1:20 "The casino is not going to allow you to play a fair game." A blanket statement that applies to every game in every casino.

@jonthemagician666

2 жыл бұрын

It's TRUE, but that's in the long run.... its doesnt apply to the short term.....

Always worth the refresher course, thanks for the video sir

About 6 years ago I made a $700 lay on the 4 at Rivers in Des Plaines Illinois I was happy to win $350 but they made a mistake and charged me a $35 vig based on my $700 lay. I explained to them but I couldn't win the argument against the boxman and casino staff. I took my winnings and left.

Nicely done. Thanks, Jeremy.

I did a "test roll" at Red Hawk Casino, Placerville, CA using a simple "Lay 4" strategy for about 3 hours with a $300 bankroll, $5 table minimum and $40 bets. The vig. was taken out up front. I netted about $140. ( I also played Ace-Duce side bets for $1 from time-to-time and hit once so the net figure is within a few dollars of the actual figure netted on the lay 4 bets.)I was a definite grind, but I think it would be a good hedge with a more aggressive strategy.

Wow, I'm the 4th comment! I love your videos. Always great content. -- These people, and their 7's. Don't they know that any bet is a risk? -- I've never made a lay bet before, because of the reversed odds. But, this refresher... it reminds me of how I hedge on Roulette with betting 2 & 3rd twelve. Betting 10 to win 5, or betting 20 to win 10... but with a 2/3rd chance to win.

Headed to Vegas tomorrow...your vids are primo. I always lay the 4 as my first bet on the table to get me warmed up. Before the new roll, the advantage for the darkside player is 2:1/66%. But that number increases after the four comes out. Lay the 4 or 10 after they show. If you see them come out twice during the roll of an average shooter, then increase your bet. I never lay if I know a dice setter is rolling, especially if the shooter has a huge stack of chips.

@MindTrain17

5 жыл бұрын

Great tip! Hope u did well in Vegas. Headed to Laughlin this Sunday. Trying to gather more knowledge on betting.

@Johannes00

4 жыл бұрын

"But that number increases after the four comes out." Sorry, but all rolls are independent of the previous result.

@Ericwkgnil

3 жыл бұрын

@@Johannes00, he is speaking on the experience and casino he goes to. Doesn’t sound like you have either!

@Johannes00

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ericwkgnil Gambler's Fallacy.

@Ericwkgnil

3 жыл бұрын

@@Johannes00 ever heard of of this saying, "if you have no business in this then leave!"

A Nicely Done Explanation, Thank you

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

Cool, thanks for watching!

Since lay and buy bets are related, and come bets and dc bets are related. What is related to place bets?

Question : Lay Bet are ON for the Come Out roll... and a 7 (which wins for the table) wins for you?

Thanks for the knowledge

When I make this bet at ceasers property, they expect the commission up front and they keep it if you lose.

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, probably the most common way i think

great video, now I know how it works. not sure if I would do lay bets. I still like the iron cross best

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

I don't do lay bets just because of the larger upfront investment

I live in the Chicago-area and lately our local casinos and the casinos in Indiana have implemented $25 minimum bet craps tables, I was wondering if you had any strategies to help make $100 or $200 last a long time at a $25 table for those of us that like to play the pass line with place bets or come bets. I really dislike playing at $25 tables but it's all we really have available, the comments seen at these tables are point 7 out.

Do you think it'd be worthwhile to do an episode about rounding in general?

Awesome info! Do you have any strategies that utilize lay bets vs buy bets??

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, they coming just wanted info out first so I can refer people with questions

You can make a Lay/No bet at a stadium style craps machine at one of my Casinos for the minimum of just $5 which is nice because then you can do a martingale system before you get into big money.

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Another reason I like the craps machines, you can make bets with lower limits, and "incorrect amounts" because they pay to the penny usually.

@manbeastx69

5 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp Correct, paying to the penny, lower limits and a lot of other advantages that you get with craps machines and dont get at the tables along with disadvantages and annoyances.

Perfect! Great video. Can you do the same for Come Bets and Don't Come Bets, both with and without ODDs. Or is that just redundant? Thanks.

