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@poppabear9279

2 жыл бұрын

New sub. Great channel! Loved this video!

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

@@poppabear9279 welcome to the channel and thank you for subscribing! 🍻

@poppabear9279

2 жыл бұрын

@@BaronPilot was working on my pilots cert and was close, prior to relocating (fleeing) California. Going to get back into it soon. Major life relocation. I enjoy your content as much, if not more than 310 Pilot. More informative flight info and navigation. More thorough details. Appreciate it.

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

@@poppabear9279 fleeing! 😂 No comment. 😉 glad to hear you’re about to get back to flying. Thank you for your kind words. 🍻

@poppabear9279

2 жыл бұрын

@@BaronPilot lmao! I fully understand your position. 😜👍🏻 much respect. You said something in one of your videos, about not going to a certain place and instantly I knew. I’m a CEO of two corporations and I have to tame myself in public. Hence this KZread account. Be well my friend!

Working in ICU this is literally an every day occurrence… that those who most need the O2 masks are the least likely to keep it on.

@RT710.

2 жыл бұрын

Lol too tru

@JTBCOOL1

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand this. I run lower naturally but I wear a cpap no problem. So I am confused by this statement?

@bella1207ful

2 жыл бұрын

@@JTBCOOL1 if you are chronically hypoxic you’re unlikely to have symptoms of Acute hypoxia unless you’re below your baseline. Anxiety is a symptom of acute hypoxia and is very difficult/impossible to overcome. It’s a survival mechanism.

@loganthesaint

2 жыл бұрын

@@JTBCOOL1 I have hyperventilation syndrome, it’s about the same in the sense of panic type deal. In my case the best thing for me is to take deep breath and hold it for a minute or more. And be aware everything I’m feeling isn’t real. Anxiety is a bitch

@nickmartin3647

2 жыл бұрын

Way worse on a plane

Kim needs a chamber ride to learn her signs of hypoxia. Partial pressure of O2 at that altitude is way different. She should put O2 on if you go above 9,000 ft in the future. She had demonstrated more than once she is sensitive to higher altitudes. You may think about getting a rescue bottle for a quick burst of pure O2 then fiddle with the nasal cannula. Just some thoughts from an old aerovac nurse.

@alexmikhael5061

2 жыл бұрын

that's what I was thinkin about the ''mask with a boost'' so she can breath 3 times with that, and clear her mind when it happens again... or to ''clear the yawns away'' ?? :) eh... clear the mind of altititude ikkies

@erikdravn

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. If you pay attention to the video, you can see the signs well before they noticed themselves.

@austinfarley4971

2 жыл бұрын

I'd even just point someone to the Smarter Every Day Video of it. The first time I watched it I got chills watching Destin say "I don't want to die" with a smile on his face while he was in a chamber.

@lomita1

2 жыл бұрын

Get pressurized.....

@boldasthelion6496

2 жыл бұрын

A chamber ride is a great idea, but the training that goes with it is equally important. There are various symptoms and they do not always remain the same for a given person. In all the chamber trips I took in the military dizziness and euphoria were always my symptoms. Yet when I had real hypoxia in a fighter at altitude my symptom was an instant and overwhelming urge to throw up. If something does not feel right, do not press a bad situation, get on oxygen, descend, get out of the situation before it gets the best of you or your passenger.

I have to admit that was a difficult watch for a while, but much respect to Kim for allowing the video out unedited, and to you for keeping her re-assured and being cool. Shows how insidious hypoxia can be.

@ZuluBlackout

2 жыл бұрын

There is a video some guy did, can’t remember the channel, but it was extremely educational on hypoxia. He showed at high altitudes, in a altitude chamber, how serious hypoxia is and how quickly it can’t take you out of the fight. How “drunk” you get without O2 is definitely insidious

@jamesayoub357

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZuluBlackout you're probably thinking about Destin from Smarter Everyday. He did a really good video on hypoxia. Worth rewatching when you have time

@ZuluBlackout

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesayoub357 yup, that’s it! It was Dustin.

@almarma

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesayoub357 I was about to recommend the same video. Yes, that video was amazing, I had no idea how badly the lack of oxigen can affect to decision making, and you can see on this video how Kim struggles to put the oxigen hose. If that decision problems happens to the pilot, the situation can get dangerous really fast

@Caddyleadz

2 жыл бұрын

7:38 lies!

Maybe the most important video that you've posted. Some theorize that hypoxia was a contributing--or even the main--factor in the Socata TBM-700 accident last October near Buffalo, NY. It's critical to address this issue right away, as you did. Special thanks to Kim for allowing this to be posted. You probably will have saved lives with this video.

@sailormike1089

2 жыл бұрын

I live here in Buffalo and the pilot was a well known lawyer which his brother has taken over the business. Thats what i heard too but no updates as of yet. The company I work for was there salvaging what was left of the plane in a swamp area surrounded by trees. Took a week to recover as much as possible as it was a slow process.

@MichaelLloyd

2 жыл бұрын

And maybe the Bonanza that just crashed (after being intercepted by a fighter. Very strange accident)

@cassiespencer6134

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. As I recall the PIC requested an ILS approach and when instructed to descend to a lower ALT and to expect a given ILS approach the acft ended up in a rapid descent and subsequently no comms were established. Hypoxia can sneak up on you.

@teenagerinsac

2 жыл бұрын

And that was all over news- the former partner of the law firm cellino and barnes 8888888888

@donjones1203

2 жыл бұрын

Great points my everyone; what a great "live" example of what happens when O2 is down. Thanks for showing!

