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I actually use this sort of thinking when I learned Japanese and Mandarin simultaneously. I learned the sound laws so I could easily predict what a character would sound like in either language. For example, the character 必 is _hitsu_ in Japanese; knowing that _h_ typically becomes a labial consonant in Mandarin Chinese- _b, p,_ or _f-_ I could easily predict that the character is pronounced _bì._ You can also do this with Korean, where the _h_ also becomes _b_ and final _tsu_ consistently becomes _l._ It helped me memorize a lot of characters rather quickly.

@counterpoint6234

2 жыл бұрын

Could you please recommend some resources for learning these sound laws? I'm also studying Mandarin and Japanese and have an interest in historical linguistics, so this sounds like exactly my kind of method!

@Amber-me2wz

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like some recommendations as well, and a bit more elaboration on these sound laws that you use (rn im learning mandarin and I want to learn korean as well)

@OpuYT

2 жыл бұрын

Please share your ressources with us 🙏

@condric1423

2 жыл бұрын

The most important thing to know when learning how to speak another language is "phonetics", but you'll probably get bombarded by hundreds of technical linguistic terms if you search it yourself, so I'm gonna try to explain it as concise as possible. Certain sounds can be grouped depending on the how the sound is made and is different for every languages (some, like Mandarin Chinese or Thai, list their alphabets by sound). For example (somewhat simplified) : [LISTED BY BOPOMOFO SYSTEM] b - p - m - f sound is made at the lips #(labial consonant) d - t - n - l sound is made with the tip (apex) of your tongue #(apical consonant) g - k - h sound is made at the soft palate #(velar consonant) [try pushing your tongue against the roof of your mouth and slowly move it back until you reach the soft spot (no bone); that's the soft palate] j - q - *x* sound is made by moving the tongue back and forth [creating the shshsh sound] #(alveolo-palatal affricate/ *alveolo-palatal fricative consonant* ) zh - ch - *sh - r* sound is made the same as j - q - x but with tongue curled a bit backward. #(retroflex affricate/ *retroflex fricative consonant* ) z - c - *s* sound is made by letting air go through your teeth with the tip (apex) of your tongue #(apical affricate/ *apical fricative consonant* ) [for affricate consonant you stop the air flow for a bit in your tongue before you let it out through your teeth, *for fricative consonant you don't have to stop* ] Most of the time, Chinese/Japanese linguistic resources are hard to find or just isn't available in English, so Wikipedia articles are probably your best friend. As for Chinese-Japanese vocab relations, this is a good starter en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Japanese_vocabulary And also beware of false friend en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese%E2%80%93Japanese_false_friends

@counterpoint6234

2 жыл бұрын

@@condric1423 Thanks for the guidance!

I'm currently learning Korean, japanese and Chinese at the same time. These was very helpful information. Looking forward to more videos.

@superplaylists1616

2 жыл бұрын

@it's mee Korean, Japanese and Chinese alphabets are pretty different and identifiable once you get to know the languages

@sktzn6829

2 жыл бұрын

@it's mee not exactly. Unlike for example Italian, Spanish and Portuguese; Chinese, Korean and Japanese, except for certain vocabulary, aren't really related at all. They all belong to different language groups and have different grammar rules and applications.

@ava5971

2 жыл бұрын

@@superplaylists1616 Yeah but it's hard enough learning hanzi/kanji one reading at a time...imagine having to learn for both chinese and japanese. they're probably going to get burnt out very quickly

@Angel-ip7pw

2 жыл бұрын

im not trying to leanr any of these langauges but i watched this video anyway lmao idk why

@Sillymimi472

2 жыл бұрын

Same!!

I feel like in theory this sounds really effective, but in reality with this method it can become very easy to become a Jack of all trades but master of none. With Chinese, Japanese and Korean it might be best to learn one and then learn the other once you get to an intermediate level in the first one you pick, and then learn the third when you are advanced in the first and intermediate in the second. Or maybe even learn the third through the first one you learned.

@s3xy0n333

2 жыл бұрын

okay cool this is what i was thinking maybe too. cause i wanna be close to fluent in only korean but later id like to learn some japanese for sure and then mandarin or chinese after.

@12kingdomstourism

2 жыл бұрын

@@s3xy0n333 I feel that learning Chinese or Japanese first will be more beneficial than learning Korean first, so you can actually link the hanja to the words.

@kabirbatra

2 жыл бұрын

"a jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one"

@shinkshonkers3787

2 жыл бұрын

@@s3xy0n333 isn't mandarin a dialect of chinese?

@kyliejones7201

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not trying to be an absolute master, I just wanna be able to communicate :)

太厉害了, 以后也要加油更新视频呀！native Chinese speaker here🙋, self studied Korean by English and self learning Japanese by Korean now, I tried to compare them for learning more efficiently same as you:) so interesting 😊

@mingu6815

2 жыл бұрын

wow so you speak Chinese korean and English? Did you learn English through studying korean?

@nturlilfrk

2 жыл бұрын

@@mingu6815 no😂😂😂 English is a compulsory subject from primary school in China, I just learn it from school and cram class.

@AmIWhatIAm

2 жыл бұрын

Oooh same here! I studied Japanese in highschool (I got offered to learn it for free so I took the chance), planning to learn Korean now! I'm also a native Chinese speaker but I'm not Chinese from Mainland China 🤣 so far I can speak and write Chinese, English, Malay and Japanese. I can understand a bit of Chinese dialects too such as Cantonese.

@yqtyc

2 жыл бұрын

@@AmIWhatIAm sameeeeeeeeee

@divinereverie

2 жыл бұрын

wow exactly the same as me! i'm also a native chinese & english speaker learning korean and japanese :)

Hi everyone, I realised that I need to assemble a small team in order to produce these videos on a sustainable basis. (This is because I am a poor and overworked college student 😅.) I also want to pay my team because I believe that remunerating someone for their labour is the ethical thing to do. Therefore, I have created a little Patreon if any of you want to support this project! Perks include shout-outs at the end of future videos and monthly updates on what's going on behind the scenes. (I'm open to suggestions about any other perks that you might want as well!) I am currently the only source of information on this topic (808 commonly-used characters shared between Chinese, Japanese, and Korean) available in English. I also think I am one of the few people in the world who has the skills to research this topic + cares enough to do it well. I don't want to over-promise, but I hope to build up a steady supply of videos and start uploading again by May. I also want to start a new series on the 658 shared *words* as well as covering Vietnamese and Cantonese. I do hope that you find this to be a cause worth patronising. Regardless, I am grateful that you are watching my videos and that you find them interesting ❤️ www.patreon.com/808cjk

@lianawei8711

2 жыл бұрын

I hope you get more views and Patreon! Cuz I'm going to rely on you😂. I'll support you when I get a job. But I'm still a highschool students rn..

