampire avatar with the black heart raziel hath installed

If the ancient's never worshipped elder god they might not have went to war with the hylden. But since they did go to war because the ancient's tried to force their religion upon the hylden they rejected it and started the war sending the hylden into the demon dimension and cursing the ancient's with the blood curse and the existence of vampire's caused the sarafan to form to annihilate the vampire's. The elder god is truly behind all of nosgoth's suffering.

@3:50 He dosen't wear boots

you put subtitles in Spanish for

So in the end of it all Kain would bring balance to the world.

I have a question that has been bugging me for some years: How did Kain come back to life after Raziel tore his heart out in Defiance?

@loading...............

4 жыл бұрын

I read somewhere that his role as Balance Guardian sustained him.

@agsiar

4 жыл бұрын

@@loading............... That much I suspected, but it still feels like the writer just brought him back to life just because, giving no real explanation. In other words, how did Kain's status as the scion of balance play into him dying then reviving seemingly entirely on his own?

@RedFloyd469

4 жыл бұрын

@@agsiar It could be that Kain's lifeforce is entirely independent from the heart that Raziel tore out. Remember, the heart was the heart of darkness, or Janos' heart, which was still beating when Raziel placed it back into Janos' body. So either: Kain's life is not bound to the heart, or the fact that the heart is still beating causes Kain to live on as well. It's also unclear whether Raziel truly "killed" Kain. When raziel tears out the heart, he then pushes Kain backwards into some sort of portal, telling him to go to oblivion. No doubt Raziel meant to kill Kain, and we haven't seen any vampires magically disappearing into portals upon death, so what exactly is up with that? I think Kain was pushed into the demon realm, considering the dialogue of the creatures he fights when kain wakes up. The only question is: how did that happen exactly? Did Raziel have some sort of power, much like the original vampires, that allowed him to push people into the demon realm?

@shavoidpatrick1602

4 жыл бұрын

Because just having been reborn into a vampire using the heart of darkness that was never really his made him sorta imortal

@agsiar

4 жыл бұрын

@@shavoidpatrick1602 that may be it, but when was that stated?

If the Vampires were immortal, how did they kill themselves to escape the curse?

@slightlytwistedagain

5 жыл бұрын

As of now I think their souls become those near mindless Sluagh spectre much like how Raziel becomes a spectre. The term immortal in this universe appears to mean your soul is denied being processed through the wheel of fate. Being a near mindless spectre wandering the spectral realm is probably the only option for the ancient vampires to get some form of rest from the tormenting thirst. As the Elder God points out, there are fates worse than death so I imagine a lot of the ancient vampires were going insane because of it. On the other hand some vampires like Vorador see immortality and the thirst as a blessing and in retrospect the great war between the ancient vampires and the Hylden only happened because the Hylden rejected the Elder God's Wheel of Fate meaning that the Hylden desired detaching themselves from mortal life so at this point could you call it a curse.

@Teixas666

4 жыл бұрын

immortal =/= invulnerable when the curse afficlted the ancient vampires most of them realized that this excluded them from the wheel, and theiur unkown deity the Elder God turned silent for them. They could not bear this(after all a genocidal war was started out of their belief in the Wheel) and took their own lifes in hopes of being returned otthe wheel(thsi arguably did not work)

@irishdc9523

4 жыл бұрын

In this context, immortality meant the Vampires couldn't age and naturally die, leaving their souls stuck in their bodies. They could still be killed through unnatural means (like stabbing), but combined with them being cursed with sterility, they couldn't rebuild their race.

Kain can just teleport. He didn’t use a “near by portal”. This video is the reason casuals shouldn’t do more videos about a series they barely know

I was born in the '80s and I will admit your theories are all good some people just like to talk and say nothing but bull crap but honestly it's sad to see that one of my favorite childhood games is being canceled delayed or not enough beta testing only because two of the voice actors passed away already it's a shame cuz I wanted to become a game designer and finish the game or at least create part of it now I will never get closure since I have all the games except for the nosql shooting game arena thing that one was more of a disappointment

What if the elder god was real and slowly driving everyone crazy invading their subconscious. He's very leviathon-esque/yog sothoth-ish

Raziel was Kains lieutenant not general.

I know 4 game's themselves 2 ps1games the first being the legacy of kain himself the other soul reaver 1 on ps2 system's 3 I know were made blood omen 2 the soul reaver 2 and defiance Wich included both kain and raziel together as a team effort to destroy the elder God I'm not sure about the others I only played these game's themselves all but blood omen 2 do I now own myself and the first blood omen on ps1

Raziel is a Hylden, not a vampire.

@mr.chaosvicious5968

4 жыл бұрын

Wait,do what? No,he isn't a Hylden! Raziel was originally a human Sarafan warrior priest. Before being killed by his very own future self in combat. And then sometime after his human death,he was resurrected as a vampire by Kain. Before ultimately becoming a wraith after he was sentenced to death by Kain.

Of you zoom out the eye of the elder god you gonna see half face you know