One of the legends. Said with true understatement and tact.

Kurt Browning is so right. To get "points", everyone is doing the same thing or a variation of the same thing rather than just ....... skating. Speed, flow, and unique moves take a back seat to "Ooh, how many points can I get if I contort my body into this position for this spin or jam in 150 twists & turns into this footwork sequence?" It is not aesthetically pleasing to my eye anymore. Instead, it is clinical.

Maybe rethink the short program. Make it the "Artistic" program...no jumps. Or keep the short program and add and artistic program.

Loved Kurt Browning.....he's right, skating is nothing more than jumps and moving from one jump to the next.

Kurt is talking abt ice jumping is getting better and better! The real figure skating is long gone.IXU RIP!

And what's with all the ugly spin positions just for GOE and more points for difficulty. No more gorgeous laybacks, sit spins with beautiful straight backs and heads up.

@pelicanus11

Жыл бұрын

compare janet Lynn to the elephants on ice today . the soft ethereal artistic fairylike quality is gone its all about racing around at the same tempo and cramming in as much points with jumps as possible! Kurt browning is not speaking the truth

Right on Kurt!

Thank you so much Kurt you are one of the best figure skaters world wide really looked up too when i was young girl when I got into figure skating you are so right in so many ways yes you would be one of the best judges for all world wide thank soo very much we will all miss u on the Ice xoxo

the problem with the formulaic model that resulted from the new points system is that it is still a victim of subjectivity. the use of GOE added to elements is a joke because that is how judges add or detract from skaters they are biased for or against. hopefully in the future jumping will be scored by AI technology: a skater's jump will be evaluated by AI against a database of jumps considered perfect and imperfect so that a computer generated score will be given; there will be no need for judges to evaluated jumps. AI will also measure if a jump as too much pre rotation; was not fully rotated; was two footed, etc. using AI will get rid of GOE so that element scores will not be inflated. if a jump is worth 12 points and a skater does is 95% perfect then his score should be 95% of 12 points.

@jamesyu5212

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So you've been huffing a lot of Hanyu's fart lately?

@Brighe-2007

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@@jamesyu5212 you look like a bot

@jamesyu5212

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Let me clarify why AI technology will never push through or will never be successful as these idiots claim... Inorder for AI to be a proper judge, it has to be trained properly. It's called machine learning after all. There are two ways to train AI - train with historical data or train with simulated data. If you train AI with historical data, you will ask AI to look at past competitions and videos in order for it to judge what jump is perfect and imperfect. This is a horrible way to do it- because for example, the AI will see Adelina Sotinikova's "flutz" to be an example of a well done lutz, or will Medvedevas spins that travel to the left as an example of perfect GOE spins...not ideal. Those are the women that won Olympics and world's after all. Then you are left with using simulated data instead... Judges pick and choose which jumps are considered "ideal" with proper goe marking for each. The problem is... Who picks the jumps? Aren't "biased and subjective" judges still the ones picking and choosing the ideal jumps? So russian judges would still prefer Mikhail Kolyadas jumps over American skaters as their ideal jump technique. That comes with different arm position, air position, height to distance ratio, etc.. etc. No one will ever have a consensus as to what constitutes a perfect jump. Everyone jumps differently. Even a person's body type dictates what technique he has. So a person like Hanyu for example has different jump technique as Javier Fernandez even if they are coached by the same person. Yet both of them deserve high GOEs even with differing technique. There is no such thing as a perfect jump technique. There are multiple "right" techniques as there are wrong ones. This is why I personally believe Hanyu's thesis and people buying this drivel are all self serving. What does "95%" perfect jump even mean? Does it mean 85 degree tilt in the air? Does it mean less right air position? How loose should the legs be? How many degrees of prerotation is allowed? It's very easy to claim " oh AI should do this" but it's very hard to do. AI has been used for reconstructive imaging in GPUs lately and you can clearly see their innacuracies. It is not perfect nor as "objective" as people think. So am I a mindless bot now, fanyus?

@johnpcomposer

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@@jamesyu5212 Very well put. I always thought it was unfair to give a jump more credit just for having more height when in fact the landing position was ugly or low. For me a smaller jump done with a beautiful landing position and in a choreographically significant moment could be more exciting and "better". Also, when jumps are incorporated into the flow of a program without big telegraphed lead-ins, jumps tend to be quieter. AI would be a disaster in so many ways...at least now when jumps are judged incorrectly we know the motive is usually national favoritism...with AI the inconsistencies would make absolutely no sense as well as being outrageous.

No I don't like where the sport is going. The system is horrible....everything is all the same. Same spin combinations. Same footwork. Jumps. You know what I really don't like is that everything has slowed down. Entry into jumps is really slow...so now that even though they are doing quads they do not feel as exciting as when triples were done at higher speeds. All slow looping footwork with no high speed straight line stuff anymore.. And the musical selections are terrible...a lot of unrhythmic unskatable pop songs...it takes the right kind of song and somebody with the dance ability and commitment of Rosalyn Sumners to bring a pop song to life. On top of that due to the music selections most jumps and judged elements are performed with no connection to musical events (because there are none or few), so even the ballerina perfect Russians are just skating cookie cutter numbers and there is very little choreographic intent...Finally, the absence of choreography to precise moments in the music has taken away the thrill and risk of timing in skating. If you add all of these things up you have a general loss of much of what made skating so distinctive and exciting. The golden age of skating where there was a balance between artistry and technique and individual style was really from about 1980 through 2002. After Salt Lake...with the arrival of the current scoring system...the sport has declined, both in quality and popularity. The favoritism is alive and well and the absolute manipulation and vagueness of the component score has made this a cheater's paradise and now the judges are anonymous...It's as if you went to the ballet and the choreography has nothing to do with the music...it was all just basically atmospherics and no substance.

@senemgencer71

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for speaking out the truth. I stopped watching figure skating after 1995 , then a KZread recommended Yuzuru Hanyu performance brought me back. I found him spectacular and decided to follow skating again... only to be dissappointed after watching quad freak programmes with telegraphed jumps, less connection with the music, boring spins and programmes with NO story. When you watch Yagudin's Winter, you feel the programme and the skater's personality. There are just a handful of skaters today who can pass you the joy of the skater him/herself is feeling while skating . The rest seem to just focus on collecting points like in a video game instead of showig their personal style on the ice.

@annyanny1873

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I hate what I call windmill arms; flapping their arms with no relation to the music.

@johnpcomposer

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@@annyanny1873 Anny. How could I have forgotten one of my greatest pet peeves...I call it migratory flapping like aimless birds flying up and down the rink with no choreographic meaning. The simplicity and beauty of Angela Nikodinov's skating is a thing of the past.

@johnpcomposer

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@@annyanny1873 The father of windmill arms is Evgeny Plushenko.

@pelicanus11

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i get ya its all about the jumps and how many they can cram in -No artistic licence or variation No creativity ITS BORING@@!!!!!D*&$*@(^$*(@*)once you see one youve seen it all!!!

I agree with Kurt that it should be more artistic.

Bring back FIGURES !

I agree more artistic not jumo jump jump boring

ice skating is dead now i hate watching the same jumping beans it sux!

too much flailing of arms nowadays.....flailing I say!

@pelicanus11

Жыл бұрын

exactly!

The cheating makes all judging systems irrelevant .

He’s good ar mime😂

Politically correct answer. Kurt Browning was such a fan favorite. Now the viewership has plummeted. It has become totally boring. The creepy muscle men and muscle women are just not enjoyable to watch. The artistry is gone.