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Tobiah we need a bonus video on that Down-bow staccato, sounds awesome.

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

haha, well, much like people that have a natural up-bow staccato, I probably wouldn't be that good at teaching it. However, I'm sure you could reverse the same steps I used for upbow.

@srinitaaigaura

11 ай бұрын

​@@MurphyMusicAcademyI am sure you will do an awesome job. Now give us that video too. I don't think anyone else has released a down bow staccato video yet.

Excellent video!

My teacher recently signaled to me that i should try improving this wrist movement for staccatos and fast string transfers and it was really interesting to see how you explained it was the "secret" behind upbows. I'll check out if you already have, but it would be really interesting to see a video focused on this.

This was very useful. Thank you.

Cool class Murphy! , I have learned so much today! I am going to follow practicing my bow Staccato.

Very good material. Also a relief to see you have stopped the *annoying* background music.

two set is not about teaching people how to play, it's about their music journey as everyone is different and their way may not be the right way since they don't claim to be anyway....

@bcharafrancisalsafi9805

10 ай бұрын

He didn’t get it that and this video is not about him criticizing them, stfu and learn

@republiccooper

10 ай бұрын

I don't think he ever said they are a teaching channel. He's just taking the opportunity to teach something.

@nickdick2

2 ай бұрын

Before Two Set Eddy, alone, had another KZread channel (that still exists, but is not active anymore) more dedicated to teaching and to violin techniques. Here Murphy is referring to one of these videos...

Огромное спасибо! Прекрасное видео, очень полезное.

Sees the thumbnail 😂 “ Bold Strategy cotton ,let’s see if it will pay off”

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

If that's your immediate reaction to the thumbnail, then I did it right

Good stuff man! I’m working it on my cello now. Thanks!

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

I don’t know how much overlap violin bow technique has with cello, but I’m glad you’ve found it helpful

Gonna try it! Thanks!

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Be patient!

Totally agree with this! This is the same way I teach the technique. Keep up the great content! 👊

There are so many ways of doing it. I really liked your way of doing it and it has begun to work well for my hand. Alexander Shonert has another way doing it that doesn't need the finger action. Auer wrote of at least 4 ways I think. Wieniawksi who pioneered the fast staccato used the action starting from the upper arm only. The best staccato was probably the cellist Fuermann, which based on what I heard was much better than Heifetz, Primrose or Piatigorsky.

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Carl Flesch said that, when it comes to rapid upbow staccato, everyone will kind of have to find their own way. The "stiff-arm" variety that was pioneered by Wieniawski I genuinely think you're born with. I've read Auer's little book, but I don't remember him going over staccato

amazing lesson.

Wow. Thank you

Clear and simple , thanks :-)

Thank you!

Practice🙏🏼❤️

Love this, thank you. Also - looks you've been out in the sun and working out buddy!

Thanks so much for this ! Ooh ! I'd never seen the music to Schon Rosmarin before . Sibelius really asks for the impossible the upbow staccato AND IN THIRDS!

Bravo maestro ottima spiegazione👏💪🌠

i would actually now like to see him try again after watching this, though, haha!!

Maybe there's hope for me yet so, thank you! And that clip of Antal Szalai looks wild 😀

Great stuff. Wish I could get close to this level!

Interesting, i have allways struggled with upbow staccato, but when i learned it my teacher actually explained as Eddy plays it, never mentioned this wrist motion at all. I should give it a try to see how it feels since i think I have a good wrist control to do it this way

@FCarraro1

11 ай бұрын

actually my teacher could do a very fast staccato with that pronation-supination, which is also like Flesch taught it. I find it impossible and I also use horizontal motion of the wrist instead

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

I honestly have never seen that work. I'm certain the impulse likely comes from the arm, not a deliberate pronation and supination action. I'd like to see it in action. Where did you find Flesch teaching it this way? I've read his works and, though I'm certain I don't remember everything, I do distinctly remember him saying that, when it comes to rapid up-bow staccato, everyone has to find their own way of doing it.