I was ICU RN for 25 years. One thing that helps instantaneously is what health care people refer to as pursed lip breathing. It's the same as trying to blow a candle out at 5 feet. In through the nose and blow out SLOWLY through tight lips thus Increasing pressure in the lungs promoteing gas exchange. Works instantly... as long as there is oxygen available. First is to put the oxygen on of course. I noticed she had her mouth open. Useless for gas exchange and adds to the feelings of anxiety/claustrophobia/panic/hyperventilation.... ---> Not good. I've witness how fast things can get really REALLY bad very fast. They can become like a drowning man.... full panic. Never good but in a plane... could be disastrous. Put some O2 on her sooner. Say 10K. Good investment in safety. Enjoy your videos!! Edited... Another safety thing I do is to always have a couple candy bars for any low blood sugar issues. Even if they're not diabetics. Those can turn bad quickly to. In both situations of low oxygen levels or low blood sugar, people can become combative. Easy to have a candy bar handy.

@Mike_Costello

2 жыл бұрын

My dad had COPD and did this exact thing pretty much all the time.

@billhillenbrand1958

2 жыл бұрын

That's right...cliff bars or protein bars and some candy for a quick boost initially

@thisismagacountry1318

2 жыл бұрын

Have a Snickers. You're not you when you're hungry.

@aboversite

2 жыл бұрын

Agree.. Pursing your lips helps runners too. Keeps you from getting a stitch in your diaphram by improving gas exchange.

@billhillenbrand1958

2 жыл бұрын

@@SusanKay- that's just short term...protein to stabilize sugar level after sugar boost or it will just spike and bottom out again...

Man. She’s pretty good on the radios. Crisp calls. First time watching.

@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890

2 жыл бұрын

chrispey

@Globbs

2 жыл бұрын

@@apersunthathasaridiculousl1890 hi

@chrisperrywv

2 жыл бұрын

@@Quorented I’m… I don’t even know what that means. 🤣

@chrisperrywv

2 жыл бұрын

@@Quorented she doesn’t appear to be a trained aviator. For a lot of us, radios are one of the hardest parts. It certainly was for me. Don’t make it about something it’s not. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@oisiaa

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, I know you!

A very dear friend of mine passed away very recently from pulmonary related illness. He was on oxygen for the past year plus, and just couldn't get anything into his lungs anymore. He woke up one morning to go pee, then went back to sleep, and that was it after around 54 years. I've been watching your channel off & on for a few years, and enjoy it. BION, your channel (in addition to others) really picks things up for me about now. I'm going through the same breathing problems right about now, and I don't even smoke, but I'm quite overweight and need to lose at least 60 pounds. Sucks when good people go away too soon.

One of the most educational vlogs ever; thank you! (And special thanks to Kim, who probably felt embarrassed at being loopy, even though it's just nature. She allowed herself to be seen this way so that others would NOT be embarrassed, and so we could all learn about this effect. Hearing about it in flight school is one thing, but watching it happen to real people on a real flight is quite another! THANKS KIM!) I remember one time flying with another pilot about 25 years ago...I think coming back from OSH to Boston. It was the middle of the night, we were only at like 7,000 in a PA-28....we suddenly noticed that we were really giddy! We didn't have O2. "I feel GREAT!" "Yeah, me too!" "Maybe we should descend!" Which we did, laughing all the way down a couple thousand feet...we quickly recovered from the mild hypoxia and felt noticeably more normal.

@richiemiller_yt

2 жыл бұрын

hey I dont know much about planes, but does the pa-28 (and similar planes) have any o2-system or anything to keep o2 at a normal level within the cabin? (like the bigger planes boeing etc.) Or basically you have a plane which is capable to go way higher than your brain can handle it? Thank you :)

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words. This was a learning g experience for everyone and if it helps one person then her struggle will be worth it.

@kiltedscorpio

2 жыл бұрын

@@BaronPilot Yes, THANKS KIM!!!

@brennenfitzgerald

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed! Kim, very proud you allowed yourself to be shown like this so that others learn. This wasn’t a show of weakness, but rather a reflection of strength of character. This may save lives. Kim, thank you!

@stonehorn4641

2 жыл бұрын

@@richiemiller_yt we carry supplemental oxygen systems, but no, it isn't pressurized like a jet (there is a pressurized version on the Baron 58 model though.

She started yawning at 5:04, clear indication she was getting hypoxic. Glad everything turned out well, well done on reacting to the situation appropriately!

@SteveThompson1

2 жыл бұрын

They weren't that high at 5:04

@sbfhawk4343

2 жыл бұрын

That was a tired yawn not O2 issue at that height. Usually Starts at 10000 above for women or more sensitive people. The thing is not to panic but she had two things going on first lack of O2 then couple with Claustrobia that can exasperate the problem.

@Toepferle

2 жыл бұрын

@draqon ofwhitestars Jeez, that has nothing to do with feminism or being manhandled. People deprived of oxygen paired with anxiety don't behave rational. It's completely unrelated to gender...

@Toepferle

2 жыл бұрын

@draqon ofwhitestars You didn't get my comment... I was NOT referring to the height and, therefore, NOT referring to women being more likely to suffer from oxygen deprivation. I was talking about your comment claiming her reaction to be about feminism or being manhandled. And neither of these claims are true. Anxiety is not bound to one gender and anxiety makes you behave irrationally. A man, who is affected by this, is likely to show the same panic reactions...

@lost4468yt

6 ай бұрын

​@@draqonofwhitestars8315lol the person you're replying to never even mentioned gender.

Very impressed with how cool Chris was while flying and simultaneously dealing with a lady in a muddle. Love the vids and looking forward to the next one.

