Karen hands down was the glue that held this show together. I wish they would do another reboot !

@hotgritz4sho

5 жыл бұрын

indiana hoosier I agree! This was a powerful show. Very emotional and they knew how to use music to drive home those powerful scenes.

@heavenawilson7271

Жыл бұрын

Yeah but who would be left from the original series cast..Many have passed away..

@davidz2400

Жыл бұрын

Yes, but...the show suffered greatly after Abby left after lighting the show on fire upon her arrival. 🔥

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@davidz2400I am sure knots landing and Dallas would have last some more seasons if the top main cast members wouldn't Left.

That ranch is GORGEOUS. Knots always treated you to not only rich writing and stellar acting, and beautiful faces, but also beautiful scenery and locations. It really was one of the best shows for everything across the board.

@heavenawilson7271

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Gary's Ranch was Beautiful..Liked it better than South Fork... It was much smaller but landscaped well..

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@heavenawilson7271I southfork acres of all that land was just beautiful ❤️ it.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@heavenawilson7271Gary I believe did that just because his folks raised him up on the ranch.

This classic scene is an example of the excellence of Knots Landing Abby's disdain for Karen is clear as is her pleasure at the rift beween Karen and Diana. Michelle Lee's speach is amazing love how they show how Abby's daughter Olivia is watching and taking it in. It is truly a shame that KL was willfully ignored when it came to writing and acting by the Emmys.

@MsTexas73

2 ай бұрын

Olivia saw all of that and knew her Mom loved every minute of Diana telling Karen off. By that time Olivia was about 11/12 years old. So yep. She knew what was going on. She had her mother’s number. And yep. Just like DALLAS, Knot’s Landing was always overlooked and snubbed by the Television Academy and the critics.

What made this scene incredibly amazing were the LAYERS. David Jacobs wrote this episode and not only do we have the Abby vs Karen feud in full effect (which will come back to haunt Abby when Olivia turns to Val, then to Karen in future stories), and Diana vs Karen, completely shattering the sweet relationship they had in the earlier seasons, but it's Olivia's arrival at 01:40 - watching the whole mess. THIS is great foreshadowing for when Olivia does drugs in the later years and runs away from Abby. Such a smart man David Jacobs was!!

Get ready Abby - you're going to have your own mother/daughter issues coming your way in a couple of seasons.

@jenniferwellman5311

4 жыл бұрын

SweptAway529 I loved that storyline, because it really showed how Abby was good mother, she always was

@damianlatimer5753

3 жыл бұрын

@@jenniferwellman5311 she wasnt a good aunt though.lol!

First, Michele Lee looks stunning! Second, I am totally exhausted watching her have to climb those endless steps in those heels. :)

@Guyatl

4 жыл бұрын

HunterWrangler yessss lol

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

But she did with no hassle great acting.

What a powerful scene... Michelle Lee is amazing

@go-goakins1489

5 жыл бұрын

Comic Man true!👍

My goodness how I miss this show!! Best on television...they don't make them like this anymore...acting and story lines were brilliant!

Good for Eric! Diana deserved that slap!

@angordydon

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. Never liked Diana. Whiny, selfish, entitled brat

@Mike-wf1nm

9 ай бұрын

Diana was incredibly annoying.

@christinegolding6493

4 ай бұрын

No slapping someone is wrong. That is violence. Any kind of violence should not be condoned. Yes Diana was out of line but her brother had no right to slap her. Karen should have immediately told him that was wrong and he was never to slap his sister again. The way Eric could have handled it is by telling Diana that he really didn't appreciate the way Diana was talking to their mother. He should not have hit her that's just wrong. Violence should never be tolerated

@quincycooper79

Ай бұрын

Eric did Diana just right by slapping the dog s**t out of her. Disrespectful woman 👩 Diana was.She never treated Karen right.

I don't think I have seen any woman look as good or have her makeup look as perfect as it ever did on Abby.

