This is my first ever video I actually put effort into so feedback would be great :D! edit: Man this has exploded much more than I ever thought it would, guess it's better to explain more things here than I have in the video and description. I think it's pretty clear I'm not an opinion-messiah if you find these games fun that's completely fine! Everybody is entitled to their opinion and isn't bound by something someone posted on the internet lmao. My main point I made here in this video is to stop feeding the mindset that bad games reward creators because if you have a community that just only focuses and likes games that had no effort or care put into it rather than actual effort is a horrible mindset that shouldn't be pandered to. I hope this clears up stuff and especially the sentiment that I've been seeing that makes it seem like you "NEED TO HATE ALL SOUL OPS FANGAMES!!!!!" because you really don't.

@Shawn-DIONNE

Жыл бұрын

I think some parts needs to be speed up like you did at 14:17 But something like at 6:50 do need to be speed up or put how many are there, it’s feel unnecessary and a bit boring in my opinion. That’s basically it, This is pretty good for your first video Vivyy I hope you continue making them :) -Shawn

@RevengeEntity

Жыл бұрын

bro the models in avenge ops arent free models 💀 💀 💀

@Vivyylet

Жыл бұрын

@@RevengeEntity For the actual characters you play that is true, however the models in the badge images and the models used for the bosses themselves that you fight in the game, it's quite literally the free model chiknlord synapsed model everyone knows at this point. It was wrong to broadly state that rather than explain it in the video first but I've done so now.

@rbexcess

Жыл бұрын

Actually pretty solid, you deserve more subs smh

@nathanmay6357

Жыл бұрын

Good video

im a retired avenge ops dev and the game used to have better models, i got replaced cuz one of the devs made the game open source and was fired, so my models got stolen and i got replaced by some "modeler" that just used trashy freemodels and stole my designs for avenge fell and outer avenge extremely late edit: since this comment got alot of attraction, the avenge ops remaster is still wip and testers feedback is mostly "this game is a buggy mess" and "the only good thing about this game is the visuals",

@SiivagunnerWoodmanNice

Жыл бұрын

oh and btw they made the avenge fell design worse, the only design that was untouched was outer's

@SiivagunnerWoodmanNice

Жыл бұрын

the game was made by farzin even tho foureal created the baseplate, farzin literally stole my models but i forgave him and i became friends with him

@SiivagunnerWoodmanNice

Жыл бұрын

farzin did get kicked out of the dev team for no apparent reason besides him stealing scripts and models

@SiivagunnerWoodmanNice

Жыл бұрын

atleast the remaster of avenge ops wont be literal dog water as actual devs and talented scripters/builders will be helping

@Wedxee

Жыл бұрын

@@SiivagunnerWoodmanNice cool

biggest problem that can exist in fangames like these are massive amounts of unbalanced characters and bosses

@kubanrhs1310

11 ай бұрын

So does the original

@trollge4325

11 ай бұрын

@@kubanrhs1310 yeah true

@ElEpicoGeometria

3 күн бұрын

Man TMSA i played a lot and uts very unbalanced

i am truly sorry you had to suffer through all of this partially because of me at least it produced a good video though 🤪 also why tf does avenge ops even exist avengetale wasnt in the original game??? how did he even get popular i genuinely dont know at this point

@XxRandom_guyXx

Жыл бұрын

For avenge ops the playerbase are probaly huge drugs addicts and the devs too

@supersteven173

Жыл бұрын

as the former avenge ops trello manager, i have no idea how it got popular but i guess roblox undertale fans will play anything nowadays

As a beginner scripter the statement at 15:16 is so true I made a game with waves included that isn't loosely based off of undertale it just shares very similar gameplay with soul ops. It being based off of Roblox lore in order for it to be unique makes nobody notice or care. Yet these free model kits get 100 active players meanwhile mine gets 90 visits it just pisses me off see something so easy to make get 10x more traction then a solo passion project that took months and months make. However my game (Bux-Defenders) is nowhere near perfect its got a few bugs that rarely happen but are very hard to fix and the balancing is rather mediocre at best. Like most soul ops games my friends gave me the same criticism. "The waves are boring but the bosses are fun and interesting" . Without the waves the game would be getting carried simulator and that would make it so much worse.