@arliesam948

2 жыл бұрын

I was worried about her she looked like she was in pain am gl ad she's ok now

@wysmn

2 жыл бұрын

She acted like a whiny brat

@randallsemrau7845

2 жыл бұрын

Why wasn't the operation of this O2 hardware worked out beforehand? The chaos would be unavoidable if there had been a malfunction, but not this! Imagine if another critical issue had come up in the middle of this mess.

@nigelappleton2963

2 жыл бұрын

@@randallsemrau7845 Have to agree, Kim stated that she was sensitive to altitude so prudence would suggest that the oxygen should be set and ready to grab not still in bits!

@seancase1106

2 жыл бұрын

There are 2 different Nigels one right after the other with the exact same pfp!

After a life long desire to be a pilot I finally did it this year and just Monday completed my Instrument rating. Your channel has been one of my favorite, thanks for the great content! Comms, approach charts, routes, hypoxia, and fun.

@jimbo160aaa

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations, Welcome to the club.Stay sharp, practise often. Jim CFI

Good learning on this one. 37.5 years in critical care respiratory medicine have taught me that the way pulse oximeters measure saturation, nail polish, especially red or green shades, can affect the accuracy and reliability of any pulse oxidizer. Can be significant depending on the polish. The error margins on an oximeter decrease the lower the readings.

@avfan967

2 жыл бұрын

Correct. You could also include cold hands or cold fingers, sweaty hands, dirty lenses on the pulse oximeter, and with cheap knock offs from Amazon, each one of these Chinese manufacturers has their own algorithm for calculating the reflective value

@billfarnham1592

2 жыл бұрын

@@avfan967 Cold hands and fingers are gonna be the biggest culprit. The principle on which a PULSE oximeter works requires then to see a pulsatile capillary flow. With cold digits, that is very diminished due to vasoconstriction. A big issue. The color on nails really screws up the two very specific wavelengths of light used in the pulse ox. One color is a specific visible red. The other is an invisible infrared. Both need to be undistorted by passing through related colors of nails. Pulse ix technology is now very standardized and much decreased in price from not too distant years. Not long ago what we can get for $50 would have cost $200. Amazon sells some very good ones. Any more, with the technology so well known and standardized, I wouldn't say there are many knockoffs or copies. They all have to be the same. Differences in assembly techniques or component quality could have an effect, but generally they have to do the same job the same way. We just need to recognize there are limitations. Poor circulation, cold digits, and nail polish are the three significant factors in pulse ox inaccuracy. Also, the lower one is reading, the more inaccurate you can count on that reading being. But all in all, they should be in any plane that exceed 10K. And, as evidenced in this video, some people are more sensitive to changes in SpO2 than others. Also of importance is the fact that if your are breathing air that includes a CO (carbon monoxide) leak, the oximeter will read at or near 100%. Because CO has a 400 time greater affinity to bind with hemoglobin than oxygen does. So the blood can be 100% saturated - with CO - and you're still in deep kimchee.

@avfan967

2 жыл бұрын

@@billfarnham1592 Bill, excellent recap and thank you for taking the time to share your insights. My comments were brought to my attention when there was disparage differences between different pulse oximeters carried in the aircraft. It was not uncommon to see a 10% difference, yet both were fairly new out-of-the-box and had fresh batteries. Upon our inquiry this was the explanation (other thread) we received with regard to some of the “made in China” versions that have infiltrated their way to the US market. None of them are calibrated, of course, but for general screening purposes they can get you in the ballpark. However when we started to see great differences it became concerning. Noteworthy, we now purchase brands that have a seemingly close ties to the medical community although they are not clinically certified. Hope that makes sense.

@billfarnham1592

2 жыл бұрын

@@avfan967 It absolutely makes sense. And QC in manufacturing can make a significant difference. I totally agree with sticking with the ones from medical companies used in the US. As a matter of fact my Samsung phone has a pulse oximeter in it that also even shows the pulsatile waveform for those who may know what it means. And while I was in the hospital in June I compared it several times to the one in the monitor and the portable ones they used for spot checks on the floors. This is the serving phone I've had with a pulse ox. Both were right on the money. Never saw more than a 1% difference in readings. I didn't intend for a minute to disparage your comments. My apologies if it came across that way.

@catsclouds

2 жыл бұрын

​@@avfan967 if you want to make sure you buy a quality meter buy a Contec CMS50D or Berry BM1000D they are very accurate and as fast and anything you will come in contact with at a hospital setting. Contec in China is one of the oldest and largest manufacturer of fingertip pulse oximeters and supplies all over the world but because of that their model CMS50D is also one of the most common knock off to be found....now you can't even blame china for this as you will find companies all over the U.S. buying these knock offs in bulk, branding them as their own and selling them. The Berry is another high quality fast model with bluetooth data logging as well. The good thing about Berry is they are a smaller company and haven't had their models copied yet. I may make a video about all of this but the most important tip is check your meter is ok in the sunlight, many knockoffs will fail to hold a reading as sunlight interferes with the beam of light though the finger and that is the last thing you need in a plane.

Hang in there Kim. Nothing to be ashamed of. You and Chris are a great team and having each other for your needs is wonderful! Keep up the good videos, O2 & all! 😆

Kim, my many thanks for allowing this to be posted in full. My wife, daughter, and maybe even my elderly mom may be flying with me one day. You helped save them or even me personally from suffering by showing how this plays out and what it looks like.

