Daddy wasnt there for me but you were:(

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Prince Donko of Punchtania Sorry to hear that, but at least you can take some small solace in these videos!

@CircadianCitizen5

6 жыл бұрын

lmfao. I fucking love it

@ciabones

4 жыл бұрын

If lather flying is a good sign then I must be making good lather.

Dude, thanks for this video - i just got a straight razor with soap/etc and when i was looking at the soap I was at a complete loss... now i know what to do lol.

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Carl You are very welcome, glad to know the tutorial is helping!

The answer to so many questions and observations. ..dry, razor skipping...and here are the answers in a short, to the point, easy to understand and clearly stated objective of "slick" regardless of coverage or foam amount. Thank YOU very much

Great instructional lesson on the two methods. You get an A+ on you effective lecture & demonstrations. Most pleased with your time and attention. Keep on keeping! You make the difference.

Sick of regular razors. Wanting to make a change towards straight razors and I'm looking for a better shaving experience. Thank you for this video. Learned a lot.

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Raggi86 You are welcome, hope it is going well!

More water! Just what I needed to build the right lather with Mama Bear's soap! Michael very good of you to make this video on the basics. No clutter, just the facts!

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Glenn O'Connor Glad to hear this helped!

Excellent video guide! Thanks for clearly explaining proper lather consistency. I was not adding enough water before, but now my shave has improved greatly.

Thanks for this informative video! My wife surprised me with a silvertip badger Xmas present after 30+ years of gilette disposables and aerosol shaving cream. What a delight!

Awesome video Michael. Really great technique put very simply for noobies like me. Appreciate the tutorial and looking forward to trying this out.

A truly excellent job displaying your method, call me impressed!

@mfreedberg

10 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it! Thank you as well for providing us with such excellent products!

@Beanmachine91

2 жыл бұрын

sup! i like your nomad aftershave n soap!

By far the best tutorial I've seen for creating a great lather.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

I find myself hard-pressed to disagree with you (grin)! Glad you liked it, hope you are getting some great lathers now!!

Great video! I had heard the "Dry loading" term before and this was the only spot I have found with an explanation. Turns out I have been dry lathering my brush all along and never knew it. Keep up the good work!

Fantastic demonstrations on both the dry and wet lathering methods!

@mfreedberg

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, really appreciate that!!

Glad to see I've been using the wet brush method right ! I'll try the damp brush method next time.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+GFmanaic let us know how it goes!

Thank you Michael! I'm new to wet shaving and my last shave was with a rather dry layer of lather, surprisingly I still got a decent shave but it just didn't seem quite right, so I searched here to find a tutorial on how to get it right. I'll be due again for a shave tomorrow and I'm looking forward to your "wet technique." *THANKS AGAIN!*

@mfreedberg

Жыл бұрын

I hope it all ended well, nothing worse than a dry pasty lather when all you want is a glorious, wet, shiny, slick lather -- and all it takes is MORE WATER!

I did my fist "wet shave" this morning! Thanks for the wonderful video. Very helpful for a rookie like me!

I just got my first quality soap and didn't wanted to waste it or underload it. This video helped me, thank you for your efforts.

Thanks for the video tutorial, +Michael Freedberg! I just got a shaving kit and I'm excited to give it a go!

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+hypnotix77 I hope it all went well!

Thank you sir so very much for this excellent tutorial. My wonderful sister gave me a Crabtree and Evelyn sienna shave soap for my birthday last year. I had to buy a good brush so as to use it. After watching your video I am truly enjoying my old school morning shaves!! Who knew shaving could be so much fun?

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Daniel Meyer who knew? ME! I knew!! I have been trying to tell people too (grin)...

good tutorial thanks i'm new to wet shaving and was having issues with an effective shave. giving an improved lather a try.