A lot of these people are simply passionate about the game, and may have wanted to take a slightly different approach to the game genre. Additionally, these could be projects in order for a developer to progress in their programming journey. These games aren't flat out "horrible", as stating that would be subjective. Games that are loved and hated will exist, and I think it would be best to provide constructive criticism over complete hate to the game's creators. Though, that is my opinion. You will not have to agree with me.

@Vivyylet

Жыл бұрын

If a second pin option existed this would be the second pin, I agree with a lot of what your saying and I think I'd better elaborate more about why I made this video. I feel like I could have been less harsh with what I said in this video, a lot of motivation that came to me for this video was how unfair I thought it was that devs making these quickly thrown together games were getting LOADS of money and much more attention than developers that actually work their heart out and make actual quality games. I shouldn't have let that bother me as much as it did so I do wish I was a lot less harsh sounding here in this video than I was. I didn't intend to send hate to the creators of these games when establishing this video but if that actually was a result of this video I really do feel bad about that. Yes! It's subjective whether someone thinks a game is good or bad, I hold nothing against anyone who enjoys these games however I do think that I could have been a lot more constructive than flat out making fun of the games shown in this video. I think for the future I should do a much better job explaining that and getting the point across. Lastly: It won't always be true that a dev is making a game to get better, some people choose to make games on Roblox studio's engine for the sake of making them because as everyone knows by now, the Roblox studio engine is not hard to use which is what makes free model games easy to throw together with 0 experience and some people do not desire to get better either but obviously that isn't everyone. Thank you! I personally found this comment helpful for what I can do in the future for video essays like this one.

@FirepowerIGuess

Жыл бұрын

@@Vivyylet I apologize if I came out a bit obnoxious or rude. Your response is respectable, and I do understand where you're coming from. From that side of the story, I totally agree with where you're coming from. Personally, I think the matter is just getting as much research as possible on both sides before making a verdict, though, yes, I do understand where you are coming from.

@aimbot4arrowz982

Жыл бұрын

@@Vivyylet For the line "didn't intend to send hate", you did come off hateful. I know this, because if you check on The Multiverse Souls AU right now, well... I'll let you see for yourself.

@kokichiouma4267

Жыл бұрын

ok

@aimbot4arrowz982

Жыл бұрын

@@kokichiouma4267 such a heartwarming response

this is one of the videos of all time

nice video you winned a new sub

To be honest undertale fake ops was my first soul ops fanmade game i have played, and it's actually better than the original.

1:31 YOOOOO THATS ME hanjie101010 IM STILL HERE! (R.I.P Avenge ops…)

I have an idea of a soul ops fangame where you solo to get the full experience with some cutscenes that would look cool thats the soul ops I would make and would be a good one if i can make it but since i suck at my making roblox games and im only 13 years old and didn't get into developing experience I might need tips from devs here

@yona3271

Жыл бұрын

btw the name could be solo ops like dust hp is 4444 and fell only is 1700 and sans only dodges and swap sans has only 2100 hp thats it i want help to actually be able to know how i could make a game

@yona3271

Жыл бұрын

i made 3 sans vs chara in obby creator but idk what i could make in roblox studio.

nice video keep going on :3

@naveyhh

Жыл бұрын

Hi

someone with lower subscribers then me and has effort put into their video's.. I guess this is an example of what the video's talking about, the high quality games always get overlooked by something with less quality- Also keep up the editing and stuff its sick! also I wasn't trying to be mean sorry if you take it that way.

You put unfair ops in the thumnail, but never review it mid video? 🤔

I feel like I am getting Mandela Effected rn, I remember this one game that was similar to soul ops where instead of protecting souls you have to protect a frisk. You also have can't pick per se, an incredibly powerful character at the beginning you have to wait for the waves to pass by before you can use said powerful characters. I was looking through my old badges but I couldn't find the game I was looking for. Can someone pls tell me the name of the game?

@1ol000

9 ай бұрын

Late but the game is called Undertale Fight the Aus

Awesome video

For a first video this is just pure on factual.

The reason i play soul ops clones is because theres simply nothing left to do in the original. The game pretty much ends after you cap at tier 5, and by then youve already beaten error. The reason that all of the clones are boss rushes is because a majority of the community finds swarm gameplay to be tedious and annoying, the bosses being the main appeal of the game.