She wins this little battle, but loses the war. This was the beginning of the long-running story line whereby Olivia observes her mother's actions and slowly over time it all begins to affect her. Abby will pay a price for this small victory just a few years later on the show, with Olivia's drug battles.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

Abby did begin then too understand what was a mother's reasons to protect her daughter meant then.

Loved Karens outfit in this.. No one but no one can give a look like Donna Mills. Especially when she felt she got the upper hand.. Her look at the end was priceless. And Claudia Lonow player her character to the T.. She always thought she was better than her mother and her Aunt could do no wrong. Im sure plenty of families have had that issue..

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

Knots landing had drama with family issues while Dallas as well is business Jr and Abby would have made a team he could have taught her some more tricks.

He slapped all the shit outta her. Good!

I always thought Michele Lee had a tendency to ham it up. The show wouldn’t have been the same without her, though. I do think Joan Van Ark was the best actress on the show, but agree that Donna Mills was underrated. She was a wonderful antagonist without overplaying.

@Mike-wf1nm

2 жыл бұрын

Agree on all counts. We need a reboot!

@tremelyoung8048

2 жыл бұрын

@@Mike-wf1nm Yes, I agree with everything you said 😘

@EastSide-qc5oy

2 жыл бұрын

I think the final facial expression Karen gave Abby on the way out felt a little over the top, almost like a spoof of how a soap actor would play it.

To those asking why Eric slapped Diana... I wrote this earlier. Although it was harsh, from day one, Diana (even as a teenager) was self-entitled, selfish and so emotionally demanding that she grated on viewers nerves. Anything that happened in anyone's life, her first initial reaction was usually "but how will it affect me?" Her relationship with Chip (which is what her motivation in this scene was) surpassed anyone and anything happening, according to Diana. She placed her own emotions so far above anyone else, she was willing to let Ciji's killer go free and acted as if everyone was trying to personally destroy her happiness, as if THAT was the driving motivation to bring justice: let's not try to bring a killer to justice or defend a victim's honor, no our main goal is to ruin Diana's life. That utter lack of empathy and compassion showed Diana's true colors to her family, the cul-de-sac and the entire viewing audience. That with all the years of whining about her life, when she had an ideal life growing up, just made viewers hate her. Eric's slap was the writers way of letting the audience have a sense of "YES!" Plus, what isn't shown here is that not long after this scene, it was Eric who laid the seeds that finally convinced Diana to tell the truth. He reminded her that their own father DIED trying to bring criminals to justice and that she was behaving in a way that was a dishonor to not only his memory, but his whole existence as a human being and everything he stood for. Diana was an abomination to Sid's legacy. When Eric slapped her, it wasn't over anyone else or even the disregard she had for their mother, it was Eric's distaste for Diana's dishonor for their father's ideals that was brewing inside him that made him slap her.

@cbl1984

7 жыл бұрын

jephybean In other words she inherited the worst traits of her mother and her aunt....without any of the goodness of her father!

@jaxcoss5790

5 жыл бұрын

@City Dweller Nonsense!

@jwbmw6084

5 жыл бұрын

I never liked Diana's character, I was glad when they finally wrote her out of the show.

@hotgritz4sho

5 жыл бұрын

jw bmw How did they write her out? Was it right after Chip’s shocking death at the hands of an unsuspecting Lillimae?

@bryanferguson4280

5 жыл бұрын

jephybean damn are you a psych major? 😂😂

I agree...this was an awesome season. And this scene was tops. So much going on in this scene, some subtle. I love the way Olivia witnesses this entire exchange, setting up what would become a long-standing storyline of Olivia's questioning of her mother. Everyone here did a first rate job, including the editors. This couldn't have been an easy scene to edit and finalize.

This has got to be one of the best Knots episodes ever - they were at the top of their game! The culmination of so much build-up. In the first 3 seasons, our heroines Karen, Val, and Laura dealt with many issues, but still managed to maintain some sense of stability to their lives. But once Chip killed Ciji, everything turned to chaos, and all they could do is try to stay afloat. Love Abby’s glare at the end… she has no sympathy for Karen at all. Her look says, “You lose, I win!” haha

This scene was important. Abby suffered the wrath a couple of season later when Olivia turned on her and got hooked of cocaine.