@marxiewasalittlegirl

2 жыл бұрын

All the best

@user-kr4tp3lv2u

2 жыл бұрын

I'm really interested but I need to study for university entering exams😭😭😭I'm 受験生...sorry🥺

@typhonxyz

2 жыл бұрын

Hey this sounds super interesting! If you need someone to help edit and put together videos, I do that professionally and would be willing to offer my services at a reduced rate.

@808CJK

2 жыл бұрын

@@typhonxyz Hi Eagle, that would be really great! Could you email me at 808cjk@gmail.com and we can discuss this more?

I did this 15y ago. I studied Chinese and Japanese at the same time, and they called me crazy, and I tried to convince everyone it was actually helpful and I didn't have problems with cross over info or whatever.

Fun fact: knowing one of these languages makes the other 2 a little easier (at least from my experience). I'm learning Korean, and I've noticed there are quite a few word that sound similar to Chinese words, which makes memorizing it a lot easier. I will say that between Chinese and Japanese though...it's really confusing. Japan's kanji has the exact same characters as Chinese along with the same meanings, but completely different pronunciation. That's pretty annoying to differentiate cause everytime I look at kanji, my brain takes too long to adjust. Hiragana is a lot easier to memorize, and katakana too (to some extent), but it's still that much harder simply because it's split into 3 different categories. Tbh, I never realized how difficult it is to learn a language if it doesn't have an alphabetical system. I grew up speaking Mandarin, yet when thinking about it from a more objective point of view, it's painful. So that's why I'd honestly say Korean is a lot easier. Sure, the grammatical stuff is more confusing, but patterns are much easier to pick up and it's a lot easier to read (because there's an alphabetical system). *In order of easiest to hardest, from my pov:* 1. Korean 2. Chinese 3. Japanese

@LouisSubearth

2 жыл бұрын

Also with Japanese, Kanji have different pronunciations, onyomi and kunyomi, where the latter is closer to Chinese languages in pronunciation, adding a layer of complexity, or a layer of ease if you already speak Mandarin for example.

@hyukleberry5567

2 жыл бұрын

It's also much easier to learn korean if you speak cantonese. The korean words which have chinese roots sound more similar to the cantonese pronunciation, and the system of changing between the two is more consistent. For example, everything in canto that's like "ai" becomes "ae" in korean. If you listen to kpop, it's also the reason why the korean names of chinese idols sound nothing like the chinese version, and the chinese names of korean idols sound nothing like korean. Off the top of my head, a good example would be Chenle from nct, whose hanja translated korean name would be jinrak, but where tf did that k come from? In canto, it's sun lok. It's not perfect but usually the consonants are the same/similar. I think that might be evidence that canto is more similar to classical chinese when it was introduced to korea

@lol-xz2fl

2 жыл бұрын

i think that japanese has all the difficult stuff from chinese such as kanji and has the difficult grammar system from korean

@tovarishcheleonora8542

4 ай бұрын

Anways, the "exact same meaning" part for JP kanji is not really true in lot of cases especially in compounds.

@tovarishcheleonora8542

4 ай бұрын

@@lol-xz2fl Lol. Japanese didn't "adopt korean grammar". They are just both agglutinative languages and both uses politeness and particules. That's all.

Native Korean speaker here, I grew up in a Chinese speaking country and taught myself Japanese, can confirm knowing Korean and Chinese makes learning Japanese so easy Kanjis are a breeze since I already read Chinese, just take note on minor differences, and for grammar there’s equivalents for basically everything in Korean

@crypticshadows

4 ай бұрын

I’m learning korean, and it seems like it’s the most different from japanese / chinese at least for reading

@sichaoxian

3 ай бұрын

There are only 3 Chinese speaking countries I can think of, China, Taiwan, Singapore…

@NixieTubeNP

3 ай бұрын

This helps! I’ve realised while learning Korean than there are many similarities in sentence structure or word construction in Chinese. Japanese is maybe harder due to the writing system but maybe easier to learn the sounds of the characters for English speakers as it isn’t a tonal language? Just thinking out loud, but I’ll see when I get to Japanese whether my theory actually holds up 😂

@zhazhahui11002

Ай бұрын

在中国有一种说法，中国朝鲜族学日语基本和玩一样😂

@gytan2221

23 күн бұрын

你是中國朝鮮族嗎？

Awesome presentation, but I think it's wrong to make a parallel between Chinese Korean and Japanese and Romance languages, since Romance languages are one family and Chinese, Japanese and Korean are unrelated at their origin, Chinese vocabulary influence and writing system being the only thing in common. I would later say that the equivalent of Romance languages in East Asia is the Chinese language family.For example, Cantonese is as different from Mandarin as French is from Spanish.

@808CJK

2 жыл бұрын

Hello! That's a great point and you are absolutely right! I only touched on it briefly in the video when I mentioned that Chinese, Japanese, and Korean differ in their grammars and I could have been more clear about this point. Unfortunately, I couldn't come up with a good way to learn grammar using the comparative method like in the Romance languages. However, I do think that learning the characters is the biggest issue in learning Chinese, Japanese, and Korean just as grammar is the biggest difficulty in learning the Romance languages, and so the comparative method is similarly effective here.

@deacudaniel1635

2 жыл бұрын

@@808CJK Even between these 3 East Asian languages, the level of difficulty is different. Chinese has easy grammar but hard writing system.Korean has much harder grammar, but learning Hanja is optional and Hangul alphabet is very easy.In Japanese, both the writing system and grammar are very difficult.I learned Chinese for more than 7 years and now when I read something in Japanese I can guess their meaning based on the Kanjis, even if I don't know how to pronunce them in Japanese.So the comparative method works, at least for writing.

