It's odd to me that Kodak wouldn't offer these at a much lower price. They sell the film stock and pretty much own the market, so why not sell the cams cheaper (1 or 1.5K) and get as many people hooked on shooting super 8 as possible? I love the format and the idea of a new reliable cam (my Nizo just locked up) but almost 6K is insane.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

I’m sorry to hear about your Nizo locking up. That super sucks (no pun intended). It does seem like an aggressive way to start out trying to reintroduce this tech to a potentially new audience. If they are successful, there is no telling what third party companies might come up with around the same time. Thanks for being here 🙏.

@bagnome

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuzaI'm mildly surprised no-one's tried to make a simple, basic super 8 camera. Even Kodak. I have my grandfather's old Kodak M4 Instamatic. A super simple camera with auto exposure. Someone could make a modern version of that camera. Just have it designed to meter for Kodak's current lineup of movie film.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Right?!@@bagnome I feel like that should have been the goal. I'm hopeful that the hype of this new camera will spark some other companies to make a lomo-stlye point-and-shoot modern camera that will help people re-visit or enter the market of motion film. Should we hold hands and pray? Is that how products get made? Thanks for the thoughts.

I agree. Keeping old cameras going is costly and frustrating. Ever tried to buy an eyecup for a 70's camera?

@timmuza

7 ай бұрын

I have! It lasted on my canon 318 zoom for less than an hour before someone handed it to me. Gaff tape makes it look cheap. Thanks for adding to the comments (and not just because you agree with me).

I really hope that this is just the initial price for developing the camera and that maybe in the future they could outsource production or something to make cheaper models

excited to see the course! I've had an old 8mm camera sitting on my shelf for years that I've never tested. perhaps you will inspire me to try it out one day

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

You absolutely should. It's a fun thing to bring on trips and to parties (if you don't have a professional use for it right away). Also this helps as a low steaks testing ground. Which brand do you have?

@TylerCheeseman

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuza it's an old Mamiya model III G. I'll have to run a test roll through it and let you know how it works!

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

The next time I have left-over film in a roll (next weekend’s wedding) swing by the studio on Monday if you can, I can save 10 feet to test in your camera.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Nevermind. It take spools not cartridges -_-

@TylerCheeseman

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuza cartridge partridge same thing

Where can I see your video at 2:55, footage looks great. What film stock did you use for that footage?

@timmuza

4 ай бұрын

Hey thanks! I was on filming on 500t. I didn’t shoot any video, just BTS and film : )

This is exciting and confusing at same time! It’s exciting to see a new super 8 camera that you initially don’t have to be afraid of it stop working! 😅 I shot super 8 for the first season of the IFC’s Ultimate Film Fanatic and I went through half of my super 8 camera collection! 😳 they were fine when I brought them in, in the middle of the shoot… nothing! The motors seized up 😢

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Oh no! That's a scary thing to have happen, especially mid shoot. Yeah it's a fear of mine as well. I always bring two film cameras with me to every wedding or event where I am shooting, as you know they are not light. It'll be a nice change of pace to have the peace of mind of leaving a backup film camera locked in my car as opposed to lugging 25lbs of camera around with me. Tell me about this IFC Ultimate Film Fanatic? What is that?

@drewnoirfilmz

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuza The Ultimate Film Fanatic was a game show produced partially by IFC in the mid 2000’s. It was a game show about finding who was the “ultimate film fanatic”. The contestants went through a series of rounds of trivia and the final round was showing off their extreme fandom by their rare movie memorabilia. It hosted by film critic Chris Gore and had celebrity judges. They had two seasons as far as I know, the second season they hired a production crew who specialized in super 8 production and used the more expensive super8 cameras.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

That’s rad! I wish I knew about this. I worked at Corus entertainment in Toronto in 2010, one of the channels we broadcast across Canada had a lot of IFC content. I’m surprised this wasn’t one of the shows.

The fact that you could buy a Sony FX30 (Super 35 sensor) and a few decent cine lenses and even have money leftover to rig it out with an external monitor, mic, etc for the same cost as this Kodak Super 8 is beyond insane. The Kodak is basically a toy for enthusiasts/collectors that have money to burn.

@timmuza

6 ай бұрын

I also love how incredibly affordable digital is these days in comparison. Thanks for sharing your feelings on great alternatives to antiquated technology. I totally agree, motion film costs have skyrocketed over the past couple of years. Which I guess speaks to the value of the medium in a very digital age. I love filming motion film for my clients and couples. It’s something I have built into my pricing for weddings and events, and it adds so much novelty and instant nostalgia to my finished edits. I guess for some it’s an expensive hobby without much practical use… sort of like sports cars… who wouldn’t want a 1987s Porsche 911? Thanks for being here and the adding your feelings. I appreciate you.

is there a market for a super 8 wedding videographer in a major city or is it too niche?