@Claushanga

11 ай бұрын

@@MurphyMusicAcademy i agree that the movement comes from the arm. As I understood is that the pronation-supination is for stopping the movement of the arm, hence the resulting staccato articulation, but I'm no expert lol

How can a person learn something without trying and failing a couple timer before something i deeply integrated i violin playing?

I realized after I watched your video, I definitely do your technique at the tempo range but when it’s faster it’s hard for me to describe. It seems like maybe just a bit of the wrist rotation mechanic you described as not liking which helps me a use me first finger to bite the string it. Works for me, gets the sound I want, and I most importantly it’s pain free for me. I’m getting back into playing after a 20 year break, and I can’t remember exactly how I learned all of these techniques, it’s all muscle memory!! But I love these videos, they really help when you already have a foundation.

@sonja4186

4 ай бұрын

How long did it take you to get back to your old level?

@nickcarroll8565

4 ай бұрын

@@sonja4186 more less about 3months. I say more or less because I’m doing things I could not do before and have a more analytical mind, but less in the sense that I don’t quite have the dexterity of my left hand 100% yet.

@sonja4186

4 ай бұрын

​@@nickcarroll8565 wow, that's fast. I also had violin lessons as a child, so I recognise what you say about 'muscle memory' and not remembering how you learned it. I remember the basics. But it's also relearning a lot, so in some ways it's really back to the beginning. It will take me longer than 3 months to get back where I was😁. Nice that you also already learned new things😊. These kind of video's are definitely helpfull, i love the way he explains things

@nickcarroll8565

4 ай бұрын

@@sonja4186 I think in my case it’s because I was playing into my 20s, so my adult brain in my 40s is still reaching back to an adult brain. At least that’s my suspicion.

@sonja4186

4 ай бұрын

@@nickcarroll8565 o haha there's really a difference. I played age 6 till 12 en then regained interest in playing 30 years later. I had to relearn how to read notes. Anyway these kind of channels really help you get started. Even if you don't have a teacher yet

Super super super tips

Hi Tobias - I *think* I can do what that guy at 04:00 is doing! I *think* he's: • Using a sort of Russian bow hold (with orphaned pinky! 🤔). This enables a good but light coupling of the bow to the hand. • Using a *very* light hold of the bow, enabling it to move freely, yet guided. • Using a relaxed wrist, enabling the hand to fly about a bit. • Energizing the bow using fast pulses from the *biceps* (upper arm muscles). That seems to work for me, anyhow, and I think looks and sounds about the same as him. It feels to me that my biceps are doing all the work, and everything else is gently bobbing. It's the middle of the night where I am so I can't try it loudly at the moment. Having said that, I've tried it about at loudly as he does in the clip. I hope that's helpful (and isn't unhelpful!). 🙂

@JSB2500

11 ай бұрын

I've experimented some more. I think his straight detached pinky could be deliberate - I seem to get a cleaner staccato doing that. The note starts are softened with my pinky on the stick (even lightly).

@JSB2500

11 ай бұрын

Actually, I think there's more to it. I think it helps to *feel* the stiction between the bow hair and the string, using your middle finger, and work with it. More reliable!

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

You should make a video and post it in the reply

@JSB2500

11 ай бұрын

Incredible fun, learning the violin! 😊

@FCarraro1

11 ай бұрын

"that guy" is Leonidas Kavakos, but whatever 😅

Please teach the same for down bow and also how to play descending chromatics on E string Thanks

Eddy's always struggling with his right hand (staccato, sautillé, etc)

Thanks for this explanation Is there a video about down bow staccato?

Can you go over the notes on the violin? The most part I'm confused about is for the 2nd finger, 3rd fingers and the 4th fingers, do you use just the second finger such as the "g" on the E string or do you use your first finger on the "f#" and the second finger on the "g" ? And for the 3rd finger "a" on the e string, doyou only have the 3rd finger on the "a" or do you have your first finger on the "f#", the second finger on the "g" and the third finger on the "a"?