@sasino

2 жыл бұрын

True, I would rather study 3 sinitic languages than study it with Japanese and Korean, it would get a bit confusing because they not that similar at all, except Japanese is similar to Chinese in writing (usage of Hanzi), and Korean similar to Japanese in grammar

@TaiChiKnees

2 жыл бұрын

Because of the historical influence China had on Japan and Korea, and vice versa, it is reasonable that there is similar vocabulary between the three languages despite being from three separate language groups. I think you are being unnecessarily pedantic considering this is a video meant to help language learners rather than to discuss linguistics.

@klodaka

2 жыл бұрын

@@TaiChiKnees As a Korean heritage speaker and Japanese learner, I personally think it's important to identify the relationship between Chinese, Korean, and Japanese as being different from the relationship between Romance languages *especially* considering historical influence... I appreciate the original commenter pointing it out, as a lot of non-Asians, particularly non-East Asian people, are unaware that Chinese, Korean, and Japanese come from different language families in the first place and often compare the relationship to Romance languages like Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian, despite it being entirely different. I would even argue that ignoring the difference helps perpetuates the negative stereotypes that all Asians are the same. I don't think that the original comment takes away from a language learner's experience, rather I would think that someone who was uninterested in thinking about linguistics would simply brush over the comment and someone who was interested would be glad to read the comment, just like I was.

As a South Korean who can speak Japanese language and have learned the basics of Chinese language, I can definitely say this video is more than precise. Looking forward to your next video! +) A slight modification would be, however, the three major East Asian languages are the hardest language mainly for the navtive English speakers! As the linguistic distance between languages significantly influences the level of difficulty when you learn the other.

@tovarishcheleonora8542

4 ай бұрын

About the difficulty, you're correct. And as a native Hungarian i can say that Korean and Japanese are easy in the logic of their grammar (but japanese also easy in pronunciation) for us. So yeah, language difficulty is very much depends on what language the person already familiar with.

When other people ask if it is possible to learn bunch of languages at the same time, I answer them: _guys, did you learn (or do you learn) physics, chemistry, biology, math at school? Did you succeed? If you remember at least something, then of course it's possible to learn languages that way too!_

@crimsonghost4107

2 жыл бұрын

This mentality won't help you become fluent though. If you're native language is English and you learn French and Spanish at the same time that might work well, become they are at least related. Chinese and Japanese are completely unrelated though and are very grammatically different from English. In order to start understanding anime in Japanese, I've had to devote a lot of my free time to listening to audio and some reading, since knowing kanji has helped me learn vocabulary faster. I don't think devoting time to multiple languages at once is a good idea. You will get burnt out fast.

@user-nk8zx1yw8s

2 жыл бұрын

@@crimsonghost4107 Honestly, from experience, I think learning 2-3 languages that are not related to each other at all is easier for me and keeps me from burning out (because I can just change which one I study each study session and it will surely be completely different). Learning very similar languages confuses me since they have similar grammar and vocabulary rules, but they are slightly different and I can accidentally mix them up. That mix-up doesn’t happen when learning 2 very different languages (like Mandarin Chinese and German, lets say), and helps keep things fresh and distinct.

@Failzz8

2 жыл бұрын

Except the way you learn in school is incredibly inefficient. it'll take you a year or more to learn the stuff you could learn in less than a week if you focus on one, plus people tend to forget most of it after a couple months. Not a very convincing argument tbh.

people who don't study japanese always talk about how kanji is the hardest part, and it is pretty difficult, but you just need to do the same thing for hundreds of times, which is finding the kanji, learning the reading and meaning, it's a lineal process and it's quantifiable, you can know how many kanji you know, and how many of them are in the jouyou kanji list, but when it comes to listening and grammar it is much harder, and I'd argue those two aspects are harder than kanji, as someone who has been learning japanese for 2 years

@sabbysky

2 ай бұрын

The grammar rules themselves are really simple, just need to listen a lot and repeat a bunch yourself to really drill them into your brain permanently. Kanji really was the easiest part 😂 just reading novels and checking the readings on google translate with my phone quick and going on with the story right away.

I love how you pronounced kanji, hanzi and hanja correctly! Nice video, thank you.

New videos coming out in May. Also, we have a team now! _____ Hi everyone, thank you for all your support. I am overwhelmed by all the traction that this channel has gotten and very thankful for all of your interest and support. Over the past month, I have been building up a team and refining the video production process. We have taken your feedback and will be moving away from the shorts format. Instead, we will produce normal, longer videos, which means I don’t have to speed-read through the script like an overcaffeinated Eminem. This also means we can go deeper into aspects of the languages and the cultures that were previously cut for time. For May, you can expect one new character video per week. We plan to gradually increase our capacity in the future so that we eventually release three videos per week. I would like to thank the team, without whom none of this would be possible. I cannot appreciate them enough for all the time and hard work that they are putting in! If you are interested in supporting the team for their time and hard work, please also consider supporting us on Patreon (www.patreon.com/808cjk). We are working on some exciting perks, but they will take some time to complete as we are still focusing on video production. In the meantime, you can rest assured that *all* Patreon proceeds will be distributed among the team for their incredible work. You will also get shout-outs in our future videos. Finally, here is a shout-out to all our team members! They are: AJ Alex Amberly AshElly Ha My Jacqueline Nate Theo Zhi Rui

@grandekeba

2 жыл бұрын

Awsome!

@akoutnikova

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your channel. I just became a regular visitor :-).

@the-network

2 жыл бұрын

Heyo

@alfredo464

2 жыл бұрын

What resources are you talking about at 5:10? I speak Korean fluently and have previously failed trying to pickup both Japanese and Chinese

@Someone-wx9lq

Жыл бұрын

awesome

As a Chinese learner, I believe Chinese has an easy grammar structure that English speakers can pick up quickly-the characters, unfortunately, tend to overwhelm most. I would say Japanese and Korean are more similar in grammar and writing overall since they have set scripts (unlike Chinese), their sentence structures are similar (SOV) and they use particles which are also used in Chinese, but less frequently and not in the same ways.

Now this is what I call proper KZread algorithm suggestion! This is the kind of content I would like to see on my feed. Congrats on starting your channel 👏

I’m studying Korean but doing Mandarin on Duolingo for fun while my son bugs me to Learn Japanese since he’s moving there. My main trouble in Korean is recalling vocabulary and have already noticed that similarities in some of the few terms I know in Mandarin or Japanese helps a LOT to remember Korean. And I only really need to recognize Chinese characters, not draw them. So any new pathway to reinforce a term in my brain will help. I look forward to your videos!

