Knit a Sock: Step 4 Turning the Heel

We're turning the heel! It feels like magic every time.
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HEEL TURN:
Slip the first stitch purlwise, and knit to halfway across the heel flap needle(s). Then knit 2 more stitches.
SSK (slip knitwise, slip knitwise, knit those two sts together through the back loop), K1
Turn your work
Slip 1, P5, P2tog (purl 2 together), P1
Turn your work
** Slip 1, knit to one stitch before the gap
SSK, K1
Turn your work
Slip 1, Purl to one stitch before the gap
P2tog, P1
Turn your work.
Repeat from ** until you've worked all the stitches on the heel flap needle(s)
Nice work! Have more chocolate and maybe even a celebratory adult beverage. You're ready to start the Gusset!
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Needles I'm using:
Chaiogoo 32" circular needle 2.25mm (US 1)
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  • @evelynkennemuth3350
    @evelynkennemuth33504 жыл бұрын

    Your heel turn method worked like a charm. Thanks for the explanation of how this works.

  • @renatelapa9316
    @renatelapa93167 ай бұрын

    You're a legend. Thank you so much! Making my first ever pair of socks and this is very helpful.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    7 ай бұрын

    You're so welcome!

  • @sueshapiro4546
    @sueshapiro45464 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the clear explanation of the slip stitch reinforcement on the bottom of the heel! Great video!

  • @ripleyhyland1885
    @ripleyhyland18858 ай бұрын

    Great tutorial! You make what seems so daunting, turning a heel, so clear . Thank you!

  • @jellydudette33372
    @jellydudette33372 Жыл бұрын

    I'm making my first pair of socks following another pattern, but was having trouble visualizing the heel turn. Your explanation was super clear and really helped me to see what I needed to be looking for :) Thank you!

  • @jenniferdouillard8683

    @jenniferdouillard8683

    4 ай бұрын

    I would like to second that. I had a written pattern before I tried this website, and I couldn't understand what they meant about the "clusters of stitches" but this video made it much clearer and easier to understand.

  • @cathytimbs7479
    @cathytimbs74794 жыл бұрын

    Light bulb moment! You always say, read your knitting, and I finally discovered that if I look at the purl side I could clearly see if an SSK or K2tog had been worked on the round before! Believe me, I am elated! Hope to eventually be able to “see” lots more! Thanks for your videos. I am understanding socks better with every try.

  • @bunkyman8097
    @bunkyman80972 жыл бұрын

    I always wondered about carrying on the heel flap reinforcement. Thanks, you made it easy. I definitely will do this my next pair of socks.

  • @kathleenmccrory7166
    @kathleenmccrory71664 жыл бұрын

    Thanks, and love the chocolate and adult beverage idea!

  • @heidijorg9469
    @heidijorg94692 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this. Your videos are clear and your explanations have helped SO much!

  • @michelleellis1290
    @michelleellis12903 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for making it so straight forward and explaining it all 🥰

  • @maicey_t.
    @maicey_t.2 жыл бұрын

    You are saving my life with these videos. I'm following a written pattern and it's not clear enough for someone who has never knit socks before. Thank you for the help!!

  • @toniharms5807
    @toniharms5807 Жыл бұрын

    I've made a few pairs of socks, but always followed a pattern to the T. Now I know how to make the gusset and heal with any amount of stitches on . Thanks so much!

  • @susanmcbride587
    @susanmcbride5872 жыл бұрын

    I've knitted a few pairs of socks but always had a hard time identifying where the gap was. When you said that it was where you turned the work I instantly understood. Just to be sure when I turned my work I added a clip-on marker. Seemed like extra work but I had the heel done in no time at all. It was perfect. That made my day. It was so basic. I'm making a toddler sock but your instructions helped so much.

  • @robertarnsworth2464

    @robertarnsworth2464

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm the same regarding the gap. But it seems she has two gaps? Am I misunderstanding? I think I need someone to sit beside me while I attempt this 😊

  • @delmahockett1747
    @delmahockett17472 жыл бұрын

    I’m on my 2nd sock and have lined up my slip stitches right this time on the heel turn! These socks are for me~next pair with size1needles and done right for a good friend!!! Thank You Jana😀

  • @sueketzlermalone7063
    @sueketzlermalone70633 ай бұрын

    You are an excellent teacher. Thank you❤

  • @p_broom426
    @p_broom4262 жыл бұрын

    I really like the slip knit pattern on the heel turn. I’ve always just knitted it.