@hotgritz4sho

5 жыл бұрын

George Hirst Olivia that sweet lil’ girl riding that bike got hooked on coke???! Oh my...

@brianalejandro5746

4 жыл бұрын

George Hirst Olivia showed the depths to how addiction can affect a person.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@brianalejandro5746why was reason anyway of getting addicted?

Abby and karen both look strong and beautiful in this scene. Perfect tension. Abby lies so effortlessly as diana comes out of house.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

Which Olivia picked up on that and knew mother was a cruel lady.

when this show went off the air this is when prime time television died

@CaptainSpalding72

5 жыл бұрын

Not its not...

One of my favorite Knots Landing scenes!!!!!

oh man i miss the 80s for so many reasons.

@stevefoster4326

2 жыл бұрын

Families, modesty, common sense, tv, music, communication.

Diana had turned her back on her mother, which proved to be one of the reasons why Claudia Lonow had left the show. She was very unpopular with audiences unlike Donna Mills's character.

Donna Mills had the best makeup of any woman on primetime TV in the 80's BAR NONE

@niceguy5976

2 жыл бұрын

She did her own makeup. She even sold a video called "The Eyes Have It" giving makeup tips and how to do makeup like she did it. You can find clips of the video here on KZread.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

Except for when she did the most honest and decent thing out of her whole entire role and drove Val to catch her twins before the adopters kidnapped by leaving town her makeup 💄 was quite heavy and made her look drastic.

@FelipeR78

Жыл бұрын

@@robertscott8344 I remember that episode. The likely reason for that is they started out filming under precise lighting in studio then transitioned to filming the last part of the episode outdoors in natural lighting and she just decided to keep going w/o adjusting her makeup to suit that particular lighting (sunlight).

Knots was so great!!

Of course, Olivia knew her mother Abby was evil.

@jaxcoss5790

5 жыл бұрын

@Sebastian Sutton She was evil. Utterly vile.

@hotgritz4sho

5 жыл бұрын

LOL! Let’s just say Abby was an evil bitch and be done with it.

@darnellanders8768

5 жыл бұрын

well they do go hand and mouth..

@johndoyle2429

2 жыл бұрын

I thought when brought in Donna Mills, Kevin Dobson and William Devane. It Improved the show altogether.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@johndoyle2429Kevin Dobson's joining what gave the show's starting ratings for the monster hit it was.

Gorgeous Ladies--GREAT ACTING/SCENE!

"For years and months and days!" I really liked Karen's character in this show

KL and Melrose Place were the last great primetime soaps ♥️ Abby and Amanda 4 ever

@johndoyle2429

2 жыл бұрын

Melrose Place was good too, but it didn't have magic knots had.

@Tfontaine209

2 жыл бұрын

@@johndoyle2429 I agree

Knots Landing lives as Gary and Val are returning to the new Dallas this season

Abby definitely didn’t want Olivia getting any ideas!! Best series EVER!! KNOTS❤️❤️

This was KNOTS LANDING fifth season and DALLAS seventh season, both in the 1983-1984 season. :)

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

When Val and Gary made it to California what season was Dallas in then?

@riveranormanf.8770

Жыл бұрын

@robertscott8344 It was KNOTS LANDING (1979-1980) first season, when Gary and Valerie made it to California and DALLAS third season. Both series had their storyline.

@wutta-do5zy

2 ай бұрын

Zero crossovers that year. Knots was the one to watch while Dallas was getting stale and strange.

@MsTexas73

2 ай бұрын

It depends on what count you are going by. If you are going by the WB count it is DALLAS’s 3rd season (1979-80) when KL begins. But many of us original viewers go by the original CBS count which does not call the mini series season 1. Season 1 is the 1978-79 season and therefore KL began during DALLAS’s second season. Even the cast most often goes by the original count. The WB came up with calling the mini series season 1 when they put DALLAS on DVD because they put the mini series and season 1 all on the same boxed set. So they called the mini series season 1 and season 1 became season 2 and they sold us that boxed set at the awful price of almost $40 since they were “technically” giving us two seasons on one boxed set. And all the other boxed sets were sold for less. But that’s how the numbering changed.