@campfiredouglas4496

Ай бұрын

if you do end up seeing this - i never knew what a "close shave" was until today after getting a good lather. i used a new blade, effective lather and a quality soap and got the best shave i've ever had today and i'm sure it goes up from here. you definitely played a part in that too, so thank you very much. made my week.

I've been using a Leaf Shave Razor for almost a year now and love it, recently though I thought I'd try a shaving soap as an alternative to my gel, and before I saw your video before my shave today, I couldn't seem to get the soap to lather in my shaving bowl despite my best efforts, but today after watching your video, I got a perfect lather and it didn't dry out rapidly like before too 👍 So thank you for doing this video, you really helped me out 👌 Usually I'm awful at shaving in the Afternoon/evening/night but tonight I actually managed to get a really good shave in the afternoon/evening for once haha 😂

i just got a Merkur DE, a puck of Institut Karite, and a Vie Long horse hair brush and wanted a good tutorial. Yours, my friend, is strikes the best balance between thorough and concise. Thank you, sir!

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+tacoeatingzebra thank you for the feedback, glad you found the tutorial helpful! Also, enjoy those tacos...

Thanks! This was just what I was looking for. I just started using soap and brush to shave and I wasn’t sure what to do. Great job with the tutorial for newbies.

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

Glad you found it useful! You may also want to check out my full shaving tutorial, it's a playlist on the channel!

This guy does and excellent job of explaining and demonstrating the two methods of using the brush, but he could also give Alan Alda (Hawkeye Pierce) lessons on good foam! He is to be congratulated for not foaming his open mouth! I don't think I could have managed that as adeptly as he does. I used a mug and brush years ago, but quit when the suds dried out too easily to comfortably shave well. My new, green plastic, mug ( I dropped the old one!) from Amazon is deeper and foams up very well. I learned the dry brush way - less messy - Yet I still learned from this man that a few drips on the brush can change every thing for the better. Thanks for the great job.

Thank you, very clear and helpful in coaxing that lather out of a soap puck.

Thanks for the video Michael, I used to use the wet brush method, but after seeing this I tried the dry brush method, it works great for me and I've never looked back :)

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Dave C Every new soap you get, try each method and see what you get! You may find that one soap that just LOVES the wet brush and you would otherwise never know! Tragedy...

@davec6908

8 жыл бұрын

+Michael Freedberg Thanks Michael, you're right, but now I can't get the Bee Gees out of my head :'o(

Excellent video! One of the best I have viewed!

I just watch the video and I found it great, thanks for sharing both techniques. Nice work!

@mfreedberg

10 жыл бұрын

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it, and very happy to hear it helped!

Awesome video!! I tried both methods a few times and I find that the dry method works best for me.

@mfreedberg

5 жыл бұрын

Beautiful, always great to hear that the video is working for people - makes me smile!

Thanks for teaching me how to do this man, you’re an excellent human👍

@mfreedberg

5 жыл бұрын

Well, that made me smile, thank you!! You are very welcome, and I also have a complete wetshaving tutorial you may find helpful as well!

It was the very first video that I saw from your channel. After watching this instantly I subscribed. It is amazing how you start with veeeery foamy lather spilled all over the container and magically you suggest MORE WATER to make the lather more dense and creamy. And it worked. Its difficult for a rookie to understand this because he thinks that you already have a wet brush and a thin lather, so adding more water you will vanish it and make it more runny and watery. I prefer this method especially with croaps.

I very much appreciate how you teach these videos. Very helpful

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, I hope you get the lathers you are looking for! If you are still having issues, just reply to this comment and I will do my best to help.

Thanks a lot. Just tried the first method with arko soap stick and I was surprised of how much soap I charged into the brush. After that lathering was something out of the world using your method. Thank you again

@mfreedberg

4 жыл бұрын

So glad that worked for you! It's funny how often new wetshavers try to use as little soap as possible, but it always ends badly :-) I hope things are going well for you, enjoy your new lather!!

HI, A very good video a very a good refresher on the art of lathering! thanks

Great video! Helped a lot! Can't wait till 2 days from now so I can have a decent, well informed how shave! Keep up the great work!

