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@mattluke5546

Жыл бұрын

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@knobgoblin

Жыл бұрын

Skin care or hygiene in ancient Rome could actually be a super interesting future subject, if you want to deepen your tie to this advertiser. Also: Congratulations on your new career as a skincare model!

@hpglake3231

Жыл бұрын

So the real cause of Rome's fall was the wealth gap, which fueled corruption. Mmmmm... I wonder where that's happening again.

@fluffybunny5518

Жыл бұрын

Dress up as a Roman Senator and do the add partially in Latin for a godly skin equivalent only that of Aphrodite. ;-)

@scottdoesntmatter4409

Жыл бұрын

Still too robotic in pronunciation. Just saw your Gangs of Rome video.

Important note about the jury courts: depending on the time, juries were not just anyone. For most of the system’s use, a juror had to be an equestrian or higher in social class. This means someone whose wealth was about 600,000 sesterces.

@zhizhi9138

Жыл бұрын

Jury Judicial Juice Jewelry ….

@notsocrates9529

Жыл бұрын

@@zhizhi9138 I see you.

@mothman7270

Жыл бұрын

@@zhizhi9138 what are you implying

@alex_zetsu

Жыл бұрын

So if non equestrians had jury duty... "You have jury duty" "But I don't own a horse and chariots aren't used for public transportation" "Too bad"

@user-hb7py7xy7b

Жыл бұрын

That's reasonable. Wealthy jurors had reputation, education and was hard to bribe or be threatened. It would work great for the most cases.

Law and Order: Rome Produced by Phallus Lupus

@curiodyssey3867

Жыл бұрын

Severely underrated comment

@davidec.4021

Жыл бұрын

Very very nice comment

@AeneasGemini

Жыл бұрын

This won't get the attention it deserves

@gorillaguerillaDK

Жыл бұрын

Phallus Lupus LMAO Good one!!!

@justinfowler1271

Жыл бұрын

Dick wolf for the plebs

Scipio Africanus during his trial: "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I HAVE SACRIFICED?!"

@Fordo007

Ай бұрын

Sure was something when he drove by on that chariot and threw that greek fire pot at the group of senators afterwards.

24:55 I imagine the Romans of the late Republic would greatly enjoy our modern legal drama movies and TV shows.

One small note: Pontius Pilatus was not a governor, as Judea was not a province itself but the part of the province of Syria by the time of Augustus - he was a praefectus and directly obeyed to the governor in Antioch.

@SonofSethoitae

7 ай бұрын

By Pilate's time the province of Judaea had been created. Judaea became a province in 6 AD.

@CubeInspector

Ай бұрын

He was literally the 5th governor

This explains a lot regarding the roots and contextual reference of the modern law system. Very good!!

@scottdoesntmatter4409

Жыл бұрын

and the rich STILL get away with murder on a regular basis!

This was an amazing video! Well spoken and great drawings. I didn't realize the complexity of the Roman legal system.

1:07:04 *Fun fact:* Speaking of Pontius Pilate, the aprocrypal Gospel of Nicodemus contains a letter that Pilate wrote to the future emperor Claudius. That letter, which is about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus, probably served as the proof that Claudius needed to know that neither his nephew Caligula nor his friend King Herod Agrippa was the Messiah, unlike what both men previously claimed to be to assert their authority.

@r0ky_M

Жыл бұрын

There ain't any proof of a resurrection..that's why it's considered an article of faith for Xtians and nothing more.

@gorillaguerillaDK

Жыл бұрын

Who cares? It’s fiction anyway!

@felicityc

Жыл бұрын

That's even faker than the other fake stuff frankly

Damn, Cicero absolutely roasted that lady

@elcidsnare07

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately for Cicero “that lady” happened to be Clodia. As in the sister of Clodius, who already didn’t like him and now had motivation to go full send after Cicero. This would have um…repercussions…To put it lightly. Arguably concluding with Cicero’s tongue cut out and gifted to Fulvia. It’s an absolutely hilarious roast 100%, but one he paid a price for.

@svenrio8521

Жыл бұрын

@@elcidsnare07 lmao they cut his tongue off? that's crazy! Still absolutely worth it though.