@lucwolfe3068

2 жыл бұрын

I think 'write' is a more appropriate word than draw. It's more commonly used to say "writing chinese characters" :))

@adenarmy7257

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucwolfe3068 that's what i wanted to say too ;)

@crimsonghost4107

2 жыл бұрын

You should look up Remembering the Kanji by Heisig. Learning kanji through this method has helped me learn vocabulary faster since the words are built from kanji, and each kanji is associated with a keyword. So when I hear a new word I might be able to guess its meaning due to having formed these associations. When I see a new word I'm also able to guess its reading. I think this method would work well for learning Korean vocabulary. For example, 大 means big and is read as "dai“ and 学 means school and is read as "gaku." If I encountered the word 大学 for the first time I would be able to guess that it is read as "daigaku" and means college.

@KrabbyPattySecretForumla

2 жыл бұрын

You should try some backup apps or books as well because it’s said that duolingo doesn’t translate correctly unfortunately

@tovarishcheleonora8542

4 ай бұрын

@@KrabbyPattySecretForumla Not just doesn't translate correctly, but you can't use doulingo exclusively if you actually want to learn a language.

omg i've been convinced of this for months and i was so happy to have confirmation when I saw the title of your video! I've been trying to learn Japanese for years (but self-teaching is very slow because i don't have a schedule for that haha), I started learning Korean on my own as well (but the tried and true method of listening to music and series is on my side this time) and I've been learning Mandarin since September through school. All that to say that not only did I note all the similarities and influences between these languages, but I realised that for example, knowing a few things about hanzì through Japanese has helped a lot in my Chinese classes. This is the only video i've seen from you so far but I am definitely going to keep up. Thank you so much for this initiative and I hope it thrives!

I just happened to stumble across your channel, and I'm super excited!! I've been studying Korean, Japanese, and Chinese for a few years in my spare time (so progress has been slow, unfortunately) - but this is one of the things that fascinates me! I love learning about the history and the overlaps of these languages. I can't wait to watch more of your videos. Thank you for creating a resource to meet this need in the language community. I also appreciate the way you organize and clearly articulate your thoughts and the information. It makes the subject easy to follow and understand.

Thus was so nice to find! I've been going back and forth between Korean and Japanese for various reasons so I was kind of doing this already but having videos that explain them without me having to look up all these things is amazing. Thank you!

Wow, this is really helpful! I used to study Chinese on my own, but I promised a friend of mine that I would learn Korean too. Thank you for sharing

I started trying to learn Chinese on my own after several years of taking Japanese classes. I found that each language aids the learning of the other, especially with recognizing the meaning of characters. To see a video that explains this phenomena is very exciting!

Very interesting! I'm studying Japanese at Uni, but I've come across a lot of Chinese in various online spaces, and knowing Kanji definitely helps understanding the gist of what's going on, but having the appropriate pronunciation would obviously be even better! It's always super interesting to me when I can make out similarities in certain words like 練習, 天国, or 大王...

Dude, you might just be the most useful language learning youtuber outhere, really hope you gain more attention lately, amazing dude

Great video! I'm currently learning Vietnamese and Japanese after learning Chinese, and I think this will be a really helpful method to incorporate into my learning. Thanks for sharing this!

For Chinese speakers who are currently studying Korean, check out《韩文单字语源图鉴》!! It points out the differences and similarities between these two languages, which helps to memorize the meaning of words

The scope of this channel is incredible. I have very little money because i am going through rehabilitation after my brain cancer, but if I had any, I would spend it on you. I look forward to using this amazing ressource to learn the three languages. Thank you so much for putting all this work in!

Amazing!! Thank you so much for making this! I am a native Cantonese/Mandarin speaker trying to learn Korean from hanja but there are not a lot of existing resources for learning from this route. Your channel and the pdfs you linked are game changing for me.

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@sarahwatts8184

27 күн бұрын

Anyone who used that face is unlovable

@LuigiCotocea

26 күн бұрын

Mda, stau și ma uit la video-ul asta de parcă deja is nativ japonez, korean și chinez. Dar ploblema e ca ne este lene sa invătam alte limbi!

I think comparing Chinese/Japanese/korean to Romance language is a bit too extreme. The comparaison would be good for Mandarin/Cantonese/Vietnamese But Korean/Japanese have their native language root, which is distinct from Chinese, but due to Chinese influence, they assimilated a lot of words and characters into their initially different language. The fact that Korean/Japanese have a different sentence structure than Chinese make it more obvious. For example in Korean there is a distinction between sino-korean words, and native-korean words. So, I would say that the comparation could be Italian vs German, Many german words come from Latin, they use mostly the same alphabet but one is Germanic and the other is Latin and for german speakers, it's not too difficult to distinguish which words are germanic and which words are latin.

@lili_memeche5236

2 жыл бұрын

Non l’allemand ca resemble pas au latin c’est plutot l’espagnol

@amadexi

2 жыл бұрын

Oui c'est précsément ce que je dis. L'allemend a quelque mots de latin mais ce n'est pas une langue latine. De la même manière, le Coréen a des mots de chinois (les mots sino-coréens) mais l'origine de la langue n'est pas le chinois.

@nyleeu2632

2 жыл бұрын

In Chinese view, Korean and Vietnamese are much more Sinolized than Japanese. I can speak Japanese and I know they can use native Japanese with a few Chinese-root vocabularies in daily life, but as I know in Korean or Vietnamese, they can't yet. Such that, for K and V speakers, learning Chinese might be much more easier than J. ( and as I know almost all native level Chinese learner from country out of China are from these 2 countries )

@amadexi

2 жыл бұрын

@@nyleeu2632 I agree for vietnamese, which is close to cantonese, they even have tones (although different from mandarin) and the language structure is very similar. But I disagree about korean being 'closer' to chinese than japanese. They both have the same percentage of chinese loan words (한자어/漢語) in their language and they are both very different from chinese in the sense that they are agglutinative SOV languages (chinese isn't like that at all). Meaning that Koreans and Japanese do construct their sentences and words in a VERY different way than Chinese. Regarding writing, I would say that Japanese is closer, as they still use 漢字 to the point where Japanese and Chinese can actually communicate together through writing. Which is not possible for Koreans. the usage of 한자 is very limited and only a very limited list of "important" 한자 are taught at school.