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, I hope your lathers have improved!!

Thank you for this video Michael. Informative and to the point.

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Shavemad65 You are very welcome, glad you enjoyed it!

See its vids like this that have drawn me to the traditional shaving method I have asked for alot of shave supplies for Christmas and can't wait to try my have at a safety razor

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Anthony, what did you end up getting for Christmas?

@Twrex-gt2vu

9 жыл бұрын

A micro touch one and my shaves have been ok I think it's just gonna take some time before I'm able to get a perfect shave cuz I find my self falling on bad habits with it

just lathered my Sterling soap with the dry method you showed WOW! best lather i've made with it yet adding water slowly made it better thanks for these two demos both these styles seem almost foolproof now that i've seen them done properly BONUS, i get to revisit some of my soaps that didn't do a great job for me in the past

@mfreedberg

10 жыл бұрын

Vince DC, very glad to hear this helped, and yes, totally make another pass through soaps you might have been struggling with before...you might find another favorite rescued from obscurity!

@hedonit

10 жыл бұрын

Michael Freedberg seeing you improve both the dry and wet lathers and working them to the "nice, sleek, smooth, shiny, protective lather" stage has shown me what to strive towards on my face no more thick and pasty with hard soaps and runny with creams, lathers for me

Great video, very true about adding water and a bubbly lather is great. Much more slickness and the lather doesn't dry up as quickly.

@mfreedberg

4 жыл бұрын

Water, more water, and then more water...

Great tutorial. Thanks very much!

Very perfect video, everything explained in such detail.

@mfreedberg

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, hopefully you are getting great lathers now!

Really helpful video Michael. Thank you. Really enjoy your presentation style. No BS just the straight talking. Looking forward to many more videos. All the best M.R.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, and I hope you are enjoying the intro music (grin)!!

@meanrhythm9048

7 жыл бұрын

Ha ha - yeah, a Mean Rhythm indeed. Quite James Bond-like if you don't mind me saying so?

I've been having problems getting any kind of protection from a new soap (a harder soap than I was using before) and it's left my face in tatters; this video covered so many points where my technique was off, will definitely be using the dry brush this evening, thank you.

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Christian, just be sure you are really loading enough soap of you are using a hard soap and then just keep adding water and build that lather you have been looking for!

Very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to share!

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

jackinkc1 glad you enjoyed it, and thank you for letting me know! Always happy to help...

One of the best tutorial, the first "dry" tecnic is awesome, way better than the "messy" one. But I build the soap (green Proraso, italian) in a container, not directly on the face. Thanks for the video, great work!

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

+Raoul Comoretto Building the lather in the bowl is fine, these same two options will work either way. The wet brush option is kind of fun, but yes, you need to be ok with a bit of a mess :-) Have you tried the Cella soap yet? If not, and you like the Proraso, give the Cella a try!

What an awesome tutorial.

This is a good tutorial for beginners. I sort of had to learn as I went.

Thank you for the video. I learned a lot from this.

@mfreedberg

10 жыл бұрын

Drew, thank you and glad to hear it helped!

Fantastic lesson Mike. All Your tutorials are not only enjoyable but also very clear and up to the point. Great job. I watch Your lesons repeatedly. if possible please give a lesson on shaving trouble spots on the face like chin and jaw lines. Aleays having trouble with that.

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Christopher Achceniak thanks for the suggestion, I will have to add that to the list!

Your hair reminds me of my Kent silvertip. Great advice!!

@mfreedberg

5 жыл бұрын

I'll take it :-)

Thanks for the video man, very educational and insightful ☺.

Thanks. Will try this technique. I was doing it too quickly, much as I would with a shaving foam.

@mfreedberg

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, take your time building the lather, it helps to prep your skin *and* your beard, and you will find you can shave just as quickly - just with much better products (and results)!

