It will just click eventually and you will have an awesome time in the Hind.

In case anyone’s missed it, or is wondering who the hell I am after changing the channel art 😅 I’m in the process of rebranding. Profile image has already been updated, commissioned work from a channel member: Agi.exe Thanks again man - if anyone’s looking for some commissioned artwork you can find him on my discord linked in the description 👍🏼 Next on the list is the outro/channel profile banner, currently it’s a Javelin, looking to change it to better reflect the content. Which aircraft do you most associate with the channel? Oh and please pick apart any mistakes I made flying this thing in the video, I hadn’t looked at tutorials or anything, went in completely blind so I’m sure there are tips and tricks to make it easier.

@shinobi61

7 ай бұрын

I think one red and one blue jet for a banner I think a4 and mig19 when I think of the channel )

@lucasZr113

7 ай бұрын

Either the mig 21 or an f-5/A-4

@theblitz8798

7 ай бұрын

Instruments in terms of importance. Critical: Vertical Speed Indicator Essential: Airspeed indicator Important: Compass Optional: Altimeter Discretionary: Everything else

You got into VRS (vortex ring stall) when you descend more than 5m/s (look at the indicator next to your main azimuth indicator), so you can hover and you can descend in a hover, just not very fast. And when you travel at over 50km/h horizontal true speed you are also generally safe from VRS. Actually what you experienced there was a loss of translational lift (if you lose airspeed your rotor produces significant less lift [especially bad in the hind when going from 100km/h to 0km/h range]) followed by vrs, you can especially see this because at first increasing collective helped a bit but when you entered VRS high collective made you fall like a brick (in VRS the higher the collective is set the faster you fall [generally]). Yes in the hind it is preferable to slow down slowly, almost like an aircraft, in order to enter a hover, you can do a fast pitch up maneuver with perfect collective control but its super dangerous and you are sure to cut the power for a bit until the rotor gets its rpm back as well as it being very hard to pull off. 8:15 you already used max rudder to counter the rotor. 8:38 you did not, you never went bellow 5m/s vertical descend speed. 8:59 those are your autopilot channels. 9:45 you generally else want to first enter a hover, then slowly touch down, or land like an aircraft would but at higher speeds and on flat terrain. 11:33 without brakes you can still pull the stick towards you to slow down but with not too much collective to not get back up in the air. 13:35 if you look at irl footage many helis, especially hinds, land, takeoff and taxi like an aircraft would because its safer and allows for heavier payload. You did very very well for your first time tbh.

Nicely done, you have the basic understanding down. Vortex ring state occurs when you're falling too fast through your own downwash. You don't want to have a vertical speed too high if your forward airspeed is low. Ideally, you want to descend and slow down at the same time until you come into a ground effect hover just above the ground. Its doable, the hind and hip are the "hardest" to nail that perfect arrival into IGE hover without slipping into VRS. The apache, i find, has been one of the easiest to learn in that regard. completely different era, and her rotor spins the otherway, so she'll need opposite pedal to the hind. By no means an expert, just trying to give a little advice. Can't wait to see the next hind video (she's one of my favourites)

Great that you give the hind a try. It’s beautiful and pretty deadly in a team. Very entertaining seeing you fly - makes me think back when I started. 👍😊

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I discovered your channel yesterday whilst browsing for tutorials, great production quality 👌🏼

@helldivermando

7 ай бұрын

thanks, much appreciated. yeah I discovered your channel recently as well and especially your sorties are cool to watch :)@@Bullet4MyEnemy

Fair play learning Helis in the Hind, I cut my teeth on the Huey, and it handles like a toy helicopter compared to the Hind! Looking forward to more chopper content on the channel!

Honestly, that went a lot better than my first attempt! :D I started out the other way around; on the ground, with cold start and hover checks. Went about as well as you'd expect it to! :D Just in case no one mentioned it, on your landings: Without knowing it, you went with hard mode by choosing to put it down on a road. Those are quite narrow and you consistently put the left wheel out on the grass, which is notoriously grabby/draggy. That's what caught your wheel so hard and caused you to tip over. Would have been less problematic, if you had come down vertical, but the forward momentum aggravated the problem.

Basically the component you're missing from the VRS issue is descent rate at low speed/when not in ground effect. Anything more than 5/s descent below 50kph is super dangerous. This can also be exacerbated by flight regime, in the first one I think the problem was also that you were at such an angle that it meant the downwards component of your lift was less than it otherwise would be at that speed. Great vid!