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

I cover come and don't come pretty thoroughly in my beginner how to series

@sledgenail-it4269

5 жыл бұрын

Okay

Question here: Am I able to turn a lay bet on during a come out roll? If I'm able to and if a 7 rolls, am I paid out or is my bet lost to the casino? (I don't know if this is allowed or not)

@ColorUp

3 жыл бұрын

Lay bets are always on by default anime yes it would win on a come out 7

Quick question: How is a lay bet affected by the come out roll? Let's say I have a lay bet on the 4...does a 7 on the come-out roll win (as long as I didn't tell the dealer to make my lay bet OFF)? Is my lay bet on 4 not affected by any other number on the come-out roll (except 4)?

@ColorUp

Жыл бұрын

You got it. A lay bet is always working whether come out roll or not. And only the number bet against and 7 matter. Any seven will win, hitting the number will lose.

Have you ever done a video on testing out the following strategy (I've come up with this idea as I watched this video):- Lay the 4 and 10 AND Place the 6 and 8. I think this strategy might work under the theory that a shooter keeps rolling 6,7,8. Would be interested to see such video.Thanks. Love your videos. Keep it up!

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve done similar I believe, but never with the thought of “betting on the 3 most probable numbers to be rolled 6/7/8” thx for sparking thought process for me, might need to make video with that in mind.

@xxchet22xx

4 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp Is this the strategy you developed for use in your challenge against Throwing Thunder? It is an intriguing approach (except when the 5 hits about 20 times...)

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

Well, I did just give it a try because fresh in my mind

@jonthemagician666

2 жыл бұрын

That's no different from any other strategy.......

@tweso1499

Жыл бұрын

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Laying the 4 and 10 on the come out roll is real smart because that's when the 7 comes up the most whether you're playing the pass line or the don't pass it could be a slight hedge. Also, laying the 4 or 10 after the come out roll when either comes out twice before the 7 is a good idea

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter when you make the lay bet, the seven has a 1 in 6 chance of showing on every roll.

@DonovanF

5 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp question. If you make a lay bet Like for example the 4 and 10 Should you take it down at any point?

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

@@DonovanF well it doesn't change odds or math any, if you feel like the number will be hit take it down, otherwise the 7 is most likely number to be rolled, so chances are its better to leave up than take down, thats the tricky part of gambling ha

@donwelch6612

2 жыл бұрын

@@DonovanF remember...if you lay BOTH the 4 and the10 you now have six chances to lose and six chances to win. make sure you're ok with that.

@shirleyrichard-qv9lw

9 ай бұрын

Good teaching

Have you done any videos where you Layed either the 4 or 10 to hedge your inside place bets?

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

I think so, not sure which ones, would have been older videos

2 Questions: What about place to lose? What are their house advantages/payouts?

@Ericwkgnil

3 жыл бұрын

He explained it in the beginning of this video; at around 2:55 marker.

@jimklemens5018

3 жыл бұрын

It's called a Lay bet.

how do you calculate the exact amount of bet you have to place in order to win what you want? & same question with the Buy bets???

@jimklemens5018

3 жыл бұрын

You would use the odds on the bet to calculate what you win.

One fun lay bet a person can do. Is lay bet all the numbers before the shooter rolls on the come out roll. If a shooter rolls a point you will only lose one of your lay bets. Shooter rolls a craps 2 or 3 or 12 then your in trouble, unless you have some chips on 3 bad craps numbers as a hedge which is located in the horn bet area.

@ColorUp

Ай бұрын

Typically called “laying the back wall” but a roll of craps, would not effect any of these lay bets.

@wiseman4160

Ай бұрын

@@ColorUp Thanks! that I didn't know. I knew that for when the point is established, learn something new everyday.

Usually not my thing because the minimum for these are so high. BUT i sometimes will do it if there is 1 number to hit to make them all. So if there is only the 9 left to hit for the all, I'll probably lay that because its a win win for me.