@wedgeantilles8575

Жыл бұрын

@@svenrio8521 And the tongue was nailed to the senate door. However, I am not sure if this is just an anecdote or if it is confirmed that this happened. Since displaying cut of heads and stuff like that was very common IMO it seems plausible enough that Ciceros famous tongue (he was after all one of the most famous orators in Rome) was indeed nailed to the door.

@cadenvanvalkenburg6718

11 ай бұрын

@@svenrio8521 Clodius wasn’t the reason for it though. Cicero pissed off Octavian and Antony while they were trying to deal with Brutus. So he was added to the death lists

Should've used the "dun dun" sound

'Not where the evidence lay, but which truth you would rather believe' wow history really repeats itself...

excellent Doc , thank you to all those who labored to bring it together...

Great presentation and content.

Amazing work!!

We need a Crime-Drama series set in the Roman-Era!

glad you placed them all together. Wonderful work Ya'll

@InvictaHistory

Жыл бұрын

Yes I agree. They were always meant to build upon one another but this way its a lot more seamless. It's also good timing as we plan to take a look at the Gangs of Rome next

amazing episode!

Tomorrow i’ll have a roman law exam, guess i’ll learn a bit more then

Great video!!👍

Thank you for reminding me about my Roman Law trauma

Very informative insomnia viewing. Thank you 😁

I always thought the Didius Falco books did a good job of depicting how things really worked back then

22:13 So we're starting to get towards the idea of "innocent until proven guilty", as well as everyone being entitled to a fair trial.

@AeneasGemini

Жыл бұрын

well, throughout most of history (right up until the modern era) guilty until proven innocent was actually a lot more common. It makes sense since gathering proof was actually a lot harder than now.

The court system was incredibly political during the republican system. Like you said to advance one’s careers young prominent men would frequent them and study. I believed they called themselves advocates and usually would represent the parties respective especially foreigners. For instance Caesar’s case for masintha. Roman’s commonly would tried to associate themselves with more prestigious people and typically the courts would be a demonstration of differing political bodies.

It mustve been so easy to just skip town back then. No cameras, limited communication. You could start a whole new family a few towns away and everyone who knows you would never find out.

@AeneasGemini

Жыл бұрын

depends on what you did, if your crime was bad enough you'd definitely face pursuit. Not to mention that, in terms of the courts, the attitude was basically more guilty until proven innocent. In other words, the burden of proof was often much lower. In some cases, simply having someone of high status testify against you (as even a character witness) was enough to get you hanged

@scottdoesntmatter4409

Жыл бұрын

@@AeneasGemini In some ways, very similar to today.

@godking

Жыл бұрын

Until at least the 1980s it was that easy. The 80s and the 70s where the golden years for serial killers they could commit their crimes the next town over and then disappear.

@commisaryarreck3974

Ай бұрын

@@scottdoesntmatter4409 Nuh Uh we've got justice Where any government official or anyone rich enough avoids all punishment, requirement for evidence is dependent on who you've pissed off.

"...and how far we still have to go." amen to that

Amazing video.

@JoeSchmoer

Жыл бұрын

How do you know? Did you somehow watch it in 100X speed?

Mmygod i love these long videos

How can people be loving an hour 11 minute long video when it released 5 minutes ago? Amazing speed-watching skills here lmao

@InvictaHistory

Жыл бұрын

x200 speed

@tristinkirby

Жыл бұрын

this isn't a new video. it was older they just piece it all together it was originally multiple videos

@tomtaylor5623

Жыл бұрын

bots. always the same pointless praise comments saturate the comments section of every channel.

@garydagg9112

Жыл бұрын

Well to be fair im 5 minutes in but i like it so far so i give it a thumbs up. I like the topic and the explained structure of the topics. If the next hour is white noise then ill retract it

Still amazed at how they had lawyers and prosecutor type of court to judge crimes just like today.

@TheSkyGuy77

Жыл бұрын

Its where we got our system from. It all started with the Romans and Greeks

@heirofwesteros

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSkyGuy77 yes that’s why even today law schools are teaching their students roman law system

@arzhvr9259

Жыл бұрын

How are you amazed that your forefathers were people?

