I did like the bit where the Krieg colonel ordered all non-Krieg to evacuate the battle, as he was well aware his men could resist the effects of the fallout of the atomics. That bit just goes to show that the Krieg place a higher value of life on anyone over themselves.

@KageRyuu6

2 жыл бұрын

Value of life? No, rather it's simple logistics, the Krieg can survive the fallout and hold the line against the Orks, so there's no benefit to sacrificing the Cadians in such a situation.

@xuanquang9815

2 жыл бұрын

@@KageRyuu6 that same Colonel decided that Krieger will absorb most of the casualties when planning to attack the Hive

@__mindflayer__

2 жыл бұрын

@@KageRyuu6 Exactly why they value their lives.

Assuming 1 million worlds with an average population of 1 billion people (modern earth is almost 8 billion) it works out to 1 quadrillion, 1,000,000,000,000,000 Imperium citizens. Assuming just 1% of the population serves in the Imperial Guard that alone would be 10 TRILLION, 10,000,000,000,000 Guardsmen.

@latayantheazran

2 жыл бұрын

And thats a very low estimate given that hive worlds can get to the hundreds of billions, and terra alone is said to house a quadrillion

@avonthesageoc4980

2 жыл бұрын

And all things considering that's a very low estimate, we know that the population of even a single hive city has a population of 10 to 100 billion, with 85% of Imperial worlds having a hive city on them.

@SigRho1429

2 жыл бұрын

Soldiers don’t win wars, beans win wars. Logistics is your limiting factor in this equation. You’d need billions of battleships and transports to move the men, the equipment, and food required to win campaigns. The Imperium’s military might is governed entirely by the speed of the Mechanicus to build stuff.

@caretakercat7176

2 жыл бұрын

@@SigRho1429 who needs supply when you are just a canon fodder. Like most of this guardsman are ended up dead so the supply provided are gonna have low expectation of surviving soldier

@kaleoarnold3709

2 жыл бұрын

@@caretakercat7176 Yes, but even your cannon fodder need to be able to sustain itself to be good cannon fodder.

Another book, Dead Men Walking, has the Krieg fighting Necrons alongside a PDF. I think that was a good book showing the disparity of the Krieg and normal soldiers. It’s also by Steve Lyons lol

@scottsorenson7983

2 жыл бұрын

Steve Lyons basically writes the majority the Krieg lore as far as I can tell.

@tomseppanen2316

2 жыл бұрын

Only problem in that book is needless love story between a mine manager and a governors daughter. It just felt out of place.

@cousinzeke4888

2 жыл бұрын

@@tomseppanen2316 They spend like 80 percent of the book separated so it didn't really bother me. It did make the ending hurt even more though.

@treaosserrare9826

2 жыл бұрын

@@cousinzeke4888 my man's got shafted after he spent so much time growing from being wimpy to being strong and capable

@ryanst-georges4633

2 жыл бұрын

@@treaosserrare9826 and suicidal

The Grenadier model was discontinued. There is mention of Grenadiers in this book. There is hope.

Best part of the book for me is, the part where the Guard storms the hive full of orks and the Cadians all scream "CADIA STANDS"

I think the best part was when the nuke went off in the Octarius war part. it really shows the horrors of WMD's, and legit made my skin crawl reading what the survivors had to deal with (while they survived at least).

@npags2911

2 жыл бұрын

Loved that part, but was a bit confused. The inquisitor made it out to be a whole thing that the technology was obtained through heretical deals, but then it turned out to just be a couple of nukes. I was expecting a bit more tbh.

@collecter343

Жыл бұрын

@@npags2911 Even the people of the imperium understand how terrible nukes can be.

There's a short story, only about an hour to listen to, called Down Amongst the Dead Men. From that, we learn that Kriegers aren't clones, that the vitae wombs are exactly that, artificial wombs, and that every man that leaves Krieg leaves a genetic donation to become fathers. That's part of why Kriegers are so keen on becoming soldiers, only soldiers can have children, either the normal way or from the artificial wombs. Also, I'm pretty sure the Inquisitior saw that the Krieg soldiers are young. Like, a bit too young.

@xuanquang9815

2 жыл бұрын

the 15 years old blonde kid you see in German war photo, yeah that's a Krieger

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

the inquisitor says that a krieg grenadier is 19 and thinks thats a bit too young.