The best video I've seen about shaving soaps or lathering tutorial.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Jesus Garcia thank you, really appreciate that!

@jelajemi

7 жыл бұрын

I really mean it, on this video you show us how actually you move the shaving brush on the soap and how to add more water and other tips, this video is not just about showing how to lather the face.

I would like to start off by saying thank you for teaching me the proper way to lather a shaving soap. I was just about to toss my shaving soaps because I could not get a great lather and got horrible shaves. I stumbled a crossed your video tried the dry method and OMG!!! I had purchased artisan shave soaps that I hated, now thanks to your video they are the best in my line up!!!! Thanks to your technique I get the most amazing shaves from my shave soaps and truly love them now. Thanks again for a great tutorial! You saved me!

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

gogostyle33 Ha ha, very glad to hear you did not give up, nothing more satisfying than a person who steps back from that cliff edge! Enjoy your soaps, and spread the good word...

This is truly excellent. I'm a longtime wet shaver, but long out of practice with soaps (as against creams). Ready am I now to tackle a soap again. I pity the 56 lost souls who've voted this down.

Hi Michael - Just wants to say - a great tutorial. Really changed my way of using brush and soap for DE Safety Racing :-)

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Joergen Hansen very glad to hear this helped!

Thank you Michael!

This was incredibly helpful thank you!

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Samuel Christopher you are very welcome! What soap or cream are you using?

As I'm about to finally start DE shaving, wet brush method attracts me the most.

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Antonio M be prepared for a bit of a mess, but it is well worth it. Make some practice lathers and get a feel for how the lather comes together. Good luck and let us know how it goes!

Brilliant tutorial! Thanks a lot for this!

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it, and hopefully it worked for you!

I'm having trouble lathering my TSF soft soap with my omega brush. I'll try out your dry method

Thanks! Just switched from the canned stuff and was having trouble figuring this out!

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

Very glad to hear it, another life saved (grin)!

Very informative!! thanks!!

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, hope your lathers are doing well!

Thanks for the video it helped. I got a badger brush from my older sister for Christmas and shaving soap it helped so much thank you for the video.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Justin Taylor excellent, glad to hear it! What is your current soap of choice?

@DerekBoldiene360

7 жыл бұрын

Michael Freedberg The one my sister got me is Henry Cavendish Himalaya Shaving Soap with Shea Butter & Coconut Oil. Long Lasting 3.8 oz Puck Refill. Himalaya Fragrance.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Justin Taylor looks like a pretty good soap, and if you like that soap, there are many other options you can investigate!

Great techniques! Good stuff

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Chris T Glad you enjoyed it, hope it helped!

You're having way to much fun doing that. I wish I could have fun.

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+KrazIIvan I think you can have fun too..

Thank you very much, kind sir, for this exquisite video

I appreciate this tutorial. Thank you sir.

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

i95smuggler You are very welcome, glad it helped!

Very informative, I can see now my later is too thin. This will help.

THank you! After viewing this I attempted the wet brush method and obtained a BBS shave with an Isreali blade (from the grocery store) and it was the 3rd use of the blade , 3 passes each shave...not bad, not bad at all. When I finished it looked like I got mugged by Mr. Bubble. This has made a difference +++. I've been wet shaving now for 2 months.

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, glad one of these two options worked out for you! As you get used to how much water to use, you will find your lather will improve over these first few...keep it up and welcome!

Wow 😮 very nice at explaining. Thanks

@mfreedberg

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, glad to hear that helped! Make some practice lathers before your next shave, so you get a good feel of what the lather should feel like: wet, slippery, a bit shiny, and SLICK!

Attempted a shave this morning with an incorrect lathering technique and nicked my neck area quite a bit. Attempted the dry method this evening shown in this video with much greater success. Thanks for the lesson

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Dem You are very welcome, glad to hear the video helped you! What soap or cream are you using?