@nyleeu2632

2 жыл бұрын

​@@amadexi What you say is expression "Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese and Japanese are diffierent languages", And I totally argee that, but grammar like SOV or SVO don't that improtant. I'm guessing you're Korean, as far as I know Jeju used to have a large Mongolian population living on the island during the Mongol Empire, and there is still a huge difference between the Jeju dialect and standard Korean today, but I think whoever it is acknowledges that they are closer to Korean than Mongolian. The fact that modern Korean has almost abandoned Chinese writing does not change the fact that it is actually closer to Chinese than Japanese, and modern Vietnamese uses the Latin alphabet, but it is clearly closer to Chinese than to French. Strictly speaking they are even closer to ancient Chinese than to today's Mandarin, as the Chinese language itself is gradually changing itself through the culturally central effect of the capital.

This was so well produced! As someone who is learning all three languages I have tried to use a similar method but it’s nice to see a channel specifically dedicated to this method,,

My HATS OFF to you coming up with this extremely complete and resourceful book. Thank you so much!

all we need is patience and time

Wow, this is so cool. Thanks for putting this idea into action. Ever since I've gotten into kpop I've been connecting Korean and the Chinese I learn at school and also talking about kanji with my brother who learns Japanese and making connections like these are really really helpful and interesting to me, but it's so hard to find definitive or just any answers at all with these things so thank you so much and I will definitely be watching your videos going forward. ✊🏼

i feel so good that i found your channel!! cant wait to start my learning journey!!!

There’s absolutely an interest in knowing more and more characters. More power to you

The difference is understanding the languages as relationship modeling rulesets, rather than data sets. Shared language family means shared data with similar modeling rules. Relying on the shared data reduces one of the greatest bottlenecks (downloading data to your brain). This is a fascinating project, really looking forward to the series.

I was taking a Japanese class, and my classmate was from Hong Kong and it was just easier for her to learn Japanese by writing in Chinese.

I love this idea, bc i know intermediate level Chinese and plan on learning Japanese. I appreciate you so much for starting this channel!

this is awesome, I’m glad I ran into your channel! I’ve been learning japanese for a while, and have become interested in mandarin and korean. I’ve noticed for a while that there’s overlap, but had no idea how to combine my learning for all three. looking forward to watching more!

I looked for such comparative materials and couldn't find. Mostly I had to check wiktionary, that works great, but you have to look up one by one. Finally you are doing the job that was missing. Subscribed.

i started with japanese and picked up korean a little later. and the grammar is SO similar it's basically the same (on the beginner's level at least). i make crazy combination sentences way too often because of this... but on a side note even earlier i also tried learning chinese but stopped after a while because i couldn't keep up with the vocabulary... but because i memorised all the strokes and keys and the order in which they're written kanji is a piece of cake for me!

Thank you for starting your KZread channel and sharing with us the combining method. I just subscribed and couldn’t wait to start watching your other videos on this topic. I just started learning Japanese but I’m so glad to discover now that I can learn Chinese and Korean simultaneously.

props to this guy for taking the time out of his week to research all of this so we don't have to....respect

I’ve been interested in Japanese for a long time but felt it would be too difficult to learn, so I would just learn Korean and maybe learn Japanese later, but with this channel I can change my interest in Japanese into interest in Korean through their shared aspects. I’ve also been wanting to learn the history of Kanji and how it split from Chinese while preserving the Chinese characters in most of its nouns.

I basically learned J and C from scratch at the same time, from absolute beginner to year 3 in university. I really enjoyed it.

@luxraider5384

2 жыл бұрын

don t ever say C when you re talking about chinese, i thought you were talking about the C programming language and assumed that J stands for Java

@Mimiscellaneous

2 жыл бұрын

@@luxraider5384 why would you assume he was talking about computer programming, under a video about spoken human languages? Context is important. And who would refer to Java as “J”? Why not assume JavaScript?

@juanzavala9023

2 ай бұрын

@@luxraider5384bro same 😭

I’ve been studying these languages together as well even though it’s slow going because I’ve taken the time to learn the grammar each language as well as proper pronunciation and sentence structure. I really like what you’ve presented thus far in this video and look forward to your other videos on this. Thanks for the resources you’ve kindly provided thus far. Good luck with this endeavour.

I'm really glad I came across this! I want to Learn Chinese, Korean and Japanese for a while now, and while my Korean is in the intermediate level just from my exposure through media, the others haven't really moved forward. This gave me an insight.

this is such an interesting video! im fluent in cantonese, mandarin and english and im currently learning japanese. sometimes when im watching anime/japanese shows/kdramas, i notice how i could actually understand select terms that have pronunciations similar to chinese and i thought it was just a conspiracy theory i had in my head due to the sheer amount of shows i would watch ?? on a completely unrelated note, my first japanese word i learnt from listening to my japanese-speaking aunt talk was actually denwa (telephone) because it had a similar pronunciation to telephone in cantonese (dinwaa) or mandarin (dianhua). so then 5 year old me was like nah this gotta be a joke and i thought i was a language genius bc of that LMAO

very interesting! excited to see what you post next!

Had no intention of learning these languages but this really caught my interest-- subscribed!

Currently learning Japanese, Chinese, Arabic, Esperanto, Polish and Korean at the same time. This video really helped out a lot! Looking forward to more videos.

This is true! English is my L2 and sometimes its grammar helps me understand my L1 (Spanish) better. Never thought of applying this method to these languages, I was planning to first become as fluent as possible in Mandarin and then take up Korean but this might be better! Thank you

When starting to learn Korean, I already had some basic knowledge of Japanese and don't get me started on how confusing it was. The grammar is similar in some ways so switching a Korean word for a Japanese didn't seem like much of a problem to my brain haha I started to focus on Korean and only after reaching a higher intermediate level I began to learn Japanese again, from scratch and guess what. The process was way more pleasant because I had something to compare it to (Korean) and I did not get confused with vocabulary, since Korean is already so engraved in my brain. Never tried learning Chinese but I don't think learning it at the same time as the other two languages would be a good idea. Tbh even with the romance languages, I know French quite well and when learning Spanish it seemed quite confusing sometimes. It is true you can understand some of the other romance languages but learning all of them at once just results in a jumble of words from multiple languages that don't go together. That's just my opinion as an average language enthusiast and learner.. ^^;

@hepthegreat4005

2 жыл бұрын

I had the same expierence, learned Spanish, and when tried picking up french I would lose my spanish.