@xuanquang9815

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthiuskoenig3378 each of them had at least 5 years of service so yeah

When it comes to the look of the soldiers, there's one part where a death rider was knocked off his horse saving our girl during an urban engagement with ork bikers, his gas-mask and helm was broken only enough to show that his "blond curly hair" flowed out.

@Matej_Sojka

2 жыл бұрын

Prince Charming joke reference?

@emarusso5758

10 ай бұрын

Finn from adventure time

Meanwhile khorne : so you don’t care for losses and have extreme breeding programs why you remind me of someone? Krieg: iron is us strong humanity is weak Iron warriors: moot krinded

@majormajorasic

2 жыл бұрын

Trench kindred am I rite?

@henrypaleveda7760

2 жыл бұрын

@@majormajorasic fortification

The book is amazing in terms of expectations: you’ve got everything you wished for - even a Kriegsman killing an ork with a shovel. I’m biased obviously but this is how I imagined Krieg: traumatized, zealous and utterly badass people.

It saddens me that thanks to this they won't read "dead men walking" when it's a great book

Guy who read Krieg and dead man walking here ! While Krieg is a history book about krieg, Dead man walking is a book about Krieg fighting necrons. The bit that make Dead man walking better then krieg imo is the fact that in DMW you follow a normal guy go from scared and cowardly to a krieg mentality. (Which is very intriguing)

One part of the 'shock' that the interogator got from seeing the kriegsmens faces is probably also the fact that they are teenagers at best.

@Johnny350Z

2 жыл бұрын

Too bad we never found out… 🤦🏻‍♂️

The point between yurtin and his daughter was they never really spent much time together. They weren’t close. He loved her but he put his duty above EVERYTHING.

@genericname718

2 жыл бұрын

Even then her death did affect him in a big way. Even in the book jurten says greel told him she was just one soldier, and thats what he needed to hear.

I STRONGLY recommend you guys read/listen to Day of Ascension, a fantastic Genestealer Cults book from the perspective of a 4th generation cultist and a techpriest. Singlehandedly convinced me to drop $400 on a new army 😅

@probablyhuman3193

2 жыл бұрын

That book got me into genestealer cults!

@starwarsnerd100

2 жыл бұрын

Should have waited for the Genestealer Combat Patrol bro, no idea when it’s coming out but it’s a bunch of minis for $200

@ditlevbjerregaard571

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, it is such a great read and not too long.

@weirdyfish

2 жыл бұрын

Oh it is getting me there as well help

@sevranararis7704

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, yes! I was considering dropping my GSC, but goddamn if that book didn't reinvigorate my faith in the Four-Armed Emperor.

What gives you the idea Jurten's daughter was killed? The word of Jurten's enemy? Certainly not, because Jurten denied the circumstances. Are we then to believe Jurten's thoughts instead, where he in turn believed his daughter's claim? (she told Jurten before the mission she would not be taken alive.) The whole point is that Jurten doesn't know. He'll never know.

It made me happy to see that the Krieg are humans (like any other guard). I feel that lately they are seen as suicidal, but they do have emotions (they do experience fear, shame, and a sense of purpose). The fact that they keep small tokens for themselves (like the bone fragment), shows that they still have feelings as any other human.

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

i mean the bone fragments and emotions thing has always been in krieg lore. vraks describes them as quick to anger.

Gonna be honest I really liked this book, the voice acting was awesome Jotern from the jump is batshit insane and I was not expecting to get a moral lesson on WMDs and the moral implications of destroying a world and how the Krieg don’t waste life they simple view it as a resource that is to be spent in calculated risks.

@Ashtor1337

2 жыл бұрын

... sound horrible. Considering the shit they have WMDs are just a Tuesdays for the imperium it appears to be an idiot on a soup box. Thanks for saving me the time.

Krieg was fine but Dead Men Walking is the superior book. From what i understand is that there was some retcons in the Krieg book. Like the launch codes was given to the loyalists by the Imperium in their last communique and that the Vitae-womb tech was given to Krieg by the Admech by order form the High Lords after the war. Buuuuut I could be wrong on that.

@majormajorasic

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah AdMech gave Krieg Vitae-Womb tech and maintains it after they found out how mechanically obedient Krieg regiments were.

