Really appreciate this video. Helped me figure that my intake is the klg4. Now just to figure how the heck to make the throttle body IAC work bc the intake has no line to run to it

@pgtmr2713

11 ай бұрын

Did you figure out how to get the TB straightened out? Sorry about the response time. Pretty sure it has to be a KLDE or ZE TB to work unless it' a 98+ 626.

Fascinating and super informative bro! I never knew or Seen the differences explained like this b4...Just pulled an intake manifold off of what seemed to be a klde in a 97 probe gt... I have a 95 klde and this manifold looked slightly different than mine but basically the same..the dude had the phenolic spacers on the manifold.. didnt see the metal gaskets at all on this one, I think it was just the spacer and some rtv for seal... question: if I use the spacers , do u recommend using a metal stock intake gasket set on each side of the phenolic spacers? meaning, 4 metal gaskets total? I would think rtv risky becuz its residue could wreck the O2 sensors and cat.. what do u think? one last question: im starting to get that clattery noise at idle..its minimal or not noticeable when cold starting but theres quite a clatter when warmed up and its at idle speeds.. is this the timing belt tensioner or the noise from the gears on the end of the cams, forgot the proper name.. its Not HLA noise... the noise is from that area around the timing belt covers but cams or tensioner, its tuff to tell

@pgtmr2713

Жыл бұрын

The sound is probably the cam tensioner spring. First determine that by taking off the timing covers, see if the noise is coming from in the head or I've personally never changed one out. There is an extra tooth on one of the gears and one ring of gears has some movement, the spring tensions one gear against the other. I'm not sure exactly how to remove and replace them, but it should be possible, might need to buy the exact wrench to spin the nut off. Probably need to take the cams out and have friend control the cam with a couple other wrenches to get the cam spring area apart. I don't think soaking it in solvent will loosen up the problem, I think the spring gets weak. But you may need some brake cleaner to get rid of the residue while you're in there. Take a look at everything first. I once had the outer pulley loosen up and destroy the pin in the cam, so if that pulley has to come off tq to spec and use some blue threadlocker whatever is advised in a manual. My car came with phenolic spacers on the DE that was in it. My understanding is you can use them with no gaskets. Maybe try the copper spray gasket, a thin coating on each side and let it dry for awhile before putting them in. When I did it with a KLG4 intake it developed a leak after awhile from the gasket spray. Probably was too thick to dry properly. It's probably best to use one set of gaskets, no spacers and mod elsewhere. The difference is unnoticeable. Idle issues will be. I got my most recent gaskets on Ebay. They were really cheap like $11 a set, same as what the part store had for $40. Let me know what you find.

is that KLZE curved neck for the K8ZE 1.8L or the KFZE 2.0L ?

@pgtmr2713

9 ай бұрын

The KLZE curved neck is for the Millenia 2.5l. It came as a KLZE in Japan. The same intake also came on KLDE engines in most Millenias with the KL. It can be found paired with DE heads, cams, and pistons. 95 Millenias came with ZE heads, and curved necks, otherwise DE engines. Just going off memory. The 95 ZE heads and intake part I can confirm since I pulled a set of ZE heads from one. Curved neck KLZE made 199hp, straight neck 200hp, the rest 180hp.

The straight neck ZE has the high end cams right? And the curved has mid range cams? Or do I have it backwards?

@pgtmr2713

7 жыл бұрын

The straight neck has the better cams, pistons, square port heads and intake manifold. Best one with 200hp 170tq The curved neck ZE from overseas could have the pistons, maybe the cams... most likely though will have DE cams and DE pistons, with square intake runners and heads. 190hp - 180hp The 95 Millenia has ZE heads with DE cams, DE pistons and curved neck ze intake. Later than 95 might have DE heads, might also have ZE heads, put together with the curved neck ZE intake. 180 If the engine has the ZE pistons and cams it should have higher compression numbers. I believe 220 is what they should read for a good engine. Maf swap combined with any of these should make a little more power.

@BuckeyeBallistics

7 жыл бұрын

So where can I trust getting a 200hp straight neck ZE from? I have heard of people getting a straight neck intake on a weaker engine; they got took.