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Thanks, I have since watched a few tutorials and the descent rate thing was one of the first nuggets of info that really helped. Also understanding that instrument that helps you dial things into a hover, had no idea what it was before. Struggle now is that I find it really difficult to keep tabs on both the instruments and my actual orientation based on references outside the cockpit, feels like a limitation of the sim, I bet it’s easier in VR.

@Llyd_ApDicta

7 ай бұрын

@@Bullet4MyEnemy The problem here is also that you cannot increase collective too quickly since your engine governor will have to compensate the increased resistance of the rotor blades with more engine power and that can lead to a generator shutdown - you will learn to hate Olga exclaiming "[Atgasall Generator]" (or something along those lines). This will lead to your autopilots shutting off which makes flying this monster even more difficult. One of your most important instruments is therefore your rotor blade AoA indicator on the left next to your radar altimeter.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

@@Llyd_ApDicta This is good to know, there have been a few times where I’ve dialled up the collective to save a particularly aggressive turn and had my gunsight turn off; clearly forced the rpm too low and I’m guessing it needs to stay above a certain level to run the systems properly.

@Llyd_ApDicta

7 ай бұрын

@@Bullet4MyEnemy Indeed. There is an engine power "ladder" instrument in the middle of the console right under your heading indicator and to the right of your engine RPM. Essentially try to keep the yellow indicator under the "N" (*N*ominal Power) and definitely do not go over the "T" (*T*akeoff Power). I usually just avoid going over 13.5orso degrees blade AoA so that I only have to keep eyes on one instrument.

Some tips for the Mi-24, be smooth with every input, especially rudder/anti-torque and collective. Gotta be way less aggressive on the pedals... The tail can snap off if there is excess pedal input, so the aircraft has a built in system that prevents that (lit up by an orange light on the left panel, you can see it light up at 2:39) Some times that system can change the trim of your pedals if triggered, which can be a huge (or at least very annoying) problem if you don't have the rudder trim option enabled in settings. So because of that i highly recommend mapping trim reset. Its also a helpful bind after landing. VRS and settle with power: Settle with power is when you're asking for to much out of the engines, resulting in the rotors slowing down, characterized by the helicopter slowly beginning to spin and losing lift. again, when you're smooth on the controls when slowing down or hovering you minimize the chance of settling with power (low rotor RPM). Anticipate your movements well in advance when slowing down, and when slowing to lower speeds you've got to watch your vertical speed and keep it at a minimum. Decreasing collective is the solution the only way out of it, unless you're about to slam the ground, then increase it fully to hopefully soften the impact with your remaining rotor energy. VRS: Shaking and buffeting is normal when transitioning to a hover, Its due to turbulent air from the rotors when transitioning to slow flight, so don't let it catch you of guard as VRS every time. VRS happens when you increase the amount of turbulent air by descending through it. An example of getting out of VRS for the Mi-24 and Mi-8 because of their rotor design, would be side stepping to the left while slightly increasing collective. The main trick to avoid VRS is not descending while slowing down and in a hover. (you obviously can, as its would be impossible to land without descending in a hover, but you get what i mean. VRS is very hard to encounter an any speed above hover speeds, so don't be overly afraid of it. Trim it, helicopters require trimming every time you change speed, some people have a hard time understanding heli trimming when coming from fixed wing, so best tip there is to completely disassociate them with each other. Think of heli trimming as resetting your stick, when you press trim, your current stick position becomes center. Its crucial for any big regime changes. You also have a normal fixed wing trim hat, that's nice to have for fine adjusting trim at cruise Last is weight, you'll have a much higher chance of settling with power when heavy. I'd recommend having quite light weapon and fuel loads at the beginning, otherwise you'd have to be VERY careful at slow speeds, even taking of might send you spinning into the ground. Once you master it you'd be able to quite easily takeoff overweight, and even land. You just need a small takeoff and landing roll. Those pylon wings provide a lot more lift than people expect, even at slow speeds. Edit: Also keep in mind that the tail rotor can in some cases get caught in a sort of blind spot of turbulence and lose effectiveness, so pay attention to wind direction at slower speeds. Edit 2: to avoid toppling over on landing you got to decrease collective, and get the gear to do the heavy lifting. If you're about to topple over, increase collective quickly and regain control.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Awesome write up, thanks for taking the time to put this advice together 👌🏼

Welcome to the hind. DCS is also my first helicopter experience. Your biggest challenges will be landing with your second biggest being taking off. Once you get it up to speed it feels a lot more like a light aircraft. Hover landings are possible but need a lot of patience. Best to land it like a plane. If you get frustrated, get the Gazelle or Huey that have much less savage VRS. If there's one instrument to use, it's the vertical speed indicator. Good luck.