@Dan_Kanerva

Жыл бұрын

@@arzhvr9259 shhh... he is just American . They think advanced society started just 100 years ago and that eveyrone befora that was a clueless farmer or evil king

@kalebloshbough1899

Жыл бұрын

You stole my green K lol

Hey could u do a similarity video between Gondor/numenor and the Roman Empire and if u want do a how would both armies fair in a fight against each other

If anybody is interested in reading book series about crime I can recommend John Robert Maddox "SPQR" Lindsey Davies "Didius Falco" Both series are fiction of course, that take place in ancient Rome. Maddox sometimes uses historical facts and refers to them in his books (e.g. the famous "Ceasars wife must be above all suspicion" statement). Maddox character is a senator, Davies Falco is lower on the social ladder (but has several dealings with the royal palace too) Both series are very good reads IMO and the historical background is fine. However, the reader must be aware that they are fiction - and they do not intend or pretend to be historical correct. I myself had a lot of fun with both series and was never put off by the behavior of the characters. Sure, Falcos dealing with Titus is nonsense, but it is fun to read. For comparision: The HBO series "Rome" was a damn disaster to me, because it was so full of historical bullshit that I did not manage to ignore all this nonsense and enjoy the show. So I do have some expectations when a series / book takes place in the time of the Romans. Most will probably say way too high expectations. So if you like to read books about detectives and if you like ancient Rome - give it a try, I am very confident you will enjoy them :)

@dixiecyrus8136

8 ай бұрын

Love the Falco series, there's a new one with his daughter Flavia❤️❤️❤️😎

Love it.

Cicero is Saul Goodman

Have you ever considered covering again Mesoamerican and Andean History?

@InvictaHistory

Жыл бұрын

Yes definitely

@alejandrosakai1744

Жыл бұрын

@@InvictaHistory🤗🤩😍

Urban cohorts kinda sound like cops 👮‍♀️ but they were pretty useful in normal combat when I played total war Rome. If only things were as simple as curse tablets 😊

Can someone please explain to me what that dude is wearing on his forehead at 23:00?

Thanks for the shoutout 😂

An instant like :)

Is some of the background music from ac Odyssey

00:21:29 just to mention some military stuff in a less military video, that gladius might be on the wrong side of the dude

Law and Order: Rome

Please make a video on Hoysala Empire (c. 1000-1343 CE)

Let's see how _dura_ the _Lex_ actually was.

Jurist is still the word for lawyer in many languages.

"Now that we have outline what the rules are...." (no one really knew the law because there were way to many laws) pretty large parallels

Omg i studied law and the structure os the document is almost the same

Notification squad represent!

The "other man" in the Jesus story was the son of the last king of Jerusalem so technically the current "king"

Is this a combination of past videos or new content?

@InvictaHistory

Жыл бұрын

Combo of past videos. I wanted to bring them all together now since we have an upcoming episode on the Gangs of Rome which could benefit from this context.

@Jim58223

Жыл бұрын

@@InvictaHistory thanks

Damn, I'm early

48:19 we wuz romans an sheit.

CSI: Alexandria (Miami) Centurion Caine looks at a dead body floating in the bay. "It appears that someone is in da-nile* *puts on Sunglasses* YEAAAAAAAAHHHH

Could you post your viewer demographics? Genuinely kinda curious haha

In the Ancient world and many other societies, prison was a place they put you until the authorities decided what to do with you.

Some of those ancient Roman Court antics don't sound too different from some of the s*** we're seeing these days

re - 26:55 Is that judge, the one in the centre... Is that Bill Murray????

The study of law didn't really change since ancient rome, it's still complex and confusing as hell

Ancient water hoses xD. Yeah, this is an entertainment channel all right.

Oh my, this Invicta v-tuber hocking face creams is so weird. XD

Pax Romana

Praetorae delenda est!

Wiw

You don't need crime for good law. People can enforce good law themselves through discrimination. An accused could ask a judge for a ruling to restore his reputation. All contributions by government require crime, never good.

As has history has shown, radical wealth gaps lead to societal/state collapse. It’s a primary reason the US and the world has become so unstable and polarized.

Great video but he Bible quoted as historical facts, interesting!

Is it possible to make a Roman pizza? At least a cheese pizza?

Debt slavery and exile are punishments today's society really should bring back.