  • @EmmanuelleBeaudoinRoy
    @EmmanuelleBeaudoinRoy8 ай бұрын

    This makes so much more sense now ! Thank you so much, I was following a pattern and I did not get this part at all !

  • @jennistevenson796
    @jennistevenson796 Жыл бұрын

    So grateful for the detail and clarity or this x

  • @ellenfuller4393
    @ellenfuller43934 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the lesson! I'll be starting and rewinding but I can see the light!

  • @Barbbfly
    @Barbbfly Жыл бұрын

    TY so much ! U r a good teacher dear . GBU all from Canada

  • @berniceboudreau292
    @berniceboudreau292 Жыл бұрын

    Love love your videos , very very well explained !!! I’m a new beginner 😊😊😊

  • @traceyblack3641
    @traceyblack36413 ай бұрын

    Love being able to do it step by step with you

  • @Upstreet100
    @Upstreet1003 жыл бұрын

    I needed your explanation. Thank you. It didn’t make sense on my pattern. I will be back for the gusset!

  • @MooCowKris
    @MooCowKris2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for this tutorial! I’m following a pattern to make my first pair of socks and I had no idea what it was talking about.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    You are so welcome!

  • @lauraannbrooks3810
    @lauraannbrooks3810 Жыл бұрын

    Great, clear 🧶

  • @cherylhuff1914
    @cherylhuff19142 жыл бұрын

    I’ve knit a lot of socks but never with such clear and complete instructions. The written directions accompanying the video are just what I’ve been needing. Thank you so much for this support!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful!

  • @janiceskiles3390
    @janiceskiles33902 жыл бұрын

    love these tutorials!

  • @beverlykerr6590
    @beverlykerr65902 жыл бұрын

    Such super practical teaching , thank you Jana. Knitting socks might well become my new favourite past time!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful!

  • @Shaki611
    @Shaki6112 жыл бұрын

    Your videos and tutorials are treasure, I save them in a list, so clear and easy to follow. Thank you!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'm so glad!

  • @daniellebeauregard5930
    @daniellebeauregard59308 ай бұрын

    just love the way you teach!!!👍

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    8 ай бұрын

    Thank you! 😃

  • @nanamag6
    @nanamag62 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for incredible instructions. You are so clear and make everything so simple!!! Glad I found your videos

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    You are so welcome!

  • @stephanieburchfield4751
    @stephanieburchfield47512 жыл бұрын

    Jana, this video is magic gold for me. Thanks so much for making it. I've watched it over and over as I'm almost ready to turn the heel and have deviated from the pattern. Knowing the formula helps so much!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @bettygraham818
    @bettygraham818Ай бұрын

    Just found you and I have learnt so much even after years of knitting socks ! I have only ever knitted a basic heel flap and have wanted to learn the shadow type you did in your last video. Next time ,I will follow your instructions slowly and try that heel. many thanks from Wales , uk.

  • @bettygraham818

    @bettygraham818

    Ай бұрын

    I forgot to say that you were much easier to watch knitting. english style. I find continental knitting videos a bit distracting. I use dpns which are easier for me but your circulars did not affect the lesson !

  • @matejmareth7239
    @matejmareth72393 жыл бұрын

    I cannot tell you how much this tutorial helped me knitting my first socks while following a pattern for the first tim as well. The visualization is perfect to grasp the basics of this technique!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    You are so welcome!

  • @marievandendriesen1024
    @marievandendriesen10242 жыл бұрын

    You make it so easy!! Thanks

  • @victoriawalker7792
    @victoriawalker7792 Жыл бұрын

    Finished my first pair of socks today, thanks to your tutorials. They're very good and I will recommend them to anyone who asks me how to knit socks.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    Жыл бұрын

    Great to hear!

  • @madmax0781
    @madmax07812 жыл бұрын

    Great video series helped me understand my pattern!

  • @saltedcaramelnutcoffee
    @saltedcaramelnutcoffee2 жыл бұрын

    Jana, After the 20th viewing I stopped counting! It works, I did it, wow! Incorporating the reinforcement was an excellent idea, it's so nice to feel a bit of cushion. The anchor for me was having the same amount of stitches on each side after the gap. My first sock has taken me 20 years, most of that time has been overcoming my fear. Thanks for being my guide in the journey.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for making my day with your comment. Well done with your socks!