@Vivyylet

Жыл бұрын

I feel like that's the disconnect for me since I think you can't have it both ways, I don't like games that only do bosses and I don't like games where the run time is taken up by waves either, it's hard to nail the middle for these things in my mind. I thought USSDG did a great job as a soul ops game but sadly the owner is obsessed with remaking his already good game. Another thing is that I don't really find the games themselves the problem it's just the profit margin these games get that become a problem because a lot of these games simply don't deserve the Robux they make, take the AgentDevilSans guy for example: he literally brags about his limiteds on his profile that he got by making a messy game that makes the Undertale community look bad. Obviously though everybody has a different perspective, I respect that.

@charact6165

Жыл бұрын

@@Vivyylet Thats undertstandable, and with what you like, i would recommend Typical Soul Ops. It has both waves and a boss rush, one of the wave AUs being completely original.

@godseekeryhar

Жыл бұрын

i’m going to be honest agentdevilsans deserves to be beamed/logged way more than arda (the dwfb) guy at this point

@syep12

Жыл бұрын

did you just say by the time your tier5 youve already beaten error

@charact6165

Жыл бұрын

yeah?

i only play these fangames for the badges, you already know how many they have.

@Vivyy The avenge ops game is getting a new game called Avenge ops:Revamped and its currently in the works rn

It soul ops the multiverse Aus actually used to be very simple and mostly original, but more and more mods/builders. If you get to tier 100 you see why it has a option for asking... I have 20k tiers and am one of the OGs, I miss the old version...

@unidentified_luigi

Жыл бұрын

Me too

ahhh the game multiverse souls au called you out the game is now named: The multiverse souls Au {Hello vivyy}

The game's getting a new work on it (Multiverse souls au) so rate it again if you'd like, it's still wip tho

The fact that avenge ops has the worst community aswell. the owner banned me because i tried helping the discord server and i banned one of their staff for sending nsfw, and then i got banned 💀

@myusernameisnotgone601

Жыл бұрын

Bro you are not telling the full story

@yeahnvmnvm1331

Жыл бұрын

Is that fr coming from a guy who lied about killing himself and is a horny mf?

@PhanixThe

8 ай бұрын

Where is part 2 of this history ?

Keep it up you are my inspiration

Can you do: the best soul ops fan games?

one thing you got wrong. dusted soul ops was one of the best soul op games, it just got hacked by a hacker who then also hacked another good soul ops game.

A game that is unique but is hard af is UT:Corrupted Defense, like no one plays it but has polish to it

I think you should make a video about good soul ops fangames

Hmm Nice video!

whats the avenge ops link i wana play it but i cant find it

oh didnt even notice my “fight the insanity ops” was on this, even tho i used all of my own coding ye i can agree it was low effort, i made that during a time i wasnt really available to update it.

you don't know how hard it us even making a game man, some of us can't hire people to make models for them

ima be honest random code could had a worse rating but I appreciate the 1.1 even though even the creator doesn't like his own game btw the game is currently private to his friends only and there's a decent chance its never coming back

@speedrunkfasti2971

Жыл бұрын

I heard that guy kept getting banned for making games

@enderrot

Жыл бұрын

The game is private cause it's getting a complete re-balance The bossses won't have as much hp anymore The characters won't be as op There will be a tier limit (Pretty sure 5 or 10 or smth like that.) And more.

Most of these games are just straight up an souls ops boss rush copy that they just add an extra boss at the end

these games were supposed to give s ops vibe but u get cancer instead

Woah man, i really laughed 😐. 1. You're legit saying that they're "cheap" models but they're made of the game's creator. 2. You made no ops games and you're saying that all of them are "Copies" of soul ops, they're just like variants of It. 3. You get mad because of the "grammar errors" or the game is too hard for you. 4. You say that you always get carried, then HOW did that people get these tiers? Hacking to use the best character?

@ToastedMarshmellow002

Жыл бұрын

Also can we all agree that all of us wanted to be carryed one time only to advance?