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, common strategy

Good video. A couple thoughts. 1. The higher min for lay bets makes your cession bankroll larger. 2. The larger ying/yang for craps, there’s no trend other than instincts. 3. Why even do DC and COME bets if you can lay them? 4. Why even play the pass line for 10.00 or a low amount? The opposite would be to parlay a winning point to the pass line bc of the 7. 5. A player can bet larger amounts on place bets then take them down instead of this come bet 10.00, why? 6. Betting the no 10 or 4 or any number on the come out for a 7? 7. We realize why these questions go around and around bc everything is random and instincts and how to leverage press houses money is the key. 😎

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, no "right" answer - the dice results dictate

@Adambikesrochester

5 жыл бұрын

Come bets for the ability to add free odds and lower the house edge. DC bets once you get past the initial roll you now have a mathematical edge over the casino, vs lay bet that pays fair odds. I'm a dark side player and always lay the 4 for $60 on the come out roll with a $10 DP and take the bet down after the point's established. That way I net $20 when a 7 pops and shifts my risk to the 4 and 11.

@chankd3321

4 жыл бұрын

@@Adambikesrochester Hedging doesn't work (ever). You end up with no change in house advantage with that strategy. But if it's fun, do it. :)

@ihavehotmail2

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Deutsch what does DP stand for ?

@DrJoe378

4 жыл бұрын

The lay bets pay the odds the DC pays 1-1 say the point is 4 a 7 rolls with the DC you are paid 1-1 ($10 pays $10) If I lay bet on the 4 it pays 1-2 ($10 pays for a $20 bet minus the vig) So if the four hit I lose $10 on the DC but $20 on the lay.

Great video, clear info thanks a lot.

@ColorUp

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked thanks

Is it possible to lay bets like "place bets?" Meaning it pays 6:7 on the 8 rather than 5:6 with 5% vig

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

There is a such thing as “place to lose” bet. But wizard of odds website says only available in Australia

Color Up thanke great video

Why do I not see strategies that involve laying all six numbers? It seems like that would be an easy payoff.

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure, you certainly could. if the average roll is 8.5 rolls, that means people at least roll a couple numbers, and so some of those lay bets would lose. There is no easy way to win in the game of craps, everything has been tried. Casino always has an edge.

Two questions, 1) if the point is 4 or 10, do you do the other one? 2) when a new point is about to be rolled, is it in your advantage to keep it or remove it? And finally my plan is to do $135 across, put $270 on lay 4 and $25 on hard 4, making it only the 1 and 3 where i lose. Thoughts??

@ColorUp

3 жыл бұрын

Remove the lay? It’s always more likely to win vs lose, no matter when in the game. Many people play the hard way to hedge the number a little. Hedges protects if the hard number rolls, but don’t win as much if 7 rolls…so just depends what rolls.

@JoshGeorgeReel

3 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp makes sense to me. I just wasn’t sure if any other roles hurt the lay bet when there’s no point. Like a snake eyes, three, 11 or anything like that. Also another question when doing 135 across how much do you put on each number? What if the point is for? Sorry for all the questions

@ColorUp

3 жыл бұрын

So across bet means all the numbers, $160 across would be $25 on the 4,5,9,10 and $30 on 6/8. Most people play pass line and cover a number that way. So then it would be $135 across, or $130 across if point/pass line bet is on the 6 or 8

Good info. thank you

Thank you.

If I lay 370 across 50 on the 4 and 10 75 on the 5 and 9 and 60 on the 6 and 8 and I had to pay the vig up front is the vig 10 dollars total or 12

@ColorUp

3 жыл бұрын

It will depend on the casino and whether they round up or down. Based on $25 win the vig is $1.25. I think most would round down to $1. On $50 win the vig is $2.50, so they could round to $2 or $3

@armandodiaz4037

3 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp thanks

Can you make a lay bet and a don't pass bet at the same time?

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

Yes

Can you make a lay bet after the point is established?

@ColorUp

Жыл бұрын

Can make a lay bet at anytime

I have yet to see a casino that allows you to pay the vig after the win on a Lay bet. The edge is already in the players favor so that need there money asap.

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

The dice probability is in the player favor but the edge would be even without the vig. You have to lay more to win back less. They will collect their vig, and gain their edge.

@jimklemens5018

3 жыл бұрын

There are lots of casinos in Nevada that only collect the vig on wins.

