As someone who is broke: Seeing all of those perfectly good albums in the trash pains me

@himansiamarasinghe

Жыл бұрын

same here

@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj

Жыл бұрын

Exactly and it is so wasteful!

@akabaneaki

Жыл бұрын

agree. though i swear, if u ask for one online, there would be plenty willing to give u the albums itself for free. Only thing is that it wouldnt come with the cards aka the thing that hold the most worth in a album.

@sofiahaque7990

Жыл бұрын

SAMEEEEE

@dollynareti7298

Жыл бұрын

Same I want Album's but can't buy it.. I am just thinking how they can throw all those albums after buying it like they just buy it to collect photocards,if they are buying it they should keep it they are even wasting their own money They don't even seen like real fan I mean bcs they throw all those albums people think all the sales were rigged.

Hear me out: the Kpop store that I buy from lets people donate albums with missing inclusions and puts them in a free bin so other Kpop fans that like the album for things other than the photo cards can enjoy them. Every time I’ve been in the store, there are fans who are overjoyed to see free items/albums from their favorite group. I think more stores should do this so at least someone can have the albums instead of everything going to the trash.

@alexishua_orv

Жыл бұрын

Omg this would a life saver for me

@K-Fuse

Жыл бұрын

I remember seeing this in LA, I got so many albums that day, I'm still so grateful as I love hanging them in my room

@jessicanichols153

Жыл бұрын

This would be amazing for me I don't get the albums for the inclusions I get them because I like looking in the photo book and displaying the album on my kpop shelf. I can usually only afford to buy 1 album/version per comeback so if I could get the other versions for free I would cry of happiness.

@syafiqaszamin6411

Жыл бұрын

but if there's too many I doubt the store have enough space to keep them that would cost them inventory spaces

@MrTobi013

Жыл бұрын

It's disheartening, but that's not a bad idea.

i think it's VERY disrespectful for the artist who worked hard day and night to make the album to end up seeing them left in a cafe from their so called ''fans'' (especially Woozi who is the producer,we all know how much work he put in making them)

@riddlerosehearts8277

Жыл бұрын

True but the company is to blame for making so many albums and photocards

@AnHuynh01101

Жыл бұрын

@@riddlerosehearts8277the person who spent the money to get a photograph is insane. I don’t get it. Spending a ton of hard working money just for a piece of paper. They should sent that money for charity instead of making the companies richer.

@alexishua_orv

Жыл бұрын

@@AnHuynh01101 its just a hobby for some people, its like collecting Pokémon cards or baseball cards. I don’t think that people who collect the photocards are insane, if they want to support their artists and companies they can do so in moderation, but bulk the bulk buying is a bit of an overkill ngl. I myself bought 8 copies of the carat version but i Keep them in my house for show 💃

@maursi7275

Жыл бұрын

FRRR

@jungwonbaby

Жыл бұрын

@@alexishua_orva stupid wasteful hobby that’s affecting the environment. only someone with immature mentality does stuff like this.

Hearing this about Seventeen breaks my heart. I've been a fan for about 7 years now and watching their growth has been slow, but very rewarding to see as a fan. I remember when having 200,000 - 300,000 album sales was a massive improvement for them. I'd hate for people to think their records/achievements are fraudulent because they've worked so hard the past few years and it finally seems that they're getting the recognition they deserve. Personally, I think having more than three versions of an album is too many. I buy one version of each album. I'm Canadian, so I'm happy to get just one. I only buy physical copies of albums I genuinely love. It hurts to see all of those albums in the trash. I can't help but think about fans all over the world who aren't even able to get the album in the first place.

@faithcatapan3337

Жыл бұрын

i feel you... this happened with NCT before ( 1 cartoon of album thrown n street)... but now looking at SVT case,... the amount is freaking big... as a former Carat...it also breaks my heart

@ayushipathak7097

Жыл бұрын

Like it's not the first time but still we knowits the people who are using it to sell for business

@98aishya

Жыл бұрын

People forget that albums r sold cheap in Korea than internationally and there r shops which buys albums only to resell pcs of each grp

@abcdefghi__lmnopqrstuvwxyz__

Жыл бұрын

their stans DGAF about the album itself and music they're just buying it for photocards LMAO

@ECN300

Жыл бұрын

@@abcdefghi__lmnopqrstuvwxyz__ honey most of the fans do not care about the photocards. SVT has outright said that if the fans want photocards they can just download pics and get it printed. Only the collectors who have ridiculous amount of money do that. Idk if you know this but the practice of mass buying and re-selling the albums and the merches separately is prevalent in SK, especially if the groups are popular. This has happened with BTS too in the past, just fyi

It’s infuriating! In my local target most albums are open and ripped apart just for the damn photo card! People are just so disrespectful and shameless. Albums are meant to be collected. Not thrown away like trash. And why buy them in bulk?! It’s so distasteful and wasteful.

@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj

Жыл бұрын

I agree and only get 1-2 at most but no more. It becomes very wasteful.

@BELIEVER78989

Жыл бұрын

Some fans are just immature fr

@makesmewannadie647

Жыл бұрын

No way those are adults in their 20s tho...i hope those are Teenagers (which doesnt make it okay) but i wouldbehella emberassed as an adult fan myself

@Courroxxi879

Жыл бұрын

That has been happening to at my local target too. I'd remembered in December of last year, I saw a NCT album fully unwrapped and the photo card was gone. Then, recently at the same target. I saw a person with a bts photo card. I was coming around the corner and I saw the person running to the music selection. I was in the book selection. Then, I heard the person unwrapping the bts proof album because the person wanted to change the photocard. I walked out the book selection and I came into the music selection. The person was gone the next minute. The BTS Proof album was fully open and the wrapping paper was next to the album. I found the person's photocard in front of the album.

@Doughnuttrash

Жыл бұрын

Wtf, I’ve seen photos of somebody who did that before. I was disgusted. That’s disrespectful to the artists themselves and every who made it. And it’s shameful.

