Well said! Love my TPI. „Better“ is relative. And some guys forget that it’s about the riding not about the bike.

@davidsalinas6084

Жыл бұрын

100% i own a tpi and told myself to stop worrying about every little thing about the bike’s motor and focus on improving my skills

@dabrula

Жыл бұрын

Have you ridden a TBI though?

worrying about emissions on a dirt bike is the most stupid thing ever

@minibikemadman

Жыл бұрын

indeed I'll stick to PWk's and air strikers.

@ZmanAdventurez88

Жыл бұрын

Yea it really is, the amount of emissions produced by dirtbikes don't even come close to even a tiny percentage of the amount of emissions made by literally every single other vehicle on the road. It's the most ridiculous thing.

@redball4093

Жыл бұрын

Tell it to the government lawmakers.

@tdog54

Жыл бұрын

@@ZmanAdventurez88 very true. Also every aeroplane dumping unimaginable amounts of leaded fuel emissions.

@SSYoung125

Жыл бұрын

I agree... but because of emissions we now have eletric start, fuel injection 2 strokes. all of the fun with low barrier to entry for the non mechanic type. (Im still carburetor and kick start so dont at me) but manufacturers would not have made dirt bikes heavier and more complicated if it wasn't for emissions. So weigh the pros and cons.

Love my 2021 Husky TE250i (TPI). No issues at all. Amazing bike. Maintain and just have a long warm up time. But amazing bike!

@davidsalinas6084

Жыл бұрын

Yeah my 22 tpi has 85 hours and no problems

@MrHellga

8 ай бұрын

I also had a 2021 Husky 250i (TPI) as my first 2 stroke bike after I had many four stroke bikes.I did around 60hrs on it without any problems. I just changed the power valve adjustment for a more aggressive feel. That worked well and I liked the bike without mixing fuel all the time. Never even thought about oil pump failure.

2018 ktm carb fed bike. 200 hrs. Not one issue, not even a counter shaft seal.

Bro,that wheelies.Nice video.

The biggest advantage in TPI was fuel injection and low fuel consumption. But crabs makes riding more extreme because power delivery is in combination 0-1. My 2016 two stroke Husqy TE250 was consuming 11L per 100 km. It was much much more than modern TPI engine but Smart Carb or Lectron caburators are game changer. Thanks to them bike run smoother and don't waste fuel eny more. I saw many TPI users riding with pre-mixed fuel for safety. I am thinking of new enduro bike and I'm closer to buy carbed bike with smart Carb than new TBI, maybe thanks to you mate after I saw in one of your movies this Kymco parts in new KTM.

@AlbertKlanort

Жыл бұрын

Ktm exc 300 2016 or Beta RR 300 2016

@kicekap

Жыл бұрын

@blalbert KTM has plenty of aftermarket parts with Beta it is complicated. But Beta's are getting on popularity.

@scannorse

Жыл бұрын

@@kicekap Why are KTM guys soooo focused on parts ? 1) Because they break more often ? 2) Because the bikes is not made ready for race directly from factory ? 3) Because KTM guys like bling more than the rest ? 4) Because spend money will make you a better driver ? 5) Or ?

@kicekap

Жыл бұрын

@scannorse there are company's that produce skidplates, triplecalmps, pistons, engine parts and etc. for KTM but if you buy stock KTM EXC you must do some mods for serious racing. For example Beta 300 RR Steve Holcombe edition was made ready for race stock from factory and doesn't cost as much as KTM 6 days.

@scannorse

Жыл бұрын

@@kicekap thats exactly my point….. Other brands do not need all those parts and bling to work

Does anyone actually have issues with the modern oil injection? Oil injection and EFI have been pretty much standard on Snowmobiles for a quarter century and no one is out here swapping them out to carb or premix. We routinely ride them 30+ miles out into the frozen wilderness here where an engine failure is much more dangerous than the same distance along most any single track dirt bike trail

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

I think most people are just opposed to change and being silly about it.