@alexandreogrande2100

2 жыл бұрын

and also yes, the launch codes were given on the last imperiun transmition on the same day that the antena was shot down.

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

the orginal siege of vraks says the vitae-womb birthing techniques was only given to krieg by the admech after they returned to the imperial fold. so that is not a retcon.

Would be awesome to see an episode on Lorgar and the Word Bearers next. There's so much interesting lore to unpack, and so many amazing characters, like Argel Tal and Xaphen.

@RagnaRok852

2 жыл бұрын

It would! Especially Lorgar

@sond.lollipop8919

2 жыл бұрын

I always road the memes about how is all his fault but after listing to the first heretic his story is fantastic probably one of the best written traitor primarchs.

@sond.lollipop8919

2 жыл бұрын

@@shell5900 yea I really wanted to hate Him in the first heretic but you just can’t by the end especially after his conversation with magnus. You see how broken his spirit really is. Also it’s just hard t hate Gman in general. Ik all the blueberry memes are great as somewhat justified but Bobby Gman is a breath of fresh air in current lore.

@andrewgolubiewski3463

2 жыл бұрын

I see you are a true fan of chaos. It's a well known rule that any time a request is made the faction/character gets moved to the back of the list of things to be covered. Nothing quite as chaotic than betraying a legion to move it to the back of the line. Edit: I'm just curious who you REALLY want them to cover that you're pushing word bearers to the back of the list. You clever dog.

@irtazaazam6972

2 жыл бұрын

The first heretic is my favourite 40k book

I really enjoyed this book, It was my first complete read of a Warhammer book! I tried with Dead Men Walking but was bored to death by the weird love-story subplot and just stopped reading. As for this book, I really liked how the author depicted the Krieg, the way they're presented is really well done! the balance between their outward inhumanity with subtle hints of the underlying humanity shining through their indoctrination is excellent, the inquisitors were a good way to compound this and make it shine Ferrin's suspicion was a good way to keep it interesting. Pairing the Krieg with the Cadians was something I actually really liked because you have this regiment of soldiers who are so dedicated and loyal to the emperor their world cracked before their loyalty and will to fight faltered... just to get one-upped by this seemingly inhuman regiment that they had never heard of or seen before that had arrived after you failed to hold the hive city, causing the Krieg to get on the Cadians nerves and having that lead to the Cadians taking a hit of Copeium to then slowly gain some respect for the Krieg was cool in my opinion. I have three big gripes about the book though, the first one is the lack of any mention of what Ferrin felt after he made the Kriegsmen remove their masks, you get blue ballsed and have to go through several chapters just to get back to Ferrin not even mentioning anything about it... not one word, I don't want a full description but no mention at all kinda felt odd. The second was the fate of the traitor soldiers after Jurten nuked the world, I was hoping for at least a small subplot to see what they did instead of just assuming death off-screen, seeing their attempt to survive would have been interesting, it would add more weight to the human aspect of what Jurten did. the Third was the relatively mediocre battle scenes, there were some really interesting moments via brutality or silliness but most of the time it was kinda just fighting for the sake of fighting, the author could have had some really interesting battle scenes during the Krieg civil war where you get to see the slow progression of the Loyalists going from being a normal IG force like the Traitors to being the Death Korps we know and love... I just think it could have been neat to see over another Ork charge. fuck you by the way... I just closed out of Warthunder and am very much a ww1- ww2 geek.

the ending was cool, yet at the same time was kinda sad hearing their training on trench and siege warfare, you get to see that the Kriegmen lost their humanity, and became a legion of artificial wombs born, soul-less zelots that knows nothing but to fight and die for their emperor. 7/10 love the book, mainly Jurtan's arc.

@xuanquang9815

2 жыл бұрын

well, they have nothing to live for but everything to die for

@Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos

2 жыл бұрын

@@PodreyJenkin138 ahh reading the book I must have misinterpreted that My bad.

@Romellenios_Lanz_Daemos

2 жыл бұрын

@@xuanquang9815 sad but true.