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2:40 Thank you

2:38 I really struggle with doing this wrist motion, are there any easier excercises to build up to this

This video really helped my upbow staccato - and I'm a VIOLIST

@susanbryant6516

11 ай бұрын

Very well explained,thank you. I don’t play any instruments, but I enjoy these kind of videos that help me understand the nuances and difficulties, because that helps me enjoy listening to the music, and understanding what I’m hearing. And violin has SO MUCH complexity.

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Well, the basic technique should be the same, even if there is some general differences between violin and viola bow technique

Does it matter how much Rosen used on the bow.

2:30 ironically when I do this technique wrist have nothing to do in any of this , or to be precise I would not prefer to focus on how to "move" my wrist. I will instead try to imagine to flow of force and try to draw out the "force" through my bow, and it works quite well to me. At least it allows me to do a stable staccato in Dvorak Cello Concerto. I think learning would be quite personal at some point. One work may not work on others and we have to learn to respect different learning strategies (as long as it is not obviously wrong). Also as a musician I feel not good to someone overcriticizing others in a video especially when others definitely are not planning for a toturial at the very beginning......

All the Way to the Frog sounds like a great T Shirt

what's the piece at 4:27 again?

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Schon Rosmarin by Fritz Kreisler kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIiCx6qzqqmemZs.html&ab_channel=Lupot123

i play acoustic guitar but do metal covers with a violinist....the last couple days i watch violin videos, maybe i learn the violin someday

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

It seems a lot of guitarists try violin

@DTmaster

11 ай бұрын

@@MurphyMusicAcademy awesomeeeeee

is there a difference between upbow staccato and upbow spiccato?

I have a question for you, could you tell me what is the brand name of you chinrest? Thank you!

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Berber style chinrest

@gontrandbonheur4152

11 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Great stuff! Open to considering a collab between our channels?

So with this knowledge how long until I can play a flying staccato like Ivry Gitlis???

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Pretty sure you’re born with that, but if you ever figure it out let me know

@TXCrafts1

11 ай бұрын

Yeah that was more a joke but I will let you know if I figure it out. I'm glad I found your channel, I want to refresh myself on playing and your videos made me realize that none of my "professors" taught me anything about technique it was just "pick up and play". Thanks again for the content

@TXCrafts1

11 ай бұрын

Gitlis was something else. I would also suggest looking up Eugene Fodors staccato, it's very beautiful to see and hear.

Tobias really znsweres the ' how to do" questions . Also he dorsnt waste my time with chit chat.

2:35

5:20 ji wong song 🎉

@MurphyMusicAcademy

10 ай бұрын

I was actually there as a stage hand at that performance, believe it or not.

I'm the only one in the world who has had enough of two set. But I'm here to listen to what you have to say

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

I still love them

@deadmanswife3625

11 ай бұрын

@@MurphyMusicAcademy no problem. It's just when they spend more time showing off than showing you a technique it's not so great anymore for me.🤷‍♀️😊

@LingLingWannaBeLah

11 ай бұрын

Their channel is about classical music and comedy, not about technique 🤷🏻‍♀️

@deadmanswife3625

11 ай бұрын

@@LingLingWannaBeLah point taken

@LingLingWannaBeLah

11 ай бұрын

@@deadmanswife3625 Actually, Eddy had a channel where he taught violin and it was really good. The channel still exists, but he stopped creating content for it when TwoSet exploded

My teacher, an international concert violinist, Ruben Kosemyan, taught me to do this by taking a paper towel and tearing it down the middle as if it were staccato.

@CelloTube-vs7mf

10 ай бұрын

Would you be willing to upload a video demonstrating this? I have a hard time picturing the exercise, but it sounds interesting!

@shawnchristopherwhite3271

10 ай бұрын

@@CelloTube-vs7mf Ok, I'll do that - Concerto for Paper Towel.

@CelloTube-vs7mf

9 ай бұрын

Lmao! Seriously though, it would be really cool if you uploaded a video demonstrating the exercise! :) Best wishes@@shawnchristopherwhite3271

I have a shitty trill and I feel people consider it much more important than this

So I should have it down a week or two right? 😂

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Let’s go with 2

@JustFiddler

11 ай бұрын

​@@MurphyMusicAcademyi see

Very hard mmmm

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

Not actually sure what that means

@RubsViolin

11 ай бұрын

@@MurphyMusicAcademy this Technique looks unbelievably difficult lol /:

@RapidBlaster

11 ай бұрын

hello rubs

Tobiah, stop stealing your baby brother's shirts!