@JimmyRaptis

7 жыл бұрын

Proraso Green soap

I almost despaired with the badger hair brush, I just couldn't get a solid foam. Thanks to your video it works perfectly now. Thank you very much, you helped me a lot.

@mfreedberg

Ай бұрын

Glad I could help!

It's amazing in the second method you did, how you start building the lather on your face and in the beginning it is very foamy and dripping and airy, and when you keep lathering and adding more water it comes together and finally you have enough dense slicky lather for 3 or more passes! Perhaps you are the king of lathering??! George

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

The "wet" method is very similar to the Marco method you often see referenced on Badger & Blade. I know it seems impossible that you need to add water to the already quite wet lather, but the extra water helps to form a denser, more consistent lather *even though it started off very wet*. I like to lather, I will not lie!

Thank you for teaching me this =)

The need of a good lather is very logical,,,good video

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

+P. Lanz Glad you enjoyed it!

Hi, i always made the second way, but i am gonna try the first way with the dry brush. Thank you!

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

Try it and see if it works for you - the key is to keep adding drips of water as you build the lather, and in fact you can add drips of water as you load the brush as well. Hope it works for you!

@hectorrangel1580

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, i did it that way and i like it, the only thing that doesn`t like is the brush was dropping a lot of hair jeje and if i keep ding that way sooner i have to buy another brush because it is gonna get bold soon jeje but it is a good way to lather. Thank you again!

Very good techniques and showing of it :) Thx.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

You are very welcome, hope it helped!

Thank for the tutorial!

@mfreedberg

Жыл бұрын

You are very welcome; I hope your shaves are going great!

Good information. Thank you sir.

Thanks for the informative video. I work on ships, and need to fly to most of them, so a shaving soap is easier to carry than a can.

@mfreedberg

4 жыл бұрын

I would look to use a shave stick, then, and you have lots of great options. Very easy to pack, easy to use, and no issues building a great lather with little work. Good luck, and let me know if you need any recommendations!

Great explanations--thanks so much for the vid! I've always done something like the dry method. With wet, what is done in the soap dish afterward? Try to take as much lather out as possible when finishing loading the brush... or try to pour out excess water... or just leave it? Does the soap soak up water or is it just fine closed up soaking wet?

"if you do this, lather may go flying" Check! I've started lathering with a brush about 1.5 years ago and I watched this video then. I just came back to it because I switched soaps and have been having trouble getting a good lather. I just had one of the best shaves I've had in a while after watching this again. Thanks!

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Nate Verge lather flying is a good thing! Very glad to hear the video has been of use more than once...what soap did you switch to?

Thanks for sharing, very informative.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Jared Klock you are welcome!

Thx for a great video. Im pretty to new to shaving with a safety razor. Your vids helped me with several things :) Using proraso shaving soap atm and a Rockwell razor model T . Trying out different blades atm.

@mfreedberg

5 жыл бұрын

If you need to pick up more blades to try, check out tryablade.com for their sample packs -- great stuff!

You’re a true veteran shaver fun to watch and learn, even tho I’ve been shaving much longer than you I still learn new ideas. I wish you’d do a SLAM shave again, that’s my favorite DE...if I have any secret it’s in my pre shave routine, as a man ages his face becomes more vulnerable hence fewer passes are required. My pre-shave method almost guarantees me a one pass SLAM plus clean up. A great razor imo.

@mfreedberg

6 жыл бұрын

SLAM shave? Do you mean the SLAB (Shave Like a Boss), or "shave like a man"?? I never bought one, unfortunately, it was a very good razor. Thanks so much for watching!

@pauldance7387

6 жыл бұрын

Michael Freedberg “shave like a boss” probably my favorite DE ...smooth yet aggressive. You did a side-by-side using one a year ago or longer.

Thanks, very helpful

Thumbs up! At first I thought I was watching Jack Webb showing how to lather! LOL Great video guy, I needed this as I am a beginner and my very first shave did not lather....now I know why! Thanks!