Krieg do take moral tests on the table, they're just harder to fail than regular Guard tests

I’m surprised the next review isn’t Assassinorum Kingmaker since that was written by the same Author as the Infinite and the Divine and also heavily features Imperial Knights

On the subject of the reaction to the Kreigers removing their masks: the average Catachan can get cheaper insurance, the average Cadian can drink, and the average Kriegsman can get a driver’s license.

do you guys have any plans on a episode about Celestine or the Legion of the dammed? the concept of Loyalist Daemons is quite amazing

@Raphael_Bizmann

2 жыл бұрын

all the more proof that Big E is a god of Order or a Chaos god of Tyranny.

The guardsmen were unsure if they had names, but eventually they ended up saying their name was jurten, and the idea was that they were all the same at least to my eyes. That combined with the fact that they were all atoning for their sins in life, says to me that they were all clones of him.

@MrPikaGammer

2 жыл бұрын

They aren't clones as that is complete Heresy to the Imperium, how a Kriegsman is made is they combine DNA from a random male and female from the gene-records and then put them in an Vita-Womb. They are Vat Grown humans so are given numbers instead of names to keep them without identity they don't have names and the only reason most of the time they don't take off their masks is that a sizable portion of Kriegsmen are teenagers.

@calebgrant5636

2 жыл бұрын

I think this is it, tbh. They feel bad because they are indeed clones of Jurten, and they repent his actions as though they are "shared". Sort of like the Blood Angels, and the memories of Sanguinius but not due to geneseed.

@conan2096

2 жыл бұрын

vita wombs arent cloning tanks, theyre basically giant ivf vats that gestate and indoctrinate them till they are ready to train. cloning has been tried in the imperium and they are cursed with horrible luck. no matter how good clones are they all get the lamenter treatment because they have no souls.

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

its probably more a reference to krieg lore, where they recieve names of people considered innocient during the civil war, after they have proven themselves. the guy probably just got 'lucky' and received the name jurten. they can't be clones because clones are unlucky in 40k lore, the warp doesn't like clones. and kriegers are not unlucky.

@conan2096

2 жыл бұрын

​@@matthiuskoenig3378 i think every colonel of krieg is jurten, that way he is their eternal leader. he was confused when asked what his name was, so they most likely treat it as a title.

I love krieg and kind of sad they don't like it very much, but I also really like history.

and since you talked about the book "dead men walking", it´s a flat out better book on kriegers, because you get the point of view of the civis and of world commisars, and you get the contrats betwen the normal people seeing necrons and the kriegers figthing then like it was normal, plus you also get the cold and calculated way that kriegers wage war

25:00 GW just came out with exodite has kreig vs tau pretty fun to see them from tau perspective

As a person who started reading about the world wars in grade school for fun and then grew up to become an archaeologist... yeah I love the Death Korp of Krieg. Your guys' logic stands

Another great episode as always!

Can't wait for the Gazkull Episode! Couldn't wait for for you guys so I listened. Hope you like it!

Ahhh... i love the death korps. Good and entertaining video as all ways :D

I loved the book. I understand why, I personally really jived with learning the details of kreig. Then again I was very close to becoming a history teacher... So I guess I have a reason for liking this one. I also had to re read the first 4 chapters cus I got lost between the transition from kreig to octarious wars.

Have not read krieg but i have read Dead Men Walking. And i honestly realy liked the book. its got great interactions and plotlines

Dead Men Walking scratches that Necron and Krieg itch. Would be an awesome book club book

24:40 i can sense an entire crowd of people currently yelling "The siege of Vraks!" at them right now.

I just finished the book not too long ago. I really liked it. I love the Krieg and how they’re portrayed. I found both the parts with Jurten and the modern Octarius wars fine. I also liked the small subtle details where the humanity side of Krieg comes to light, cause no matter how psycho indoctrinated they are, they’re still humans.

Havent read krieg, did read dead men walking. Their interactions with locals and the pdf were phenomonally written. 10/10 reccomend just for that

Im currently 2/3 of the way through the Fabius bile Trilogy and would love to hear you guys read it :D

Finally I’ve been waiting for this episode since they announced it

What is that beginning intro with all the moving parts its so cool

I think as an introduction it's good, it does very much feel like a war documentary, but for people already deep in the lore there's very little new there and most of it gets brushed over. I'm hoping it's being used as advanced advertising to release some more Krieg models into the current edition.

I love the moment I hop in here there using B-roll Garfield footage as a descriptor for kreigers

There was this one fan animation that had Kriegers and I think it nailed what they are about. Charging chaos sm on horse back with AP explosive lance's, charging trenchs with their own artillery landing around them, sacrificing a whole squad just to get one guy close to a berserker to pop his neck with a krack grenade.