Years ago I used to have a Turbo Saratoga and to get above the bumps and most traffic I would cruise at 10 or 11 thousand feet. After a 3 to 4 hour flight I would have a slight headache that I attributed to the noise. However, research showed that it was most likely caused by mild hypoxia. So since the aircraft had built in Oxygen, I started to use small amounts of O2 in cruise and lo and behold, no more headaches. And it only gets worse with age so it’s far better to use O2 when you don’t “need” it than to try and be macho and do without it.

@mikasten

2 жыл бұрын

I do the same in my club's Saratoga TC. Nice to have the O2.

@thisismagacountry1318

2 жыл бұрын

I'm an aviation noob so I have to ask if built in oxygen is better than the alternative? Is one significantly more convenient or cost prohibitive?

@krotchlickmeugh627

2 жыл бұрын

@@thisismagacountry1318 lol yes built in is much more expensive. Better depends on the aircraft and the pilots common flight altitude. In a cub. Youre not going to really have built in oxygen. As it would leak out everywhere and never be pressurized. .

@thisismagacountry1318

2 жыл бұрын

@@krotchlickmeugh627 Thanks, I'm hoping to afford a Pipistrel Virus SW someday and then trade up to a Sling High Wing with a turbine engine.

@huberthill9327

2 жыл бұрын

@@krotchlickmeugh627 How about a battery or plug in o2 generator to create o2.?

Awesome job putting this video out, I believe this is something that truly needs more attention/training in the GA community. My brother experienced this in an F-14A, he was cross country in cruise at around Angels-30, and started to feel really happy and euphoric, admiring the sunshine and blue sky with a big smile on his face…suddenly his training from the chamber clicked on and he realized something wasn’t right, reached down and activated his bail out bottle to bypass the aircraft’s O2, declared an emergency and took her down. Was a very humbling experience and a lesson from him that I never forgot. Great job, stay safe!

Remember, you live in Florida at zero feet above sea level. Altitude takes time to adjust to. If you lived in Denver, or the mountains out west, 12,000 is not that much higher than your “normal” and it would not affect you as much. Thank you for showing what altitude can do to someone sensitive and not used to it!

@joep1535

2 жыл бұрын

true, I live at sea level also and recently traveled to Aspen for the first time. I could barely make it up the stairs in the house we rented, lol

@michaelzaug8750

2 жыл бұрын

Shouldn’t they have Sorted out the oxygen during the climb? To me it was very foolish to be messing around with it during the “problem” instead of before a potential problem

@doughudgens9275

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelzaug8750 they weren’t planning on climbing that high, but weather made it a necessity. Kris got permission from Kim, and watched for symptoms. Then took action when needed.

@compmanio36

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, slow acclimation is key, and why teams that play in Denver bring O2 to help. Teams that practice there constantly are used to, and their body adjusts to the low O2, but teams that practice at sea level won't be used to it, and won't adjust quickly enough to make a difference.

The use of O2 in general aviation is a subject which needs a lot more attention on KZread and GA in general.

Well done Kim for putting this video out there. It is a valuable lesson to everyone involved in flying that it’s not a one fit solution for everyone where O2 use is concerned. After your initial panic you handled it well so better to have the cannula sorted well in advance so you can just start using it as soon as needed. I continue to really enjoy your videos. Keep up the great work.

@KB4QAA

2 жыл бұрын

NC: One of the primary goals of military altitude chamber training was for each of us to recognize our personal warning signs so that we would rapidly get on O2.

I'm a fan but not a personal friend and this was still so hard to watch. I'm glad you shared it with us so we can see what it takes to keep everybody safe at higher altitudes. 11K was always my personal limit because my wife started having issues at 12K. It always depends on the people so there are no hard limits other than what the FAA provides in the FARs. Fly safe and stay well please!

Thanks for letting us see the oxygen situation, we dont want to see the brilliant Kim in distress of course but you guys were calm, worked the problem & now we love you guys even more!

Excellent episode guys. Thank you for your honesty Kim. I really like how you support each other. Can’t wait for the next instalment!

Real important to know what your individual reaction/symptoms are to hypoxia. For me it's nausea and headache. I start to get it around 12K or so. As soon as I come down to 7-8K I feel just fine. Great video! She's a trooper

I just stumbled upon your channel. I literally spent my childhood in the back of a Cessna. My dad flew commercially, as well as his own plane. Your video brought back a lot of memories. I can Literally smell the inside of the cabin. That plane took us on many adventures. My one regret in life is I never got my own license.

@BaronPilot

Жыл бұрын

Welcome to the channel. Happy to bring back good memories. Now it’s not too late to go get that pilot’s license! Live your dreams!

@TroyRubert

Жыл бұрын

It’s never too late!

Oh, my goodness! You can do things “better” in the future, but I think this is worth a million. Everyone responds differently, but you can easily see how a hypoxia comes quickly!! Really hope lots get to see this video😀

I’ve been flying for over 40 years. Mostly in a travel air, and an assortment of Barons. I own a B55 at this time. My levels are between 10-13,000 feet and I have never seen anyone experience this type of reaction. Not even close. You taught me something today. Very good video. I am based in South Africa. Next time you are in this neck of the woods give me a call.

@carlomartin2886

2 жыл бұрын

Any flight schools you'd recommend in Johannesburg/ Pretoria area for private pilot license?

@BillyBob-im7og

2 жыл бұрын

Is that invite open to just him or anyone?

