One of the most difficult beam routines I have ever seen.

Chinese are always underscored. She is magnificent

@saragrant9749

8 ай бұрын

In this case the blame falls on that archaic ten scoring system, which capped the score and left no room for even small errors. The slight check after the full (yes, there was a slight adjustment), the adjustment after the layout step, the hop on landing… those all added up. In a different era the outcome would have likely been very different.

She would be destroying girls with this routine under the current code of points.

@marsbars2889

3 жыл бұрын

DOG WALK

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

Actually she wouldn’t. Several elements would be disregarded in the dance section because they’re repetitive. She would need to incorporate a great deal more variety in the leaps and jumps category. Acrobatics? Absolutely.

She was robbed !!! what a sad look in her eyes when the score appeared on the board... you rock Kui... then, now and always !

@vettegaddia6234

8 жыл бұрын

+NeitherNowNorHere robbed.

@mysticalmargaret6105

7 жыл бұрын

Even Elvire Teza is shaking her head in disbelief. If I were Gina Gogean I would have been ashamed to accept a gold medal after this performance.

@intldawn

4 жыл бұрын

Margaret Tudor Me too and it’s a shame because it wasn’t Gogean’s fault. She didn’t do anything wrong. She went out there and performed her routine cleanly. The judges and the code of points let her get away with doing a routine that had no tumbling series in the interior. It was same mess at the Olympics where they somehow gave her routine bronze over Kotchetkova’s far more difficult routine. She knew how to work the code to her advantage but still the judges still went for that over three people who had far more complex and difficult routines. Ridiculous

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

@@mysticalmargaret6105Gina had absolutely NO reason to be ashamed. She hit her beam routine as cleanly as possible, and incurred the least amount of deductions. This was spectacular- but had visible checks and a hop on landing. In that scoring system that was costly. It’s why the 10 system was eliminated and the open system was brought in- to reward extremely difficult routines like this and encourage more innovation and risk taking. The only person who should feel shame is YOU- for demeaning an athlete in such a way. Please at least attempt to grow into adulthood.

@BenThompson

Ай бұрын

At least 1 tenth for her balance check on full, .5-.25 for adjustment on loso landing, could take .25 for slight check on full turn, check with arms on landing, hop on landing It’s a great routine but there were errors that took the title away from her

One of the greatest highway robberies in the sport. I know she had small mistakes but damn. An iconic routine. I am not trying to hate on Gogean whom I admire a great deal but she won because she played it safe and the judges went for that. In many ways, Romanian gymnastics wasn’t about doing everything you’re capable of. It was about doing just enough. And I’m sorry but it doesn’t do it for me. Give me the Kui’s and the risk takers every damned day. The mistakes she made were unbelievably minor. For that to put her an equal footing with Gogean and Khorkina, I’ll never get it

@lorelaim3294

4 жыл бұрын

All I could see from Kui's routine as far as errors go were slight balance checks, this routine was so cool and beautiful this is one of if not the worst robberies in gymnastics.

@Dark0blivion

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that is why the 10.0 scoring system was bad. It didn't have any kind of reward for difficultly beyond the bare minimum. It was all about packing just enough difficulty to hit a 10.0 start value and then minimizing deductions, which is what the Romanians excelled at. They typically avoided excessive difficulty, whereas the Chinese would not.

@foodculture6355

2 жыл бұрын

Gina had great difficulty in the early 90's. However, she had a terrible fall on the beam. After that she changed her routines to do the bare minimum. I assume the fall scarred her psychologically. Personally, I thought Elvire Teza should have won gold for her beam performance this year. I don't even think she was in the top 5.

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

@@lorelaim3294that’s the problem- slight WOBBLES, as well as a hop on dismount. Like it or not, Gina performed more flawlessly than Kui in this final and was duly rewarded. Blame that scoring system, no judges.

@cullerjones

5 ай бұрын

@@foodculture6355 That makes sense, but the judges cannot score her based on that. They should be judging the routine only.

If anyone ever laments the death of the 10.0 scoring system, just show them this video. It's a classic example of why it needed to go.

She deserved a gold medal!

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

In the open ended system she’d have won. Unfortunately in that system you couldn’t afford any even slight wobbles- and especially couldn’t afford not to stick the dismount.

She was the clear gold here. In the era Romania was highly favored. Doing boring less difficult routines. Gold for China and Silver for Teza of France. Gogean should even be in the finals.

@Arthur-ix4vd

3 жыл бұрын

YES

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

Romania took greatest advantage of the scoring system- that’s how they won medals, particularly gold. It wasn’t their fault the scoring system of that time didn’t reward difficulty. Judges scored based on performance- not on nationality, get a grip.

Kui was robbed and I will say that forever and a day. Gogean's workman's beam set was a joke compared to this spectacular routine. If I were Gina, I'd be ashamed to hang on to a gold medal I knew I didn't deserve.

@Kevinsf

7 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. Unfortunately, this is the reason why we have the code we have now so that performances like this would not be scored lower than routines with lower values.

@TheTimo5494

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kevinsf its part of the reason the real reason is cause the judging in athens was so damn horrible . like figure skating in salt lake in 02 . so much corrupt judging at both games cause both figure skating and gymnastics to overhaul their scoring system. The fact that even other athletes in this final also shook their heads says a hell of alot for sure .

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

Can’t disagree there. What’s amazing is this would be incredibly competitive in TODAY’S world!

@lena-gk4vb

7 ай бұрын

​@@TheTimo5494Or figure skating at 2018 Olympics...Sotnikowa and Kim Yuna

HOW please tell me how come she didn't win the gold medal here??? This routine was marvelous!