@Vivyylet

Жыл бұрын

I had a feeling someone would come in here with a sentiment like this at some point so I'll just address these now so I don't have to later: (1.) not sure what game you're referring to with the models either way it doesn't matter because each model in each game I reviewed here aren't that good, they're bad models. You don't need to be a modeler to know and not know a bad model when you see one. as for avenge ops? Models used in the thumbnail for badges and boss models are all free models that are stolen, I get the creator made the game as a joke but that doesn't mean everyone else takes it that way. (2.) You don't need to make a game to know what makes a game good or bad. Something you didn't seem to understand was that these games are made with a free model kit used for soul ops boss rush games, they were not created organically and were just a template to be added onto. Saying they aren't variants means nothing because these games, well.. are just copies. They use the same ideas from other games and recycle them, that is not a variant. example: flame eye dust is an event you see in almost all these games for some reason. (3.) Weird to think I'd be mad about a grammar error since I find it funny more than anything else, and these games aren't hard in anyway they're just poorly constructed to the point where difficulty is basically not even in the equation anymore it's just downright unfair, you're either too weak to do a dent so you take ages killing the boss or you're never going to get killed by the boss and you do tons of damage. The mindset that a game should make you take forever to go anywhere and then when you do finally get somewhere the bosses that once were a struggle are now the easiest thing ever is a really poor idea game design-wise. (4.) Well that's just easy to answer and doesn't take much thinking to find the answer for either. The people who make these games play it with people when it's newly released, they carry said people and those people who got carried start carrying other players and so on. This isn't hard to figure out, and if I might add, carrying has to be the least fun way to enjoy a game at all, of course people have gotten carried before me saying that doesn't tell you that: "you shouldn't EVER" because that's simply not what I was saying. Done and done.

@ToastedMarshmellow002

Жыл бұрын

@@Vivyylet sand ops is not bad tho

@ToastedMarshmellow002

Жыл бұрын

And tottaly balanced soul... well the desc says everything

Greetings, could I ask for some suggestions on what you think makes a soul ops game good?

@dynamitoriel9056

Жыл бұрын

The problem with most soul ops is none of them try something new or make game interesting (plus Very unbalanced gameplay and other thing that remove the fun of the game)

@dibs6462

Жыл бұрын

@@dynamitoriel9056 I have a soul ops game im making with some players and im looking for some suggestions so that my gamae doesnt fall into those unspecial ones, thanks for the suggestion pal

@dynamitoriel9056

Жыл бұрын

@@dibs6462 no problem

@toby-we3zj

Жыл бұрын

hi dibs

fun fact: I know the modeler of avenge ops 2 so I got early access, and believe me, for no reason they just made the game 100X better. Good on them man.

burger king is fun to work at cuz you say 'i walked to burger king, then i walked back home from burger king'

in the first one its just Reapertale's sans guard but then after that its just a dumpster fire

The link of avege ops?

i play random code and after all the bug fixes and lag fixes its actually a pretty good game

To be fair avenge ops is getting a full remaster now

@goni_vodky2027

Жыл бұрын

Legit name itself speak up for the game

You should replay Random Code Souls Op Rush since the game got a full rework

I agree... BUT... i think the reason why soul ops fell off is because well it gets no updates anymore. while these new ones get updates reguarly or monthly.

(In my opinion) random code has gotten a lot better now and isn’t as bad as you think I mean Ik this was posted a while ago and when watching it I didn’t know how bad random code USED to be but now it is a lot better

I think undertale soul Ops dev was working for come back making undertale soul ops 2

Old Random Code Ops Was Pretty Much Getting Raided From Alot Of Hackers

@NimDaBlue

Жыл бұрын

They Are Working On The Game

THAT FRICKIN MULTIVERSE AU MADE ME LOSE ALL MY TIERS AND SANSES LIKE B.U.T.T.E.R.F.L.Y ERROR 404

@bustilloeleenn105

Жыл бұрын

Btw have you tried totally balanced souls ops boss rush? The one with reaper sans thumbnail

the original soul ops was so good to play :(

The sans with 6 souls person in code ops is amusingly bad at beating insanity with an end game character

Multiverse souls AU is more similar to a ballsack with cancer than an actual game.

Thought i saw the model in multiverse souls au before, because the sans model seemed quite familiar lol

7:20 Fanon Underswap exists bud. And fanon VHS.. And fanon wiki.