@SnoopDougieDoug

Жыл бұрын

I was an MC-30P guy for years...recently retired. I was in charge of pressurization and we routinely did 10,000 foot drops to not mask up. I learned pretty fast who in the squadron was an oxygen addict with a constant habit to feed. Nothing in the book says you can't re-check your quick-don emergency mask or if on helmet, that you can't suck rubber. It just says that you MUST above 10k feet. The altitude chamber rides are some of the most educating blocks of recurrent instruction we had t do, and I know the Stratlift Cargo Pukes (term if endearment) don't even have to do the chamber now after initial training. There is an oxygen saturation restriction simulator test box to plug into that does the trick without the chamber full of broccoli farts. I hate restrictions and rules like any decent Libertarian, but I almost think a certification course including one of these sims and an endorsement should bein the regs before acting as PIC in the rubber altitude range. I really like the 12 people doing it together see others having different symptoms entirely, as you may be the only one to recognize i and take corrective action before they out a memorial plaque up on the wall.

Great to see these two work through a challenging situation with clarity and compassion.

Thank you so much for publicising this issue. Although it was upsetting to watch Kim's distress, and brave of her to allow it to be shown, it is a timely reminder of the danger posed by Oxygen starvation. As was obvious in the video, it can strike both suddenly and incrementally and will result in disorientation and incapacitation if ignored. Kim's confusion over the connectors, and her growing panic, demonstrated how easily a lone pilot can begin to make potentially fatal errors under such conditions. Even here with two people, Kris was distracted by having to assist and although he did not require Oxygen himself, it is not hard to imagine a scenario where both crew succumb. It would be beneficial for all pilots and regular crew members to view this and practice donning their masks before reaching FL altitudes. As both Kris and Kim suggested here, it would be a useful safety practice to have everything hooked up prior to departure in future, just in case. Although now four decades ago, this video brought back memories of a check captain I once flew with when I worked for a British airline, whose private aircraft was shadowed by the RAF for several hours after communication had been lost. Through the misted up windows, the pilot could be seen slumped unconscious at the controls. Unhappily the military crews had to watch as the fuel ran out and the plane slowly descended into the English Channel.

She handled this moment very well considering how quickly the mind can run away with an irrational phobia. It was hard for me to watch and actually made me feel kind of panicky. Kudos to her!!!

Thank you so much for posting this video, especially thanks to Kim, I know this probably wasn't her favorite video to post, but showing people what happens when they are low on Oxygen is very important. Excellent video as always, you guys are a great asset to the aviation community.

@bigrig8539

2 жыл бұрын

If your a pilot the last name Landman is ironic huh

Great video. Thanks for the great panel shots that allowed us to follow the approach easily. Even saw the radar altimeter come to life. Kim, your reaction was perfectly normal. There's a bunch of guys that didn't make it that didn't have the good coaching that you did. Its really important for pilots to keep their O2 system in shape and use it now and then for drill before you need it.

Don’t feel stupid! This is a super important video for any non-pressurized pilot and passenger! You guys did a great job and kudos to you keeping calm cool and collected you are a very confident pilot and I honestly follow your channel to become as confident as you are! Not just confident but competent!

Kim, No worries on the altitude issue. Your learning how it affects you and you will adjust. Your radio calls have improved by an order of magnitude. You even caught yourself using the word “for”. Way to go!!!

Great video for people to watch. Very brave of Kim to post this so people can see the difference between normal and low oxygen levels.

this is why i never cruise above 10-11k. Glad you had O2 onboard. At work, I pop oxygen on long transcons. Usually every hour or two. Really helps when you're at an 8k cabin altitude and starting real early in the morning.

Thanks for showing some real reactions to hypoxia. The scary part is thinking about what someone would do if they are solo and gets hypoxic and starts reacting that way. I wouldn't have thought to have O2 prepared if I wasn't going above 12.5 in the daytime but it shows the importance of having the O2 ready beforehand.

She looks like I did the first time I put on the cannula. I used to live at 12.5 in my 310 without O2 but that was 30 years ago. I just installed a Mountain High O2 system in the Velocity and I'm flowing the O2 above 8K. As we get older our O2 levels drop naturally. I went into the altitude chamber at Langley 40 years ago and could go to 15K without problems...not so much now.

@debbiemeyer7666

2 жыл бұрын

Our youngest son is a tech sgt currently stationed at Langley. Thank you for your service!

I really love how you handled yourself sir, I hope that I can be as good as you sir, Kim thank you for this, you helped so many people. Thank you Kim.

I’ve been out of aviation for 25 yrs and I love flying on line. Thank you for allowing me to follow.

Well done for firmly insisting that your wife get the O2 on properly. She felt stupid that she's sensitive to needing it, but doesn't need to be concerned. Thanks for the advice on managing oxygen.

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

@abbynormal4740

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you both for posting this as is! I'm not a pilot, but do have severe asthma that often flares up with little or no warning and can quickly spiral out of control. I've gotten better at recognizing when the rescue inhaler isn't enough and it's time to nebulize or call 911. But even after all the ER trips, hospital stays and a few near-fatal attacks... In the midst of an asthma attack my brain gets muddled and I think I'm handling it fine, even as I'm struggling to load the nebulizer, I'm gasping for air, and I'm hypoxic with tunnel vision while hubby is yelling at me to keep breathing. It's amazing how rapidly your situational awareness tanks and how soon you can end up in dire trouble while thinking you're just dandy. Worse yet, half the time, I won't even know what exactly triggered the attack because there was no sign of trigger(s) present until it was too late to avoid them. Watching this reinforces the idea of doing what Hubby Normal says when he sees my asthma escalating, even if I "think" I'm fine. As a retired nurse, Hubby especially knows signs of hypoxia and respiratory distress that I don't recognize as soon or in my asthma brain fog. 😱😷 Finally learning to simply obey nurse's orders without argument has saved my hash many times since, but seeing the effects of hypoxia irl, like Hubby sees them is an absolutely visceral for WOW moment that hits home!

