One of my Sensei; Bill Morrison trained under Mifune sensei; also did the judo demonstration for all to see with him (the fall guy) in the Kodokan 1st Jan about 1959. Bill is still alive in Westport NZ

Jigoro Kano vs Morihei Ueshiba -- the techniques used and sheer technicality of the match would blow my mortal mind to bits..

Ahh... Jugo God Mifune. Thanks for the vid. This is the true judo.

It is art. That is like saying painting should be taught the same way. Artists are always out there learning better ways...or exploring worse ones. We are humans and cannot download KodokanXP Budo is always evolving. It has always been that way, and always will remain so.

There is no way YOU can defend those throws... ...Mifune is in a whole another level.

You are right to some extent. The attacker on this video didn't twist the body to the right nor used his arms to throw Mifune. He simply did a Hane Goshi and lifted Mifune up. He could have done a Makikomi too and Mifune could not have defended. But surely Minufe knew the limitations of his oponent and let him try to do that, so he could defend easily. The defense against Ippon Seioi, on the other hand is perfectly effective even against rolling (makikomi) attacks.

Kano created the Dan system. The Black Belt idea comes from Kano's Judo as well.

Mifune was "Judo" If you look at the UKE He is performing his throws very accuratly, mufune was quite like his teacher "jigoro Kano" in that he was like wrestling with a empty jacket! perfect posture and excellent cultivation of "KI"

I'm taking Kodokan Judo to and I'm really small he's my idol *U*

I have studied Judo for many years. And I am very familiar with Mifune. Look as his opponent while Mifune is in the air. Mifune uses his own weight to offset the throw. If you look (and pause), you can see that the opponent is unable to twist his body and complete the technique. This is very possible, as I have done it multiple times in competition and practice.

I bet they'd just sit there eyeballing each other for hours and then it'd end in a flash.

@ShalKekNemRon Thanks for catching me on that one. You're right Bushido is conduct, I meant to say Bujutsu.

Impresionante.

Have a person hug you from behind, tightly around the waist, now try to make the person rotate around your body... His grasp has to loosen or slip. When Mifune is lifted with the 1st throw he hugs or hand blocks and drops his weight (in the legs)

He also partially catches the opponents lifting leg from the inside with his own leg

my favorite techinique is the other defense against an attack with a stick.

All that is missing from the 1st throw (Hane goshi perhaps) is rotating Mifune over the hip... Mifune stays tight to the back, also his left hand may post on the front of his opponents hip blocking the rotation, but it is hard to see (try pausing)

Just watched them, and you could argue that something like butterfly was in there. HOwever the other ones I mentioned weren't and not even by a longshot. All the influence came from judo, however if you take into consideration the very short amount of time that carlos trained in judo, you will understand that it isn't possible for him to have learned all judo moves. You should also realize that it is possible for more than one person to invent the wheel, simply out of necessity.

What exactly did he do to avoid the throw at 0:23 ? The defense he uses at 0:30 is pretty cool.

Oh well, I agree with you in the first part of what you said.

So Kano didn't get a dan from all the other Jujitsu Masters he trained under before creating Judo? A danless warrior created one of the most populer MA in the world? Brilliant!

well i think to be good at judo you need to practice it from childhood and you should love it because it needs a lot of love respect and passion to manage to endure more than 18 years of practice i think its the same to every budou its not how strong your body is its how strong your heart and spirit

@LardInATubeSock I've trained with a guy who was 70 and he kicked my ass. I thought I had him when i picked him up. He floated around and tossed me on my ass. After that I knew he was serious. Every time I tried a throw, and I didn't hold back, he would counter and destroy my ass. This man was Gene LeBell. Mifune was the greatest technician after Kano. I don't doubt he would have the same skills.

Jujutsu schools didn't use any dan systems. I think it was an innovation in the method of judo. But he did hold certificates off mastery in a number of diffrent jujutsu school.

@TenteixSaigo i thought judo and bjj came from jui jitsu?

@thomasohare2 BJJ is still considered Judo or sub-style of Judo. Even with some new guard positions, sweeps and escapes, 95% of the techniques have been derived from Judo. Remember, Helio was 6th dan in Judo before he was 6th dan in BJJ.

Any martial arts takes a life time do master (at least 20 year) to be really good and UNDERSTAND the techniques.

yeah thats right^^ but i cant understand why the throws dont work at him

Judo really changed...

10th dan is the highest you can get. it is like getting a tenth degree black belt, Mifune was and still is the best judo master who has lived. id like to see anyone beat mifune

@04ozful BJJ comes from judo, which came from Jujitsu. It's inaccurate to say that it comes from jujitsu, because it wasn't developed from that art. It was developed from the more refined judo.

Saying Mifune couldn't defend such a throw is like saying Helio Gracie couldn't defend a well timed arm bar or, Ali a jab. These exponents of their sports were capable of things most of us never will be.

@JordyGarbutt You can think that, but Mifune would have students slam him all the time to demonstrate a throw.

This is a beautiful demonstration, but obviusly not up to full speed.

You must keep in mind that makikomi techniques were frowned upon at Mifune's time. Without that option you could hardly someone with Mifune's sense of avoidance and control. The seoi defense, on the other hand, would work even in face of drop and makikomi techniques.