I was about to comment that this is an awesome looking skin and ask where I can get it... than the Hind descended towards the bridge and I realized how fucking awesome DCS can look at times.

HAHA good stuff man! VRS in the Huey kills me more often than the enemy!! :P

Cant wait for more Hind content on the channel! Really cool to see you figuring it out :) Ka50 on Tempest can also be a lot of fun but Hind on ECW is perfection.

I'm sure you figured this out, but the rotor torque (Why the helicopter naturally banks or turns) Will pull the helicopter the opposite way the blades are turning, so French and Russian Helicopters will bank left (Rotor spins clockwise), Basically every other helicopter will bank right (Rotor spins counter clockwise) I believe you can trim out some of the rotation, for forward flight and for landing as well.

Getting into helis? Nice. I was scared of the Hind so went for the Shark. What a beauty that helis is. Give it a shot if you're into more modern ones.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I was put off it by the auto-pilot-y nature of it, kinda wanted a true heli experience complete with control struggles Plus the versatility of the Hind seemed like I was getting more bang for my buck - doubles as a transport helo so more to it than just shooting stuff, and it even gets R-60s for self defence which sounds pretty handy for ECW, edging it ahead of the Huey or HIP as a first pick. KA-50 does look sweet though, but I can’t shake the cancer PTSD feeling it’s given me from my time in WarThunder 😅

Welcome to the Helo that thinks it's a jet... Cool, that you get into helos, I learned in the huey, switched to the Hind and it is a blast! I once read it was designed to delete tank columns and whole Infantry companies at 300kph in one sortie, so that comes at the cost of landing capabilities as it is not a transport helo that yould be easy to land anytime.....😅 See you on Enigmas

My first Heli was the Blackshark. Handles like a UFO at times. Honestly made me respect heli pilots more, so much less room for error.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I heard the contra-rotating prop set up simplifies it quite a bit, from what I’ve heard from other people it relies a lot on autopilot stuff since there’s only one crew member? Call me mental but I actually wanted something that would be a handful to control, if I don’t feel like I’m wrestling a crocodile I don’t feel like I’ve got my money’s worth once I’ve mastered it 😅

@NovaTrap1312

7 ай бұрын

@@Bullet4MyEnemy Both are rly cool but the Hind feels nicer to fly, the Ka50 can just power through vrs on the other hand. Hover in the Hind is an art, in the Ka50 its a single button press and boom, perfect hover. Very cool to see your first ever helo experience! I always envy you when you dogfight in the 21 because I cant do it for the life of me, so its nice to see confirmation that you arent some kind of übermensch :D

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Haha 😂 Give me time - I thought I still did fairly well for my first half hour

@user-jt7zp8vv9i

7 ай бұрын

I can assure you that the Ka 50 is more than a handful to control, especially if you don't know how the autopilot and trim works. Imagine the helicopter pitching up 60 degrees as soon as you reset the trim. If you're looking for a challenge, then it can be one.@@Bullet4MyEnemy

I did not read through the comments, but helicopters are like opposite of what your intuition tells you lol. You start losing speed or falling to the ground, hmm must need to increase the collective right? No not really, usually the way to get out of stalls is by bringing the collective down to increase rotor rpm to a stable, or faster state then when you were stalling! Then you will get more lift and be able to start slowly increasing your collective! Its odd because you really have to pay attention to your gauge (or sound) for your rpm and once you hear it spool down (lose rpm) you will want to increase it by decreasing your pitch of the blades (basically decrease collective). Its super easy to see this in the apache as you have a HUD for your rpm, but basically as long as your rotor rpm is happy, your helicopter is happy! :D I have flown hundreds if not thousands of hours in helicopters in sims so if you have any questions feel free to ask, and happy flying man!

@Gperalta

7 ай бұрын

Also similar to planes, just imagine you are surfing on the air by beating it up lol, it makes sense to me but heli's beat the shit out of the air compared to props. You'll get it, i believe!

The first crash at 3 mins, you lost airspeed and therefore translational lift, you were correct to initially decrease collective but as your airspeed decreases, and you lose forward airspeed, you will have to increase collective again, and more than you'd need to in forward flight, to not fall into Vortex Ring State (VRS) as you did. Recovering from VRS at the altitude you were at is usually not possible, and increasing collective makes it worse, as the rotors blades are effectively stalled in their own downwash already, so increasing AoA makes it worse. To get out of VRS, (with sufficient altitude) reduce collective, nose down and dive for airspeed. Hope this helps. Huey is my favourite heli :)

@rossfthurston

6 ай бұрын

What causes you to go into VRS is too high a descent rate, as a rule of thumb, try not to descend faster than 100fpm per every 10 knots. The heavier the helicopter, the more they will bite you if you go out of thei flght envelope too and the more inertia they have, so changing direction and arresting descents takes longer.