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

@@abbynormal4740 thanks for sharing your story. If this video helps one person then it was all worth it.

Men tend to have bigger lungs. Bigger lungs means more O2 intake, with a heart capable of pumping said O2. Ladies there's a reason why our breathing and heart rate is slower. Kudos to her though. She handled it very well.

There are so many valuable lessons here about cockpit management, preflight planning, not rushing (if you are in a hurry, you are in danger), that this may be the most meaningful video you have ever posted. You are both to be commended for your honest presentation of this flight!

This is a great lesson. For all the training you read about hypoxia it’s quite amazing to see how it affected Kim in real time. Thanks for posting

Excellent how calm you stayed Chris dealing with Kim!

@davidbarrr5087

2 жыл бұрын

relationships are like that....one has to stay calm.

HUGE tip for you both I am a paramedic and please take my advice. Be sure she has no colored nail polish on her fingers for your O2 sensor probe. The reading will be lower with nail polish on her fingers. A tip would be to have finger nail polish remover pads in your O2 bag should she forget. Safe acceptable levels are 92% and above but the fatigue will be reduced if you maintain yourself in mid-90's as you stated. Her readings were as low as 79% so she was actually probably lower than that with her blue nail polish.

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

I am aware of the nail polish. That’s why at first I wasn’t as concerned about her numbers being low until I started seeing the other signs.

A vulnerable moment for the two of you, Miss Kim especially, thank you for shairing.

Great flight and even greater takeaway. Thanks for sharing this with us all and I'll see you in the next one guys.

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks ☺️

Kim, don’t feel bad about using O2, I’ve experienced the same kind of effects at 13000 ft on an aerial tour of Mt Denali in Alaska. We were only at 13k for about 5-6 min before descending back to about 8k, but I was definitely feeling light headed & short of breath. That was an eye opener for me. Anytime I fly my little Cherokee above 8000 I take one of those hand-held aviators breathing oxygen bottles with me.

Best video uploaded yet. I wonder if Kim realizes how serious that could have been if she was single pilot in command of an airplane?

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. We have had a few conversations about it. 😉

@edwardmurray6853

2 жыл бұрын

@@BaronPilot I was also curious if you had checked Kim’s oxygen saturation when she was feeling claustrophobic and disoriented? When I do cross country’s in my BE55 Baron I’m usually between 15,000 and 17,000 feet. It just usually makes sense for many reasons in my plane. When I’m climbing out of 10,000 feet MSL I’m getting ready to put my oxygen on at that time. I find when I do get to my destination I’m a lot more alert and a lot less tired than I used to be when I would cruise at 10,000 feet in my old Baron with IO-470’s across the country.

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

Don’t know how much you could tell in the video but we continued to monitor her O2 the remainder of the flight and trip.

Way to go Kim, scary for you but you handled it well and got there. Love these videos, really great to watch! Stay safe both!

I'm a nurse and if my Sa02 was in the 70's I would have been freaking out! You did a great job of staying calm for both of you.

I am so glad Kim was a good sport about it. It would have been so easy to feel embarrassed and not publish. This happened to me flying at 13k over Albuquerque last week. My first trip over the mountains and could definitely feel the lack of O2. Had to think hard to remember when altitude increasing if I needed to push or pull to level out. LOL. (Don't roast me. I was with a much more capable and experience pilot and we were only at 13k about 20 minutes but had spent a lot of time at 11k before popping over the peak.) I learned so much from the experience and from your video. Pulse OX is a great tool. Thanks again.

That fisheye camera view was cool! Makes it look like you are flying on the edge of space and can see the curvature of the Earth with a duel prop powered aircraft.

This is a really good video not only because Kim handled in the best way the lack of oxygen and her calmed response to her fear, but Chris ability to keep her calm and assured while putting the oxygen on her to breathe normally, while flying. PIC needs to know how to keep all passengers cool and calmed in a stressful situations like this, while keeping control of his airplane. Such an educational video you posted. Thank very much Chris and Kim, keep up the good work!!!

Kim, Thanks for sharing this unedited video. Your experience Made all women that fly become aware how hypoxia affect women at the same altitude as men in different ways. Women being more sensitive to hypoxia at 10000. feet. your video has now brought these facts to light. GOOD JOB KIM !!!!! and thank you. I enjoy you videos.

09:30 If I knew this before! From now on, I will give oxygen to my wife when she starts fighting me. We are at sea level, at home, but I will give it a try. 😂

@gfunkin2

2 жыл бұрын

hahaha

Truly enlightening to see the difference in Kims performance from normal which is always efficient and professional to visably struggling to do basic tasks as the O2 dropped. Thanks for sharing. Seeing is believing for sure. All the best :)

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

I admired the extreme calm with which you approached the issue, which certainly helped her too

I love the way you both pay attention to detail. you both complement each other. You always need a really good copilot. and from what i see she is one. Great adventure and flying

Wow. I’ve never experienced a lack of O2, and this makes me curious how I would react. I found your channel last week, and now I’m binge watching all of your videos, and I’m impressed! I wish I could make videos this awesome!

@MattyEngland

2 жыл бұрын

I got down to 70%, it wasn't until I tried to remember my address and couldn't, that I realised anything was wrong.

@juanm7425

2 жыл бұрын

They say a home experiment is to hold your breath and start writing your name on a paper until you cant, and you will see the effects

Great video for all to see what happens when O2 levels get low. Thanks Kim... great lesson for all of us! Four!!!

great job by both. glad you both are okay thank you for posting as always

Tuff to watch in the beginning, Kim really struggled. But the end with approach was great, love all the insets. Made you feel like you where there...

