Brilliant review. It’s the Lambretta for me, love the styling, detail, and the colour. It looks like what innocenti would be building today had they continued.

@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately that’s the wrong answer. The styling is horrible even from the rear it looks like a ped…😔

I've got a Lambretta V200 Special, and love it.

unfortunatly you cant compare them against an original 2 stroke geared lambretta, different experience altogether, as for retro looks the royal alloy is nearest

Great review guys. I own a Royal Alloy GP200 (bought after seeing your review) & am well pleased with it. Also own a 2stroke Vespa PX, but for longer rides I’ll always use the Royal Alloy.

Excellent review guys, really enjoyed it and you covered everything 👍 I started the video preferring the royal alloy, but by the end I am leaning more towards the Lambretta. Better brand tyres, storage space under the seat, brighter headlight, better handling..... very interesting 🤔

@4th_Lensman_of_the_apocalypse

Жыл бұрын

But it looks horrible! Did you get one?

I think if it’s retro your looking for the RA would win hands down, good review.

Had two original Lambrettas and now own a Royal Alloy GP which I Love. Would not, could not, should not ever be seen on the new Lambretta. The whole point of Lambretta is its history and heritage so to turn out a prosaic looking shopper like this is a great dis-service to the brand. Had they turned out the equivalent of the Royal Allow with Lambretta badges and charged £1000 more people would be fighting to own one. A huge missed opportunity for scooterists and Lambretta.

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting point.

@kevinmurtagh3434

5 жыл бұрын

I think the lambretta suits smaller people

@MikeColwell

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmurtagh3434 I'd forgot how low they are and it shows next to a Royal Alloy, You need a different mind set with a lammy.

@harrygreb8427

4 жыл бұрын

Pompous twat

@fishface20077002

4 жыл бұрын

I agree totally. I didn't see your comment before I posted my own but yes. Same with Vespa, Just make an auto PX with a vespa badge. Everyone else saw it, why didn't they?

I wouldn't give the Lambretta a second glance on the street because it looks like many other generic, modern scooters, and that 'beeping' would drive me potty! If you just want it for the brand name then go for it. However, if you hanker after that authentic 60's look without the fragrant 'blue smoke' and 'bizzy-buzzy' vibes then the Royal Alloy is the one to have IMHO... 🖖

I`ve test ridden both these scooters and personally neither beat the Peugeot Django for comfort,looks and handling on the twisties. Great review as usual fellas.

Obviously this is an old video. But I have two 1965 Lambrettas one I’m riding one I’m restoring.. I’ve been riding my S3 125 for around 6 years now & it’s absolutely awesome on short journeys.. However I’m considering buying myself a new Royal Alloy TG125 LC for journeys up to & over a hundred miles ..as for me at nearly 70 years old & over 6’ tall is very uncomfortable as much as I love it.. For me the Royal Alloy gets my vote as the looks & shape are very clearly based on Lambrettas of old..especially the newer TG models that are based on the old Lambretta S2 Whereas the new Lambretta just looks like another Chinese take off !!

Great review your videos get more comedic while still covering all the bases funny and informative well done

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Good review. Let me share my experience... I bought a V200 Lambretta for something different after a string of vintage and modern Vespas. Rode around on it for just 2 months before I sold it. Cons: Seat to floor ratio is way too tight for anyone 5ft 10inch +. The tapered floor makes it horribly uncomfortable for anything greater than 15 min. It feels like you're sitting on your tail bone with your knees above your waist, ergonomically it was rotten for me. WARNING: The seat is perforated and NOT WATER PROOF. You'll be sitting on a sponge after a shower, what a silly oversight! The engine is grindingly noisy, possibly the worst engine I've ever heard on scooter. Speedo is not legible making frequent double takes to check your speed. crappy ground clearance at a lean and prone to picking the rear wheel up when the centre stand touches down, beware, there is very little warning and often its too late when it does! It's SLOW, a Vespa 150 3V will dust it. Lots of vibrations transmitted through the hadlebars. The more you look at it the worse it looks. A design that's aesthetically cohesive should do the opposite, its trivial for many but worth mentioning because these machines were created to do just that. I think this is due to platform sharing with the SYM fiddle. Positives: Appears well put together and the chassis feels tight and stable, L.E.D lights are good, it says "Lambretta" on the tin, tires are decent, brakes work well. Other than that, my suggestion is fork out the extra coin if you want an all metal quality scooter and buy a Vespa Sprint or Primavera. There's are endless customisations, performance parts if you want to reinvent it after some time. Take the "Pepsi" challenge and see for yourself. :)

@kevinmurtagh3434

4 жыл бұрын

Katsas13 thanks for a great review,

I appreciate the review so thorough and entertaining. I recently purchased the 2020 RA in the states in sky blue. I own a Vespa scooter which I love but no signs of Lambretta for sale here.