Atleast none of these fangames have result time trio! Right? Right?

Soul ops boss rush Extended will be alive for a while

insanity ops is rusty cause it just started to get developed so why'd you do this to that game man

Everyone have their own option, some people like these games.

I agree this fangame suck especially the multiverse souls au like they just added every single sans au and make a GAINT mess like why the heck are the bosses have like more than a million hp and why almost all characters have like 4 or 3 attack that it.

10:47 and how is it supposed to be? High level players are mot allowed to play the game and low level players should do all waves?

@ROAD76705

Жыл бұрын

carrying basically defeats the whole purpose of the game.

Hello, Vivyy, I am apart of the Avenge Ops Development team! And honestly... yeah the game sucks LOL

@RobloxianLittleDev

Жыл бұрын

We got gaslighted.

@toedestroyerhater2346

Жыл бұрын

@@RobloxianLittleDev word

@RobloxianLittleDev

Жыл бұрын

@@toedestroyerhater2346 wat

@unidentified_luigi

Жыл бұрын

@@RobloxianLittleDev letter

Dang it took it 1 whole year to die. It was quite nice playing it(dead cause remake)

wait till you see unfair ops, its decent but i got timed out on the discord for saying "me evidence: trust me bro" in an event

W video Soul Ops fangames are complete dogwater. For some reason there's like a 100 fangames and there's only 1 good one. (DSOR)

You should try Undertale: Deal with forgotten bosses This is game is pretty good, even though the models are kind of bad. This game has (mostly) no dialogue except for secret characters. The game does not update anymore :(

@hyperfilip6087

Жыл бұрын

it isnt good

@ios318

Жыл бұрын

@@hyperfilip6087 yeah ik

nice beatbox error sans! 0:27

I remember Multiverse Soul Ops, On my first day I got over 100,000

Believe it or not, I played avenge ops,and the multiversal souls before, and all I can say, Is that they are some of the worst games I've ever played. Like avenge ops I tried playing but every server I entered was broken on wave 11, it made no sense. Then the multiversal souls was just to overwhelming to even play, thanks to 1 million different waves, and way to many events.But moral of the story, I learned how bad they were. The hard way. (Btw it would be cool if you made a video about actually good soul ops clones.)

@RobloxianLittleDev

Жыл бұрын

Then stop playing soul's ops then 💀

@RobloxianLittleDev

Жыл бұрын

@@shortboy9874 I'm actually the owner 💀

@goobeeeer

Жыл бұрын

@@RobloxianLittleDev your game is absolute garbage. Go consume a plastic bottle lol1!1!1!1!1

@RobloxianLittleDev

Жыл бұрын

@@goobeeeer sorry i Don't speak too losers.

@goobeeeer

Жыл бұрын

@@RobloxianLittleDev can't speak to his own kin smh

tbh, I play the multiverse souls au. And I find it fun after you get 100 tiers, which is easy to get

@TheComedianOfBeingDumb

11 ай бұрын

Oh yeah btw this ain’t a hate comment, I’m just saying don’t hate on it too much. I usually find it a bit irritating that people thinks games that are pretty badly made. Even though the devs tried their best, I mean you cant straight up judge it already because of the models right? Maybe you've been a bit harsh but like. The gamepasses there don’t rlly cost as much. Considering it’s not too much of a 'p2w' because usually those are like 1k or 2k+ either way I find it very fun for me. You don’t need to agree with me. I’m just saying please don’t get too harsh with games that devs put work into. Sure they can be bad either way you shouldnt just judge it. Edit: hi.

random ops will get huge reworked.

Me wondering why he put sand ops wich sand ops devs actually are making effort and stuff and making an remake tbh why did ya put it there? just an question

@Vivyylet

Жыл бұрын

I originally put it in the video since sand is so lazy that he only began to work on his game again when one of his dev's quit and deleted his assets that he made. Not that the game is necessarily bad, just boring as all hell in my opinion, doesn't help that sand still has his true pain game open which is just openly supporting a groomer. I'll probably play and possibly review the Sand Ops remake when it comes out.