😳

Stop using the passive voice

Wait radish sodomy??! lol. 31:23

How much further we have to go is the key phrase here. You throw in a good person because he made a stupid decision and had some dust in a bag and he comes out a real criminal . Our prisons are only good at making the state or private corporations money.

FIRST!

there is a letter from pontius pilate to the roman emperor ~he spoke of jesus an thare talk ~ thare is a recored !!! asks mary beard fore help SPQR be well

Muhammad Qasim has seen in many dreams exactly how Islam and Muslim Ummah will rise again in the entire world. This is also present in many hadiths of Prophet Muhammad SAW, and predictions made by popular Islamic Muftis. #MuhammadQasimDreams

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@apalsnerg

Жыл бұрын

Almost! Better luck next time 😁

Lesson to still be learned here in 2023: large scale of wealth inequality and discrepancy of power and justice, will in the end lead to turmoil and downright riots!

In america the penal system is AWFUL. Segregation by race, gangs, constant abuse, r4p3s, killings, stabbings. There is zero rehabilitation for most inmates. Many are released with little prospects and have often just come out more broken and criminally minded than when they went in. Treat people with dignity like other countries and you get a far better chance of rehabilitation and not a revolving door in and out of prison.

@sijul6483

Жыл бұрын

The revolving door is what the government wants, for that reason it's called the prison industrial complex. It's also good at stripping away American's 'rights'.

@cattraknoff

Жыл бұрын

Corporal punishment is more humane than long-term incarceration. The Biblical system is best: Financial crimes have financial punishments, you pay back a few times what you took or if a corrupt businessman who ruins the livelihoods of many work as a debt-slave to pay your victims what you can after your assets are liquidated; Violent crimes have violent punishments - an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, beating for beating, wound for wound; and heinous crimes are punished capitally.

@I_am_Diogenes

Жыл бұрын

Well , considering NO system in the history of prisons has ever been about rehab ... whats your point ? If prison alone isnt enough to give someone all of the "rehab" they need then my guess is they wouldnt rehab regardless of what was offered to them .

@Insectoid_

Жыл бұрын

@@I_am_Diogenes you’re an idiot

@I_am_Diogenes

Жыл бұрын

@@Insectoid_ Yep , a degree in Criminal Justice with a minor in Corrections , which makes me an informed idiot , thank you very much . I spent two years going to classes on this specific topic (History/Focus of the Penal System) but please , tell me your youtube level opinion on the topic . Sorry but FACTS are FACTS , the penal system has ALWAYS been about punishment NOT rehab . The system in place now is the first to even consider rehab a real factor . WHERE do you think the saying "they paid their debt to Society" came from ? Rehab was never a factor , period , that is a recent (last hundred years) development in Corrections . NOT defending the issues in the present system you mentioned in your original post but do not pretend it is presently any different in ANY prison in the world today , MOST are much worse than any prison you will find in the US . Just for curiosities sake , ever bother to check Inmate Death numbers compared by Country ? Would you rather go to a prison in the US or a prison in Mexico ? What about Russia ? China ? Japan ? Seriously take your pick .... US or ANYWHERE else , which would you personally prefer ?

Ironically, the Law and Order logo is registered. Using it for your thumbnail opens you up to all sorts of legal problems.

@stefanstoyanov7460

Жыл бұрын

Not if he secured the rights to use them.

@totallytubular618

3 ай бұрын

Fair use can apply to trademarks as well

just watching this. I 100% see why the Roman Empire collapsed.

So the ancient romans weren't democratic at all, since the patricians always ruled the roost no matter what.

The ancient romans definitely had cop energy, yes. Don't like cops

Condensing Roman law into an hour long video is like judging the Ukraine war thru Twitter.

Great history, just need to improve your pronounciations. eg: It's not "ple-bian". It's "plebe-ian". Because the people were Plebes. and "ian" is ending. That's why we say, eg, "centur-ion" not "centu-rion". Nor Cana-dian.

@theConquerersMama

Жыл бұрын

The emphasis being on the middle syllable - BE. Ple BE an

@theConquerersMama

Жыл бұрын

Although I have heard it a variety of ways over the years and in different countries.

There's 0 evidence Jesus actually existed. Stick to history man