@danbo967

7 ай бұрын

Learning all 3 is fine, I do it too. However you have to keep in mind that unlike the Romance languages which belong to the same language family, Japanese, Korean and Chinese belong to different language families namely the Japonic, Koreanic and Sino-tibetan language families respectively. The Chinese characters are shared but Japanese uses Kanji different (Kunyomi/onyomi, some kanji only exist in Japan) than Chinese Hanzi and Korean Hangul is different too. It can end up causing more confusion if you don't keep that in mind.

@tovarishcheleonora8542

4 ай бұрын

@@danbo967 Also for the meanings it not always will work if you accidentally mix the chinese and japanese versions up. Especially with kanji compounds. And in lots of cases you can't really get a pass with changing up a single character either because they might have very different design in both languages.

Thanks for the effort! I already know Japanese, but am learning Chinese and Korean now. This is a nice addition to process the new readings. :)

I’ve been comparing the languages as I’ve been learning Korean this past year!!! I didn’t even know I could use this method and it seems very promising!!! I was planning on learning Japanese after Korean, but I have a (what I think to be) solid framework of Korean - my speaking ability is limited but I can write and comprehend more than I can speak. Sentence structure is the biggest challenge, I think. That and the fact that Korean and Chinese are tonal languages while Japanese isn’t tonal (just like English isn’t tonal). And, of course, the writing systems. I’ve been wondering about Hanja since I heard and read about it while watching period K-Dramas and it would be great to learn more about it here! LOVE THIS CHANNEL!

Very interesting and helpful project for everyone who is willing to learn these languages, learning 漢字 may not be the very first step for beginners but they definitely are very useful tools on the way to being a fluent speaker.

I studied for HSK 6 from a book in korean, the best book I've found yet. Its a pity how these materials are not widely available in other languages.

I'm glad that you included traditional Chinese words, I thought foreigners normally only know simplified Chinese. Traditional Chinese is so beautiful~

there has to be a medal for this kind of charity work. thank you for your efforts

I love this! Please keep posting!

As a native Japanese, I notice a lot of similarities between Chinese when I study it. Splendid video I will implement this to my studying.

First language: Vietnamese Second language: English Attempted to learn: 1) Korean in middle school but stopped after learning the writing system and having trouble with the sentence order 2) Mandarin in high school but stopped after having trouble with tones in pinyin being completely different from Vietnamese tone accents I guess it’s time to relearn those two and add Japanese into the mix since I’m visiting Japan at the end of the year. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Might as well since I have little bits of everything from four years of high school French and one year of college German and ASL. Being interested in languages makes this challenge sound really fun so I’m looking forward to learning these 808 words!

Thank you! Hope your channel grows. This is very helpful

I found this video and this was really gaming changing for me, I'm a Brazilian who learned English and Spanish by my own, and since I like anime and kpop, I'm also studying Korean and Japanese, but I also like a lot the Chinese language, and I've noticed that a few things that I know in Korean helped me in Japanese, and also things that I've learned in Japanese helped me in Korean, but I though that was something from my head, it's good to know that is not hahahaha thank you for the content!

I’m a Chinese native speaker and I self learned Korean by myself with the help of my Chinese knowledge. Now, I’m trying to learn Japanese and I’m having troubles with writing form for it which are Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji. Even though its a different set of writing form compared to Chinese and Korean, I still have some help with the help of my Chinese knowledge as I can understand the meaning of some Japanese Kanji which have similar meanings to Chinese words. GOODLUCK to those learning this 3 language at the same time

This is literally a topic I've been thinking about since last year when I started learning Chinese. I had already studied Japanese for a couple years when I started learning mandarin, so I quickly caught on to some similarities and was curious about it but as you said there are close to none resources on this topic online and for English speaking ppl, so I can't thank you enough for this and your future videos 🛐 I subscribed and am gonna binge watch some now !

I tried to study Chinese and Korean both from scratch, at the same time, and in certain ways it was helpful to see the similarities and the origins of the words! It definitely threw me through a loop to do both at the same time 😂 I'm really excited about this project though! I think it's incredibly interesting and a great way to learn about the histories between all 3 countries/languages. I love the presentation of your videos - easy to understand, nice design, concise information :)

