The reason to use Crunch on the Mk5 is if you are using Feel no Pain rather than Heavy Hitter. You then one shot crushers with just Crunch + Thrust, and not just 1 crusher, but up to 4 crushers/whatever at a time (if they are close) if you are using Brutal Momentum.

@RPGandFPS

5 ай бұрын

Was about to comment the same exact thing. I honestly prefer feel no pain over heavy hitter. Being able to hit breakpoints and not rely on heavy hitter stakcs is great.

@pirx9798

5 ай бұрын

This. I recently smacked 4 crushers at once with a bromentum shovel + thrust iirc, and was surprised.

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

That is a really great point. I see the use case for that setup. Edit: I pinned your comment.

@user-gw5qi5zu8i

5 ай бұрын

I oneshot crushers with 3 stacks of thrust, brutal momentum without crunch and feel no pain, if its a headshot ofc Crunch allows to bodyshot them and also allows to headshot oneshot maulers without heavy hitter

@RPGandFPS

5 ай бұрын

@@user-gw5qi5zu8i Is your shovel perfect? W/ 80 in a the valuable stats 25% carapace? I’m at like 3,100 ~ with an almost perfect roll. This is with no perks active or anything.

Groundbreaking shovel testing

@sturmmagnunstein1008

5 ай бұрын

I dig this comment

@pirx9798

5 ай бұрын

Shovel scientist

@threetrees5888

5 ай бұрын

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhh😂

I find the shovels to be ridiculously good, especially when you realize you can animation cancel the post-special attack delay by swapping to something else and then immediately swapping back to your shovel and activating the special attack and swinging again, rinse and repeat, you should be almost tripling your special heavy attack speed. It's as broken as it sounds.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

The existence of animation cancelling, sadly, doesn't surprise me. FS needs to include in any weapons overhaul, tightening up of the mechanics. Heck, they got rid of the Mk V Ripper's sprint cancelling to get a single shot off.

Really well done and thought out video, appreciate ya taking the time to put it together because I've always been on the fence with the shovels myself haha. Keep doing the emprah proud! Also very sorry to hear about your pal - Rest in peace lil Gypsy Rose - hopefully many good rations and bones in your future!

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate the kudos. And yeah, losing Rose was a hard hit to the family.

The production value on these videos are out of control! Always have to watch anything you put out

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. Sorry for the late response. Decided to scroll all the way down to respond to comments this time. Had a video that kicked off and have been mired in responding and testing things out in HD2.

Oh cool, now I've cried from a Cashcrop video.. Condolences, friend. Seemed to be a happy and healthy dog, and 15 years is by all means pretty good fortune. Looks like you live in a pretty beautiful area as well.

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate that. She was pretty amazing, and took to the kids quickly (even though she was middle-aged and grumpy). I live in a city in Texas, but we visit the mountains as frequently as possible.

@squidinc4376

5 ай бұрын

Ah, no way. Same here@@cashcrop_

Cash just out here throwing insane data at us

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

Ya know...I try.

Sorry about Gypsy Rose bro. Really appreciate the hard work and time that you put into these videos.

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

Thank you. She kept me company many times during editing sessions.

Super detailed video, thanks for doing all that testing. Sorry to hear about your dog too.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

I appreciate it.

Your production is so standout as always. And informative as usual 👌🏻. And rest easy Gypsy Rose. One of ours passed on this month so I feel you.

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate it. Sorry for your loss. Having pets is a double-edged sword. Lots of joy followed by grief.

the editing is so good man! keep it up for real

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Thank you.

Wish fatshark would give the power maul some love.

@bitzthe8bit668

5 ай бұрын

Use brutal momentum, spam special attacks, kill & stunlock everything.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

I agree. I've spent quite a bit of time running BM on it, which makes it a lot better. Its inability to stun-lock Crushers is a big downer, considering how prevalent stun-locking them is across other weapons (mostly non-Ogryn weapons).

"I could have made a shovels video when they were first released.. [but I'm cashcrop and I only make high quality, high effort, Darktide videos]" Been waiting on this one!

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

Lol. I appreciate it, as always, Squid.

This proves what I felt about the % calculations in DarkTide :\ No matter what I add into from the talents or additions on weapon parameters it just doesn't feel like satisfying increases that I can even acknowledge through gameplay. Furthermore it's always different for me when playing in the Psychanium than playing in a game with people.