@meiyang7595

2 жыл бұрын

because she is Chinese,if she is Romanian，Russian or American，she had got this gold.

@gbfutureolympians2883

2 жыл бұрын

@@meiyang7595 oh stop it. It’s got nothing to do with race

@williamt594

2 жыл бұрын

@@gbfutureolympians2883 it’s not race they’re referring to: at this period (not so sure about americans but definitely romanians ) were being over scored for basic routines that only just fulfilled the start value without doing anything monumental, they’re saying that if she was romanian she would’ve been scored higher which i probably agree with

@Tiger-cm1qc

2 жыл бұрын

@@gbfutureolympians2883The Chinese women were (and still are) very often underscored in the 90s.

@froufou100

Жыл бұрын

Me too, am always chocked shame didn’t win it!

One of my all time favourite beam routine x

"Third place.. A surprise, to put it mildly" Exactly!!

Amazing routine by Kui! God bless her!

Robbed. This deserved gold.

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

And would have gotten it had there not still been the 10 scoring system. That’s what robbed her, not the judges fault.

Holy Cow!!! She was certainly robbed!!!

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

By the scoring system of that time, not the judges. It’s exactly why the 10 system is gone.

Now THAT’S execution

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

Actually in that era it wasn’t the greatest, which is why it finished third. Several little checks and a hop on landing were costly. Today it would have won.

@TommyWiseauu

6 ай бұрын

@@saragrant9749 yeah today’s execution is sad. I understand the difficulties are higher but to watch all the bobbles and hops is just….

Era oro!!! Che scandalo questo verdetto!!! Kui❤

this podium was a joke! kuy should have wun! khorkina 2nd and maybe teza 3rd. how it s possible to put her behind the anoying performance of gogean?!

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

Blame the scoring system, not the athletes. It’s why the 10 system was done away with.

9.85 at the least.

This was the final world for gina and the judges made sure she won a bunch of medals. Back when judging was very corrupt she deserved nothing less than gold this beam was so difficult she literally only had to upgrade one skill between the two quads

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

There was NO corruption in the results of this event. The medals were determined by the archaic scoring system of that era- the 10. It’s why the open ended system exists now, to reward difficulty and encourage innovation and risk taking. Go become a judge yourself if you think you’re the foremost expert in the world at it- or shut it.

By today’s standards, this routine would still be competitive...But no, Gina Gogean won with a shit routine...Because it wasn’t about difficulty back then, it was reputation...SMDH 😒🙄

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

It was about getting a 10 SV, and then executing it well. This was amazing but had some visible checks- particularly the dismount. It’s why the open ended system was created. Rather than childishly blaming the athlete, why not blame the scoring system.

What’s the difficulty score of this routine in this current COP?

@emmathedilemmma

Жыл бұрын

in the current COP (2022 - 2024), her routine is valued at 5.0. the reason it's so low is because she doesn't have any forward or sideways acro to fulfill the multiple directions of acro CR, only backwards acro (i'm not sure if a round off counts as forward acro, but if it does, then that increases her SV to 5.5). also, a lot of the connections between her dance elements, while definitely connected, don't net her any tangible CV, sadly, and in this routine, she has only .2 CV and .2 SB (series bonus).

@1069GCGJ

8 ай бұрын

@@emmathedilemmma agree, the COP are different but no doubt Kui has the ability to perform 6.5+ if the routine been made by today. not to mention she has a G

@1069GCGJ

8 ай бұрын

@@emmathedilemmma however 5.0 with this performance can still make her on the podium in 2021 word champion (or even 2022 wc) lol

That beam looked so wobbly tho

@davfb8622

Жыл бұрын

Huh? If you mean the body position after the layout full and the six in a row series, I’d say you’re a little picky here

@saragrant9749

Жыл бұрын

@@davfb8622that was the point though- it DID have bobbles. It’s what cost her gold in that old scoring system.

Robbed!!!! Robbed!!!!

I can't stand the sadness in her face (kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWiHmY9sYMmXYpc.html) when she saw she's only third placer.

Well, now I know, asians are the best gymnasts of the world.

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

On beam and bars ONLY. In vault, floor, AA and team? Not even close.

Obviously fixed

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

Obviously scored based on the scoring system of that time - child. When you can become more educated about the scoring system of that time- the 10 and its requirements- you’ll understand.

Glad the 10 system is gone . Show them this bs

Robbed. Absolutely robbed

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

Only by that scoring system.

What a shame

Robbed

Gina was given the gift of her life and she knows it. Her beam routines are as boring as Maria Olaru's.

@Gazmeizster_Wongatron

5 ай бұрын

At least Olaru's routines had an actual acro series though. Why the FIG didn't change that rule after 1996 is beyond me...

@kenmoreSF

5 ай бұрын

@@Gazmeizster_Wongatron I agree with you on that point. The thing about the Romanian gymnastics during this period is that they only do enough just to fulfill the requirements by playing with the code. This is drastically different than the Romanians of the 80s and 90s. I'm not saying that what they did was illegal but it makes gymnastics uninspriring and boring, especially on bars.

She was not robbed. She had lots of big tricks, but execution matters. She had balance breaks all throughout the routine. Her score was fair. Gogean had zero breaks.

Booohhh to Romania!!! Now karma is back now.

@yvessaint5936

Жыл бұрын

What are you talking about? Its not ginas fault, she didnt get herself final score. You should blame on judges and scoring system at that time.

@saragrant9749

6 ай бұрын

Ah, words spoken by someone who clearly never left pre adolescence. This was scored based on the system available at the time. Not anyone’s fault that the little bobbles proved costly- as they should have given the code.