''flying jets is straight forward'' no pun intended? 😂

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Haha damn, missed opportunity 😅

After flying the Hind exclusively for a while, a couple of things to help you. Never pull up more than 30 degrees, never descend to land at slow speed faster than 2 meters per second descent. Also in the axis commands, set your cyclic to 50/60 percent in the saturation and get rid of any curves. This helps if you don't have a huge long extended stick lik the real helicopter.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

That’s pretty smart using saturation to artificially adjust stick length, will give it a go

@NorthernGrim

7 ай бұрын

Yeah when I was in a group in the Black Shark Den, a task was hover at 5 meters, do 90 degree turns whilst maintaining a hover etc. then a 180 turn and stay on the spot. The saturation change made it so much easier! And you'll never be using 100% of the cyclic anyway so it really helps!@@Bullet4MyEnemy

Not bad at all for your first time! 😀 I’m not an expert but my experience has been more than VRS the weight of the hind is what got you. She’s a big girl and something like 25% of her lift comes from the wings when moving, so you have to stay ahead of the aircraft with the power much like the MiG’s on landing. Also when you were trying to turn right and the nose didn’t move it’s because of the SAS/AP system the hind has (which is the indicator at the top right corner of your screen). That system tries to help the pilot by trimming the pedals, and leaves you with what feels like a dead pedal. Bind the trimmer reset to fix the problem😉

Turning in the hind is like turning in a motorcycle, the pedals are your handle bars and your cyclic roll is like leaning. Always roll and then yaw, and at high speeds try to aim for left hand turns only. As long as you keep your descent rate at less than 5m/s (shown on the dial at the top left corner of the moving map) you wont VRS. I recommend turning off rudder trim and using center position trim for the stick, but the trim hat is your friend for long flights.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Liking the motorbike analogy, really nice visual representation

When you were making your first landing attempts, the ground on either side of the road was sloped. I think that might have contributed to the tipping issue on your first otherwise successful landings.

nice wake n bake a cup of coffe and a good video to watch thanks good sir!

I have many hours in the hind and am pretty comfortable with flying it but I still struggle to land it smoothly. Keep at it!

The Hind is very docile to fly, also has a fair amount of autopilot help. You can really feel its weight when descending, though (as you've experienced with VRS). If you want some different experiences / ideas: # Huey is very raw, but it's a pleasure to fly. # Mi-8, the objectively best helicopter to fly. I don't know why. It's heavy, and VRS is quite the hazard.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

The HIP was nearly my first pick but I don’t think it gets ATGMs and I know it doesn’t get air to air missiles for self defence so the versatility of the Hind is what put it ahead.

I picked up the Huey as my first heli and it all clicked pretty quickly. I picked up the KA50 and the apache after that and it was an easy transition. The Hind is my latest heli acquisition and getting it on and off the ground in flyable condition is still a real challenge.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

At least starting with the hardest means I shouldn’t struggle moving to the others afterwards 😅

@DaveyCooter

7 ай бұрын

@Bullet4MyEnemy very optimistic view!

I would really recommend to learn helicopters in the UH-1. The Hind has so many assist systems, so you will never really learn to counter the different inputs you talked about in the start of the video.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I’m feeling a need to counter torque etc just fine. This advice sounds like when someone tells you to try a meal that contains an ingredient you don’t like, but they love, by saying “you won’t even taste it” Right, because you wouldn’t notice it because it doesn’t ruin the meal for you lol. Except my meal is heli basics and you’re more accustomed to them generally - they’re assist systems, not removal of physics systems. Maybe you feel like they assist too much because you’ve flown without them; but I’m definitely feeling what they don’t assist with lol. “Never really learn to counter the different inputs” Bit ridiculous to say that, don’t you think? Maybe you just dislike the Hind for some reason?

@patrikstrandquist1875

7 ай бұрын

@@Bullet4MyEnemy that is a long answer to a short comment. I stick by with learning the basics, before using something with assist systems. Check any training aircraft, you always start with the basics in a simple platform. Dont bite the hand that tries to help you.