Another subject of chaos theory.

oh totally, but being that bjj has moved from being primary for self defense to sport it is only natural that the game changes. you see this with judo too, as some people will stall on bottom to be stood back up, and likewise pins arent the most effective in some scenarios. however, the question from ronin was the amount of moves, not their effectiveness or application. though me personally, i stick to basics too!

@zomaruhitaku Go to an MMA gym. They train that way. They take parts from all those martial arts. I mean sure, most of the time it's watered down compared to the traditional fighters, but they do well 1 on 1

if the guy who was trying to throw him would flip himself over with his throws that guy would have to go with him unless the grip gets broken.

@thomasohare2 there is cooperation. bjj owes a lot to judo techniques

@d4j0k3rQc He is a master. He knows how to counter

@youngdones It takes about that long to master anything.

o cara não cai não ai....

ok ok.. just for fun.. JIGORO KANO (judo grandmaster) vs MORIHEI UESHIBO (aikido grandmaster) .. Imagine if these 2 clashed.

Most of those guards have no real aplication besides JJ competition, the best jiu jitsu master Rickson has a pretty simple game, but noone can stop him from doing the basics reversals, armbar, rear naked, triangle. If you want to train for self defense stick to the basics, that is what old judo was about.

@youngdones You never truly master it. You just get great at it.

Bellnog (1 week ago) I studied Judo and I there is no way he could have defended those throws once his entire body is lifted off the ground, no disrespect intended. [end quote] Unless a ju-dan knows more than you about how to. Look at how he swings his body a little the other way. Mifune was pretty darn good. The guys trying to throw him look like gaijin too.

This is what Judo should be like, "the gentle way", using techniques to beat sheer bull strength opponent of bigger size than you are. He is demonstrating the essence of traditional martial art where it isn't about sheer strength or weight class bla bla like they solely focus on in modern times US (or the West), good techniques can be utilized by the weaker side, Good martial art should be about fighting with your brain, not size.

Unlike average judo practitioners, do you notice that his reaction is very quick and fast? Also notice that his opponent was not able to do the "kuzushi" successfully. It's really important when you offset and neutralize a throw. Not letting the opponent use the leverage is what he's doing in this clip. You know, even when you throw your opponent, you won't be successful if you don't have 1) kuzushi and 2) enough leverage (pulling and pushing).

@LardInATubeSock Do randori with my teacher and say that it's fake. He was the greatest technician next to kano, and i've used these methods to counter throws.

@thomasohare2 They should, BJJ came from Judo, after all.

I have no clue what judo you guys are studying if ur saying you can defend a throw once you legs have left the floor . its not easy but it can be done all about leverage.

you say that it is interesting how different judo schools are. but one point in judo is that is should be taught the same way all over the world there should only exist kodokan judo and not american german french japanese english chinese african and argentinian style.

or as it would be.... try to beat him (like anyone could)

Can someone not post a video without a bjj comes from judo vs bjj from jujitsu debate? Judo come from jujitsu, its the same family, and they all come from bushido. therefore both are correct.

@youngdones There is no set number of years to "master" any real martial art. No one ever masters judo, and I am pretty sure this is the same for Aikido, BJJ, and all of the other soft arts. This includes Karate, even though to the uninitiated it looks like a hard art. I don't know anything about non-japanese arts. Your second question: some things are hard some things are easy. I am sure it is no more difficult than any other serious, full contact martial art.

ITS A BO STAFF !! NOT A FUCKING STICK ! >:O

@leocmen ...i agree...the big thing that i don't like is the koka/yuko stuff....i hear stories of how when it was just wazari/ippon, and an ippon was some weak yoko sutemi...it's like some of these olympic ippons the guy is thrown/rolled more gently than how i lay my wife down in bed..and BOOM...IPPON (in the olympics, not my wife crying "ippon", LOL)

Bellnog, You "studied Judo." You never got to two important things obviously. The first thing is KAESHI. But the more important thing is you didn't learn any history and you have failed to recognize the man referred to as Judo God. Mifune didn't "study Judo." He was Judo.

99%? Not even close. Bjj has changed itself in many ways in the last 10 years as it has been influenced by many other styles. There has also been many newer guards and styles that have sprung up. Butterfly, x guard, de la riva, torreando, spider guards to name most of them didnt come from judo. So to say it all is from judo isn't true. To say without judo that bjj wouldnt exist, there is no question.

The parry-counters are very mechanical... not fluid. The counter-throws was amazing...

bullshit they just have respect for there master obv. not going to slam shit out of him.. knife attacks defence doesn't work those guys loosely attack then pause

If we say about history, I think Musashi Miyamoto could beat him ;) hehe

No disrespect to Master Mifune, but what a bullshit. What if the guy makes more commitment, drop his body to complete the throw?

@Snebotnie That is nowhere near true. I've stopped throws mid air. I've had my throws stopped mid air. You learn how to do that in judo. I suggest you either find a judo teacher, or if you have one find another.

Mifune wasn t judo, he was BUDO

wtf

dr kano has no dan. neither the first nor the eleventh or 12th. from the japanese point of view there is no institution that has the authority to promote dr kano any dan rank

@04ozful BJJ comes from judo, which came from Jujitsu. It's inaccurate to say that it comes from jujitsu, because it wasn't developed from that art. It was developed from the more refined judo.