Donna mills is a goddess!👈🌹

Yes, her character was written to the point of no redemption. But kudos to actress Claudia Lonow for making her character so unlikable. Let's not confuse the actress with the role.

I saw a show with a similar situation where the kids ran away to their Grandpa's house and he said: At least you know where they are now. If they run away again you may never know. GIve them a few days and be patient with them

Knots Landing had its foot on a gas pedal and season 5 took viewers on a very satisfying, dramatic ride!

to answer Henry Cooper's question, this was episode 80 "One Kind of Justice", Oct 27, 1983

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

Did knots landing Carry that many episodes for one season gosh 😁?

Diana reminds me of "Taffy" in "Female Trouble!"

@tjames9698

2 жыл бұрын

Diana needs to go and live with the Hare Krishnas….

I love this scene, mom's know their kids best.

In this very moment of time, there were never two hotter women on television ever again.

@stonedaily7637

2 жыл бұрын

Michelle Lee was hot in movie about the VW.

@wutta-do5zy

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely

When Knots brought in the likes of Donna Mills, Kevin Dobson R.I. P.and William Devane it was a different show altogether. Basically it Improved the show altogether.

It seems Karen, Val, and Abby's kids were causing all kinds of trouble on Knots Landing. While Laura's three children were all saints. Laura's two sons always did what Laura and Richard told them to do, with no problems.

@damianlatimer5753

4 жыл бұрын

Bobby and Betsy were good too,though and Lauras oldest son did something a little disrespectful and Laura told him to go to his room

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@damianlatimer5753agree 💯👍 what role bob and Betsy even have besides playing.

I am team Abby........always

Don't worry Abby....your turn is coming 😒

Great show. Wish there was a reboot. Always like Karen.

Love the contrast, Abby is revelling in Karen’s despair over Diana, yet she’s failing in her own relationship with her own daughter

I never warmed up to Diana. Donna Mills on the other hand was smoking HOT!😍

@Mike-wf1nm

9 ай бұрын

Yes, Diana was a lot.

Abby n karen look so pretty in this scene...family drama bitches cause all this shit!

Donna mills practically still looks the same 40 years later. How can she do it so well (nip/tuck) and many fail miserably.

Anyone willing to sell me season 3?

What episode name is this and from what season?

@riveranormanf.8770

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Henry, This was KNOTS LANDING (1983-1984) fifth season, the name of episode not sure and DALLAS was in it's seventh season.

@damianlatimer5753

3 жыл бұрын

@@riveranormanf.8770 One Kind Of Justice.the fifth season

@riveranormanf.8770

3 жыл бұрын

@@damianlatimer5753 Thanks

Anyone notice Olivia missing from 2:53-3:13?

Classic Knots

Abby was such an instigator. And Diana was such an idiot&ungrateful daughter to Karen. I’m glad her brother slept her😂 Chip used her and didn’t even love her. He killed Ciji knowing she was pregnant with his baby. What a psycho. Karen should have slept that smug look on Abby’s face too. I’m glad she suffered through Olivia’s problems. Karma Abby was the worst mother. And she didn’t like when she thought Val&gary were gonna keep Olivia from her she went to Val’s house to get her. So I don’t no why she but in with Karen and Diana.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

Chip sister said it all at his grave sight he used women and throw them away.

How long do you think it would have taken before Chip (Tony) started beating Diana's ass? She's so lucky they never ran away together because he had a history of abusing women. With all of her mouth, I have the feeling he would have been smacking her around within 3 months.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

She did run away with him when she learned of his rap sheet as a wanted felon and tried too escape but he pursuade her ego into thinking 🤔 his innocent.

Diana is such a creepy daughter I never liked her character she didn't even have one redeeming qualitie. And she dressed bad.

@wutta-do5zy

2 ай бұрын

and the girl that played her is a horrible person too. Media brat born into it. She's AWFUL inside and out!

I'm Sorry. Is It from Dallas?