I m in love with Royal Alloy.

Hi guys. The pseudo double act is unnecessary and is a distraction from the otherwise great reviews. Just saying!

@chrisrebar2381

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I had to give up after 5 mins

@youngandrew66

6 ай бұрын

Misery arse.. theyre trying.... put 'very' if you wish😂

Strangely, the lambretta details follow the original GP200, whereas the RA side panels are based around the old SX200 although the proportions are annoyingly slightly out. The lambretta is a more homogeneous development of the slimline Lambrettas in the same way that the Vespa GTS is a modern development of the sixties models such as the GS160, or the 150 super which I had around 1970. While the RA aims to replicate the slimline models that Pininfarina styled, the front apron is too rounded more like a series 1 TV 175. The horn cover too misses the mark looking more like something off a Cadillac. The lambretta does it for me I’m afraid. More convincing.

Nice video, if I was after a 125 cc I would pick the royal alloy, and there again white would be my colour. The last ‘ Lambretta ‘ I owned was a 1980 silk Indian made GP200, I loved its looks but out of Vespa and Lambretta I would for me say Vespa. The px is for some reason better to ride as you sit in rather than on it. I’m large and I didn’t feel right with the Lambretta. Currently I have a Vespa px200 and a Vespa gts 300ie. I would have to sit on one of , or both of the new offerings to see how it felt.

@davidcarroll2035

5 жыл бұрын

I meant sil... stupid predictive text! X

The front shocks on Royal Alloy are also dveloped by Honda in early 1980s and was called "TLAD"(Twin Link Anti-Dive) which is using the variable shapes of parallelogram of fixed side length to lessen the dive of emergency brake, thus to decrease the wear out of front shocks.

Quite fancy beeping indicators, good safety feature though self cancelling indicators would be better, bright led headlights awesome. Vespa butty box's on a lammi, really?. I'm sticking with the vespa et4 125, can buy immaculate one with less than100 miles for a grand or so, I like it but may add buzzers for indicators and led lights, and maybe kit engine or water cooled head and 180. Gillera runner barrel. Just stay on top of paint and rust bubbles, treat asap or will rust through. My gp125 was ok but did break down slot. Prefer twist and go to be fair.

I had a 1967 Lambretta Cento ..... I still prefer the Lambretta . Be interesting to know the load capabilities for both regarding carrying a passenger . Would have been good if you both tried them riding with a pillion for people to gauge the spaces on the seats.

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

We will do a snippet vid of that just for you!

@CiBi1968

5 жыл бұрын

@@motorsforthemasses Can you do it wearing Bunny Costumes 🐰 ? ... If not motorcycle gear will do fine 🛵🛵🛵 .... 😉

The GY6 engines on Royal Alloy were developed by Honda and have a long lasting proven record for being used by scooters of many brands. My 30 years old Kymco 125 scooter was adopting this engine exactly. I never had any troubles about it with regular oil changes. In fact, I bought my Kymco scooter used 5 years old then and rode it for commuting as well as errands with least cares necessary, however it never failed me. Recently I intend to give it a thorough check-up then ride it for a cruising tour around Taiwan for 500 miles.

Brilliant review as usual and you two are hilarious,for me its the lambretta.

I think the Lambretta is designed to look similar to this 1972 GP200 that's for sale on Ebay. Which, I think, it does.

@Jaffa1951

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, couldn't get the photo to upload. Where's my granson when I need him. Anyway, look it up yourself.

Love them both ,not sure yet which one i would go for but brilliant and comical, video so thanks . did you mention mpg? di i miss that ,

Both of these modern contenders make the grade For pure aesthetics I'd go for the Royal Alloy bet then again I would hate having no under seat storage I'll still keep my first ever Vespa GTS 250 as it has the proven piaggio engine and all the range have liquid cooling and I'm a lambretta freak

when I was younger I had 3 lambrettas a ld ali150 atv175 I enjoyed riding them .now in my seventies I have a Peugeot city star and I think its the best bike t have ever ridden ps. did the number plates fall off the scooters you rode

@ipaddy

5 жыл бұрын

jack hardy they are both new unregistered scooters that's why when doing the on road test he had a trade plate hanging from his back just as car dealers do in the U.K.

Another great review guys. I think I’m gonna get the royal alloy. You should do a serious review of a Sinclair C5 if you can get hold of one 😉.