And here I am looking at my albums in awe and afraid to get them dirty/damaged. Yes I did get FML, ordered online since Target was sold out

@cherylmarler1059

Жыл бұрын

OOhh, I forgot to check Target for that album and it's right across the street. But once they are gone, they're gone

@hangygirl8217

Жыл бұрын

@@djvillan do you have a separate room for them? lol

I remember joining a weverse of a group and they had a comeback. I expected to see the community gush about it and celebrate but it was sooo vile. So many posts saying “why hasn’t (group) already hit this number when (other group) did? Clearly no one is trying hard enough” and “how can you call yourself a fan when we’re not already at this number??” It reminded me of my former step dad who would grill me about my grades and art, the language was downright abusive. I understand the desire to help your group succeed but I honestly did not get into Kpop for a rat race. I just want to enjoy good music from good artists and maybe buy an album if I really want to. I actually want music show wins to stop being a thing and everyone just performed for the sake of promoting and entertaining. Making everything into a reward system or numbers game is just manifesting these hyper competitive and aggressive attitudes.

@itspribanerjee

Жыл бұрын

Same! I have seen this too. I so fee youuu! I am here for the group cuz I like them and their music... But like I cant stream and all, and usually if I do like a song I do listen to it on repeat but only if I like even tho thats not consider streaming. So we can see be a fan irrespective of that I feel. And honestly I hadnt gotten into groups deeply for this, and even when I did, I did make to so do it my way... like sorry I cant :(

@17_floors_high

Жыл бұрын

Yep, I remember seeing the same exact thing during SVT’s HOT era (when I became a fan of them). I only joined weverse to get priority tickets to their concert so I didn’t care about what people were posting on the app. But man, one day I took a look at the posts and it’s just a bunch of fans guilt-tripping each other about the numbers on the MV. Of course not all fans are like this, but I was just turned off by the sour/toxic attitudes..

@raisaakpopies

Жыл бұрын

@@17_floors_high atm i type this they still did that 😔 they get mad to whoever fans that posting small talk and ask them to post their streaming proof instead.... i love seventeen but rrally carat is so ambitious with the whole comeback especially this one, they ask you to streaming 24/7 even if you are in work or school sigh

@Bibble_.__.._958

Жыл бұрын

Exactly it's literally one big competition. I know that's part of the society in South Korea but that doesn't mean we as fans also have to adjust to that. These idols are here for us so we can enjoy them. If anything we should comfort them and let them know they are good as who they are, and not only if they have high numbers in whatever.

@Bibble_.__.._958

Жыл бұрын

Especially on Twitter the only thing fans can do is preach about how their group is the number 1 in something. And if they aren't the fans will keep crying about it. Like imagine how the idols would feel when reading that the fans are sad because they didn't get high views or something. Like just appreciatie the music and be positive for once.

I can't believe fans didn't think this would damage Seventeen. They totally ruined their milestone. They ruined this for them forever.

@michieeSvt

Жыл бұрын

True fans never do that

@miajones2731

Жыл бұрын

@@michieeSvt there are obsessive fans who want to see them on their fansign events so they mass buy to get a raffle ticket. Which is absurd. Seventeen dont deserve the hate. This channel only created hate tbh, their title is also sus.

@jai-bc3vk

Жыл бұрын

They could be resellers who plan to sell the photocards 😢 they saw resellers hoard trading cards at svt cafe too

@ayushipathak7097

Жыл бұрын

First thing they are not FANS CAUSE NOW IT THE ONLINE PROFIT MAKERS

@nnn9854

Жыл бұрын

how did it ruin them? when bts and nct fans do the same

Exactly and people are mad and crying at billboard for changing there rules to accommodate this and can you imagine being an idol and working hard day and night on an album only to see it end up in the trash the photo card is worth more to the fans than the hard work and music

@sexy_u

Жыл бұрын

YES! THIS

@sexy_u

Жыл бұрын

But I do get the other side, because kpop doesn't get radio play scores, so album is the only thing going for kpop songs to compete other than actual listens

@cranburrey

Жыл бұрын

THANK YOU! LITERALLY, THANK YOU!!

@raisaakpopies

Жыл бұрын

yes! kpop system are rigged tbh😔

@annanamoose9943

Жыл бұрын

@@raisaakpopies all the music systems seem to be rigged. How is radio such a big score when no one really listens to radio, and if you do the same songs cycle every 20 minutes? Mainly talking about here in the US.

Before people hate on SVT….I hope you know this happens to EVERY group in EVERY comeback. So think twice before you put out any hate comments.

@Rqiskinq

Жыл бұрын

Yep exo fans too

@RubyLaura-rr2dz

Ай бұрын

That doesn't happen to BTS

It`s not just Seventeen. A japanese youtuber bought 200 La serafim albums. He had also bought 100 copies of Le serafrm`s other album before. Le serafim fans were happy that the number of sales on the first day exceeded Blackpink.

Seventeen is one of the few groups who is still making quality music and they are honestly not credited enough for it. This is one of their bigger achievements and to see it get discredited is just heart breaking. It’s not fair to their years of genuine and honest effort to produce art that is actually worth showcasing. Unlike most mainstream artists, they are putting out good music with great meaning and putting on phenomenal shows which shows their unsurmountable talents. So whatever is the general reaction, somethings will remain unchanged. Seventeen will remain one of the superior music group despite all the travesty and hate.

@tonedeaf8688

Жыл бұрын

@@asyra2570 This expression is kinda cap but it’s adorable that you try, I swear.

@ississ2263

Жыл бұрын

« Good music with great meaning » instantly thought of BTS

@tonedeaf8688

Жыл бұрын

@@ississ2263 is it because that’s how far you can think?

@ississ2263

Жыл бұрын

@@tonedeaf8688 « Tone Deaf » You chose the perfect name for the perfect group 😂

@tonedeaf8688

Жыл бұрын

@@ississ2263 is it natural to you, being insensitive and provocative on the internet without any solid basis to make an argument?

You only should blame the one who throw away. The idols have never told fans to buy many. Especially Seventeen, The8 even say that don't be too obsessed with PC. He said when you don't get your biase's PC just print it. I also buy every album but only one version. I buy it because when I get older, it will be my memories, my youth and I will always remember the feeling when I see those.

@cindongable

Жыл бұрын

Yes.. and this is why i stan Seventeen, they didnt force us to buy their stuff. Only want us to enjoy and appreciate their music. Support as much as we can but never forget our personal life as well. Tbh they dont have that much merchandise compare to other idols. They only have one bbongbbongie, not many animal stuffed characters for each members or collab merch. Imo SVT is the most considerately idols i have ever stan.

@sheabdulmalik5425

Жыл бұрын

Same🥹

@michellecollado3496

11 ай бұрын

But carats buy many then trash it, so dont blame other blame your own fandom... Cause other fandom doing it to but they dont trash it...