  • @belindashort7191
    @belindashort71912 жыл бұрын

    loved the instructions thanks heaps

  • @DorrisCochranexploring
    @DorrisCochranexploring3 күн бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @annesmith3352
    @annesmith33523 жыл бұрын

    Thank you I enjoyed that now will have to wait till Sunday! Xx

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    This series is from last year. You can watch them all now!

  • @Joannewithane
    @Joannewithane3 жыл бұрын

    THANK you very much. EXCELLENT explanation of the heel turn!!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @susanmarynelson3362
    @susanmarynelson3362 Жыл бұрын

    That makes the pattern I have make sense! Happy bunny now

  • @karenkhan9638
    @karenkhan9638 Жыл бұрын

    I'm making a sock pattern read the pattern I had no understanding off how to do it until I watched your video thank you

  • @cynthiakurczewski4278
    @cynthiakurczewski42783 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video and formula! Kept me from tearing out my hair!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @luanagladys11
    @luanagladys112 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the formula. I love it for meditating. and calming. but I have to check with how you do it to get it right. Lu

  • @lauraannbrooks3810
    @lauraannbrooks3810 Жыл бұрын

    Simple and clear

  • @ukrosie
    @ukrosie2 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely best sock tutorial ever thank you so much I love my socks

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much 😊

  • @cameronblondino8287
    @cameronblondino82877 ай бұрын

    Helped so much!!

  • @leonbrown7230
    @leonbrown72302 жыл бұрын

    You have been indispensable as I knit my first pair of socks! I knit about one project a year and thus need uber instruction as I knit. The quality of your video is superb and lets me see exactly how to proceed! I'm still having trouble discerning the slip and knit stitches to remain in pattern, but who is going to look that closely at my heel within my shoe! LOL Thank you so much!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    You're welcome! Thanks for watching :)

  • @BERNINAofNaperville
    @BERNINAofNaperville2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @Ashirley
    @Ashirley2 жыл бұрын

    Thankyou so much for this video! I’ve been stuck on my sock for weeks!!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad I could help!

  • @dianastrub3669
    @dianastrub3669 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @sueshapiro4546
    @sueshapiro45464 жыл бұрын

    The heel turn is my favorite part!

  • @lynnetaylor8974
    @lynnetaylor89749 ай бұрын

    Great tutorial. Thanks.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    9 ай бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @dionysusfury3879
    @dionysusfury3879 Жыл бұрын

    Amazing

  • @clairemettewie9002
    @clairemettewie9002 Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love watching your video and have a great time doing my socks !

  • @lydiadaugherty5171
    @lydiadaugherty517110 ай бұрын

    Lively Music 🎶😊

  • @joanmachado9063
    @joanmachado90632 жыл бұрын

    Great video thank you

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @SarahBevElizabeth
    @SarahBevElizabeth3 жыл бұрын

    Omg my pattern left absolutely everything to the imagination, so I thank you!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad I could help!

  • @ronniecnv8579
    @ronniecnv8579 Жыл бұрын

    For a very narrow heel, can I sl 1 P3 P2 tog P1 and then turn? Asked another way. if I only purl 3 instead of your 5 stitches, how does that affect the rest of the sock? In your example, you knit half (18) PLUS 2. If I shorten Sl 1 P5 P2tog to Sl P3 P2tog, does anything else change?

  • @Christine-oq2jq
    @Christine-oq2jq4 жыл бұрын

    💜

  • @neelie5182
    @neelie51823 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for teaching me how to knit a sock :) I have knitted a few so far :) I am now knitting my first fair isle sock and it is going well :) I am up to the heel flap and I would like to know if it is possible and if u have an instructional video on it....if I can make my heel flap in alternating vertical lines using the sl1, k1 etc...I want blk and wt lines thank you

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    I don't have a video specifically on that, but sure, you could definitely alternate colors. You wouldn't even need to slip any of the stitches because you're already carrying a float behind your work by alternating colors. The float is what creates the extra padding and reinforcement. Happy Knitting!