I'd like to see more of Lisa Hartman.

I wish Lilamae would have run Diana over instead of Chip.

Love Donna Mills' work as an actress in this scene. I much prefer the subtlety of her work in this scene over Michele Lee's usual, laying-it-on-thick acting that she was ALWAYS prone to doing during her time on Knots. I think that when most people think of the best actresses of the series they would cite Lee or Joan Van Ark, but Mills' work in comparison is underrated. Sure she was as famous as the other two, but I'm talking acting-wise. Also, probably because she always looked so good her actual acting talent wasn't given the attention it deserved (which is often unfairly the case with attractive actors; It's like you have to get unattractive to be taken seriously for your acting; Stupid).

@lecuyerdooley1084

5 жыл бұрын

@Sebastian Sutton I don't agree with that assessment at all. Karen is very direct when she is angry or impassioned. That is acting, and it is not over the top or "laying it on thick." It is a character-driven quirk Michele Lee brings to Karen. She feels VERY strongly whatever it is she feels, and she makes her feelings known. One thing I appreciate about all three actresses is that they can act more with just facial expressions than with any dialogue or vocal intonation. Here, you see that clearly both Donna and Michele are saying quite a bit in character without uttering a word, particularly toward the end.

@jackjackson9812

5 жыл бұрын

Joan Van Ark blew so many scenes out with her talent and acting...Mills and Lee were good but Van Ark was simply superb...no one else came close...she many times could act without saying any words...Valene and Van Ark was the show....Ted Shackelford was superb as well...

@wiibaron

5 жыл бұрын

Please! Only attractive people get to be actors. With very few exceptions.

@loveanimals6981

5 жыл бұрын

@@lecuyerdooley1084Another classic example on Knots Landing where Michele Lee did it all wrong in her acting (but no doubt many people probably thought she was great) was when Sid died as a result of injuries sustained in a car accident on the show. Again, Lee, I think, was trying to be all artsy or something with her acting choices when she chose to stay in a silent state of shock for some time immediately following the revelation of Sid's death at the hospital. Conversely, Mills, once again, I thought, did it the right way. She broke down and cried over her brother's death in the waiting room, as most people would realistically do in such a situation. Not get in a more than likely unrealistic near-catatonic state like Karen did.

@lecuyerdooley1084

5 жыл бұрын

@@loveanimals6981 whoa. Who are you to say there is one "realistic" way to respond to the sudden death of a spouse? In context, Karen's reaction is logical. She didn't want Sid to have the surgery, but he fought her and she relented. As she told Diana in the next episode, she was full of anger at Sid -- for helping the FBI, for having that risky surgery. She was experiencing a range of emotions at that moment and no one response would be "realistic." Not everyone breaks into tears!

Quelle season ?

@sergemesnil309

3 жыл бұрын

@Gilson Serafim comment ? Je ne comprends pas ce que vous dites

@Texaslawhorn

3 жыл бұрын

Season 5

@sergemesnil309

3 жыл бұрын

@@Texaslawhorn thank you

@Texaslawhorn

3 жыл бұрын

@@sergemesnil309 👌

The Divorce Seen Between Abby And Gary At The Ranch Is Great, But I Can't Find It.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

She got what she deserves.

Rule #1 of living in Knots Landing: *never* interrupt Karen when she’s on a roll (family be damned).

I don't think all the slapping in Knots Landing would fly today.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

It did for Dallas punching and slapping and diving in the southfork pool.

It would be so cool to bring back knot landing, but this time olivia turns out to be a real bitch, skimming and coniving just like her mother Abby, yet here is the twist, Abby now old and wise repents her actions, and trys very hard to make amends for her past action, making olivia her greatest enemy...just a thought.

@Queeniej53054

3 жыл бұрын

Old and wise?🤦🏻‍♀️🤣🤣🤣have you seen her in General Hospital? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️🤔

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@Queeniej53054I don't watch that but she should be in her mid fiftes by now imagine if knots landing was still on .