@basedSHARK

5 ай бұрын

I've been having this nagging feeling as well, like my infantry autoguns have much more controllable recoil in the Psykhanium but once I bring them into missions they start to have really high vertical recoil.

great work, really informative. I love the mk 3, but the other two shovels always felt janky as hell. thanks for putting some work into figuring out why. One recommendation: for testing, you could use an autoclicker. With many of them you can specify things like the frequency of the clicks, hold duration, etc. Some even have the option to stop running after a set amount of clicks or a set amount of time. I think it would make long-form tests like what you did here way easier on you.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Thank you. As for the auto-clicker, I'm old-school. If I can't do it for real, I can't do it.

Have you considered using a macro for your hard number tests like this? The computer can ensure a precise timing of clicks, holds, pauses, etc. I tried setting one for a Trauma staff to ensure max charge for minimum peril, and it worked great.

@dime4026

5 ай бұрын

shouldnt need a macro to make it work

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Late on the reply. I did consider it, but the issue is that I would have to retune the macro for heavy spam. The light attack spam got old, but was doable.

Music editing was on point!!

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate it. Music is where I start when making videos.

It is really amazing how far you've come from your earlier videos, and you should be proud of the content you are putting out now. As a person who usually takes heavy hitter this was a sobering video to say the least. It's very infuriating learning about all of this stuff, and the knowledge that it will most likely never be fixed. Overall the Traitor's Curse update just hasn't really sat right with me. New map and boss fight were pretty fun but a lot of the design choices that went into the new weapons really rub me the wrong way. Not to mention that the honeymoon period with the talent trees had ended and the game is just too easy at this point to be very engaging to me. Condolences to you and your family for Rose. I am a big dog lover so I can sympathize how hard it can be.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

It's been two weeks, Drago, and I've spoken with you plenty in Discord since this comment. I really appreciate it. I was recently pondering my YT progression, and I am proud of where I've come to be.

Thank God! I can finally un-bate my breath!

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

Ha. Actually made me laugh.

It was weird to me that the basic shovel's jab could put ragers on their ass and stun chaos spawns but does nothing to crushers. I have a feeling it's due to balancing when you consider the carapace ratings of the shovels and cleavers respectively, you can beat crushers down with the shovel quite easily compared to the cleaver so the simple solution is to heavy spam them, the cleavers uppercut gives you a window to use your gun/rock/box of hurt instead of trying to chip them down with a knife.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Mostly agreed. However, the only way to stagger a Crusher with the Mk III Shovel is to have full stacks of Thrust to the head. I can just Light Special attack with the other shovels or just plain heavy attack with the newest chain axe. Makes my Ogryn feel weak.

Nice video. Interesting on the attack speed not giving attack speed. Want 10% attack speed? Silly slab, have a slow. The special attack seems weird to me to activate on the new shovels, vs power maul, chains weapons and crusher. I'm quite sure it's me, but I struggle to activate it consistently. Need to play around with it in the psychoward Still loving the Mk III. There is a M1 mod for melee weapons to help with your light attack sections.

@MetalGeek464

5 ай бұрын

I still haven't caught this on video but I was running the Mk XIX last night and the odd activation occurs as follows: Activate Special, the animation starts to play, click and hold M1, the heavy attach isn't a special. I watched it a few times and can see the special animation cancel out. Best I can determine is the special is being canceled by clicking M1 too soon. As mentioned, I'm using the same timing as the Chains weapons and crusher, whose activation is instant. More investigation is needed i to see if it's in game shenanigans or if it's repeatable in the psychanium

What is the soundtrack you used? Sounds amazing!

Anybody else notice once in a while the first person animations for the folded shovel seem to glitch out and suddenly show the shovel as unfolded? Like after you've folded it, while running or dodging or whatever? I don't think I'm imagining it, and most of the time when it happens it fools me into thinking the shovel isnt folded and hitting my special attack again, which of course then unfolds the shovel. Really annoying.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

I can't say I've ever seen this.

@Hanfgurkenhasser

2 ай бұрын

I've had the same issue, could be related to Weapon Customisation mod?

@cactrot83

2 ай бұрын

@@Hanfgurkenhasser I don't run the weapon customization mod, so probably not.

I pray to the emperor that you did not have to go through brunts to get all those weapons. Thank you for your service\ Aaand as usual actual ogryns coded all the ogryn arsenals. I still remember when a fifth or so of the ogryns feats didnt work properly for like 3 months after release also to illustrate how useless JGS actually is, 126 frames is only 2 seconds if cash is recording at 60 fps... Thats honestly nothing. It should have been something like every 3rd attack is 50% faster or something. If you really want attack speed running indomitable is far more consistent.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Real talk. Sorry for the late response.