Thanks for the video! This is great. I made so many mistakes this morning before seeing this.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

And? How are things going now? Are you getting better shaves? I hope so!!

@Tommyotskey1994

7 жыл бұрын

It has been great! I haven't had the skin irritation I'd been dealing with from electric and cartridge razors, and I've really started to enjoy shaving!

Thank you for the video.

Your vid showed me that although I have been wet shaving for about 3 years, I don't use nearly enough water when building my lather. I went from Gillette blades to Feather blades and now I know I need to use more water (using a hard soap). I guess I'm going to be learning this art for some time.

@mfreedberg

7 жыл бұрын

+Ed Stanley that is the beauty of KZread, always something new to learn! Come back in a month and let us know how things are going, hopefully you will be getting some excellent lather out of your hard soap.

@IlluisveMan

7 жыл бұрын

I hope so. The Feather blades are pretty unforgiving and I'm thinking about trying a straight razor.

Almost 2 years later and your video just saved my neck. A moment of silence for pun intended... Really tho, thank you so much. I'm cursed with thick Irish Sicilian hair that grows in multiple directions. I've tried shave cream and a soap but could never get the lather just right; and if I did, I would still end up getting a couple nics. I've used the same blades for years but with can soap and would get a couple nics even with that. After trying the dry brush method, I realized this created a much thicker lubricant that gave me the best shave results. I've read your responses to other commenters and think the reason for this is the soap I have is a bad cheap brand. It likes to dry fast, even with a thick no big bubbles lather. I'm sure a soap from a more notable manufacturer will require less soap to achieve a good lather that wont dry out but I am at a loss on where to start. I've read a lot of reviews but none of them mention if there are any that are better for dry skin with iron clad whiskers than others. Do you by chance have any recommendations?

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Bear Lawrence Another life saved! For dry skin you have a lot of options. Coconut oil based soaps, from RazoRock, Tiki Bar, Barrister and Mann (Latha) and many others will be a big help. If you are ok with lanolin, you should try Mitchells Wool Fat or the soaps from the Sudsy Soapery. The problem is that there are so many great soaps now, you really cannot go wrong. If you look at Maggards, I think they offer a great selection of soap samples, which will let you get a feel for what works for you. And yes, a better soap will make a HUGE difference.

Super Helpful. Thanks.

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Alias Alias glad the video helped, you are very welcome!

Excellent!

Ahahaha such a great video! This helped when lathering up such a hit and miss with me but i see now why that was,thank you!

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+LeonSKennedy602 Glad to hear it helped!

this looks useful. was wondering if you could do a video on making lather in a bowl?

@mfreedberg

9 жыл бұрын

San Fran Sam I did once include a bowl lather in one of my videos, I believe it was the review of the Tcheon Fung Sing soaps. I may come back to do one, but there are already a number of good ones out there. Would mine be better? Maybe :-)

very helpful. Much appreciated!

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+tito fuentes Glad to be of help!

Great video - my technique tends to be a touch wetter than your "dry brush" method, but nothing like as wet as your wet-load technique. I always find (living in a hard-water area of the UK) that your reference to heavily-loading the brush is vital.

@mfreedberg

10 жыл бұрын

Chris Bell, I have hard water as well. Not enough soap loaded in the first place leads to all kinds of issues, and soap is pretty cheap in the scheme of things, so load up! Thanks for watching!

@w0033944

10 жыл бұрын

Agreed - I'm a regular on The Shaving Room forum, and have been saying this to a new member in the last few days.

@rynesmith4309

10 жыл бұрын

I have the same issue here in my part of Colorado. I have recently starting loading the brush much more heavily than I have seen others do and it has improved my shaving lather immensely. I am practically almost building my lather in the mug before face lathering.

Very informative thank you!

@mfreedberg

8 жыл бұрын

+Snarky Greg You are very welcome!

Very good video!

@mfreedberg

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, hope it helped you get the lather you were looking for!