@cindongable

11 ай бұрын

@@michellecollado3496 Many other fandom did it too, it just dnt get highlighted as much as carats. You can try to Google it. That's how it always been with album sales.. Sad, but true..

I am actually so disgusted by this "100000 different pcs/album versions"-strategy of this industry. Never seen such a brazen money grab/sales push.

@cranburrey

Жыл бұрын

Literally a whole gambling addiction. Buy an album for a specific photo card, gets dupes and not the one you want, buy another, rinse and repeat until you get the one you want….

@n_za6680

Жыл бұрын

​@@cranburrey This! I've been actually there and it's crazy what an amount of money you are willing to spend when you are in a rush of euphoria over a piece of cardboard. It's not adequate at all.

@kat5144

Жыл бұрын

it’s why kpop will not see longevity or continued interest compared to other rising areas in music like afrobeats, the focus is just way off mark & only about pumping up numbers to break other records & make as much money in a small time, like the whole flurry of mini albums is embarrassing. like i hear 10th/12th mini album for so many groups I’m like wtf ??? just make a full length album already but no they just wanna sell & sell

@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj

Жыл бұрын

@@cranburrey Exactly which is why I stopped buying most albums. It is an addiction that is very wasteful. If I did buy an album, I just get one or 2 at most. It is not just the music albums but the DVDs and blu rays too which is why I only get one now or 2 but that is it.

@hombre6604

Жыл бұрын

i mean this is not only applied on kpop? even manga/anime industries do this soo

I want to remind people that Seventeen has 13 members. So no they do not have 18 different versions of an album. Just like every other kpop group they have 3 versions of the regular album, a kihno album and a carat version album which is similar to other groups’ digipack albums which is usually a special version of the album that features each member. Also for this carat version, instead of including a photobook it instead includes special pcs of the specific member which amounts to about 26(?) cards for each carat version. So saying Seventeen has 18 albums and 900 pcs is such a loose unfair statement without explaining in details. It sounds a lot but Seventeen has double the members most groups have which accounts for the amount of albums and pcs. Ofcourse there is a problem with mass buying but definitely not for the majority of fans especially not to the extent of discrediting both Seventeen and carat’s hard work. Seventeen has had comebacks with more album versions but never had sales like this? Why ? Because their success has steadily grown over the years and their sales are genuine! This video feels like it had an agenda and it’s just using Seventeen’s recent success as a talking point without doing proper research or just blatantly ignoring the facts. Very distasteful

@miajones2731

Жыл бұрын

True. If you watch other videos on this channel, some just caused too much hate. But what do we expect? They are like the kpop companies they mention, they also love money. LOL. More views more money

@asparagusgus

Жыл бұрын

Underrated true comment.. Really this channel is so toxic.. They are indirectly saying that svt broke the record of album sales because it had too many photocards. It really made me so angry . Like their songs are nothing? They have consistently given good quality music since debut. These people just don't wanna accept the fact that svt surpassed their favs.

@ayushipathak7097

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY THEY DON'T EXCEPT THAT THEY ARE THIRTEEN and like how fast they spread the false version allegations As much seventeen loves carats they even post the photos unreleased ones on social media Like HOSHI said but what u can afford no need to buy if u can't No one can Dare to say that ..

@asparagusgus

Жыл бұрын

@@ayushipathak7097 true It is not the first time in kpop that this thing have happened. Almost all fandoms have done this before. But they highlighted this issue only in seventeen's case. Leave it.... They are never gonna accept the fact that seventeen surpassed their favs. And they will continue to bring nonsense issues like this to cover the fact.

@MINSHUA17

Жыл бұрын

Regardless of everything, it’s not like mass buying is a power exclusive to Carats. I’m not encouraging other fandoms to do it because it is wasteful, but also no one is stopping them. If I hypothetically speaking choose to buy 100 albums and toss them out they are still legitimate sales because for whatever reason I chose to buy their album and no one else’s. I feel like they are just trying to discredit their achievement by any means those albums were paid for, therefore they were sold that’s all that should matter.

It's cause physical media is a dying form of consuming entertainment. Yes, their has been a vinyl revival but CD sales mean nothing these days compared to the 80s and 90s. Artists barely get scraps from streaming services as well. That's why groups have to rely on touring and merchandise sales, which kpop does extremely well at. At the same time, touring costs a lot these days, especially in Europe.

@brandoncrenshaw5027

Жыл бұрын

Exactly if the artist doesn't write the music and own their publishing when it comes to the album sales you hardly get nothing the artist make more money on tour and merchandise and Commercial deals and of course being in ambassadors of big brands that's where the real money is for the artist. It's like they say the artist is making some money but the label is making way more then we think

@lovelydiva06

Жыл бұрын

Well maybe they should consider going the vinyl route

@Duma2011

Жыл бұрын

@@brandoncrenshaw5027 that's why some artists are encouraged to put out music through their own label and just set up a distribution deal.

@brandoncrenshaw5027

Жыл бұрын

@@Duma2011 yes exactly I remember watching Snoop Dogg talking about it the labels making way more money than the artist when it comes to albums because the artist is the last one to get paid from the album but like I said the big money comes from tours and Merchandising

So sad 17 and woozi worked super hard for this album and comeback. Supposed to be fans or carats. Just to throw them away because they say it doesn’t have enough photo Cards is just heartbreaking and ridiculous. Such a shame . I can only image woozi and the members despair when they hear or heard about it. The album is amazing all of the songs are very great . I love all of the songs. But it seems that these people were more obsessed with collecting photo cards. And the anti carats are haters

FML did not have almost 900 photocards lmao, someone on twt literally edited that and every seventeen anti just ran with it

@shaneyrosita8064

Жыл бұрын

That's not edited, it's real.