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

I know where there is one locally...will give it some thought.

@joshualangstaff3230

5 жыл бұрын

Motors for the Masses thought it would suit you I used to have one myself and they’re much more fun than what seems at first.

another good review

The new Lambretta just looks more like a retro Honda Vision, for me it'd be the Royal Alloy, if I was in the market for a small capacity scooter. 300cc+ & gears would get me in that market.

Brilliant ! The host is good and hilarious but i think this video will be much better if you put some backgroud music 👍

Royal Alloy just looks better imho

Great review 👍😁🛵

Great review guys Never ridden a scooter but might even try one of these!! 😊😊

RA is 620mm wide?? Where did they measure that?

The Royal Alloy is a silly name for a scooter but it does look stunning tho and way nicer than the modern Lambretta

Can you fit a carton of Umbongo In the Royal Alloy glove box ? As that could be a deal breaker if not.

@TOTk1980

5 жыл бұрын

I can't promise, but I feel you may be able to fit two as well as your chosen annual festive treats :)

I wish you could take them both on the twisties I found the single shock absorber hampered my riding style.

I can't believe that Lambretta didn't keep the classic look. The new Lambretta styling reminds me of the Vespa Cosa in ways in terms of trying to modernize the look but just not quite getting it right. Once you lose the curves and replace them with angles then you have lost the essence of what a classic Italian scooter is. I used to dream of someone making a reliable, affordable Lambretta automatic that looked just like a GP. Lambretta Innovations were the early runners as I remember back in the day. I think they do another auto clone called a Scomadi. Anyway I just found out that there's a dealer not far from me selling Royals so it's one for me as a fair weather ride next year...can't wait.

Well, about the drag race test... How could possibly someone try this at home? Are they could drive bikes in the livingroom or something?

Ironically if innocenti were still making lambrettas today they would probably look more like the V125 than the Royal alloy. This whole myth that innocenti would be making scooters that looked like something straight out of the 1960s is rubbish. They would have been competing directly with vespa and improved there range and brought out new models,just look at the mid 1980's Spanish Lynx as an example.

@martingordon8351

4 жыл бұрын

I think you are right on this mark,I mean Vespas look nothing like they did in the sixties and people don’t seem to mind buying them.Its a modern looking scooter.I like the look of the royal alloy myself but I chose the lambretta and I have not been disappointed with it.The way some people come on here and give the lambretta a bad review you would think they were being forced to buy one,it’s a simple choice,if you like the royal alloy because you think a modern scooter should look like a vintage model then buy that one.

@martingordon8351

4 жыл бұрын

Mike Howe ,sorry about getting your name wrong mike😄😄.

Comparing the two on looks, feel and build, I've been into two shops, which had both on display. I sat on both, and touched the panels etc.. to see how sturdy they are. The RA GP defo easy to tell it's metal! The Lambretta(SYM), not so certain, so I asked the dealer in both shops, and both said Lambretta(SYM) is NOT metal bodied/panels! Lambretta(SYM) is All plastic!! The headset feels plasticky, near the handlebars etc.. However, the RA GP is mostly Metal! And feels a LOT more solid and substantially built! Minus the horn and mudguard, which are plastic! The only plus I can see for the Lambretta (SYM) is slightly less maintenance on the front forks, and maybe better mileage, due to lighter weight plastic panels etc.. Go see for yourself, unless I was told false information by the dealers??? Don't quote me on info I was told! Personally I love the RA GP 125, and waiting to collect a second hand one, with very low mileage from the dealership, I've placed half my deposit down on!

@indigenouspatriot9008

Жыл бұрын

What engine is in the RA the sym engine is far superior so you keep saying lambretta sym is disingenuous you obviously haven't got a clue

How about a pepperami under the seat?

Love your reviews chaps, will you be doing the liquid cooled Royal Alloy GP125 anytime soon?

Does the Lambretta come in a 150 or 175 version, or better yet a 200 Jet

He picked the lambretta for the tight turns.. but he handled the royal alloy perfrctly and lambretta he looked off lol..

Be nice to see you try some bigger scoots, 3/4/500cc its next league power and quality over the chinese stuff.

I love both this scooters

I’ve got the v200 and it would be interesting to see a comparison between the lambretta v200 and the royal alloy gp200.

@scooterkev6978

3 жыл бұрын

seen the price of original exhaust? 692 quid!

The Royal alloy looks like lambretta n the lambretta looks like a royal Enfield fantabulous scooter🤔 Ironic

yeah brilliant guys but you missed the fact that a new exhaust part for v special is 692 quid!!!!! not joking

Are they both made out of plastic? Thanks

@motorsforthemasses

4 жыл бұрын

Video explains that

A comparison between the RA200 and the Lambretta V200 would be interesting.