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Yes absolutely. Wedding videography is a vast and creatively fulfilling career. I have rolled super 8mm into my business and it has become something that has differentiated my videos and packages from other people in my area. It’s not for everyone but for the right clients it’s most bueno.

i know they made this camera in partnership with the company logmar, Logmar announced they are creating a new 8mm camera for professional rental houses shipping in 2024. wondering what you think about all that. thanks!

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Yes! I heard of the logmar s8. I wasn’t aware of their plans for a new camera in development. I’m excited to see what they come up with that is a little more streamlined and compact in 2024. I shoot weddings with a canon c70 and typically a canon 318 (s8 camera). They have a combined weight of a small dog… something that keeps me motivated to do my pushups. So I’m very hopeful that whatever new film camera is lightweight to save my spine from crumbling. Thanks for the update and info!

@lo_batt

8 ай бұрын

thanks for the reply!@@timmuza just to continue the conversation have you used any of the refurbished cameras from pro8mm in Burbank like the Beaulieu 4008 and if you have any thoughts about their camera rebuilding services. thanks!

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

@@lo_batt I have not! But I am very aware of their services. I just developed 4 rolls with them, great customer service so I have no doubt their camera service/repairs/refurb is and equal experience. I’m in Canada so imports and conversion on pricing and shipping time are less than bueno. So I do all of my development through Niagara Custom Labs in Toronto. As far as cameras go, I’ve had mostly luck buying second hand from eBay and Kijiji (Canadian Craig’s list). I feel like now is a good time to buy super 8mm before the new Kodak camera drops and potentially enters the zeitgeist driving up prices of second hand cameras. Have you ordered from pro8mm?

@lo_batt

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuza I haven't ordered from them but I went to the shop and talked to them for a bit and handled the cameras in person. I thought they were really high quality with the rebuilds and I totally agree I think c Mount lenses and super 8 cameras are all going to experience a price increase due to the new Kodak being released

5 and a half grand for a super 8 camera. 😮 I’ll stick with my canon 1014 till I go to 16mm. Nice work on your channel btw. 👍

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

I could not agree more! It’s a wildly aggressive price tag out the gate. I am hopeful it will come down in price. I appreciate the 👍. Let me know when you try 16mm. I would love to find a project that calls for 16mm.

Oh hell ya! Big dog Tim! You're gonna be so disappointed in me, I bought a 514xl for an Ireland trip last year....Still havent developed the film 😅 I feel like that might be a sign I shouldn't snag this even though I adore the look or Super 8.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Canyon my friend. There are very few things you could do in this life that would disappoint me. When you do decide to get that film developed and scanned, hooo boy, it’ll be a great day. It’s okay if motion film isn’t for you. Everything can’t be for everyone, if it were we would have problems as a society. Keep your heart open and the right things will find you.

Yo, I'm in the USA. I'll buy it for you. lol would love to use it, just cant justify the price for myself.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Ha! The selfish/impatient part of me would love that. I don’t mind waiting for my local camera store to connect me with their sales rep to build that relationship. But I super appreciate the hook up! I’ve got some time between now and my next wedding film. Plenty of time for me to save some money towards this investment.

Unsubscribe.... So I can re-subscribe and see more vids! This is great! I'm about to go watch some of your past videos. Would love to see another video if you get you hands on the new Super 8 camera.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Awe, Gravy! Thanks man. My videos are fine, nothing to write home about. I appreciate it. I’m looking forward to making you proud by procuring this devilishly-priced film camera and talking about it on the internet.

Have fun spending $5000 more than you need to. Consider moving to 16mm, learn the exposure triangle and give your customers a much better product.. or not. You’re young. You’ll have lots of time to learn. I learned filmmaking 55+ years ago and enjoy every aspect of the process. Good luck.

@timmuza

6 ай бұрын

55+ years of film making. That’s remarkable! I would love to see a bit of your work if you are open to sharing it. Yes, I would love to offer my couples and clients the experience of 16mm, the only thing I worry about is the weight of the cameras. The benefit of 8mm is the compact size of the film/cameras. Which is a huge benefit while also shooting digital, but you’re smart you understand. So far I haven’t hear back from any Kodak reps. I guess we will wait and see. Thanks for being here, I appreciate you.

@flyingo

6 ай бұрын

@@timmuza there are a few older 16mm cameras that are as light as, or even lighter than the Canon Super 8mm cameras I see in this video. Of course the biggest factor with older cameras is either the absence of, or “not quite accurate”, built in auto-exposure meters. That’s only an issue if you rely heavily on the camera to determine your exposure. I had a video production company for about 10 years in the late ‘80s and early 90s. We shot thousands of weddings 🙄. Always worrying about the low light environments. Of course no one ever complained as they always focused on the people in the scenes. My filmmaking adventures began in 1965 or ‘66 when my late father taught me all about 8mm & 16mm filmmaking. Nothing beats film for adding emotion to visuals these days. I applaud you for including film in your offerings!

Tim!!

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Paul! I’m not sure if you remember but you made a recommendation when we first met at NAB (2016?) for a Sirui monopod. I bought and still have that thing. It’s my favourite go-to for setting up a locked off shot with a short lens in a tight space. So thank you, I just thought now is as good as a time/place as ever to mention it and share my gratitude.