@jeonghands

Жыл бұрын

@@shaneyrosita8064 it’s not, there’s 3 versions of the album (13 x 3) meaning that’s 39, then there is carat ver which I’m sure there is 2 pcs per member (13 x 2) meaning 26, 26 + 39 = 65 ☠️ for there to be almost 900 pcs they would have to have around 20 versions of the album, there’s only 4 versions 🤦‍♀️

@jeonghands

Жыл бұрын

@@shaneyrosita8064 actually I’m wrong, there is 14 in total per member, working out at 3/13 chance of pulling the member in each album ( /4) which is reasonable for a 13 member group, this would mean 14 x 13 = 182. This is their most pcs per album yet, but even still, this is nowhere near 900? You guys want seventeen to be in the wrong here so bad yet ur the same ones complaining about getting no more than 2 pcs per album, pick a side 😂

@henrytenden

Жыл бұрын

​@@jeonghands You are wrong!! The number of album versions has NOTHING TO DO with the number of photo cards since the same album version consists of different random photo cards!! Your math is only correct IF the same album version has the same exact photo cards. BUT ITS NOT!!

@jeonghands

Жыл бұрын

@@henrytenden ???? Each member has 14 photocards in total of all album versions 🤦‍♀️ did you actually read my reply or what😂😂😂😂

Kinda annoying that some people here hate on Seventeen when all they say everytime is not to buy everything their company sells. Also, Minghao told this on WeVerse (or Weibo idk) that they can just print the photocards. Minghao statement: kzread.infoG_ZSdWFwfN0?feature=share This happened for the first time for Seventeen since transferring to HYBE, and the physical albums they put out for SVT is an OVERKILL. They don't deserve the hate because they worked too freaking hard for the longest time. It's just that there are carats who are so irresponsible. Now they're putting SVT down with their carelessness.

@raisaakpopies

Жыл бұрын

almost every idol said thise words to the fans, the company should do limited fansign and fancall because those are one of main reasons people do mass buying

@miajones2731

Жыл бұрын

@@raisaakpopies i agree. Also, there are lots of mass buyers who are "school kids" so probably they couldnt bring the album with them at home. BUT STILL, those carats are bringing SVT down. Seventeen dont deserve this.

@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj

Жыл бұрын

But printing the photo cards will mean they are not official anymore.

@zzzonline

Жыл бұрын

@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj who cares? like to me it seems that people who buy albums and stuff only for phtocards only care about the artist's visuals. Like kpop is firstly music so why do you care about looks and stuff and not about their music?? that's so weird.

you’ll never scam me into buying more then one album that shit is insane

@ReVeEntertainmentStudio

Жыл бұрын

no fr

Ok what those fans have done is really bad. But saying that seventeen records are scam is really disrespectful to seventeen. I mean they are not successful just on their album sales ,they have worked hard for years. And not all fans buy albums for photocards or for fansign events, many carats buy the albums for seventeen because their songs are bop. And this case is not something happening for the first time. It's just that this channel interpret everything in a wrong way and deliberately try to attack some groups. He/she just make any topic offensive and insulting to the group.. I saw a video of another k tuber which really showed how gross this channel is. Like he/she made at least 5-6 videos on moonbin until now At this point I am thinking that the creator is making a big fuss out of this issue because he/she just don't want to accept seventeen's success or for views....

@kazuhassideprofileswifey2179

Жыл бұрын

Agreed they worked themselves extremely hard to be where they are, but if u are to be one buying an album atleast treasure it, not toss it away for picture's only, a lot of time and energy went into those albums and song's just to be thrown out, what kind of fans do this, I mean their should be a limit to the persons card limit, like not aloud to buy multiple even at different store's, not just seventeen but anyonr

@asparagusgus

Жыл бұрын

@@kazuhassideprofileswifey2179 yes, exactly my point. *not just seventeen, but anyone*

i feel bad for the artist. imagine them seeing their hard work, passion and dedication piles up in the trash

As a carat for almost 7 years, it is really heart breaking to see albums in trash. For almost 7 years of being a fan, I only got 1 album in my collection and it is unsealed. It is so hard to get albums even it is unsealed because we prioritize our needs, if we were to get unsealed albums to our collection it really make us happy. Instead of throwing it away, you can also sell it.

whenever the topic of kpop album bulk buying comes up, i remember of some korean forum screenshot about how fans use to donate their unneeded kpop albums to orphanages and low income schools and how they benefited nothing to the children, being forced to see these beautiful idols in these albums while they experience hardships in their own lives.

@MarkLee-cw1gq

Жыл бұрын

I have heard something like that, which group is that??? I need to know the whole thing

This is some thing that I personally never understood when it came to try and get the sales up for your favorite groups. As someone who grew up with a grandparent and an aunt who likes collecting vinyls, and then I ended up liking to collect vinyls, and then that turned from minus the K-pop albums and limited-edition vinyls that some groups come out with it. Kind of irritating pisses me off how often people will bulk by albums, knowing that they don’t actually want the album. Not only that, but then they just waste them like at least do something with them even if it’s just genuinely finding people that you know what the album but couldn’t buy it and giving it to them for free. I don’t think I’ve ever book bought Albums but I’ve definitely gotten like several copies of the same album because K-pop albums are the go to for lots of my family members and friends when it comes to buying me presents or gifts and if I don’t give the albums that I get actual way because I don’t need them and I don’t collect the photo cards I just like collecting the actual physical albums. Then if I can’t find anyone to give them till then I actually use the album for things there are several albums that I have where I’ve basically taken the Pictures out of it completely really worked the cover because they were luckily hardcover albums, and I was either able to use them as mini binders by adding jump rings to them or if they were basically a box use them as a little storage box for other memorabilia or arts and craft things. I’ve also taking the photos out of those albums, and I’ve made collages with them. I’ve turned them into mini posters some would’ve given to other family members and friends that I know like K-pop groups but don’t necessarily like having a Albums. I have a lamination machine so sometimes I’ll just make a collage laminated and then hanging up in my room because it’s small and it’s cute and I can put it in a picture frame or I can put it on my wall and it’s not as overbearing us having one of those giant ass posters hanging up somewhere. Like if you are going to buy that many albums, even though you shouldn’t irregardless of you trying to help break records for your favorite Elise do things with them. He’s a good creative and start making crafts and things that you’re going to use or maybe other people are using or give them away don’t just like buy them to help them break record and then just throw them in the street or donate some to places that clearly aren’t there to have a Albums still need it it’s the weirdest thing ever. Also, if you collect photo cards, then you don’t have to buy a bunch of albums by like one album or maybe two and then go online. There’s so many websites from Instagram to Etsy to like straight up websites that you nothing but trade and sell photo cards and then buy or trade for the photo cards that you actually want. It’s the same if you’re like a freaking Pokémon car trader you don’t always go out and buy like 1500 billion decks because you know for a fact that there’s always going to be repeats that you don’t need you by a couple of them and then you go ahead and you trade or sell for the ones that you want. Like the car trading has been around forever from baseball cards to Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokémon and that’s not even counting the 7 million other card games that have existed throughout time including magic like there’s ways to collect photo cards without having to sit there and buy 50 million albums. And it’s even easier to do it nowadays it was back in like the early 2000s late 90s because we have the Internet and you can ask people a lot quicker.

since some of yall you haven't passed 5th grade math: 4.5 million minus perhaps a couple 100 or even thousand albums thrown away by scalpers would at most decrease the number to 4.4 or 4.3 million. it does not mean 'NOTHING' as you mentioned in the title. hope this helps.