@deerhawk7788

2 жыл бұрын

Sodaz Yeah, they know 5 guardsmen to take out 1 chaos marine is a amazing trade in favor of the guardsmen

i hope you guys do a book review of blackstone fortress, janus drake is one of my favorite characters in 40k

Finally, nice work and have a nice Sunday afternoon everyone

Hey, I know, restart the clock, but I really want to give a book recommend. Do you like imagining your own hypotheticals? Do you like stories of Knights being total chads and their Houses being totally, utterly fucked up? Do you like stories about Malcador being shady? And do you like the background story of Horus and the Emperor? Then maybe read 'Vengeful spirit'. It doesn't spoil any story. It doesn't require any story to be read before, since the setting was already explained in previous videos. It is by far my favorite book. And I want to see DK and Bricky being blown away by the story! Its not our lord and saivor ABD who written it but Graham McNeill is one of the best. PLS SHY notice me senpai!!

Who was the mutant that couldn't remember his name? (Raim/Rahm) Was he someone from the book earlier or just a random character?

This book in some always rewrites some of Krieg Lore in my opinion. I do enjoy the Civil war part of the book a lot and in my opinion the whole book probably should have been that. In the older Krieg Lore the Jesus motif has always been there in a small way. The original idea for the reason the Krieg was so suicidal was because each of their deaths in a small part atone for the Sin of Kriegs rebellion. Making them a small "Jesus" for their planet and people. That idea is also expanded in a short story about a Krieg soldier who gets stuck on a planet after a war. If he kind of realizes that he dies so innocent people don't have too. Dead men walking is probably the better book for Krieg then this one because of the outside view of the Krieg and not on them themselves. Because Krieg soldiers are just brainwashed kids. Which is pretty boring for a long character drive story.

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

i disagree on that last part. all imperials are brainwashed, especially space marines, which lorewise are supposed to be more emotionless than kriegers and there are plenty of compelling stories written from marines perspective.

And yes, its Jurten’s DNA because thats why thats why when the Inquisitor asks the soldier what his name is he said “Jurten?” as if he had trouble remembering

@Prophetofthe8thLegion

2 жыл бұрын

No I think it was more supposed to be symbolic as that Krieger was the colonel/planetary governor of the planet thus he was in effect Jurten

have you guys ever made a video about the servitors and similar imperial things? i feel itss a big part of the imperium but easily overlooked.

i was waiting for this book so much so i preordered a audio book

So I bought when y’all just uploaded the review and have now finished it. Holy shit it’s so good. I loved every part. Especially the parts with colonel jurten. One of my favorite books. Also I’m a die hard Krieg fan

Ghazghkull Thrakka: Prophet of the WAAAGH is a great time. almost finished with it in a day and looking forward to the video on that.

I feel you brickyard. I came home from the Bahamas. Not even 1 week back i had it my mom had it an my sister had it. Just feels like a mild flu.

Is this book available in a physical edition?

I liked the book. It gave a look at before the treachery, after in the current setting and most importantly the emergence from their vaults after the Nukes and how it shaped them. I agree though it should have been some random Regiments nor Cadians in the Octarious war

Read Krieg and have Dead Men Walking but haven't started it yet. I enjoyed this book but it didn't vibe with me as well as some of the other books have. I felt like it probably would of benefited from sticking to one timeline instead of jumping back and forth. I did like that idea you guys had of a book from the perspectives of people defending against a Krieg seige though. Need more books from the "victims" of the imperial crusades perspective

Me and my friend personal theory on the Vat grown kriegsmen is that they took dna samples from the troops that jurgen still had alive and the ones who actually graduated from his military academy to make regular troops and jurgen DNA to make the officers of the death korps of krieg cause the can easily have the officers bat grown troops be grown in a different area from the regular troops. I also thought this was a excellent book like I kinda expected it to be a history book type of deal so I went in thinking in as that so maybe that’s why I enjoyed it.

@xuanquang9815

2 жыл бұрын

cool theory, but clearly Dkok chooses their officers by picking the one who serves the longest and promote them

@alphariusomegon3965

2 жыл бұрын

@@xuanquang9815 my theory can still work though if the have certain one picked to be sent to officer school.