@jj4791

4 ай бұрын

^ This Fuel injection is infinitely better and more controllable. I don't think there is a single person living who can tune a carb perfectly. I mean perfect, as in tune it. Then have an independent third party dyno the bike with an AFR sensor in the exhaust and see. Even if a tuner got it perfect. It would be on one specific day, tempurature, altitude, barometric pressure and humidity. As soon as the sub sets that tune is invalid except on maybe 50 days a year, and only at specific times of day. Carbs are objectively worse than EFI because EFI has an actual fuel map and is metering fuel in a continuously variable manner many times a second to maintain the precise fuel air ratio. Not to mention the spark is also controlled in the same free manner. Unlike fixed timing or simple timing advance coils. Then you have the same tech applied to oil now also. Metering a precise amount of oil based on throttle position, fuel flow, and rpm. Or however they have it tuned. This means more oil when you need it at full power. And far leas oil at idle. Cleaning up the idle exhaust and reducing fouling of plugs, rings, etc. It is so vastly better to control these items with a computer than guesstimate with fuel mix for the days conditions. Timing advance based on advancing base timing and hoping everything works out. And constantly swapping jets trying to optimize the fuel mix.

So interesting to learn. However I raced 125cc when I was on my 20s and had a blast! Never even imagined to get to see this bikes today. I own a 300 tpi and the moment I start questioning little things on the bike I remember that kid that was just happy to ride and race with that technology. I am all about progress but I a choose to live thankful for what I have and where I am. And my bike is a big part of it. Will I get a newer bike? Totally. But not because of the new tech, but because for me it makes sense financially. Other than that I still walk to my garage every morning and smile at my tpi. Blessings to all.

Injection not does out perform carburetion in terms of performance (output). Its maintains stoichiometric precision better. Atomization of the fuel/air is better with carbs than fuel injection. Maybe this can change with injection technology but it isn't there yet. Because it maintains Stoichiometry better it is more efficient than regular carbs, but a Smart Carb or Lectron solves this issue. A perfectly set metered carb like the two above will be more efficient and outperform injection since atomization is better. Just food for though. TBI is awesome and is closer to carburetion.

@jj4791

4 ай бұрын

Depends on the injector design and fuel pressure. If it was so beneficial to use a carb, why did automotive companies change 30+ years ago and never go back?

@ameunier41

Ай бұрын

Why does a carburetor have better atomization than an injector. Injectors are pretty effective at atomizing the fuel.

@colinbowman8816

Ай бұрын

Carburators will often have something sticking out into the airstream... Like needles or the venturi which do act as air flow restrictions, therefore limiting power. EFI systems usually make a little more power on an otherwise identical engine. And saying that carbs atomize fuel better than even low pressure -40psi port fuel injectors is silly.

I liked the info on the differences of tpi and tbi but you are wrong about ktm being the only ones pushing 2 stroke technology. Tm 2 stroke dirtbikes had electric power valve fuel injected 2 strokes years ago

@danhopkinson2811

Жыл бұрын

and sherco were the first ones to bring out efi 4 strokes way back in 2004

have a 2023 TPI TW150 and just bought a 2024 TE150 TBI no comparrison the TBI is hands down smoother, hits harder and just runs clean everywhere

Everyone always forgets about TM , they have electronic power valve, different maps on different gears and TBI system for 2 years now.

For me TPi! The oil pump just use motorex

@dracer35

Жыл бұрын

Same. The oil injection is a key feature for me. I don't ever have to deal with getting the mixture right depending on if i'm riding slow low rpm technical stuff or fast wide open high rpm stuff. Also I only need one fuel can between my 2 stroke and my wifes 4 stroke. It works and I like it.

I think there is a place for both bikes. TPI and TBI

Switch from TPI to TBI proves that the first one was a step in the wrong direction.

@TheDirtbikeRider

Жыл бұрын

I have same thinking as you have 😊

@joshuavanzuydam5044

Жыл бұрын

TPI hasnt been fazed out. TBI is being used on Cross Country and MX models, because those markets require a harder hitting bike. KTM has shown no signs that the TPI will be fazed out.