  • @tanyanuttall2429
    @tanyanuttall24292 жыл бұрын

    Not just about this particular video but to thank you for all the videos, f/b group and tutorials. I just wanted to ask if there was a way of making a single small donation instead of patreon? I've so appreciated your customisable sock pattern (not an experienced knitter but started to go down the rabbit hole of socks!) and just wanted to thank you for that and the videos which explain so much.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for showing your appreciation with your comments and watching the channel. If you'd like to support the channel with a one time gift, you can use PayPal. My email is jana@purltogether.com

  • @lindachandler2293
    @lindachandler22933 жыл бұрын

    I had a restless night and had tossed and turned for 2 hours. Just as I was almost ready to drop off to sleep, my voice yelled in my head 'Linda, you didn't turn the heel!' Instantly awake, I thought darn...I didn't. I was half way through the foot part! Watching too much tv as I was knitting, I guess. But really...I couldn't have thought this much much earlier 😭

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    Did you get right up and turn that heel?

  • @lindachandler2293

    @lindachandler2293

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PurlTogether No. But I should have. By the time I stopped thinking about it, I could have fixed it.

  • @jsnsholle
    @jsnsholle3 ай бұрын

    3:00 start of slip stitch turn

  • @rescueumbrella
    @rescueumbrella5 ай бұрын

    It's not just confusing - it's a bad case of overthinking.

  • @jasondamours1874
    @jasondamours18743 жыл бұрын

    This was super helpful! Quick question, though. I'm knitting a sock magic loop with 18 stitches on each side. Will this method still work if I follow the same guidelines? Slip 1pw, knit half + 2, ssk, k1, turn; and then slip 1pw, and purl 5? Or should I adjust the number I'm working on each needle to account for the fact that I have fewer stitches? Thank you!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    That formula will work regardless of the amount you cast on originally. Thanks for watching!

  • @Natalie-hg3gh
    @Natalie-hg3gh2 жыл бұрын

    I'm a little confused what to do when there's only one stitch left on either side of the gap. I know you talked about it but since that is normally the stitch you would use for the ssk or p2tog, do you do that and forgo the normal row ending knit or purl? Or do you back up the ssk or p2tog by one stitch (stopping two sts before the gap) so you can still get in the ending knit or purl on the last stitch ? For this question I'm also assuming normal stockinette for the heel turn cause I'm not sure I'm ready to tackle it in eye of partridge.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you only have one stitch after the gap, just ssk or p2tog to close the gap and omit the last stitch.

  • @Stephlovesnapping
    @Stephlovesnapping4 жыл бұрын

    Can’t wait to start this! I’m a little confused about identifying the knits & slips. The “sunken” row is the knit & the raise one is the slip? Is that right? I don’t want to screw that up. Thanks in advance. Great video! ♥️

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes! The ridges are the slipped stitches.

  • @Stephlovesnapping

    @Stephlovesnapping

    4 жыл бұрын

    Purl Together Thanks! You know I’m a Nervous Nelly! 🤣

  • @violacorbett193
    @violacorbett193 Жыл бұрын

    Could I get the written instructions please. Having a problem turning the heel.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    Жыл бұрын

    www.purltogether.com/patterns

  • @robertarnsworth2464
    @robertarnsworth24642 жыл бұрын

    Is the goal to move the gap to near the end of the needle? Is that how the yarn ends up at the end of the needle when the heel is done?

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yep

  • @deepseavalkyrie559
    @deepseavalkyrie5594 ай бұрын

    I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. I'm using a different number of stitches, and I keep ending up with a gap before the last stitch on each side that i have to ssk/p2g to close, but then there's no additional stitch after that to purl or knit into the back of

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    4 ай бұрын

    that's totally ok. As you've noticed, depending upon your stitch count, you may or may not have a stitch left over to knit or purl at the end. Just close the gap with your decrease, turn your work and carry on!

  • @karenmclain5805
    @karenmclain58052 жыл бұрын

    i don"t see any written instructiions below? is there a website or facebook page Jana?

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    There are instructions in the video description. You need to click SHOW MORE.

  • @calebtucker8229
    @calebtucker82292 жыл бұрын

    How do I adjust the pattern for less number of stitches on the needles?

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    Have you read the written instructions shown in the video description? This is a recipe or method that is applicable to any cast on number. Check out the written instructions and let me know if you have further questions.

  • @o0oMysticdragono0o
    @o0oMysticdragono0o4 жыл бұрын

    Because of my pattern I have an odd number on the side I am putting the heel on...31...how would you work this? Thank you for this, I have enjoyed following this...usually I make toe-up socks and have liked learning a new way to make socks

  • @o0oMysticdragono0o

    @o0oMysticdragono0o

    4 жыл бұрын

    I did it...I added my extra odd stitch as the part of your knit 5 instead I had 6 and everything else fell in place...my heel looks great...ready for the next step...GREAT TEACHING

  • @laurelyoung5313

    @laurelyoung5313

    4 жыл бұрын

    4

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wonderful!