@matthiuskoenig3378

2 жыл бұрын

@@alphariusomegon3965 no your theories directly contradict the lore; 1) the siege of vraks and Orpheus war says they use eugenics and breeding to keep away mutation and breed the best soldiers possible. you wouldn't need this if you just reused DNA from jurten and his orginal men. (which is reinforced in down amongst the deadmen) 2) the lore specifically says they pick officers based on ability not bloodlines, and all kriegers have to start as privates and work their way upthe ranks as veterans. 3) krieg is described as being full of underground hive cities in both novels and the imperial armour books, and deadmen walking (by the same author as this novel) goes on to say these hive cities are full of pregnant women. krieg confirms vitae wombs are artificial wombs, but its not their only method of produceing soldiers

I'm currently going through the books in best order as possible, this is one of my favorites so ty for reviewing it. idk if you'll see this comment but just in case u guys do, plz!!!! with a cherry on top of a guards man's cake plz do a video on the very few but rare wholesome moments in 40k because I found that how few there are makes them all the more precious and reminds everyone that the salamanders aren't the only ones capable of being kind in the age of war

I finished the book in two days and enjoyed it because I'm probably one of the few who are completely biased when it comes to the death korps. That said I think you guys hit home about why I'd felt that it was somewhat lacking and not really that memorable. Dead Men Walking on the other hand, I think is definitely up there with some of the best 40k books out there. The way it gives you hope and then just rips up your heart string is just 👌

When will we get a episode on the angry marines

Not only did the Orcs have the Squigs - they used the Choppers. With them flying out of the hive and nearly crashing.

Just throwing in my two cents, I thought Dead Men Walking ( the book the mention in the episode briefly) is a better showing for the Death Korps

The Octarius war colonel's name was Jurten too. They're all named Jurten, probably. Do they use the number like a forename? Yes they're all clones. They should send notes to whichever magos smoothbrain is running the Afriel project.

@conan2096

2 жыл бұрын

it would mention if they were clones considering some of them are forced to remove their masks and they are not shown to be identical. the colonels name is jurten because colonel jurten will always be their leader. even now, a colonel is in charge of krieg, even though they were forced to take militarum rankings.

I Think the Book Shows How the Kreig Became The Kreig, where Jurten was cold and calculating, His daugter being an acceptable loss. And The Cadian Gaurdsmen being Our sight, more human. But a Major Show of the difference of Local Malitia and Kreig would be “Dead Men Walking”.

Dead men walking is practically the situation where the krieg are the villains that bricky was asking for. They don't act like the good guys. Honestly, I would love to see them do a bookclub on that one as well. As much as I enjoyed this book, Dead me walking waa shi far the better of the two.

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. I felt like a crazy person in the Ad Ric server for my negative review of Krieg. Normally I don't have too terribly much to say about 40k books after I'm done with them besides "that was fun" or "I don't think I'm reading that again." I had a literal list of critiques of the book, to the point that I was genuinely mad with the sheer amount of wasted potential. Did you know the Cadian captain had a squad of five? Did you know only two of them are named?? Did you know they weren't the same person with how little characterization they were given??? The book should've stuck with the past on Krieg, expanding the supporting cast to give us the perspective of the everyman on Krieg and how their lives were affected by adapting to their changing world, and in general give those involved more characterization. Also DK was absolutely right, Van Buren's Interrogator had three Kriegsmen take off their gasmasks. The book then proceeded to blueball the reader by switching to the past on Krieg, and we never see what he saw, which gets him killed.

@npags2911

2 жыл бұрын

With how the tech priest was acting during the book, I kept expecting it to reveal that he would be like "lmao I'm doing this for chaos" and then them actually feeling shame for the actions they took or something. I mean the tech priest straight up lies that Jurten okayed using the wombs and stuff.

It's only implied that jurten had the base but considering how he mistrusted everyone it's likely he would view himself as the best hope

Who was the Character DK said he recognised from something else.

Oh, I hope the book after Gazkul is Assassinorum: Kingmaker, it's really good

If you hadn't just done a Guardsmen book I'd ask if you guys would read Steel Tread, it's like Fury tank crew story but with Guardsmen and they're being hunted by a Chaos Knight

I wish that you guys read Lords of Silence book! It encourage me to start death guard army after reading.