@paulgero

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuza thank you Tim for the great memory. So glad it is still useful to you!! Keep up the good work here.

I used to have nizo professional, and there is something special about super 8 always.But that price range is a joke ngl.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

That’s cool, I’m just looking up Nizo camera now. All of my super 8 camera are canon, because I’m basic. I hope they come down in price.

Kidak has no intention of actually supoorting thiis camera. It is simoly selling off alk tgeyvcan to reciup costs. It was announced 8 years ago at a $750.00 price point.. It was later changed to a $1000.00... and tge camera was shelves for several more years. It has a $5,000+ price witg years old specs...Micro USB charging, mini HDMI. Kodak's one big promise all those years ago was that it was going to bundle Film Stock, Processing, 4k Scanning and acloud Storage for a set price with each cartidge (regardless of owning tgis camera or not) It seems that this is not going to happen which makes this produxt even less attractive. I think Originally planned to sell tge camera at a loss, but make it up with selling film at a higher but better value price. but after years of R&D and bothing to show for it...They scrapped the service...and just release tge cameraa they have as a "limited edition" to recoup the money

@timmuza

5 ай бұрын

I love the research. Thanks for sharing your feelings and findings. : )

Why would anybody in their right mind spend 5 k for a super 8 camera

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

If you roll the cost of film and a camera into your business… but I feel you Mae. It’s a steep price, especially if you are just getting into it.

@maebrown7275

8 ай бұрын

I would love one, maybe price drop will happen. Would love that cam. You did a good review. Cheers@@timmuza

I call BS on the price. I think Kodak is using that as a way to somehow manipulate its target consumer- as a way of getting out of the format for good. They could say- see we created what they wanted, and they just didn't sell, so we are killing the format for good.

@timmuza

7 ай бұрын

That’s super interesting. I love a good conspiracy around a company intentionally trying to tank their own product line. It makes for a very good documentary. I hope you are wrong (only for the sake of film). It also sounds like I should probably invest in thousands of rolls of 500t now.

Only five and a half grand??!! Is that all?? i will take three!! Good grief.......does anyone remember what Kodak initially said this was going to cost? This is so far off from that. They must have struggled to produce this.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

It sounds like it! The more I talk to friends about this, I’m wondering if the success will bring another manufacturer forward with a less expensive model… which depending on quality of build could leave us exactly where we are. I’m excited to get my hands on one of these and take it for a spin. Thanks for being here : ).

@Sabundy

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuza if my memory serves correct....it was years ago now....Kodak claimed at CES (where they first showed it off) that it would sell around the 400-500 USD range. At that price this could be a hit product and pull a lot of people into 8mm. But at 5 and a half grand?.....it's dead on arrival as a product.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

Yeah you’re totally right. It’s wild how much that price inflated. At this stage it’s hard to blame it all on the Suez Canal. It’ll be interesting to see how the hobbyist market reacts to this pricing and where it will all go from launch. 🚀 I’m glad you’re here adding to the conversation.

@tenfingerstentoes

8 ай бұрын

When you look at the alternatives though. Like HBO filmed Winning Time on Pro8mm Super8's, with the Max8 gate. Those are 3.5k as is, with no crystal sync and no digital viewfinder, and they aren't made by Kodak. When you look at getting one of those Super 8's modified with Crystal sync, the price is... just what it is.

To bad, absolutely a ridiculous price.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

I wonder if it’s a hype price to get more eyeballs on it. Maybe things will change. Thanks for being here.

@curiosity2314

8 ай бұрын

@@timmuza Something is going on, I certainty would wait at least a year before deciding on a purchase. For 5 grand it had be better optioned out and not looking so plastic like. My grandfather worked for Kodak back in the day I guess he received a gold watch for 25 years service. Parents used the 8mm and I went on to the Super 8. My Super 8 at the time didn't cost all that much buying as a kid in the early 70's and it had zoom. These are not overly complex units until you get into the large cinematic cameras. If Kodak took off the relevant and all important zero I would buy one today. The zero needs to disappear. 😁

Kodak still reamains a fucked up company. Kodak produces the Film in the US. Kodak Alaris is the owner of the rights of the Kodak film or something. Kodak Chemicals have been spun off to Sino Promise of China. The company is the largest importer of photo printers (Noritsu ect). The Kodak Chemical was sold in order to pay for pension fund.... anyway... Fucked up. Now they are producing one camera, which is propably not made by them, which badly engineerd because Kodak has no longer experience in-house to do that. The price is insane. What did they do? Have they made 10 prototypes which are being sold now? For 5k you are asking for a professional camera that allows some impacts. I am not trusting Kodak. Kodak's reputation in regards of cameras is just aweful.

@timmuza

8 ай бұрын

I love your passion, I love your research. I’m also interested in seeing how this new camera looks feels and operates. Thanks for being here and sharing your perspective. 10 prototypes, ha! I love that idea that they made so few so they have to recover their costs. Let’s hope for brighter things in film in the future.