I think a rerow would have been more honorable. Now nobody wins.

The sad thing about this is I would expect no one in that Leander crew is particularly proud of that medal. A rerow would have been the better outcome. But in future, its quite clear that to prevent accusations of bias, no umpire with affiliations to clubs racing should umpire a race.

@HomeMadeBow

3 ай бұрын

The Leander Crew did nothing wring. They have no reason to feel any shame. Coach according to the rules. Simple stuff really.

It looks like the coach was indicating for his crew to do what the umpire was instructing them to do, if that was the case i doubt the umpire is going to get a Christmas card Nereus any time soon.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Coach broke the rules clear and simple. Applies to both crews

Fair enough.. but you can’t have a ex Man united player refereeing a Man united vs Man city match in a cup final . 🤦🏼‍♂️

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Rowing attracts a higher level of intelligence, common sense and fair play compared to football don’t you think.

@djj6452

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterbest5938 I was Metaphorically speaking..anyhow it how one defines intelligence.. common sense which most sports need to become successful.. fair play is from all parties. Etiquette is vital !

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@djj6452 agreed and Boris is top umpire who does if needed enforce the rules rigorously in support of athlete fairness. His record does not suggest bias towards Leander or any U.K. crews in fact he expects domestic entries to have a surer understanding of the rules and regulations. Boris never rowed for Leander and is a member of a lot of rowing clubs to which he shows zero bias. The fact remains the Dutch coach stepped over the clear line and broke the rules. For an ex Dutch international and Olympic rower the mistake was pure rookie

@djj6452

3 жыл бұрын

@@peterbest5938 I can’t agree more ... the Dutch have lived on the edge of rules since the Golden age . I believe that if HRR invites some more international umpires the fairer the race. Wimbledon for instance. HRR classes itself as an international event but has a lot maybe British stewards panel .

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@djj6452 “international umpires” that implies the existing team of HRR qualified umpires is poor or bias. All HRR umpires have an international license and then are invited to train and qualify to umpire at the regatta and that means not just in the launches but timing and elsewhere. The issue with becoming a steward is there are plants of ‘international’ ones elected. Quite a few simply cannot commit to the meetings and traveling to fulfill the role - so the regatta is staffed with the folks it has which is kinda difficult to challenge when you see the caliber of actual stewards. You’re always gonna get partisan arguments especially by foreign crews some of who think the regatta is run by Leander when in fact the club has absolutely nothing to do with with it apart from it being run on the same stretch of river that Leander, Upper Thames and Henley RC are all based

From the video you can clearly see that the Nereus coach was urging his rowers to move away from the Leander crew, just like the umpire was. Terrible reason for disqualification

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Fact. During the race the coach and in particular from the launch support staff are forbidden to intervene or coach the crews. Rules apply to both crews and their coaches. Perfectly fair and this rule has been in place for many many years. Shocking behaviour by Dutch coach and crew

"Ran by Leander rowers, for Leander rowers"

@joshburrows9245

7 жыл бұрын

Tar900x 23 and that quote is from where?

@bendtheoar839

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure, but Rankov can not really be considered a Leander rower.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Fake news

That's so unfair

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Nope the Dutch coach cost them the race. The rules apply to all crews and competitors and coaches. Nothing to do with nationalism.

A disgraceful decision. Absolute disgrace.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Why?

Wrong final decision by a man wearing pink socks, system needs rethinking

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Clear breach of the rules that apply to both crews

Pink ties and pink socks deciding in favour of the pinks, straightforward bias!

@tombryce348

6 жыл бұрын

Paul Rushmere no, the coach coached his crew. That is against the RULES

@jimmypatton3183

6 жыл бұрын

Tom Bryce Are you honestly trying to say that Nereus didn’t win that race? Do you really believe that the coach waving his hand slightly caused those boys to go any faster? Cmon man. I think you know as well as we do that that was a disgraceful decision to change the result of a great race.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@tombryce348 agree 100%

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimmypatton3183 the rules are clear. Leading and coaching your crew in any shape or form from the launch or bank is not allowed that applies to all crews and coaches. Dutch coach cost them the race

You’ve got to love this. An English crew against Johnny Foreigner. An umpire called Boris waving white and red flags and using a megaphone. Boaters, blazers, roses in button holes and pink ties. A coach cheating. Rule 41n . Note to competitors 33c. (Only disappointed there was reference to subsection iv) Reference to our national Treasure “Steve” as the ultimate authority (only us English can be impartial and just and he was quite right to award it to his countrymen , he also happens to be a member of the same club). Umpire encouraging the English team to complain (how on earth they saw the opposition coach cheating when he did so behind the umpire’s back and he was blocking their view is amazing) The Ladies plate but no ladies competing. A sport you do sitting down and we really are jolly good at. Unsportsmanlike conduct and most disturbing of all “controversy over the Lunch break” You’ve got to love this. It’s all you want in a sport. It’s why we are such a great nation no one else in the world can make up sports and sporting rules like we can.

Nereus won. If there was any unsportsmanlike behaviour it came from Leander who, as the home club, should have accepted the result with good grace. From the umpiring point of view the question is: did either the poor steering or the coach's waving his hand affect the result? OK, I wasn't in the launch, but looking at the video I would say that it didn't. So Nereus won.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Dutch coach disgusting behaviour broke the rules that apply to both crews. He knew that. Would you say the same if Leander had behaved the same way and won - no of course you wouldn’t.