14:00 Me playing War Thunder with a historic documentary paused on the tv while I listen to this. Well he ain’t wrong.

I’m halfway through Krieg book and finished Dead Men Walking quite a while ago. I would agree with the review and say the same, it is a bit dull, but definitely has its good moments (so far). It works really well as a foundation/intro for Krieg, while Dead Men Walking is just a separate story with non-krieg-related (at first) character as a main protagonist. It tells us how normal people of the imperium see the Kriegsmen while also having them in contrast with Necrons which works beautifully in my opinion. Dead Men Walking was a book that convinced me to start Krieg army :) I would totally recommend you guys checking it out some time!

If I could suggest a book, I would go with "Necropolis" from the Gaunt Ghost series. It's one I suggest for now 40k readers as it has many facets of interest.

i feel like its supposed to be a bit of a drag with the battles because thats what it is for the krieg and guards to be in the battle , and thats also why the character deaths don´t mean shit to us since they don´t matter in the big picture.

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Good point. Very good point.

Hope you feel better bricky. If you don’t make it, may I have your necron army???

I’m waiting for more Krieg stuff to be released. I made my KillTeam themed as Helgast colors

I absolutely recommend Dead Men Walking. You’d absolutely enjoy it more.

Glad we got a book about the Little Guys from Krieg

I liked the book overall quite a bit, the present timeline stuff did get a little blah at times though. Favorite scene was the Krieg charging on horses against the Ork bikers as the Cadians watched.

Get well soon Bricky!!

Down amongst the dead men is also a krieg novel by Steve lyons

Didn't hate the flash forward parts of the story with the orks, but I agree it did drag a bit

Personally I did enjoy this book, but I am also a ww1 fanatic who loves historical documents. I get why it wasn't your guys thing though. Steve Lyons other Krieg book "Dead Men Walking" would be more up your alley I think. You have local PDF reacting to Kriegers while also fighting necrons.

it was tragic how the tech priest knew how this was going to go, and was basically leading jurten the whole way without him knowing...and then at the very end it leaves it entirely up to you if you believe jurten gave him the okay to use the vita wombs with his dying breaths, or if he lied and did it without his consent. it was great revealing that the true traitor behind the throne actually was a secret chaos worshipper, not just greedy a bureaucrat.

I hope the mention the SQUIGS

Dead Men Walking was a better story while still keeping the feel of the Krieg. Super depressing. Good read.

I'm glad i wasn't the only one that was iffy on this book. i don't think its a bad book but its probably my least favorite out of the 9 warhammer books i read this far. However i do wish to point out that the narrator of the book on Audible; Timothy Watson, did a very good job especially doing the Krieg parts , because even though almost all of the characters in that part had German Accents i never got confused who was who, because Watson was able to give different affectations on top of the German accents to really differentiate each of the characters to really make them distinct voices. Massive credit to him

There were a few things that I would probably disagree with you based on what I understood but the part where you were saying that they revealed their face it was not The Inquisitor it was the interrogator he was training to become his replacement and it was three soldiers when they removed their masks and just described them as fit men because The Inquisitor was actually pretty understanding of the Krieg it was his Apprentice the interrogator that was very standoffish to them. (But I will say the story is a little slow but it made me think of the Starship Trooper book and I enjoyed that book so I enjoy this one too)

Generally, every book that jumps from one time or one place to another I never liked. It was one of the reasons I could not get in Preatorian of Dorn and finish the book.

Hey Bricky, have you ever heard about the Jin roh Wolf Brigade movie? Scifi animated movie where a member of a japanese secret police unit gets caught up in politics between government agencies. The power suits look a lot like the Helgast do.

i have read the previous steve lyons death korps of krieg books he is very good at writing them

Also it was the inquisitors apprentice that asked the krieg to remove Thier helmets

In the kill team 2.0 starter sets is Krieg vs Orks; could of been a mandate

You know it's great to see the cadians reacting to the insanity of the krieg. Cadians are themselves often considered in insanely brave, willing to charge chaos demons without hesitation

I think the biggest problem of the book is the characters didnt really feel real, they didnt feel like people, they feel like depictions of people in a textbook. This was especiallly noticeable when you read/listen to this after reading a book that had good realistic emotional characters like The Twice Dead King Books.