@Vivyylet

Жыл бұрын

@@shortboy9874 Yes, I'm not going to talk about that here on KZread though, if you want to know about that then you can join Truslaw's Discord server and read the expose' for yourself which was made back in September and spring admitted to and gave as many fake apologies as he could before ultimately leaving his server behind.

@levisiqueira745

Жыл бұрын

Ah i understand makes sense.

@Vivyylet

Жыл бұрын

@@shortboy9874 discord.gg/Mx9FUg2K

@sand_underman3991

Жыл бұрын

@@shortboy9874 huh

Bruh it's so sad i got banned from the original game 😢

ok but can we talk about what the hell a "multiverse souls au" is?? The name sounds like it was mashed together to sound "cool" or "edgy" or whatever the hell the creator was thinking

I recognise multiverse souls au the chars are so unbalanced

Nah fam.even my grandma can make a better list.like some are the ogs i played.even tho they were bad.THEY WERE GOOD IN THEIR OWN WAY avenge ops:pretty challanging bosses.good music.getting secret bosses hell Multiverse soul ops:cmon thats an og.they have 1 tiny issue,lack of attacks on tier 100+ Random code ops:cant say anything eles than lag. Like cmon they tried why you gotta call em lazy,LIKE WHAT THE HELL DO YOU MEAN LAZY.THEY TRIED YOU MOTHER F-

7:22 vhs is SO OVERRATED THANK YOU

Avenge ops has literally the most unknown sanses

Bro is roasting king 😂😂

il change ur mind about vhs rn dust avenge exists

the multiverse souls au is good game to me

@Iceking55415

Жыл бұрын

i even have over 100k tiers on it

@gotomychannelforfreerobux1946

Жыл бұрын

Average no lifer that get carried by pros in the past

@10_p93

Жыл бұрын

@@Iceking55415 thats the most depressing thing ive heard on the internet

@RobloxianLittleDev

Жыл бұрын

@@10_p93 dont you guys understand that your just insulting a kid.

@youn605

Жыл бұрын

@@10_p93 i agree

nah im scared because i have a soul ops game 😬

Part 2 pls

undertale fall of the multiverse was sooo dam cool and good and fun

Make a video about my obby game km and stuff 😀🤯🥶

This video is basically a T3rr0r video explaining how bad the game is

I don't particularly think hyper LV 99 was HORRIBLE of an au character, I think it more ot less comes down to the fact that it gets so overused in so many games

@Dragonfire-ir5ln

Жыл бұрын

Granted hyperdust isn't a great au either since it basically has no story, but it is a little interesting, just nothing really there, which isn't exactly horrible, just kinda there

damn gotta agree with you i hate all of them, i remember how i got banned on discord server of 2nd game because i said that emojis are strange (pban)

I just found a horrible soul ops game with 400 active players!

I do play mutilverse soul I get why but I don’t find it annoying to me the only ones are besides players are toxin sans, dealdy sans, characters that are crap to get like underverse dream and the new update if toxin can’t even do good then he tops the wasted area like the game boring to me even though I have firewall

In my opinion unfair ops is the 2nd most trash fan game because your data can get easily wipe and admin abuses and also you get kick for entering a character that you don't have the requirement for instead of getting oof

@parkermatthews7595

Жыл бұрын

I disagree with your opinion!

huge W

hold up you calling my friend game is horrible

im a moderately good solo developer, doing my stuff, sadly nobody notices. Effort is a funny thing huh?

15:32 your right. it sucks. it even banned me for nothing. his moderation sucks. even they banned me for nothing. they think i have done something. they think i hacked, they think i did something bad. but i didn't all i did was play the game and boom they banned me.

I Met my friend in this video wow…

Now I have been playing Soul ops before Firewall and hellspawn even existed, but GOLLY these fangames are AWFUL. I feel like no REAL effort was put into it. It's just all copy and paste with a bigger damage script being added onto to that different "Sans" Or "Papyrus". Whichever they choose. Either way, very great video at explaining how most fangames are just lazily made instead of just adding a TOUCH of effort to it.

best soul ops fangame is soul ops boss rush extended change my mind

I could already tell by the like to view ratio there was boutta be a war in this comment section.

@CoolestofDudes

Жыл бұрын

I was correct.

ngl i like random code soul ops-