@MR.TOYBOX

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuavanzuydam5044 Word is the 2024 xcw 300 will have TBI. We will see in a few months.

@bradleyaustin2369

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuavanzuydam5044 I live in Australia and I'm hoping that KTM keep making the TPI and we can still buy them in Australia 🙂

Have you been able to work out why your new bike blew up yet?, be good to know what caused that.

I am new to Moterbikes and i was wondering do u need to premix fuel for the 2024 line up of ktm exc bikes

@MrHellga

8 ай бұрын

yes

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

No I have one and it has oil injection

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

@@MrHellgaThe XC and SX bikes still use premix but the EXC/ XCW are oil injected

Ukellnim is something that will go after so long, depending on how hard they be pushed. Don't know if on these bikes but older one's are a lot better ride and feel. Different strokes for different blokes it be but I love my slim fast 2 stroke motocross bikes. They are the wildest dream bikes. Red and White you ride all night

Few years ago i would say go Carb all the way, but these days after years with no Carb bikes i should say they work very solid and wouldn't go back. :) The ones i love the most i my sons 125, started -23 and this year riding the -24 and even if i must mix oil on the 125:s they work very solid and nice.

ktm exc 300 tpi better than ktm exc 300 tbi hard enduro/hard extrem?

I went with TBC (Throttle Body Carburetion). I can fix or swap cars, I don't know anything about FI

Can you leave the tbi wide open like a 4 stroke without blowing it up ?

@Shadow0fd3ath24

Жыл бұрын

maybe if its tuned for it from factory, but still a bad idea, same with coasting in gear and no throttle, it needs fuel for lube whether burning it to make power or not. Pull that clutch in and rev it up and down occasionally

@sage4286

7 ай бұрын

@@Shadow0fd3ath24what If you coast holding the clutch in? Should you still blip the throttle?

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

I have a 2024 250 XCW and it has a rev limiter like a four stroke.

Can’t beat my 18’ TE300. Add a lectron zero issues.

My 24 TE150 has been amazing and is very hard to stall, for as small the engine is

I don't want it to be a ktm... I'm disappointed that the new models don't have monthly subscription heated seats, instead you can only pay to unlock the rev limit.

I liked the explanation in the video. Well done! However, "fuel injection is also typically easier to maintain (than a carburetor) because it has fewer components that can wear out or require adjustment" - Dude what have you been smoking?

Just for clarification, on tbi you cannot use engine brake on downhills due to not enough gas mixture in crank case. On tpi the oil was injected even if throttle was closed. Or?

@SysAdmin86K5

Жыл бұрын

Engine breaking has nothing to do with the fuel in the mixture. It has to do with the air.

@2WheelDerness

Жыл бұрын

@@SysAdmin86K5 the engine braking is made by compression. The issue on carb 2strokes and think also on TBI is that engine brake is used for long time, it will wear very fast because of high rpm and no mixture present. The TPI had the oil injected directly into crankcase without the need to have the throttle opened.

@SysAdmin86K5

Жыл бұрын

​@@2WheelDernessCarbs still let atomized mixed air in even when the throttle is closed via the pilot jet. Still getting some oil to the crank and cylinder. I understand that there is a small decrease in lubrication but its not a significant amount and is doesn't change the characteristics of engine breaking. The decrease is even probably a proportional derivative of the decrease in heat due to the lack of ignition on engine breaking.