Nice work cash!

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

Thank you!

I've reported push + light attack bug 2 days ago on fatshark forums, its now in aknowledged phase so hopefully - will be fixed eventually Its bugged for every folding shovel on veteran and ogryn, and it turns to unfolded damage with both folded light and heavy attacks

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Here I am, super late in responding. Evidently it's been fixed, but I haven't tested it.

@user-gw5qi5zu8i

4 ай бұрын

@@cashcrop_ Yeah, its been fixed!

You can 1 shot everything with the mkv. No love needed, just Thrust 3-4, and brutal momentum if you want to catch 2-3 crushers at once.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

You must have the most amazing Mk V available.

For all the good the big baddie buff did, it killed the mk III latrine shovel for me. There's, what, 1 Chaos Spawn every 3 - 4 quick plays (2 matches is an hour, I got work in the morning), but crushers are an every map enemy. I'm not taking the falcon punch for the boss stagger novelty, I want it to actually make the mk III's lower damage output worth it.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

100%

MK 19 is pure gold of light attack spam, carried me through Karnak Twin secret hardmode to the point i dropped the slab shield for it on my Bullgryn build

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

It's my favorite, but I do wish the Mk III was in a better place. I'm drawn to it for some reason.

@Hanfgurkenhasser

2 ай бұрын

​@@cashcrop_ It's the punch special, isn't it? ;) I too love the Mk3, even though it's probably the weakest of the three.

@cashcrop_

2 ай бұрын

@@Hanfgurkenhasser That punch is too cool to let it fade into obscurity.

@Hanfgurkenhasser

2 ай бұрын

@@cashcrop_ Damn straight!

Another top video. I smiled, seeing Brutal momentum on the MkV. Pretty sure i'm not the only one telling you that (pretty sure I did in a comment), but it feel good in horde. Regarding build, I still run a regular heavy build for the Mk XIX. It allow me to use regular heavy attack as overhead for stuff that aren't armored. It kill as well as the special fold, without losing time in animation and it's even faster with block cancel. But yes, that not very efficient.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Sorry for the late reply. Mk V feels clunky to use at times, but it is very powerful. Mk XIX is where it's at for me these days, but I wish the Mk III would get a glow up.

I like crunch for monstrosity damage too

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

You like it? Do it.

Listen to Cash drop a sick beat, then segue into a 1980s suspenseful background. Condolences on Gypsy Rose.

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

I appreciate it.

i've been meaning to do a write up on them as well, they have a lot of ... gruff? they dont feel as nice to use as the rest of their weapons, performance aside.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Mk III needs a boost, fo sho. I love it way too much to let it be cast aside.

Fatshark is going to come for these shovels, guaranteed. There's no way they meant for them to be this amazing at horde clear and also capable of instantly wiping Crushers and Maulers off the face of Atoma. My bet is a damage or armor penetration reduction for the folded shovel specials in the near future. Expect the attack speed bugs to stay indefinitely, though. ✌️

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

... Expect the attack speed bugs to stay indefinitely, though. ✌️ This made me laugh because it's likely.

⛏⛏⛏⛏ No shovel emote, have some picks...

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

I'll take 'em!

most of the egregious bugs will be fixed pretty soon fyi, including a bunch of other weapons having incorrect chains specified from different attack states (the human shovels have it too after push chain).

@Churber123

5 ай бұрын

How do you know this?

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

I would also like to know this.

why cant i donate for your content?

@cashcrop_

5 ай бұрын

Kind of you, but I honestly haven't given it much thought.

pls dont nerf shovel Fatshark

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

It took them 8 months to fix Blaze Away for Kickback. It's all good.

My confession: I dislike all new shovels and I don't think their ability to instantly delete elites with the special attack should in the game, especially if used with Brutal Monumentum.

@cactrot83

5 ай бұрын

From a game design perspective they are broken, yes. I'm using and having fun with them, but I don't expect FS will leave them as is for very long. They are too good at both horde clear and also killing carapace and unyielding elites for a single weapon. I expect the latter to change in a way that puts them more in line with other options.

@justanotherLunny

5 ай бұрын

Considering what can be done with other classes' ranged weapons, and a few melee ones, I don't think it's too crazy.

@cashcrop_

4 ай бұрын

Fair enough. I like them.