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

Watch this space...

@kevinmurtagh3434

5 жыл бұрын

But there only 184cc

@celticboy1950

5 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmurtagh3434 No! one is 169, the other 181

Is the lambretta as customisable as the older ones?

Hi guys,are the royal alloys is made of metal body?

I have insetto with lonjia engine same as royal alloy and weighs less than it. Nice and smooth yep but top speed only about 57mph real and 95mpg.

How was the comfort factor on both bikes and which one would be better for a 6ft person who is on the heavier side of life? Loved the review.

@motorsforthemasses

4 жыл бұрын

I feel the Lambretta was a slightly softer ride and both are similar size, but the RA had a more authentic feel. I can only recommend you sit on them both side by side and get someone to take a photo of you on them.

@Tcoldsteel

10 ай бұрын

I went for the RA because it looks much better in my opinion

Can we get both these companies to import to Canada please!

Have they ever corrected the Lambretta display saying 'Goodnight'?

@motorsforthemasses

Жыл бұрын

Not sure...

@clangerbasher

Жыл бұрын

@@motorsforthemasses In a way it would sort of put me off buying one. Can you imagine showing it your friends who knew nothing about scooters. It would look naff. I think I am noticing because I do think it is rather nice. I am getting a 70s DDR vibe from it. Thanks for replying.

@clangerbasher

Жыл бұрын

@@motorsforthemasses Yes they did fix it.

My bike clicks when using the indicator

One very hot review -Phew

I like the retro headlamp on the Royal Alloy.. yellowy glow from a real bulb.

@apm136

5 жыл бұрын

i think it clashes with the LED strip too much

Anyone else notice the bouncy girl at 17.24 🤣👌

As you said..the new 'badged' lambretta is a sim fiddle 3 with design tweaks to make it vaguely look lambrettaish if you squint. Im sure its a great modern machine but it is no lambretta. The royal alloy is a ripped off british designed scomadi made by hanway in china,who used to make scomadis. Good modern machine and more authentic in styling if you like autos

I would have thought you lot would have noticed the various rallies to Yarmouth, Lowestoft and Gorleston over the years and the northern soul all weekenders at the big Pontins outside Yarmouth O.o The Gt Yarmouth rally was the best rally event of the year after IoW and we used to camp opp the old theme park there, mods were the mirror lot, scooterboys, scooterists and scooter skinheads would rather saw off their tadger with a rusty bread knife than slap masses of mirrors on.

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

Apologies for any mistake on who rides what....we are bellends afterall.

@robertjohnston1086

4 жыл бұрын

Ian Watson But Ian a MOD will ALWAYS look cooler ......

LAMBRWTTA FOR ME IS THE BEST

@radhakrishnana9893

Жыл бұрын

Hi all I'm

The Royal alloy is what lambretta should have done

@davespooney8472

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed, they cheeped out and face lifted a Fiddle 3. With more investment and confidence in the Lambretta brand - it could have been a corker. For the lack of respect towards Lambretta, I hope their sales suffer and they see sense.

I think people Go after the original series 3 style lammy because they love the looks of that series .Therefore the nearer a modern scooter looks to the original the more likely they are to buy that one. I have owned 3 slim styles an LI 150 aTV200 and a 69 GP200 I bought the first one in 1963 [I was 17] the last one in 1995. If I was going to buy a modern retro twist & go I would buy the R/A as its has stayed truer to type. I think the Lambreta [badge only] has drifted too far away from that look .that front mudguard looks like a pooper scooper but this is only my opinion I would love to try a R/A 200 looks + power a heady mix

Lambretta the best!!!!

Thanks, You Guy’s Help me!

Oh sorry the video already answered my question.

Lambretta must launch all its Petrol Royal Alloy GP variant Scooters in India as soon as Possible .

When Lambretta bother to conduct market research they will make a 500cc manual SX or TV which will smash Royal Alloy and Scomadi into bankruptcy.