@2WheelDerness

Жыл бұрын

@@SysAdmin86K5 this is new info for me, thanks. The issue I had was that I put a new top end - bottom end checked and was ok. After ~ 10 hrs in the woods ( not agressive driving, just not pulling the clutch on small descends where engine brake was enough) the bottom was starting lots of noise. Pulled engine appart again, was very dry and rod bearings was bad. I used 50:1 synthetic mix. Maybe also I was a little lean but I barely used the throttle in the beginning, no crazy climbs, etc. So this was my logic... but thanks for explaining

One thing no one mentions is that the TPI bikes are tamed down due to the mapping that is required to pass euro emissions. I have a derestricted race map on my 21 250 XC TPI with a head and it absolutely rips and out pulls a TBI from bottom to top. KTM no longer supplies derestricted race maps so you must get reflashed by a tuner

@wildnfree223

Жыл бұрын

Aren't these the bikes known to grenade ? The Head usually bumps compression And the EFI mods ignition and fuel riding the ragged edge of lean / detonation if it's not tuned slightly conservative boom 🤷 Compounded by offshoring (India/ china) engine parts I don't know how I feel about KTM's

Easy choose carburetor, several friends have went to Beta. I chose a carb bike then used a Electron

@kimdouglas6987

Жыл бұрын

My husband likes his Smartcarb. Very similar to the Lectron. Metering rod and no jets

@joshuavanzuydam5044

Жыл бұрын

The problem is emission standards. Beta and Sherco dont sell Enough units to be constrained by emission standards for now. KTM has to adhere because of the sheer volume of bikes they sell. In the near future though, there will be no Carbs as emission standards get stricter and stricter

Ever change a Tpi with an Injector Relocation Plate and Ecu Reflash ?

@geraldamdahl7838

Ай бұрын

Yep, did that on my 2021 300 tpi. The Athena GET race ecu is what I bought. Made a big difference on the bottom end. Plus i could tune it with my phone and save different maps for different types of riding.

So in conclusion, TBI uses pre-mixed fuel again? Pity, I love the separate oil injection that depends on mapping. Would be nice if they could work on error management of the oil pump and simply add an electronic throttle body to the TPI

So, if I can buy a carbureted motorcycle, install a Smartcarb, ride it right away, AND not have to fuss with it wouldn't that be a win win win?

you talk like an AI npc, but nice video.

It would go into reverse?

So the TBI models aren't sold in the EU???

@TheDirtbikeRider

Жыл бұрын

In 6 months, sales in the EU will start, EXC 2024 TBI

You didn’t really explain the difference, and how the tbi is only on the xc models now not the enduro models

Nice. Just got a 22 te300i tpi. Very curious the differences. Thank you!

I like 2:18 :-) ….”carburator……more traction..” yes!

tm racing was first on the market usinng tbi with electric power valve... ktm just copy this. carb is carb, simply and easy fix. who cares, how much its take fuel...

Its a tough choice the factory tbi with electric power valve is definitely better preforming stock. Unfortunately you can't add a kick starter to the factory tbi bikes so I will probably go tpi and relocate the injectors to the throttle body, delete the oil pump and add a kick starter because I do 100 plus mile rides in the back country

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

No need for a kickstarter. As long as you ride enough to keep the battery charged you will be fine.

wow, it takes two minutes in before the first difference is talked about. Then there is 3 more minutes of BS and a few other real differences at 5 minutes. This is nearly content free.

I refuse to go back to the premix, it's a fucking nuisance before I go back to 4t... long live the tpi !!!

@TheDirtbikeRider

Жыл бұрын

I like to mix fuel, it doesn't cause me a problem. But it's definitely one of a kind to ride a tpi, not needing to have oil in bag

Not true BRP has been using a fuel injected 2 smoker since the 80s in their outboard motors

@Shadow0fd3ath24

Жыл бұрын

he meant on dirtbikes

@Mostviews111

Жыл бұрын

@@Shadow0fd3ath24 clearly but the technology isn't anything new ktm fan boys act like they made a huge step for mankind.

Direct injection?

Carb will always be king !

I’ll go with a carb, Yamaha

1:13 Fuel Injection is easier to maintain? That pretty much ignores the sensor and pump failures that never happen on a carbureted bike or the many trouble free decades old bikes that are our there ripping right now.

@danhopkinson2811

Жыл бұрын

@OldDirtGuy yep! and those sensors cost £100 each in England while the throttle position sensor is £260

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

@@danhopkinson2811a few hundred dollars of mantinence after a few years on a thirteen thousand dollar bike should not be a big deal

What is better TBI or TPI?