So we're all just gonna forget about the moonbin video and let it slide under the rug? at least make a statement saying you're sorry

@Whosthathufflepuff

Жыл бұрын

Not only that but they’re getting rid of comments that mention the situation at all. I don’t think they’re interested in taking accountability

@miajones2731

Жыл бұрын

This channel has been known to do sus things. And now they're trying to pull SVT down for profits. They're the same as these money hungry kpop companies.

these problems of buying for photo cards, buying for a spot in a fan sign/video call, etc have been spoken about prior by some fans and been talked about before. but it’s saddening that it’s becoming a bigger topic tied to seventeen’s name :(

@EverRoxas

Жыл бұрын

It's tied to pretty much every group's name... All groups have this problem...

I was at a small chain store called Half Priced Books and they had a large section of used kpop albums, all with no photocards. They were selling for $2-5 each. The biggest sections were for Seventeen and Treasure.

@bhavyasingh731

Жыл бұрын

Where is this store pls tell me😭 Being a teume and a carat I'd love to buy those even without photocards

@dekhamj

Жыл бұрын

I wish I had access to that store cause it hurts to hear this when I am both a teume and carat

@casualsuede

Жыл бұрын

@@bhavyasingh731 sadly, if you don't live in Kansas City, you probably won't have access. They also had other groups like Itzy, Mamamoo, Stray Kids and The Boyz.

@conniereiser6670

Жыл бұрын

@@casualsuede I live in Kansas City! I'm going to have to check it out!!!!

It is an amazing achievement for Seventeen and will mean a lot to them, in the digital age it is still important to sell physical copies of albums which are always collected and cherished by all the true fans ❤️

@Duma2011

Жыл бұрын

Kpop is just about the only genre in which physical media still plays an important part. I listen to heavy metal as well and bands literally have to rely on touring and merchandising to make any sort of profit. Some are lucky to break even.

@thefamiIyguyshow

Жыл бұрын

Collected? Have you watched the video? They literally throw it everywhere

@lovelydiva06

Жыл бұрын

It’s not achievement if fans are going about in a shady way that will reflect badly in them

@brandoncrenshaw5027

Жыл бұрын

Of course physical copies is really something but still you're in a digital age you need to have your digital numbers up to

@xo.frommars

Жыл бұрын

True fans?

This may be even valid, idk I didn’t watch the video, but why are people talking about this now? When seventeen did it, and not when other artists did… like we had bts sell millions of albums and no one said a word… Let Seventeen enjoy their well earned success!!! (Might delete this later when you all come to kill me, I’m just feel like this now so..)

@raisaakpopies

Жыл бұрын

but bts don't have fansign/fancall for almost 4 years (its one of main reason people do mass buying, to meet their favs) and obv their fans don't throw their album rather they give it away in concert... and bts only has 4ver with mots7 when we have 14 ver. Lets be objective, here in US bts demand is high, and after mots7 with 4 ver they only release butter with 2ver BE and Proof with 1 ver yet still has more then 3M sales. as bitter as it is some carat did buy in bulk for the sake surprass bts record since bts already taking a break as a group and because next year scoup probably already do his military servis so yeah. tbh aside for svt i saw some fans dumping skz and nct album after taking the pc. what i meant is it's never the artist/idols fault, it's always the company greed and stupid fans do riding it the whole system should change. and pledis/hybe should stop make svt do 6days fansign and fancall when svt has comeback twice this year. and what we would do to catch up those 4M sales? i don't even dare to imagine

@nehalilisays

Жыл бұрын

People always question if someone "deserves" their success. But I don't think anybody is hating on the 17 members here - the amount of different album versions & the way that buying more albums leads to better chances at winning a fansign ticket just sounds like corporate greed to me.

@KJ-ec8ru

Жыл бұрын

Preach. This shit happens all the time. To every group. In every comeback. But Seventeen’s is the one they’ll start paying attention to? Nice lol.

@flaggov6949

Жыл бұрын

This isn't the first time it's been brought up. It has been brought up before with BTS and related to kpop in general. And though this video mentioned changes to the way Billboard calculates sales, it failed to mention that change happened in January, long before 17's release.

@ayushipathak7097

Жыл бұрын

@@raisaakpopies for your information carats never try to surpass someone else's records OKAY And we would be even happier if just surpass BSS records which we did I was so happy the only boy group to get a grandslam and highest 24 h stream on melon (svt and bss) If u check we have broke all our records which is enough And lastly RECORDS ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN.

It hurts to see this.... seventeen has now achieved what they deserve but this is heartbreaking to see the albums for which they worked so hard just thrown on the streets..

I remember when I studied abroad in korea and one day found like 30 kpop albums just sitting in our dorm’s trash…wasteful af

incase anyone in this comment section tried to say that this only happens to seventeen, no. this problem happens to almost all of big groups selling million. literally.

And please this isn’t just a seventeen album problem but a problem of the kpop genre as a whole.

At this point people can open second hand album shops. So that people can buy the cd and photoalbum. Because I buy that shit for the albums, maybe someone would do that too Also, remember SF9 Hwiyoungs wise words "Dont buy albums, say no to capitalism"

I remember getting an ALIVE album from bigbang when they came out with their ALIVE tour, i remember i cried when my dad managed to buy one for me (ive always been a bigbang fan for over 10+ years) and because i don't live in Asia anymore it was difficult to see kpop artists at that time especially big groups like BB. So to see Korean fans treat the albums so recklessly is heartbreaking, now i wonder if their actual fans or just obsessed with the looks and aesthetic of the idols

I do not collect photocards, but I buy multiple albums, keep one, and gift the rest one at a time (fully sealed) to HBCU university students who bring me a piece of work they created through their studies. Students have shown me research papers, inventions, computer code, art pieces, and even a dance. My motivation for buying albums isn’t about numbers, but to thank the groups I get hours of free entertainment from over the year. I’ve got a little bit of extra income to buy them and share with students most of whom can’t afford to buy just one. Lastly I do it because it was very hard for me at a predominantly Black school to be a Kpop fan in the 2000s, and I want them to proudly rep their group in their dorms. I just love seeing the excitement and pure joy on their faces when they open their album for the first time. I’m totally living through them sorry not sorry. Kpop Auntie!