@smithmusicstudies

11 ай бұрын

excellent video, btw! I'll check out Baby Gap for the shirt

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

It’s just a continual reminder for me to lose weight, lol. I got married in March and I’ve gained 10 lbs since. We had our fun, but working at reversing that now, haha

@MurphyMusicAcademy

11 ай бұрын

@@smithmusicstudies 🤣

@smithmusicstudies

11 ай бұрын

Congratulations @@MurphyMusicAcademy ! That is wonderful!

@smithmusicstudies

11 ай бұрын

@@MurphyMusicAcademy For what it is worth, I thought you were working out lol

Nice video but I do not like it’s end. Of course there could be pleasure in mediocrity while aiming for the stars may be a recipe for unhappiness. I would rather say: Remember that being on an ongoing journey may be satisfying no matter where you are right now. Happy practicing!

You are a great teacher but it is a shame that you have made adverse comments about other people’s channels, please keep it nice.

@marcvilleneuve1889

10 ай бұрын

He is right... two sets are idiots and ignorant.

@sonja4186

4 ай бұрын

​@@marcvilleneuve1889no they're not. And Tobiah didn't say that in this video

@marcvilleneuve1889

4 ай бұрын

@@sonja4186??? I do not see my post anymore. So I do not understand your comment. Thanks

@sonja4186

4 ай бұрын

@@marcvilleneuve1889 you said that Two Set Violins are idiots ..your post was there when i replied to you

@sonja4186

4 ай бұрын

And i can still see it. You also called them ignorant

And finaly you dont have staccato in normal tempo))) what about speak))

It’s Twoset Violin not a channel full of “how to” videos. It’s great that you showed people how to do up-bow staccato *differently* , but there’s nothing wrong with what Eddy did. Twoset just promotes practice in general while entertaining their viewers. No need to point out what they did “wrong”, since they just showed how *they* like to practice. Eddy also got better, but never did he say he mastered up-bow staccato. Hence another time they proved their point that you should practice. Edit: If they are really doing something wrong, they will probably get note from Ray Chen or Hilary Hahn, whom they know really well and can easily ask for tips.

@JoshuaLo2732

11 ай бұрын

Not quite correct. Eddy was not doing a fine up now staccato, though it could sound like one, but it couldn’t develop any further, therefore learning the theory and physics behind each motion of different violin techniques (hard ones or easy ones) is extremely essential, for it would cause unnecessary stress during practice sessions or even during performances, basic concepts and foundations are something modern musicians lacks , therefore it is important for someone like Murphy to point out the flaws from musician , especially if they are influential figures, for their flaws would easily affect their viewers.

@sophiaries3169

11 ай бұрын

@@JoshuaLo2732 yes but like I said, he can always ask Hilary Hahn or Ray Chen, whom he knows better.

@sophiaries3169

11 ай бұрын

@@e2pii213 ?

@JoshuaLo2732

11 ай бұрын

@@sophiaries3169 It is not about twoset themselves, it is about the audience that are learning from the videos they make. Of course twoset could easily find help from Hilary or Ray, but when they release a video , it is the audience who would learn from them, and it would give a bad development for them.

@JoshuaLo2732

11 ай бұрын

@@sophiaries3169 To make it clear I’m a twosetter myself, and I enjoy watching their videos and go to their concerts while they’re on tour, however entertainment is different from actual music training, and the two should be separated. As a musician, being criticised is a positive thing more than a negative one, for we are able to make corrections for ourselves, and listen to our own recordings, you see , it is because the are such influential figures in our classical community, therefore the more audiences they have, the more people who gets influenced, in both positive and negative ways of course.

You dont know nothing about pronation and supination, and it is most relative strategy man.

Nonsense.

I just saw cushion on your left shoulder

@MurphyMusicAcademy

10 ай бұрын

Yep