@rayhjr72

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimklemens5018 we are just talking about Lay bets not Buy bets. So we are betting with the seven. Been to vegas plenty of time and always needed to pay the vig first on any Lay bet.

Can I bet on the 4 and 10 lay bet PLUS bet on the 6 and 8??

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

Sure can and a nice way to approach the most common numbers (betting with the 6/8) to roll and the least common (betting against the 4/10)...of course it still just depends on how the dice roll.

I love this video! You ever run this strategy: place the 6 & 8 for $18 each ($36-total) then lay $40 against a 4. Hit your 6 or 8’s twice collect $21 each time for $42 total, take place bets off. Then if 4 hits you made $2. If 7 hits your up $19 ($20-$1 vig) for $61 total profit! You’re also partially hedged from any PSO for a small loss of only $17. Lose $36 placed but win $19 on NO 4. Your thoughts?

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

You know what…you caught me at right moment. I think I’ll film this today

@HERSH-777

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp Wow, that’s cool Jeremy. Maybe throw in a $5 hard 4 as a hedge against the $40 lay bet also. Only 1 dice combo can take it down, the ACE-3.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Filmed it, did mention hardway, but didn’t play it. Good thing, rolled multiple easy 4. would have been throwing away extra money ha

Can you put odds on a Lay bet? So $50 on the 4 with $100 in odds? Would that just pay $75? The same as just Laying $150?

@Adambikesrochester

5 жыл бұрын

That's a don't come that you would be able to place odds onto.

@BDiLL22

5 жыл бұрын

Adam Deutsch ok

@Adambikesrochester

5 жыл бұрын

@@BDiLL22 and I'd recommend keeping it a flat bet if you bet the don't. If you're playing right-sided, it makes sense because it lowers the house edge. If you lay odds onto a don't bet, you still have a mathematical edge, but it gets reduced. I'll do my best to math the shit out of it haha. Take a don't on the 4 for $10. You're a 2 to 1 favorite getting paid $10, 1:1 or 100%. You lay 2x odds, $20 additional dollars for $30 all day. You're now getting paid $20 on $30 or 66% on a bet you're 75% to win on. I prefer to keep my edge on the house as high as possible.

@BDiLL22

5 жыл бұрын

Adam Deutsch Ah ok... I got it!

I occasionally play the dark side. But yeah those high minimums that are above table minimums make it expensive. The casinos really want to make it as easy for them to profit from us as possible, don’t they?

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

They are not charity organizations, they are there to provide us entertainment, but also to take our money :)

So if the #5 is ON, can I bet my usual #6 & #8 but also lay on the #4 to increase my chances of winning before the 7 hits?

@ColorUp

3 ай бұрын

Yes

@saulito4554

3 ай бұрын

@ColorUp is that a common strategy or is it not recommended?

@ColorUp

3 ай бұрын

@@saulito4554 I wouldn’t say common but useful. It moves risk from 7 to the lay 4. Meanwhile hopefully you can win with your 6/8.

@saulito4554

3 ай бұрын

@ColorUp last question, on that same thinking, if the #5 is ON and I lay #4 and place my bets on 6/8, can I increase my chances of winning by also betting on 9/10? Essentially covering most of the board besides the ON #5 and hoping #4 doesn't hit before the 7?

@ColorUp

3 ай бұрын

@@saulito4554 more numbers you bet, more dice combos to win, but also more at risk if 7 rolls. Check out one of my latest videos. I do something similar. Strategy I Switched to and Won! kzread.info/dash/bejne/lXtsybRxe8XUoqg.html

So what’s the difference between a lay bet vs a don’t come bet????

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

don't come the dice chooses number you bet on, house edge lower, you can bet at table minimum, and there is no vig, Lay bet you can choose the number, but have to pay a vig, and usually might have to bet a minimum of $40

@michaelrodriguez6984

4 жыл бұрын

Color Up So which one would you say is more “economical”?

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

@@michaelrodriguez6984 economnical would be the don't come, on a $5 table you can play as little as $5, a lay bet would still be $40 on a $5, $10 or $15 table

Need the live streaming 🤣ty

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Yes I do. It’s coming.

does the vig % vary or is 5% a standard?