@HotSaucenRacha

Жыл бұрын

@asyra you should probably watch people’s videos before commenting. I’ve given 8 albums so far.

@spooky4069

Жыл бұрын

May God bless you 🙏🏽💗

@spooky4069

Жыл бұрын

This is more telling of your own character- you're so incapable of doing good deeds that you can't even FATHOM others doing them. Shameful.

How does album sales mean nothing at all when some people still keep the photo card and album?

@strawbinnys

Жыл бұрын

yes they get sales but after the albums inclusions have been taken fans try to sell the album but most people don’t want just the album so it’s like a waste of money

@DarkDragonSlayer

Жыл бұрын

@@strawbinnys however, it's not an actual waste of money since those albums can be sold for millions and millions of dollars.

@brandoncrenshaw5027

Жыл бұрын

​@@strawbinnysthat's so true I mean did you see all those albums they had in the trash and I remember they even tried to give albums away for charity even though they took all the photocards that is a waste of money

@user-a2thed469

Жыл бұрын

It means nothing because it's not organic..it is bought the way it's not supposed to..

@DarkDragonSlayer

Жыл бұрын

@@lovelydiva06 it's really up to the buyer. If the buyer wants to sell the album in 5 or 10 years from now, let them.

Damn... So when they're favourite group got oversold then suddenly its not valid anymore... What a joke... 😂

@ayushipathak7097

Жыл бұрын

😂

I’m so glad watching them for free on KZread is enough for me lol

The fact that the album in trash was a thing way before seventeen, this video seems very targeted ... and if you were really investigating this , FML does not have 900 pc, there is 182 PC in total (less than a lot of their previous album), the rest is POB so... yeah stop disinformation please ...

@cherryhwanwoong

Жыл бұрын

fr, I feel like this person is atp just setting peoe up towards Carat and Seventeen. I mean I've seen video's of people finding bags with BTS albums or SKZ albums but then nobody bats an eye

This is so disgusting. I understand that getting the photo card the you wanted is exiting but I can only feel sad. I only think about woozi, the time and effort he puts on this albums only for him looking at his hard work thrown into the trash. Even more heart breaking is that these so called fans buy the albums for everything except for the music itself. 💔😞

Kpop has changed so much is such little time. I kinda miss the old days. Now everything is so stressful

I am a 10 year old Carat. Unfortunately, I don't have the money and resources (I live in Romania) to buy an album, but others who have and throw them away is rightfully unfair. I am destroyed.

@curiouskitty2923

Жыл бұрын

You can buy K-pop albums on-line. Of course, if don't have money, that's a problem.

So, it's all of a sudden a problem when it's Seventeen??? 🤔

It's still a huge achievement, and in this case, the fact that seventeen currently has the biggest sale of albums is a big deal and amazing. Fans who buy bulk,just to throw them later,is not ok, and whoever said 17 is a scam should not take a dig at them but hybe or pledis.....bse these affect artists like you explained....

Them forgetting that they wasting they own money

It's because of fansigns in Korea, you need hundreds of albums to get into a popular sign and in-person fansigns are back after 3 years of being gone. All boy groups in Korea have this problem. They just take the cards out so they can get back a little of their money. I can post photos of NCT, BTS, Stray Kids, Wanna one, etc albums in the trash too because this has been going on for over a decade. A girl bought 500 EXO albums back in the day and didn't get into the fansign. People only pretend to be outraged now because Seventeen broke a record. This literally happens every time a major boy group (and even some girl groups) have a comeback. It mostly happens in Korea. In other countries you can give the album away for free even without cards because it's expensive to import, so someone will want it.

As a person who officially became a Carat just 2 days ago after knowing them since Clap era, I feel so sad for Seventeen. They worked so hard for us, the songs are so so good yet toxic fans do like this just for photocards and fansigns. Instead of throwing the albums in the trash they could donate it to someone who genuinely wants their albums. Not only Seventeen but this applies to all Kpop groups. I am so sad that fans did like this to their idols. Companies should start making only 2 or maximum 3 versions of an album so this won't happen again with any group. And I think that the kpop industry is changing in a bad way....there is just so much toxicity nowadays(no hate to SVT)....I feel like the older kpop gens were the best even tho I became a kpop fan during the beginning of 4th gen😢

EXO said “1 person 1 album”

I think they should just release one version and not have so many photo cards. I only buy one or 2 at most. It is sad that many fans buy it for some photo cards and then discard the rest. This is why I stopped buying most albums but only a few. But I only get one or 2 at most. It is sad to buy the albums for the wrong reasons.

Seeing mountains of discarded albums is so heartbreaking. I've stopped buying albums because they are expensive and I mainly buy them for the photobook, which I can just find scans of them online. I didn't even realize how much some fans seem to only value the photocards, but then again I'm not the collector type.

These records are nothing, they are just harmful at this point for the fans for the earth and for the artists , this is not needed , you are not even a real fan if you care about your idols record more than their music

@ayanobadass949

Жыл бұрын

Fr

If I had money to buy albums I would only get one cuz that’s all I need 👍

Those people who did this are not toxic fans They are not the fans at this point, it's disrespect to idol and ruining seventeen fandom 😢

I don't mind the bulk buying. But what i have issue with is them throwing perfectly fine albums to trash. That is so disrespectful to the artist, imagine how Seventeen must be feeling right now seeing their fans seeing no value in their album they worked hard for. Why can't they just give them away to those who are financially unable to buy and album?

I can’t imagine how Seventeen felt about their albums being dumpstered around everywhere. These people are fans, shouldn’t they know how much work went into not only the music in the CDs but the photoshoots, the theming, the concept? This is Seventeen we’re talking about, and as a Carat you should know how much they care about their work. I can’t think of any reason why a fan would do that, instead of for example distributing it to fans who can’t afford the albums or selling it as second-hand to record shops or something, except that they’re immature and ungrateful. It’s careless on so many levels: it’s careless for the environment, it’s careless for the public space you’re dumping all this in, it’s careless for the artist’s work you’re supposedly supporting. If you _are_ going to buy in bulk, at least have the respect for the labor of your idol and the money you’re spending on it.