HOW ABOUT VEZPA S125?..🤔🙏🌏☮️🇵🇭👊💪💚♥️

The Royal Alloy is very much like a last build S3 GP Lambretta in looks but is it just not a different moulded Neco Abruzzi by and large? I don't care for the actual Lambretta offering, reminds me of the disastrous and vile LN125 range which in my mind was just a company trying to cash in on a name to a following on what was a hideous moped. I would have a Royal Alloy all day long as a daily as I am fond of the modernity versions, but then I have in my front room a real one, a 1958 first 1000 (no 617) build Li Lambretta in a state of unfittedness of bits and next to that I have my 1985 again first 1000 run build MotoVespa MK1 T5 in a state of apartness awaiting some bits to fix up to get back on road (has a LML Xpress engine in which is as powerful as a Vespa P200 which I bought back door straight from the factory in India and amazing engine) Also do remember that the GY6 is incredibly easy to tune up to a decent 180cc demon or if you want to mess with water take it up to a 250cc nutter build, don't know if you can do that with the Lammy sewing machine engine :S

@kevinmurtagh3434

5 жыл бұрын

The GY6 is not an easy engine to up grade. ... Several dealers have backed away from conversion.

@ipaddy

5 жыл бұрын

Gy6 variants the world over can be tuned easy but the version Frank chose for the Scomadi is an arse to tune up

Hi Guys Good review. I have to say that having owned both a Lambretta LI150 and a Vespa GS 160 in my younger days neither of these light my fire. The Lambretta is pig ugly and the Royal Alloy being the closest to a sixties Lambretta in style still has a long way to go. I appreciate that the bigger 4 stroke engines take up more space in the frame, but really the pillion riders comfort is terrible as far as foot rests are concerned and the exhaust boxes are just plain awful. The sixties Lambretta box was soooo much neater even with a beer bottle pipe and the Vespa was beautifully tucked under the frame with only the tail pipe on view. These two are disgusting!!!! Okay so they both run larger wheels than the traditional scooters but that makes them look too high on the road and with all the rear end hanging out they just look wrong. Sure they have better engines now and maybe more comfortable but its a shame someone doesn't make a proper scooter any more. Regards Dave

Just got a Modena 125 at a grand cheaper , looks better what's not to like

@wesrogerson185

3 жыл бұрын

How is it holding up? I'm thinking of getting the milano

Oh, they've got those "gearboxes." Lambretta has disappointed.

Neither of these or any auto scooter ride like a real geared lambretta. Worlds apart. If you want a real thrill you need the real thing.

Great information chaps and amusing....Roy alloy as I call them...able to buy a tasso exhaust which sounds something !!

Nice bikes ...

Rivenditore qui in provincia di Verona o posto più vicino Italia..

Don’t like the beeping on the lambretta, sound like a lorry reversing.....

@motorsforthemasses

5 жыл бұрын

Lol. That sound does seem to travel well.

I had a Lambrettas GP 200 li 200 original and i would go for the Royal alloy it looks like one actually look like a Lambretta where are the orange Lambretta that you were riding looks awful looks like the cheap Chinese everyday scooter royal alloy have done an amazing job well done you. Would I buy a Royal alloy yes absolutely would I buy the new Lambretta definitely not

You could borrow an original one & then compare! Please!

What was that! The Billy and Johnny show?🙄

RA for me..

You only weighed one of the bikes and are going to just accept the advertised number on the other one? Never believe advertised weights, power ratings or speeds from anybody who's trying to sell you something.

I liked royal more

I have ridden original Lambretta, more than one but now I ride a Vespa GTS 300. I have toyed with the idea of a Royal Alloy 300 for some time. I am a massive Lambretta fan but if I buy a Lambretta look alike now it would have to be the Royal Alloy. For me the Lambretta design is not close enough to the original, shame. I have ridden a fiddle 3 on holiday in Europe and feel it doesn't quite do it for me.

Shame they ruined the look of the Lambretta particularly the leg shields and front and even from the rear looks 80s…😔

Where's the Scomadi ?!! - Look into the politics of Royal Alloy; a Chinese company blatantly stole the design and development of British company after agreeing to build the bikes; then tried to put them out of business by supplying faulty engines - look into it. Really liked the review though, but next time choose the Scomadi. (Yes I own a TL)

very funny

first off it`s not a lambretta it`s a cheap ass sym heap badged as a lambretta ,as for the other it`s a rip off of the work done by frank sanderson ,you pair might actually try and read up on them

Lambretta is So stylish Than Royal Alloy scooter The real styling is very bore in Case of Ca ടA We Indians dislike your design .

@motorsforthemasses

4 жыл бұрын

It's a 1960's/70's British thing...

How can a non Scooter person review scooters. Plus they have never rode an original Lambretta

@motorsforthemasses

4 жыл бұрын

Gives a non-biased view

These two guys are acting like sheldon and Leonard from big bang theory 😬

There is only one INNOCENTI.

The RA looks more like a Lambretta … gave a SX and a Vespa to my friends son many years ago how stupid is that🇬🇧

RA sounds better

Try a SH 300I Honda