  • @zoeprimrose2309
    @zoeprimrose23092 жыл бұрын

    I’m having trouble here: my starting number of stts is 33 (1/2 of 66). Center point = ? +2. I chose 17 (1/2 of 34). So, no matter what, I’m uneven. Is this a problem?

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 жыл бұрын

    It would be better to have an even number to that your heel will be symmetrical from side to side.

  • @alicedampmanhumel8139
    @alicedampmanhumel81394 жыл бұрын

    are you supposed to end up with the same number of stitches you started with? I never seem to. I started out with 16 and ended up with 18. I think I am following your excellent instructions, so I am curious.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure what you mean. You had 16 sts on your needle when you began which part?

  • @alicedampmanhumel8139

    @alicedampmanhumel8139

    4 жыл бұрын

    Turning the heel. 64 sts ,m, so 32 for the heel. After I turned the heel, did all the decreases, I was left with 18. The last decrease on both sides was ssk/p2tog, whereas you had a single st left after your last decrease (I think). So maybe I am doing something wrong. BTW, I love having an “action” round and a plain round! Makes it so easy to keep track.

  • @knit1924
    @knit1924 Жыл бұрын

    Hi, as a left handed knitter, people are saying that I should do a k2tog instead of an ssk, whenever I see one in the pattern. Also they say I should do an ssk in place of a k2tog. Is that correct? Thank you for the wonderful videos!! I love your channel!!

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    Жыл бұрын

    You'll want to create a decrease that leans toward the toe of the sock. So whichever one that works for you as a lefty

  • @knittymama570
    @knittymama5704 жыл бұрын

    Great video. So when you said "wear point", my brain translated it to were-point, then I went downhill and remembered Young Frankenstein: Inga: Werewolf!! Dr. F: Werewolf? Igor: There. Dr. F: What? Igor: There wolf. There castle. Dr. F: Why are you talking like that? Igor: I thought you wanted to 🤣

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    4 жыл бұрын

    LOL! maybe a movie I should watch...

  • @knittymama570

    @knittymama570

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@PurlTogether Oh definitely!

  • @amethystskeels3788
    @amethystskeels3788 Жыл бұрын

    A long time ago, in I believe English knitter guilds, women were considered not smart enough to turn the heel and had to give up the job to the knitting master until the heel and gusset are finished and I believe also to close off. It's weird the things people made up to make others feel inferior...

  • @bozenaaugustyn4667
    @bozenaaugustyn4667 Жыл бұрын

    Where is the generic formula for number of stitches ?

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    Жыл бұрын

    You can find the heel flap & turn instructions here www.purltogether.com/patterns

  • @rebeccafelker8851
    @rebeccafelker88513 ай бұрын

    A little too fast for me, keep having to stop and go back. Thank You though.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    2 ай бұрын

    Have you tried adjusting the playback speed setting?

  • @SilverCottage
    @SilverCottage3 жыл бұрын

    This was great until somewhere around the 4th row when you get fast and sloppy. Your fingers obscure your work and aren't coordinated with what you are rushing to say, and then you've got that yarn over which confused me, and I hesitated, and by that time I had lost my place inthe instructions and now I have NO idea where to pick up. I will try to refer to the directions that you've posted and if that doesn't work I might have to watch the video all over again to see where I got left in the dust. I'm sure if I was an expert knitter, I would be so thrown off at this point, but I wonder if you only want experts watching your videos? I'm not going to give up, though. I hope I can catch up. I've been watching all sorts of videos,and your descriptions are generally much better than anyone elses that I've seen. I loveKZread but this situation is the ONLY time I really wish I had a live person here to help me. I'll soldier on, though and hope to catch up.

  • @PurlTogether

    @PurlTogether

    3 жыл бұрын

    Feel free to post in the Ravelry or Facebook group (links are in the video description) if you're having a problem. I'm sure we can help you get sorted out.

  • @SilverCottage

    @SilverCottage

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@PurlTogether Thanks so much! I'm active on Facebook so will go to your group there. I feel I am JUUUUUST on the edge of being able to do this. I have to create my own patterns because my feet are two different sizes, and the width of one is about an inch wider than even an XL pattern. See you on the flip side!