Kim, Do not let this stress you out WE ALL get agitated without enough O2. My hands always start to tingle above 10,000, NOT a problem, just use O2 whenever you need it.

Great video as usual. We stopped at KSCD when flying to the Beech Party in TN from Florida. I thought those trees where a little close myself. We had met right after you registered at the museum. I really appreciate the time you took to speak with my wife and I. Hope Kim was not to upset with you to much, not getting out there to help tie down the plane quick enough. Keep up the good work!

Man I gotta say, I’ve always loved flying and always wanted to personally fly. This was an adventure just to watch! Thank you for sharing

15:00 as a medical missionary pilot here in the Philippines, our O2 sat is heavily based on our lifestyle. 10k and having low o2sat is a bad sign of poor health.

@Peter-ox7wh

2 жыл бұрын

Depends also on where you live, if you live in places at sea level is going to be more common.

@CaptainFalc0nPunch

2 жыл бұрын

Yep especially good indicator of anemia

@swish6143

2 жыл бұрын

Not at all, it's reduced at 8k already.

As someone who trained in the California Valley and struggled with altitude sickness, I can safely say it gets better with time. I would feel queasy and get light headed sometimes above 5,000 feet and now that's my ground level. After acclimating I regularly go up to 12,500 without oxygen.

@franckcagnes3058

2 жыл бұрын

lungs also have the incredible power to adapt over time

That was very very educational. Thanks Kim you just did what a lot of people needed to see .

Very good video, you could an amazing change in a relatively short time, thanks Kim and chris

You should keep some Ativan on board. Kim might develop anxiety from just knowing she is on oxygen. Having a panic attack in a small cockpit could be dangerous for both of you.

@MissCV

2 жыл бұрын

Precisely what I was thinking. As aerospace med student I could notice she was already in stages of anxiety well before hypoxia. Her anticipation quite possibly could’ve made every bit of this much worse. He should’ve taken her comm duty away as soon as she started showing distress. But as I said, aerospace med as well as a pilot in training Lorazepam is a big no no in aviation, also stated in the AOPA database. And if she were to take lorazepam for her panic attack mid air, def take her comm duty away, for everyone’s safety.

It's tough seeing Kim struggling, for sure. But gotta say... love 40+ minute videos. :)

That was interesting and educational. I've never seen it in a real life situation. Her condition scared me, especially when she seemed combative. Thank you for showing this.

Awesome video, I used to fly out of Sylacauga a lot and you guys were saying it correctly. Definitely got to watch those trees on approach to runway 9,especially at night.

I've had the experience where putting on O2 at night, my night vision improved even below 10K. It was like somebody turned the lights up outside.

@kiltedscorpio

2 жыл бұрын

I used to entertain myself on long boring night flights in a Grumman US-2B out of NAS Fallon to NAS Whidbey about 14,000 feet and above by slipping off my oxygen mask momentarily and watch the cockpit lights seemingly go dim, and then putting the 02 mask back on and it was like I'd turned back up the cockpit lighting rheostats!

@wadahabbasher

2 жыл бұрын

@@kiltedscorpio thats crazy

@955none

2 жыл бұрын

Deteriorating night vision is one of the very first sign of hypoxias. We’re taught during the atpl ( in Europe) Theoretical that night vision can deteriorate as low as 5000ft .

OMG Kris thank you so much for congratulating me on your channel. You made my day !!!

@SmittySmithsonite

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations, Angel!! 🙌

@angelmolina4484

2 жыл бұрын

@@SmittySmithsonite thank you 🙏🏻

@DennisBaker

2 жыл бұрын

Congratulations Angel

@angelmolina4484

2 жыл бұрын

@@DennisBaker thank you

I did some math and you're total pressure of 0.64 bar with a partial pressure of O2 was 0.13 bar = 13.3% Oxygen, with a blood O2 saturation of 79% that's very low. As a coming technical diver where I will be diving with hypoxic trimix gas blends on deeper depths, this is a very important and educational video to see signs of hypoxia. Thank you for sharing this is SO important!

Glad Kim let that part stay in the vid. A great teaching moment for everyone. I've got asthma pretty bad. It's been under control for a couple decades now, but it wasn't always that way. Doctors had me on the wrong medication for what was supposed to be the best years of my life - teens all the way through my 20's. I get EXTREMELY irritable when my o2 levels drop, so I fully understand what Kim was going through there. It can sneak up on you, and you won't even realize it until relief comes in the form of higher o2 levels. I've had some very bad, close to life-threatening attacks that put me in the 60% range or even lower - was barely conscious until o2 worked its magic. I couldn't even get enough air in to tell the EMTs my first name ... and it's just 3 letters! After 3 nebulizer treatments I could finally wheeze my name out in the low 90% range. The difference here is panic - when your lungs close tight and there's nothing you can do, panic sets in and makes everything worse. You'll fall unconscious faster. No fun, I can tell ya that!! Great stuff as always! Glad we're finally going to see what you do every day, Kris! In other news my half-cast comes off Monday. I learned a valuable aviation lesson on the paramotor about being in a hurry to launch. I was impatient and tried to send it with an unstable, oscillating wing! Right wheel of trike caught ground, and flipped me over FAST. Got a spiral fractured right (of course!!) 4th metacarpal. It's got hardware in it forever now. Destroyed my prop, but thankfully no other costly damage. Will be glad to be out of hand jail Monday. Typing like this sucks! :)

Kim is getting real good on the radio. can't wait to see her in command of the aircraft

well done for sharing this. not to be condescending, but from some experience: first hold the o2 to your nose until your thoughts sharpen, and then bother with fitting it to your head.