@TheDirtbikeRider

3 ай бұрын

its really hard to say, but i suggest TBI, but wait one year more to see if they will have issues

@marekjankura791

3 ай бұрын

@@TheDirtbikeRider okey thanks

Carb for me :D

Wishing ktm would make a big open class TPI monster with double the hp 2-stroke with a Street legal kit. Absolutely I'd buy one. 57hp on 300cc Idk. I'm leaning tword the maico 700 2-stroke. 100hrs? That's 2 weeks of riding maybe...

Why do you keep talking about fuel efficiency? Like any dirt bike rider anywhere looks at a dirt bike and looks at the MPG when considering a bike. Only honda riders look at MPG

@Ilovecupramen

Жыл бұрын

Cuz getting stuck in the boonies isn’t fun 😅

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

I think efficiency is nice for enduro because you can go farther with less weight in fuel

Ktm... doing the lords work

So enduros don’t even have tbi?

@cavanon

Жыл бұрын

The only enduro bikes with TBI are the TM Racing, they started to put the tech into work in their 2022 enduro models. They even started to use TPI before KTM.

Wish Yamaha would build an enduro or Suzuki again

@Shadow0fd3ath24

Жыл бұрын

uhhh they do.....they make the wr250 Enduro, the 125x, 250x, and 450x which are for cross country, along with the TW200, and the xt250 which are road legal enduros lol

Give me a carbed bike, with a Keihin and I’m all good. Fewer parts to go wrong. Easily worked on by most riders.

@dracer35

Жыл бұрын

I have to disagree. There's lots of things to go wrong with carbs. Floats, needles, slides, jets, springs, accelerator pump diaframs, o-rings, gaskets. I've wasted so much riding time over the years dealing with shitty carburetors, I couldn't wait sell all my carb bikes and move to fuel injection and haven't had a problem since.

@scannorse

Жыл бұрын

@@dracer35 funny….i have been running carb bikes in almost 60 years now, never had a carb failure. Jetting of course, but no failures. Been running fuel injected bikes for 3 years besides my carb bikes, had several sensors/injectors failures….not speaking about ecu upgrades

@dracer35

Жыл бұрын

@@scannorse Just goes to show, nothing is perfect. Guess we can all just ride what we like and call it a day.

@jaybray4901

Жыл бұрын

@@dracer35 Never heard of such sillyness. Carbs do not have lot's of things that can go wrong lol.

@dracer35

Жыл бұрын

@@jaybray4901 I spelled it out pretty clearly in case you didn't read it. I work in a motorcycle shop. We constantly have bikes in getting the carbs worked on daily. Fuel injection systems issues is very rare at about 1 FI problem per every 100 carb issues we fix.

Lots of tpi tbi issues at sea to sky, nah has to be yamaha for me!

👏👏👏👏👏

i dunno i dont really like electric power valves really havent heard that much good about their long term reliability

More fuel more traction...humm!! And is critical on bad wheather, bad wheather on off road bike? NEVER. I`m telling Greta

Rieju are a great reliable, less expensive, more fun bike with awesome KYB suspension all round!

Definitely do not trust those oil pumps. If I ever owned a bike with one I would delete it and run premix.

My carb bike always uses less fuel that the tpi lads

@TheDirtbikeRider

Жыл бұрын

It is possible, but in extreme terrain, the carburetor spills a lot if you fall

@ridge_reaper_929

Жыл бұрын

Create a trap by looping the overflow hose above the top of the float bowl and back down. I consistently have more fuel left over than tpi’s. Extreme, hare scrambles any riding any terrain doesn’t matter. Keihin 36 and Beta forever.

@CineZoneYT

7 ай бұрын

I bet that comes from the better throttle response of fuel injection so the engine can spool up quicker and use more gas

3 minute intro on an 8min video is too long bro.