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Always 5%

Do you have a Lay strategy?

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

Im sure I have done a couple vids with lay bets, but not many and need to do more for sure.

nice video

How come I never see anyone Laying numbers? Is it just an uncommon thing to know?

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure the answer.

@runtoeat

5 жыл бұрын

Most players are right bettors. Usually a lot less don't action at the table.

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Right but why? I guess just traditionally played that way

@rogerl8488

5 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp quick question just got off a Cruise an me an pit boss was talking he told me to bet like this bet on the dt come an lay the 4 an make place bets on the 6&8 what's your take? In Wv we have 5 dollar table so what is the dollar amount I should bet on this combination? Be alittle conservative... thank you!!! Love your vids!!!

@runtoeat

5 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp It's about the action. You plateau on the don'ts and look for a seven. But right bettors crave action and you can catch a streak and build. That's my observation, and heavens, I am just as likely to bet with the crowd.

can i lay 4&10 for 100 and only pay 2 dollar vig

@mvondrak

5 жыл бұрын

Depends. Some places will charge a “total” for both vigs. Seeing as you’d win $50 total they should only charge $2. Now if you lay 4&10 for $100 a piece for a $200 bet they’d charge $5 for a $100 win. Now if you bet them separate, say you lay the 4 for $100, they’d charge you $2. Then a few rolls later you lay the 10 for $100, they may charge you $2, but they might ask for $3, seeing as you’d win $100 total making it a $5 vig. So it’s a bit of a gray area. But pay attention to what they charge, because if you remove the bet before it wins, they will return you vig as well. So make sure you get back the proper amount. I know it’s only pennies in the grand scheme of things, but hey! $2 is $2!

@hardwayjoe8208

5 жыл бұрын

@@mvondrak thanks matt on a 80 dollar lay on 4 i pay 2$. If i can get away with laying 100$ 4 for 2$ vig i save 50 cents

@mvondrak

5 жыл бұрын

joseph labounty in reality could lay them for $98 apiece winning $49, or $98 total, I’d only charge you $4 for the total. Just a easy way to maximize your potential.

i dont understand...

@ColorUp

4 жыл бұрын

Bet against a number, that the 7 will show before the number you bet against.

Is that an Ohio State jersey?

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

Yep

@chYnaRIP

5 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp Go Bucks! I'm from/live in Columbus

Good video because you planned and executed a script.

4m views nice work!!!!!

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

crazy to think that many views on my hobby of making simple videos about a game I like to play

@ihavehotmail2

4 жыл бұрын

Color Up do what you love and you’ll never “work” a day in your life

Lay $194 across for the come out roll, please 😂😂😂. One of my favorite plays!

@ColorUp

5 жыл бұрын

With my like I would roll every number and knock of each bet.

@Adambikesrochester

5 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp haha it happens. I usually pull them down after the come out

@donaldshaver8926

4 жыл бұрын

I have to know, how are you getting $194 across on a lay? closest I can figure is 24 on 6/8, 45 on 5/9, and 30 on 4/10 for $198, but that makes no sense. So I need to know, what are you placing that is getting $194 across?

How does it make any sense betting on something that gives you less money than your bet. You didn't do a good job explaining.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry. It’s called betting on the favorite. Applies to boxing , football, anything really. When betting on favorites you win back less than you bet. In craps, a lay bet is favored to win this you get paid less. You can bet on the underdog and get paid more if that’s how you like to bet.

@3halfshadows

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp I had to look it up. It works because you get your initial wager back when you win. Unless I overlooked it that piece of information was missing.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

Well typically, “if it pays it stays” meaning bet would pay out profit and stay up. Of course you do have option to get initial bet returned to you.

@3halfshadows

2 жыл бұрын

@@ColorUp If you're teaching how something works you should be explicit how it works instead of assuming the viewer knows some unspoken rule of thumb that may or may not apply to a given scenario.

@ColorUp

2 жыл бұрын

I explained it. 10s of thousands have took understanding from it. you are the first to claim I did a poor job. Some teachers are just not a good fit for how you learn. There are other teachers you can learn from.