Wow, you're so calm to handle the situation, good job!

being an anxious person makes me understand 100% of her behavior while trying to put the oxygen "thing" on. kudos to both of them for dealing so well!

When Kim looks back on this video, she will learn from it. This is a not too common happening with pilots even very experienced ones. Hypoxia can sneak up on all pilots even at lower altitudes if the pilot has some undetected health issue. Can be scary and sometimes fatal.

Wow I never thought Hipoxya could be so lethal, I mean, it stars in a way which seems controlable but in just a moment you start doing things that will be potentially lethal if you are alone. Thanks to Kim for showing this,there's nothing to be embarrassed for, this video may save lives.

@danieldevito6380

2 жыл бұрын

Really? You didn't know that a lack of Oxygen to the brain could be dangerous?!?

@NickzAndMikz

2 жыл бұрын

@@danieldevito6380 haha haha my thought exactly when I read that comment

Great job guys. It is scary, but great job recognizing the symptoms and taking the right actions. About 1 year ago departing Ashville at night, I felt a little headache at 090. SpO2 was 85, came down to 070 and o2 went up to 91, at 050 it was mid 90s. No wonder FAA recommends using supplemental o2 over 050 at night

What an awesome video. So sorry for the experience, but great learning for everyone else!

Interesting to me to see such a strong effect. My friends and I rode motorcycles up to 13,000 ft in Nepal, I was 65 at the time. I sure noticed it was hard work when I had to run the motorcycle up a slope that was too steep to ride but I didn't notice any other effects except for breathlessness. I assume that the relatively slow ascent is what saves your bacon compared with just leaping into an aeroplane and going almost instantly to that altitude. The insane thing is how the Tibetan locals are completely unaffected. They can run as hard at that altitude as I can at sea level, actually certainly harder.

Kim, you're a gutsy lady. Many props to you for letting people see you go through this. You might very well have saved a life that you will never know about. Kris, take good care of FlyingSIC - she's definitely a keeper!!!!

Kim .. you are a champ you even stayed on comms while addressing O2 issue. Nice to see how pro-efficient you have become at comms and navigation. Keep it up!

So calm with the reassurance and instructions! I stumbled on this video and have so much respect for BOTH of you!

@BaronPilot

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you did. Welcome to the channel.

Thanks for sharing this vid. My Wife and kids (12 and 8) gets altitude sickness above 8k. Interesting note of affects of O2, one time during a 3 hr night flight from Norcal to Socal, I wondered just how my vision is impaired at 9.5k, so after about an hour of flight, I took out the Boost O2 bottle and took a shot of O2, it was amazing how all the lights suddenly became brighter and colors were more vivid. Chris, what does an O2 system like the one you have cost?

“Women tend to be more sensitive “😂😂😂 Never picked up on that😉 No just kidding. Very scary seeing sweet Kim so upset, great job by both of you to work through a tough situation. God Bless.

Kim a trooper! and chris top job making sure shes cared for and not making her panic.❤️. didnt know how fast hypoxia can happen at these altitudes scary

Amazing video guys. Of the unknown amount of aircraft related videos I have watched this is one of the most important.

Here’s my thoughts as an anesthesiologist. Yes Kim seems to be more susceptible to lower O2 levels than Chris but it’s not a gender issue. I tried to find my alt of getting ‘slow’ and it’s about 12. Still I turn on O2 at 10. Put the nasal cannula on early so you can start it once you feel sluggish. It’s not a sign of weakness!!! Great video of the effects of hypoxemia at high altitudes. Thanks for posting.

@Kiowan918

2 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure why you don't think it's a sex issue? There are multuple studies showing differences in O2 uptake in women and men which makes sense as there are biological difference not lease in the size of our organs, it's a general correlation, as i'm sure you know that doesn't mean it applies to all there are outliers. Some people suffer more significantly than others at high altitude within the same sex and across sexes. There is also conditioning as a factor, if you live at high altitude you'll be much better adapted, I live at 3500ft where oxygen is about 18% all the time and have no issues other than tiring a little more easily hiking/climbing at 12,000ft where you're down to about 13%, most who live here don't but those from sea level tend to suffer more.

@stargazer7644

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kiowan918 The oxygen percentage of the air does not decrease with altitude. There is pretty close to 20.8% oxygen at any altitude you fly at. The low air pressure is what causes hypoxia. The reduced air pressure makes it increasingly difficult for the oxygen in the air to cross into the bloodstream. That's why they pressurize commercial air liners. That's all it takes. They're not squirting supplemental oxygen into the air on a commercial jet.

You should always measure oxygen levels without fingernail polish or nail extensions to get an accurate reading.

This should be a required video to watch for anyone doing medium and high altitude flying. It was incredible to watch calm, cool, collected Kim become agitated at both the equipment and (a bit) at you when she was low on oxygen. Thank you both for posting this video, as it shows show much how a lack of O2 can affect both your ability to do things and your ability to understand what is going on and take action. I love all of your videos, but this one may very well be your best ever!

Bravo Kim. Don't be ashamed 🤗. Great job Kris remaining calm and reassuring and helping Kim. Have a great day folks and safe journey

I've been flying for over 30 years now and I can say since I cannot get a medical because of the pain meds I'm on I let my son's do the flying and since then I have been claustrophobic twice. You stop flying for a while and the 1st time back in the air is in IMC I had all kinds of feels, I couldn't breath or it was feeling claustrophobic. With over 5800hrs total time of which 1100hrs is actual instrument this was embarrassing for me specially in front of my son's. I know what Ms. Kim must have been feeling at the time