Interesting that people in a number of years could only say TPI…..with all its flaws and failures. Heck, even KTM`s own factory rider dont like it and says: Quote: " a 300 two-stroke (KTM..) - a bike which has won so many world titles in the past (Enduro GP) but a big, fat zero since things turned TPI. " ….. Now they have a system that almost feels like a carburetor…… Many steps walked to get back…

@AlbertKlanort

Жыл бұрын

Ktm exc 300 2016 or Ktm exc 300 2022

there is no choice between the two though. if you ride enduro and own an exc currently its not like you have an option to choose tpi or tbi. as only the MX bikes are currently running the TBI system

Dude use your speaking voice it's makes your script my credible. Using AI to write and read your script is lame.

the only difference is one sukks and 1 dont..tpi is problem waiting to happen..alotta these bikes will blow up here in the next few years..the oil pump will fail

Sherco and Beta are much better bikes than Ktm.

@mdemosani

Жыл бұрын

They are now because they are blowing up after 60 hours

@viniperini

Жыл бұрын

@@mdemosani kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

@gb-bp1me

6 ай бұрын

Which brand is blowing up after 60 hours?@@mdemosani

@sorindobria2315

5 ай бұрын

I love my beta 2022

@gb-bp1me

4 ай бұрын

How does a Yamaha WR250F compare to a Sherco or a Beta? @@sorindobria2315

3:20 A rule that I follow when it comes to KTM....never buy anything from this company when it is the first year of its release! 😞

Easy to explain OVERPRICED vs OVERPRICED!! #smh

@dumbdumb572

Жыл бұрын

If you're worrying about money you might want to find a new hobby. Try fishing.

@jarrod1687

7 ай бұрын

Fishing? That can be an extremely expensive hobby

@greygrey40

5 ай бұрын

what are you talking about, I left roadracing for enduro for a reason. Love my 23 TE300 after I got it sorted out

TPI, LOL. Lets inject straight gas into the cylinder on every start up. What engineer was smoking what to come up with this? I hate TPI. My 2022 KTM 300 XC TPI seized at 7.2 & 7.4 hours. Dealers and KTM could not diagnois it. KTM put a new crate motor & oil injection pump into it after the 2nd time. 2 big thumbs up to KTM & the dealer who never gave up. The crate motor ran so much better. Like a completely different bike. Then I converted it to TBI & 100% premix to help ensure it never seize again. I lnow of 100's of TPI that seized in under 50 or70 hours. You also have to adjust the "idle screw at KTM calls it" the air bypass screw. Every year of bike came with this screw set at a diiferent # of turns. Also replacing the KTM ECU with a Coober, GETS or TwoStrokePerformance all fuel & oil better. Even KTM's sales manager said so!

they should not remove the oil pump, they should improve it. all the 4t engines have fuel pumps, yet nobody cries like a little pussy about it

do the job properly....DI.

Terribly stretched video

@TheDirtbikeRider

11 ай бұрын

Speed it up to 2x, and time will pass faster

@14types

11 ай бұрын

@@TheDirtbikeRider I mean a lot of the same sentences, a lot of introductory words and all for the sake of duration? this is terrible in 2023

None of this is better than carb they just have to comply with absurd emission laws. Keep shilling for ktm I guess, sponsorship soon?

KTM is genius for letting its customers do the R&D for tpi and tbi. It's like the customer is paying thousands of dollars to KTM to find all of the flaws in their new engines. It's a win, win situation for ktm. KTM doesn't even need to pay for a Research and development team bc of brand loyal sheep, pretty sad, actually

Garbage AI-generated content.. sigh...

Thumbs down for the annoying adverts.

Get a 4-stroke and leave your ancient technology (two stroke) problems in the past people.

@scannorse

Жыл бұрын

Why having a boring life when it can be much more fun on a 2-stroke ?

@cyclemoto8744

Жыл бұрын

@@scannorse I'd also like to add, why watch a video about 2 strokes if he hates them ?

@greygrey40

5 ай бұрын

ride ultra tight single track much?

So, witch Ktm I should buy?😄😅 I want to buy 300exc, but witch? Thanks