@Queeniej53054

Жыл бұрын

@@robertscott8344 oh I think Donna Mills is 82 years old going to be 83 in December, but she looks great, I think it’s good genes or cosmetic surgeries. Michele Lee is 81

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

@@Queeniej53054 thanks but I was referring to Olivia Tonya Crowe um certain of their ages.

@Queeniej53054

Жыл бұрын

@@robertscott8344 oh 52 years old 1971 soon to be 53 in January 2024 so 52 and a half.

K n o t s WAS A GREAT SHOW CBS AND TNT IS A FOOL TO NOT REBOOT THIS SHOW , JUST THINK HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WOULD RACK IF IT WAS A REBOOT

I tried to feel Sorry for Diana when her Brother Eric slapped her, but she deserved it for disrespecting their Mother. We can be angry without being disrespectful!

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

That only fead off her impulses and made her more defiant towards her mother.

Right on, everybody!

💙 ABBY 💙 GREG 💙 PAIGE 💙 Olivia 💙 Linda FAIRGATE 💙 Karen 💙 MAC 💙 the best 💙 aw 😨 poor Val

All this over Diana?

Karen was so sanctimonious

@stogiedad1

Жыл бұрын

Completely. I liked Karen much better with Sid.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@stogiedad1she was more of a house wife then with no business worshipping but when he died she took over his car lot

@stogiedad1

Жыл бұрын

@@robertscott8344 she was a lot less holier than thou at the start. I hated that they kept putting her in life threatening situations because you knew she would come out of them unharmed. It got old.

@wutta-do5zy

2 ай бұрын

I bet you heard Richard say that word a few times in the early episodes so now you're using it. Funny how that works isn't it?

@oiooi6460

2 ай бұрын

@@wutta-do5zy yawn . As if

Diana was such an entitled brat! How Michelle Lee didn't win an emmy is beyond words...

I don't remember her name but the girl playing Diana was an awful actress.

@damianlatimer5753

4 жыл бұрын

Claudia Lonow

@pillsie

4 жыл бұрын

@@damianlatimer5753 Thank you.

@damianlatimer5753

4 жыл бұрын

@@pillsie your welcome

Donna Mills was so hot back then! Jesus!

@darnellanders8768

5 жыл бұрын

she still is even today at 60 something.

@silandulo

4 жыл бұрын

Hell yea🙂

@damianlatimer5753

4 жыл бұрын

@@darnellanders8768 70 something

@damianlatimer5753

3 жыл бұрын

@@darnellanders8768 shes 79

@darnellanders8768

3 жыл бұрын

@@damianlatimer5753 omg time is flying bye..cant believe she is that old already..i know Ted Shackleford.. Gary aged quite a bit when he was on YR soap opera ten years ago. i'm pushing sixty still in good spirits yet it s hard but the only alternative is to die young..

Why couldn't they just have Karen be openly Jewish, why was it such a taboo then?

Abby unlike Diana had lines she wouldn't cross. Diana reminds me of JR, if he were a self centered, emotionally hostile teenage girl. Was it the shows intent to make Diana unlikable? She was, yet not nearly as scheming as Abby. She was never boring at least, but what a pain in the ass.

@CaptainSpalding72

5 жыл бұрын

It did not hurt the show one bit that she was unlikable . It was a good ironic does of reality for Pollyanna Karen.

@1965eroomdarb

5 жыл бұрын

Diana's character only turned into the problem child near the end of the 1982-1983 season in order to build up the conflict between she and Karen, which would then lead to Karen's drug problem. It was all planned and scripted in advance. Unfortunately, it made Diana's character irredeemable and she had to go. But it gave Michele Lee a chance to really take her character, and her acting chops, in a new direction.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

Her interrogation scene she did when she got question from the police had heart felt emotion too it.

@robertscott8344

Жыл бұрын

​@@1965eroomdarbirredeemable you mean Diana character wasn't no good knowing this is why your mother suffering from a drug addict?

I love Karen

true.What Abby to do? Is It just me or was Karen more atractive in the early seasons?

Karen shoulder pads are saying What to you? Join the conversation.

Drama, drama, drama...