Why does this sound like a kid buying toys🤔

I actually bought opened Ateez albums and even converted a few into three ring binders. I dont mind opened ones because I really only collect certain members. I would rather grab them to make sure I get the ones I want. I did the same with Astro. It would take some amazing absolutely amazing benefits for me to buy unsealed.

Whoa, not only is this a recycling issue, this could also be seen as disrespectful to the guys. Having that high amount of albums sold in such a little time is a huge event for the group to celebrate, but now they have to start wondering if fans brought that many albums to listen to, or just to collect their contents such as photo cards, posters and chances to win fan events. Are the sales genuine and if we're seeing so many of the albums in the trash, did they really surpass BTS' Map of the Soul 7? I may not know the group very well, but even I know that's cold people.😒 No ones hard work should be seen litertally lying on the street next to a dumpster or stacked on the curb after having its contents striped clean.

Who even cares about numbers and sales. Care about the environment 😢😢

Yes these bulk buying has to b filtered its getting ridiculous 😤😤

so now there is the problem of physical albums being wastefully discarded, and in the US there is the problem of radio play being dependent on payola, paying someone to play your songs, ignoring listener requests. there has to be a better way.

@CDavis937

Жыл бұрын

1. Payola is illegal. You can report it. 2. Most radio stations choose songs through research groups

@CDavis937

Жыл бұрын

3. A Playlist at major radio stations are choosen at HQs sent out then size down from their

@CDavis937

Жыл бұрын

4. Listener requests are done by local number and area.....you know zip codes exist right in America

@CDavis937

Жыл бұрын

5. Payola is just not used as heavy anymore because ITS SERIOUS FINES

@CDavis937

Жыл бұрын

6 radio is behind trends

As someone who is currently collecting photocards... when I buy multiple albums and versions... if I get a duplicate album(version), I hand it off to one of my ARMY buddies who can't afford to purchase the albums. There is a benefit of being a mature fan who has a job and can afford to do so. Many of the fans I've met are Highschoolers and really can't afford to spend that amount of funds on multiple albums. Some of the albums can range above $40/ea. I felt good about doing so instead of throwing the albums away. That just seems wasteful. Give it to someone who will enjoy the music if all you want are the photocards.

i mean if they don't want the albums... i wouldn't mind taking them -sincerely a broke fan

I surprises and shocks me that fans only buy albums for photocards and for getting into a fan call, like it seems to me that these people are only here for their visuals and *not* for their music. (Personally I can never relate to these kind of people cause to me kpop or any kpop groups are my favorites foremost because of their music and songs. If I had my own money I would be so happy to buy my favorite artist's album cause it's a part of their music and a symbol of their music.)

Buying so many albums are such a waste of money if they're just getting left in the trash.

@beadsandus.4497

Жыл бұрын

I think they really bought it to throw it away😅 it's just my guess I mean why buy it just to throw it away. If he or she is a true fan they could have a common carat fans as their friends and they could easily distribute it to them but no they throw it away in a garbage to all to see. I think haters bought it to throw it away so that they feel they are insulting the artists. Its just my thoughts.

I feel bad for the warehouses workers who have put together 20,000 albums a day. There a lot of effort into meeting the standard volume, only to end up in trash. Its peoples hard labor that make those albums for every fandom.

HMMM How interesting that you upload an ethically disgusting video yesterday but then quietly delete it and not even address it? No apology or comment at all?

It makes me so mad to hear about Seventeen! I feel like more and more fans seem to care about the idols more than the idols work. Not that there is anything wrong with caring about your favorite idol/idols, but we should also be in support in their work they make for us. They all work so hard for us! Lets not throw it away!

So no accountability over milking an idols death then? Just delete the pervious vid and delete any criticism? 🤔

The same happens with music streams. There are people that will open 20 google tabs just to massively infltate the numbers of a new comeback. I just listen a lot to a song when I rly like it, not just bc they gotta win something. The group will win it if they put out good music, not bc I will behave like a bot streaming 24/7 💀

The sales inflating by fans happened with every group including BTS. No albums nowadays are organic. Even western albums

@gayatrin4885

9 ай бұрын

Don't include bts when there sales, charts , streams, views all are match with each other....

@beckyburton9749

19 күн бұрын

​@@gayatrin4885that includes bts because jungkook albums was also thrown away on the street next to bunch of trash and in restrooms besides toilets.

@gayatrin4885

18 күн бұрын

@@beckyburton9749 They are Giveaways at the concert !!! No one throws the Golden albums on the streets ,,,It's just some Armys put the Albums at the specific place at the concert and inform that place inf in the Twitter..And about the toilets ,,that Army need to pee so she put it there but one some one took the picture and check those pics,,Next to trash ??? I find no pics of the golden album next to trash!!!! So don't spread the wrong the information if u don't know ..... Giveaways are common so it's not wrong tho !!!

This happened with every Kpop group, BTS, EXO, BLACKPINK and many more 🙁

@LovelyKissess

Жыл бұрын

True. But they're only talking about it with Seventeen for some reason

I honestly think this channel doesn’t like svt

Not owning a record player and still buying albums is plain stupidity

You know if your gonna throw albums here's what to do GET IT TO ME

0:55 seriously? Tell this to the kcarats who went out at night to buy an ode…

@ayushipathak7097

Жыл бұрын

They will never understand like how proud those carats were running in pajama to reach 700k sales at night

I love Kpop and been a fan since my middle school days! I finally got to afford and album when I was 27 years old because I did not have the money even during college and working. It great that albums are being sold. I love that kpop is going to be global. But when people just want a photocard or just even to meet their favorite artist (and sometimes do not get the chance to), and when some companies do not get noticed (because they are from a small company)…sort of confuses me and pains me. I get the craziness and fandom…but what is the limit to these “albums” and all the other perks that can be detrimental to the planet???

It still means something as an achievement but people should stop throwing those albums.

Darumdarimda

@hanseyepatch3269

Жыл бұрын

real

@bl_manga_

Жыл бұрын

@@hanseyepatch3269 😅

It's really sad how kpop albums gets thrown in the trash what's the reason of buying a album

@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj

Жыл бұрын

They do it mainly for the fan signs or photo cards and other inclusions.