I'm living in Vietnam and learning Vietnamese a little bit each day, self-studying, not formally. Recently, I started studying Korean too and I'm noticing so many similar words between the languages. I understand that each of these languages exist in their own tree, but there are naturally many transferred words between the cultures and languages. The learning curve into Vietnamese is rather steep but, as the only SE-Asian language that uses a Latinate script as its official written form, it could be a useful stepping-stone for people who have zero experience with other such languages. The Vietnamese language is extremely diverse, absorbing multiple ethnicities' languages from throughout the region, including previously very-isolated mountain dwellers, and some Khmer language influences. The documentation of the language is also lacking, for example, there seems to be no formally-produced dictionary of the central-Vietnam vocabulary, with "official" Vietnamese focussing solely on the Hanoian form. Thus, using Vietnamese to ladder into these other SEA languages may not be so helpful but, if used in a strictly academic sense with pre-defined lists of comparable words and their morphological differences, it could be a useful key. It should be noted that Vietnamese is indeed its own language family, but it does contain a large number of Sino (Chinese)-origin words, many of which are in common daily use and often are used as the more formal form of a word, much like French-based English is the foundation of things like contracts and other legal speak. The Sino-Viet words are the ones most likely to be comparable to CKJ. Learning how the IPA works and exploring with controlling all aspects of the mouth has also been massively helpful for me. Armed with that, I was able to learn Vietnamese pronunciation in just a few weeks (although, living here, I'm always working on improving it), and I learnt Hangeul in a few hours and Korean pronunciation in a few days. Not to suggest that I'm perfect at it or even good, but the IPA base enabled my brain to make sense of it extremely quickly. In combination with my Vietnamese foundation, I now have a mental map of pronunciations of multiple languages, and am starting to recognise common pronunciation shift patterns between Vietnamese and Korean. Doubtless, learning Chinese pronunciation will fill the transition between these shifts because any shared vocabulary likely originated in one of the Chinese languages. As Mr. 808CJK mentioned, the comparative resources for CJK are not written in English, which is what led me to write this comment. Learning Vietnamese gives me the simple transition into SEA language concepts via the Latinate script (basically the Roman alphabet plus modifications: a â ă e ê o ô ơ u ư đ & tones on the vowels a á à ả ã ạ), and then learning Hangeul is simple because it is actually just a 2D alphabet. Once inside the SEA linguistic constructs (different to one another but seemingly relatively similar when compared to PIE languages) via Vietnamese and Korean, I imagine that mapping the vocabulary pronunciations to kanji and hanzi will be much simpler than coming directly from a Romance language. Additionally, for myself at least, reading block symbols is mentally complex and my eye movements (saccades, the way that eyes move rapidly between points, Google it for more info) are not yet trained for such reading. Transitioning from Vietnamese pronunciation and vocab into Korean pronunciation with Hangeul seems like it would be a good method to graduate my saccades and block-symbol processing unit, in preparation for grasping logograms (kanji, hanzi). This looks like a long path into it. It suits me because I'm living in Vietnam and I'm busy with other things, so, a slow but steady approach is fine for now. If you're interested in tapping into SEA languages immediately and you have no experience with CJK writing scripts, Vietnamese is immediately readable and thus rememberable, even if you can't pronounce it yet. For example: park : công viên : 공원 [gong-won] student : học sinh : 학생 [hag-saeng] animal : động vật : 동물 [dong-mul] singer : ca sỹ : 가수 [ga-su] chemistry : hóa học : 화학 [hwa-hag] room : phòng : 방 [bang] bread : bánh mỳ : 빵 [ppang] (from French "pan") (mỳ means wheat) Of course, Hangeul has RR (Revised Romanisation), which is certainly helpful, although I found it interfering with my Hangeul reading development. Additionally, many of the letter combinations wreak havoc with English digraph recognition, which took me a jolly-long time to disconnect from! Regardless, RR certainly helps to get into SEA languages via Korean :) eo is /ʌ/ (my brain wants to say eyoh) ae is /ɛ/ (my brain wants ehh) e is /e/ (my brain wants ee) eu is /ɯ/ (my brain wants ew)

Im learning Korean, I want to learn Chinese and Japanese but I was holding off in fear of confusing myself but I think I might try learning them all together

@makkonen0

2 жыл бұрын

I think they're far too different to mix up vocabulary.

@nope1948

2 жыл бұрын

I'm learning Korean and Japanese at the same time, I really want to learn Chinese but I'm also scared I might confuse myself

@nope1948

2 жыл бұрын

@Citrus idk, tbh I don't really care if they are similar or not, because at the end I dont want to write kanji or Chinese or hangeul, writing is not and reading is not my aim, all I want to know is how to speak and understand that language, because I wanna understand the dramas and series

@nope1948

2 жыл бұрын

@Citrus easy to you, to me there are alot of new sounds since im not a native English speaker, so pronunciation is so difficult, Japanese to me is easier, there's only one character that makes an unfamiliar sound, other than that we have it in my language

@nope1948

2 жыл бұрын

@Citrus also you said you have a Korean background, that's why it's easy to you, I don't have a Korean background, my native language is Arabic

This is so cool. Thank you for your hardwork!!! Edit: you should definitely promote your series on all the language learning reddit.

Yes that's a very cool idea and train of thought!! Will definitely give it a try! Thank you for sharing with us!!

This is an idea I've had for a while. I would keep a notebook, and each time i learn a new Chinese character, i would find the Japanese equivalent and note pronunciation, difference in writing and definition. I never got to it because i just don't know where to start.

@Failzz8

2 жыл бұрын

You don't need to know where to start, just do it, that's the only way.

I'm Native Chinese. I speak Chinese as my main language and learned English as my second language. It was till 2017 when I started learning Korean. At first it was hard but as soon I got the hang of it I started trying out on Japanese, which I started just last year. I thought Japanese would be hard but it really isn't for me. At first it's because Japanese tend to have a similar grammar structure like Korean so I got the hang of the grammar structure pretty quick, also it was pretty easy for me to figure out what some sentence might mean just by looking at the kanji and kind of connecting it to Chinese character and it actually made it easier for me to learn and memorize those words the Japanese way. Also after knowing Chinese and Korean I noticed there was a lot of words that sound the same too in all three of the language so that was also pretty easy, including some Japanese word that sound like the same in English. I guess knowing Chinese english and Korean really helped me a lot on learning Japanese to be honest and I think that would apply to other languages. The more language you learn, the more easier it is to learn other languages that is quite similar to the language you already know.

@aStoopidHuman

2 жыл бұрын

My Dad used to learn a bit of Japanese, and he would joke around saying that it couldn't decide to plagiarize who, so they copied both English and Chinese XD Nowadays I just grab some Japanese things, look at some familiar words and try and guess what the hell is that

I studied Japanese all four years of college, then ended up moving to China after graduating. Unfortunely my Japanese has deteriorated into nothing, I still occasionally remember a new Mandarin word easily because of it's phonetic similarity to Japanese. Thinking about the Sino-Japanese vocab and how most of the modern science words are related either in pronunciation or hanzi/kanji, I'm excited to see a channel like this grow and teach me. Gah I'm so excited!

HELL YEAH. This is brilliant. Thank you so much for creating this channel!

This sounds really fun! I hope you can add Vietnamese and Cantonese into the mix when you make the videos!

@resolutedreamer

4 ай бұрын

Yeh, I second this. Vietnamese and Cantonese

Im trying to learn both Mandarin and Japanese because I don't know where I want to live😅

Thanks for sharing. This should be super helpful. After studying Japanese for a couple of years now, I wanted to start Korean, because Chinese is so intimating (pronunciation). I might reconsider this after listening to your videos.

OMG this is what I've been searching for a year!! I love asian languages, I'm currently studying Korean and a little bit of japanese and I'm just starting with Chinese really thank you so much for this! 💕

Quite interesting fact about the Romace languages. I'm Brazilian, and we call them Latin languages (or languages from Latin countries), but I didn't know it was how they were called in english ^^

@will7922

2 жыл бұрын

"Língua romance" é bom português e bem comum. O português antigo era chamado de "romance".