Its always funny watching dcs fix winger flying rotary for the first time 🤣

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Felt like I’d been plonked into a new module (familiar, done it before, know what I’m in for), after encountering an angry wizard and being turned into an octopus (whatthefuck9000)… 😅

through a tight turn like that, you actually want to ADD collective and let that pull the nose through the turn, rather than hauling back on the cyclic. Roll into the turn to whatever bank angle you need, and pull collective in to keep from descending. The nose-up moment that you gain from adding collective will pull you through the turn without needing to haul on the stick. Applying too much aft cyclic in a steep turn will have you tokyo-drifting into you own wake which, as you saw, is not desirable.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I was trying not to gain altitude through the turn so the collective drop was to account for the rise from tilting the rotor up to slow ahead of the turn so I didn’t overshoot the hook of the beach. Just mistimed the increase in collective and left it too late, wasn’t aware of the VRS conditions at the time - my logic was sound I just didn’t have the heli’s flight parameters accounted for yet.

next month i buy myself some proper rudders i rly wanna try helicopters and the Hind just seems to be so much fun.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I have a shitty set of Thrustmaster pedals, did intend to get the pricy TPRs ahead of getting into helis but honestly I’m finding the cheap ones alright so far.

@kicy2

7 ай бұрын

I will start with those shitty Thrustmaster pedals, the T16000 Throttle is with me for the last 600hours and it only needed one repair so far :) pricey stuff comes later, my joystick is the highest quality of my whole setup. @@Bullet4MyEnemy

We are out of missiles 🤣 Im not a rotor head, but helicopters change the game of DCS for me. I'm looking forward to this journey

You don't hover in the HInd. It's really difficult to do. I also tend to land via rolling landings rather than hover land. Also, helps to put your landing gear down :P When you add in collective it takes more rudder to correct, you were adding so much collective and thats why you were spinning/rolling, you need to drop the collective to stop the spin. Also, the best amount of collective is around 11 on the dial, you need a bit extra room in case you suddenly need more power for some reason.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Everyone keeps telling me you don’t hover in the Hind; it’s why I included the IRL footage at the start lol. Evidence it can be done! I am determined to master it, even if it’s a royal pain in the arse 😅

@NuclearFalcon146

7 ай бұрын

Hind certainly does hover, proof of such is in the video of an actual Hind being piloted by someone who can make it hover like an absolute boss. That said the general advice is sound and it is better to not operate the DCS Hind in a hover until your skills get more advanced.

@SuperEvilMonkee

7 ай бұрын

Oh it can be done absolutely, it's just a pain.

@SuperEvilMonkee

7 ай бұрын

Wait till you try the Hip if you think the Hind is fun. The Hip is the best module in DCS

@NuclearFalcon146

7 ай бұрын

@@SuperEvilMonkee I have a funny story for the Hip. First time I flew it I managed to clumsily hover around the tarmac, hit a pole, then plopped onto the ground. I did not explode. I managed to take off and land without dying on my first try and thus mission failed successfully. XD

The Hind sure is fun to fly, but like all helicopters can be quite unforgiving at times, especially landing if you rush it

Gr8 video m8, hope we can do some large helo ops in ecw )

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I’ve been putting them off for a while because I wanted to get an actual collective controller first rather than just using a throttle… But the draw was too great, especially with Enigma hinting at some helo events coming up.

Love to see it

collective? there is this coll readout in war thunder but it seems to be the throttle, i find that strange as there's already a thr readout for planes and tanks, so is it something spacific or just throttle

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Throttle is the speed of the rotor, collective is the angle the blades catch the air. You don’t make it spin quicker to go up, you increase the angle of the blades relative to their plane of motion. Like dropping flaps on a plane’s wing.

I have never seen the rear cockpit 😸

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

You play exclusively as the gunner? How do you control the sight? I find it ridiculously difficult to be precise

Not a fan because Petrovich is unreliable compared to George and the thing just flies weird. Prefer the ka50 it flies like a fbw system and the weapons are straightforward and easy to implement. By weird I mean it just wants to stay level and it fights you when you try to roll or pitch.

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

I tried the guided missile tutorial and there’s a portion where you’re shown how to command Petrovich as both gunner and pilot… I’m guessing the tutorial is broken or something because he couldn’t find ANYTHING from 5km when the mission gets you to command him from active pause. Then when you command him as the pilot into a hover, he got into one but then forgot yaw was a thing and we just sat there happily spinning around at Mach Jesus lol. Had to quit the tutorial because I couldn’t make him stop.

You know you can turn off this annoying RWR beeping using switch on the left panel, don't you?

@Bullet4MyEnemy

7 ай бұрын

Oh yeah of course. Thought I’d just leave it on to annoy you in particular 🤔 lol At the end of this I’d spent accumulatively less than 30 minutes in the cockpit, can’t say the RWR switch was high on my priority list.

To be fair: The Hind is relatively easy to fly for a helicopter. :) I really enjoy it.