@zuleymaflores4275

Жыл бұрын

@@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj I know but it's not fair for the other fans who want to buy a album from their favorite group usually fans have to wait for albums to get restock

@TrinhNguyen-sh4fj

Жыл бұрын

@@zuleymaflores4275 I agree but sadly there are many selfish fans like that. You what is more disgusting? They get the photo cards to sell on eBay and other platforms for very high prices to rip the other fans off. I have seen it a lot.

I'm not saying this isnt an issue, but this was conveniently used as an excuse when seventeen's name started popping up everywhere, by certain fandoms. It would be nice if it was addressed as a general issue that needs to be taken into consideration, and not just to invalidate seventeen's growth. Its so annoying seeing those albums go to waste when people struggle to purchase 1 album due to the high shipping prices. Let's be honest, those million albums do mean a lot. Its money after all. Hybe is simply doing its marketing and people are buying into it.

This is why I want a shelf in my room while saving money.

The tone of this video is disingenuous. It means something to people who really cherish seventeen. Yall couldnt wait to trash seventeen. But let me tell you, they are only going to get bigger and bigger. Don't worry, carats. Let them talk, we will continue to support till they dominate.

at this point the company should starts selling photocards instead of album. Like what’s the point of producing an album but no one appreciates the effort you poured in making the album when they’re just buying it just to collect the photocards

Fans are not for the music anymore. Its more of fans thristing with idols.

good lord just get someone to help you sell them online. if you give them a cut for the labour, at least you get some money back. such a damn waste.. Added: i say this even though two of my TOP3 groups make multiple versions of the albums and i still buy them looool but i mean i know its not the point, since this is about a ton of waste and a way to boost your chances for exclusive fan meets and whatnot..

as a media designer it hurts my heart so much... working hard for weeks, every minor detail is done on purpose, dozens and dozens of drafts, gosh even the many hours we spend on finding the right typefaces/fonts... i wish people would care a little bit more about the work the people around the kpop idols do. we only see a few faces and hear a few voices but the whole production is so much more... i feel sorry for the artists and designers. i look up to them, they are doing an amazing job. thank you for pointing that out. also regarding albums: i still have to understand the purpose of mini albums or different releases when it is still the same 4 songs... i had to think of that time to twice episode where they had to guess the name of the album by its cover and the 9 girls struggled so hard to get them right because they have like 4893724 mini albums (which was kinda funny tho)

Literally every group has fans who throw albums about to get photocards and to get into fansigns. Sales barely mean anything these days. They should really have a cap on how many albums from one account is counted towards the charts like how america does it

Also, I must say I’m surprised that it took so long for a company to even try to do fan signs digitally in the first place. I don’t understand why they correlate it so hard with a Albums when instead if they wanna make money off of it, have it be tied to fandom‘s. So many fans have official fandom‘s where you have to literally pay monthly to be a part of the fandom and you like get a bunch of gear and stuff to show that your own official part of the fandom and it comes with perks like you can get into buying tickets earlier, etc. whatever and I don’t know why they don’t just have that title fan signs. Like my aunt is part of the TxT fandom, she genuinely likes the music she does like to buy their albums. She likes o’clock them etc. and we were lucky enough to actually be able to get tickets to the concert here in the states because of her being an actual part of the fandom a.k.a. an official Moa member, and having Fanclub membership and getting early access to buying tickets before the general public. It honestly wouldn’t be that hard to also have that tied into fan calls. It’s not like companies. Don’t sit there and have paid for content that they try to keep behind the walls for fans and are willing to shell out the money, including texting apps like bubble, so I never understood why they don’t use that to their advantage in terms of trying to market for fan science because they would have so many more people instead of wasting money because they don’t want an actual 20 copies of an album will instead have that money to spend to join official fan clubs, and then be chosen through there to do Fan meets, etc. Heck it would even be smarter for the use it with like actual official merch. Like it wouldn’t be hard to have merchandise specifically for official fan club members that they sell and if you buy that merchandise and it being stuff that’s like actual use for whether it’s decorations for the light sticks folders, binders actual cute pieces of clothing like sweaters and T-shirts that don’t look like they just have them printed down the street fans would actually sit there pay money for that to get into fancies, but then also get something useful out of it, but they or someone they know can actually get use out of it.

I cannot be the only one who thinks this has nothing to do with setting records and everything to do with the fact that kpop labels are a business and their goal is to make money... I doubt the members of seventeen even had much of a say in this decision. Any economist would probably tell you South Korea is best described as a "hyper-capitalist" country, to me it makes perfect sense that these companies would try to increase profits in any way they can get away with, and then justify it by saying they have a "fiduciary responsibility" to their shareholders lol

no hate to seventeen at all but this is literally the effect of kpop fans esp "some" fanatic ones that always brings up what record the groups new album breaks, as if breaking records was the norm, the company just decided to play the game set by their own fans by literally finding loopholes to make sales

@hombre6604

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i agree. it no longer an entertainment and music to enjoy. it’s now all about the statistics

why are you trying to diminish the success of SEVENTEEN? You've made MULTIPLE extremely negative videos on them now.

In other countries they are very strict about album sales because they know this is the negative effect. One person per album should be applied, this is just nonsense and too much waste. SK please do better.

People forget what it means to enjoy idols and their music, itbis all about numbers now. I dnt know how this started. But fandom should be a intimate and personal space between idols and the fans. But instead now it became a war of which one can achieve more numbers. It is sad truly. Its like everyone is trying to prove who is the most popular now. Supporting and obsessing is a whole different meaning

Even if it was 1 album per Person there are people who buy them on different accounts or devices or cards. Selling many albums is still an achievement even if it was bought buy the same person. Money is money. Plus why do people say Svt are scams when the previous record was held by bts? Stop dis crediting groups. Even if we weren’t talking about album sales they are successful

Hybe is clearly overcompensating now that bts is enlisting. This is gonna ruin 17s reputation 😢

@cherryhwanwoong

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It happens to other groups as well tho? not only Seventeen

@beckyburton9749

19 күн бұрын

​@@cherryhwanwoongit happened to all of kpop artists and that includes bts jungkook and seventeen boyband group.

if i was in korea and i saw a box full of albums, i whold take it home