@koagyaru

2 жыл бұрын

@@will7922 Comum? Posso perguntar de onde você é? Pois onde moro nunca vi esse termo, e quando nos referimos ao português antigo utilizamos o termo arcaico para isso

@pia_mater

2 ай бұрын

Em português também dizemos "linguas românicas" (por que elas vieram do Latin que era falado em Roma). O "romance" em "romance languages" também vem de "Roma"

I really want to learn Cantonese . I’m learning mandarin at the moment but I’ve heard the tones for Cantonese and just wooooow🤯🤯

@LuckycandyGachalife

2 жыл бұрын

my first langeage is Cantonese >:DD, I also can speak English and Mandarine but I wish to learn Japanese

This content is gold!! I'm a native portuguese speaker & fluent in english, studying japanese. This helped me a lot!!

excited to join you on this journey!

So I've been learning Korean for 4 years and there's no point in learning Hanja unless you actually want to learn Japanese/ Mandarin. Hanguel was specifically designed to provide a easy phonetic alphabet to replace Hanja because it is too time consuming. This comparative approach doesn't really apply to Korean because Hanja is effectively redundant in Korean today and in the case of words with a Chinese root such as 인 (person) this 1) doesn't cover the other words which also have the same meaning but are natively Korean and arguably more commonly used such as 사람 and 분 2) is something that can be picked up just through exposure to Korean without explicit knowledge of Hanja. For example, I can guess that 코인 (giant- literally big person) has something to do with people though knowledge of the root word 인. But I don't need to know the Hanja to know that. Basically if you want to learn Japanese and/ or Mandarin in addition to Korean, then Hanja might come in handy. But if you just want to learn Korean, Hanja is unnecessary and time-consuming

@sbjin87

2 жыл бұрын

Giant is 거인 not 코인. But I agree with your point. You do not need to know Chinese characters for Korean especially just at a daily conversational level. Where it comes handy is when you’re learning more technical/academic terms.

@peter9162

2 жыл бұрын

@@sbjin87 아, 말 실수했네요. 죄송합니다. 아무튼 제가 얘기 하고 싶은 핵심은 이런 외국어를 어떻게 배우는지 방법을 찾는 거 대신 그냥 배우고 싶은 언어를 많이 듣거나 읽으면 더 좋을 것 같은데요. 물론 한자를 배우면 나중에 다른 언어를 더 쉽게 배울수 있지만 시간 많이 뺏기고 대화를 하고 싶으면 효과적이지 있는 것 같아요. But learning Hanja is cool and all. I just wouldn't recommend it as an efficient method personally.

@hoorash

2 жыл бұрын

와 한국인 아니에요? 인터넷에서 본 외국인이 쓴 한국어 문장 중에서 가장 자연스럽네요. 원래 다른 사람들은 약간씩 어색한 부분이 있던데 그냥 한국인처럼 댓글 쓰시네. 어떻게 4년 만에 그래요?

I learned that learning these languages together my brain grows bigger and I can retain the information better do to the information confusion. Information overload. Or Cerebral CYBER COMPLEX

This video was just the thing I was searching about. Thank you so so much.

I've been learning Japanese for years, and I picked up Mandarin last year. I want to start Korean too. So this is great! I'll have a look into it

all of these languages are totally separate. the only similarity might be syntax, and even then that’s a coincidence. even though they’re all east asian and very close together, each are definitely separate. the three similarity is the use of Han, called Hanji or Hanchi in Korean, and Kanji in Japanese. Definitely a good idea to learn these separately. Best of luck.

@thefalconflame

2 жыл бұрын

Hanja in korean, not Hanchi..

@basogilak4576

2 жыл бұрын

@@thefalconflame its hanja or hancha. could be either. must’ve been a typo.

Urdu, arabic and farsi are a trio too!..

@orangee9487

2 жыл бұрын

Besides English, I know Bangla, Hindi and urdu.. so is it possible for me to learn Arabic and Farsi easily?? I'm a Bangali btw🐰

@blbubble2106

2 жыл бұрын

@@orangee9487 if you know atleast how to read and write urdu then, you can learn those 2 languages a bit easily... Arabic and farsi words in urdu are used at bit advanced level...(farsi words are tho more common than arabic!) While if you know urdu from hindi that might not help! Whatsoever! You can still learn them from scratch!...

@orangee9487

2 жыл бұрын

@@blbubble2106 thanks for your suggestion! Wall I can read and write Arabic but my vocabulary is literally zero!! On the other hand I can speak Urdu fluently (know the grammar too) but can't read them😅 totally weird, right??😂😂

@blbubble2106

2 жыл бұрын

@@orangee9487 this trio has different alphabets like in urdu there are more than in other twos.... So start learning with urdu it has all!

I've just watched your intro, and ordered Bodmers LoL right after :) Looking forward to learn a lot from your videos!

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED, THANKS, I'LL KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON YOUR CONTENT I think analytical study involving multiple languages of the same group and explaining their origins is the best way to learn them, I've been learning English since a very young age and know some latin from my native language's scientific terms and other latinisms. This allows me to read and understand a large portion of the French, Italian and Spanish texts I encounter and it can be super handy in some cases

Korean was one of the easiest language ive learned so far. Japanese however is indeed very hard

@MiyaMam948

2 жыл бұрын

Are you Chinese?

@satanstella

2 жыл бұрын

I’m learning Korean but Batchim is killing me

I know chinses and a few Japanese word

Such a cool project! Excited to see what's next

I subscribed, this is awesome! I cannot agree more that this is missing for English speaking people or any other language. I know of the existence of similarities, but it's always thought of separately for just Japanese, Korean, or just Chinese. It is super interesting to learn these 808 characters, either Kanji, Hanja, or hanzi again. I think I will have some easy, as I got a small background of Hanzi characters, but it is so interesting to know them in Korean and Japanese too!

Or I don't do this and use my phone instead.

@naoko707

25 күн бұрын

This

They are not one of the “world’s most difficult languages,” but rather ENGLISH SPEAKERS’S most difficult language. Even then, there are hundreds of languages harder than any of these.

this sounds amazing! so excited for this