@paulflory3532

Жыл бұрын

@carolineturnbull1929 : As a competitor I would have agreed with you 100%. One step was missing here: before DQ'ing the dutch crew, the Leander crew should have been consulted and asked whether they wanted Nereus disqualified for this "coaching" (not considering bad steering here). I bet they would have voted no, because disqualifying Nereus did not mean Leander WON the race,. Would you really want to win the trophy this way? The coach's impulsive handwaving probably had no effect on the outcome. Doubtful if it was even noticeable 20 yards away by the Nereus stroke. In the heat of the race, he was likely fully occupied trying to hang onto their lead. Far more honorable and sportsmanlike to decline the penalty. Can't help thinking of the analogy of expelling a family that had come to one's house for dinner because one of their kids used the wrong fork: zero effect on the flavor or enjoyment of the food. If a penalty MUST be applied in a situation like this, it would make more sense to penalize the coach, either a fine or a ban from riding in the launch (which could apply to any coach from that club in any HRR event for the following year). What is disgusting to me is the way this situation was handled, not the behavior of the Dutch coach. Rules should be enforced with thought, not mindlessly. On a much lesser scale, something similar happened to me in the 1x at the Head of the Charles. A guy I was passing angled over into me and we tangled, a violation of the rules carrying a 1 minute time penalty for him. The referee mistakenly applied the penalty to me, I appealed and won the appeal, and, bless them, they asked me if I wanted the 1' penalty to be assigned to the other guy. I said no: (a) it was inadvertent, (b) sorting ourselves out cost him (and me) time, (c) since I had caught him I had already beaten him, and (d) adding 1' to his time would not deduct 1' from mine.

@blueninja3782

11 ай бұрын

@@paulflory3532 my guy spent 2 years working on his essay

A petulant decision by the umpire that was beyond disgraceful. I am appalled.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

I was appalled by the blatant behaviour of the Dutch coach. He knows the rules and blatantly broke them. Why should he and his crew be excused?

@48Nugget

10 ай бұрын

Boris being Boris. Never liked him. He's an attention-seeking *rsehole.

Unbelievable

@keepcalmycarryon

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The Ladies Plate should never have been introduced, as it almost certainly created the necessary insolence that led to the creation of the Henley Women's Regatta, an even greater travesty. What say you? I shudder at the Impropriety & Fear for my safe-ty. Good Day.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@keepcalmycarryon what crap 💩

@tyrannosaurusrex3436

2 жыл бұрын

@@keepcalmycarryon I hope your comment is a joke.

@keepcalmycarryon

2 жыл бұрын

​@@tyrannosaurusrex3436 "Hope is familiarity refracted." - Franzre van Duuretz Or is it "Familiarity is hope refracted?" Wait, who is this?? _Le Sigh._

@tyrannosaurusrex3436

2 жыл бұрын

@@keepcalmycarryon Do you really think women shouldn't compete at Henley?

A hopeless umpire

Nereus won, this way of conduct is incredibly disgusting, no true sportsman would agree with the decision made imo. Its a very bad stain on an otherwise incredible tournament. Shame on you!

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

The rule is clear - no coaching of crew from within the umpire launch. Like most regattas you’re not allowed to coach a crew that is racing. It’s black and white and the coach new that. He cost them the race

Absolute bullshit, if anything from the clip they show here he was trying to stop them making a mistake before they make it (correcting the steering) albeit slightly before the umpire does the exact same, which is what the umpire should be doing in the first place. Leander were certainly not disadvantaged any more than any other crew of the regatta, should have at the very very least been a re-row. Absolute disgrace, hope this man never umpires at Henley again. This and the decision with Sydney were wrong.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Rules are clear. No coaching from the launch nothing absolutely zero. The coach cost them that race fact. Most regatta don’t allow coaching of crews racing simple.

The rules are clear. The coach blew it for his crew. Black and white.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Do these guys identify as LADIES?

The rule is clear: you cannot coach from the umpire's boat. The coach gestured to his crew. The umpire followed the rule.

@DavidMartin-yo6me

5 жыл бұрын

While that is true, thats not why Boris raised his flag. The signaling was seen retrospectively while studying the steering. Then that was the reason given for the disqualification.

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

@@DavidMartin-yo6me the umpire was made aware by race officials sat at the back of the boat. He verified this with the Dutch coach who conceded he was in fact coaching his crew to move. The Dutch coach cost his crew the race shocking for someone supposedly so experienced

@peterbest5938

3 жыл бұрын

First correct statement on this topic. Well done Bart, unfortunate as it is to loose a close race due to disqualification the rules are there for all crews and coaches and must be followed. Same would have been applied to the Leander crew in similar circumstances perhaps even harder!

@mitchgeraedts

2 жыл бұрын

@@peterbest5938 You must be fun at parties

@askiff1415

2 жыл бұрын

@@mitchgeraedts unlike some folks from Europe I don’t need to cheat

There is too much crying here from one site . There are rules and umpires in every race. If an umpire took a decision, as a real sportsman you life with it and race on.