@pgtmr2713

7 жыл бұрын

That can happen, but, it's less likely if you are organized, ask questions, document, have the seller document, get pictures from them, compression numbers, take pictures as you open the crate when you get it. Stuff like that. PT has a good thread on that. If anything doesn't feel right about the deal or the seller walk away. I got mine from a guy that had it shipped himself. He prepped the engine and his car got wrecked before he could put the engine in. So it sat for 7-8 years in his garage and had never been used in the states. He had pictures of the cams and how clean it was under the VC, was uncertain about the compression numbers having tested it and gotten low numbers. The seller seemed honest and as it turns out was 100%. The compression was fine, may have been low from a lack of oil somewhere from sitting, or maybe valves weren't seated right after switching the springs and retainers until it was run. Have them show you under the valve cover, so you can see the cam numbers and state of things, silver good, black sludge bad. Have them get a picture of the head casting stamp between the manifold that will confirm the head is square port. KL31s have an EGR block off plate on the rear head and a missing threaded allen plug on the driver's side of the engine rear head (probably won't be able to see that in a pic.) that goes to the EGR passage. Rear exhaust manifold will have no EGR hookup either otherwise looks like a DE manifold. KL31 block will not have a VIN tag, because Japan did not use VIN The only thing you can't confirm like that is the pistons, but compression numbers should be higher than a DE.

@BuckeyeBallistics

7 жыл бұрын

Damn bro, thanks for all the info. You sure know your ZE shit. It's hard to find info like this on this swap of yesteryear. I noticed they are even becoming scarce on the jdm import sites. I'm not sure how much of what you have recommended I could get an engine import site to do for me, but I'll try if I ever do the swap. There are some on ebay sometimes from importers. Right now I am trying to downsize from my 10 cars and pay off some debt so my plate is a little full. If I keep it I'll be posting a video with side exit exhaust. I probably will? I'll just keep it for backup and fuck with it here and there, then maybe later I can get a ZE in there. It'd be a sleeper. It looks shitty as fuck with the rear hatch having rust holes on it and clear coat peeling and all. Eventually I will get a nice one.

@pgtmr2713

7 жыл бұрын

Guns&Cars Forums are a great source of information, sometimes parts too. There are carbon fiber hatches out there. It's searchable through google. Engines are expensive so a good seller will try to show what they have is good.

Dam i mis that engine both KL-DE AND KL-ZE I want another probe GT or GTS model . I prefer the straight neck over the curved neck.

@pgtmr2713

5 ай бұрын

I still have mine. Had some issues. Destroyed the crank. I swapped in one from a DE. We'll see if it holds together. The woodruff key got mashed ruined the slot on the crank. It ran til the pulley spun. Took forever to figure out because the timing was good. The other thing I broke some bolts that hold the front to back crossmember off. Have to drill them out and find new ones.

@user-nj9vh4in4q

5 ай бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 Dam bro that sucks I had a Friend he also had a 96 GT with boostcn remember the turbo size it was he was running about 10lbs of boost and about maybe 8psi at the Crank it made 314hp but it was well tuned KL-DE with the long neck KL-DE intake. It's better less compression than the KL-ZE less like to blow up

@user-nj9vh4in4q

5 ай бұрын

I need to make a correction I'm sorry klde block with the klze long neck intake there we go sorry buddy I just want to correct that

@pgtmr2713

5 ай бұрын

@@user-nj9vh4in4q It's all good. The KLZE is the NA monster, with the primal scream. I think if I ever go turbo I'll get some KJ rods. I enjoy that it's very oem Mazda stock parts. Except for the valve springs

Learned a lot here so I guess this motor I picked up from this kid has KL1a1 on both heads but has a klze curved neck is a klde motor still? Will those runners on the Intake even match?

@pgtmr2713

3 ай бұрын

That could be a DE with ZE heads and intake. ZE blocks have no vin tag. ZE have 200-220 psi compression. DE have 180-200. ZE cams have different numbers on them so you can check under the valve covers. 95 Millenia came with ZE heads and intake. There also was a curved neck ZE which had all the ZE stuff and a curved neck intake. So you'll have to figure out what you have.

@Tantobuds619

3 ай бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 I don’t see a vin tag , and pulled the front valve cover. Top cam says kl01 -431 and bottom one says kl01-451 not sure what else I should be looking for??? Do I need to remove the rear valve cover and pull the intake off as well?

@pgtmr2713

3 ай бұрын

@@Tantobuds619 The VIN tag would be on the back of the block, driver's side. If you watch my video "Boombox2," I show off the spot on the block for the vin tag at around 2:00 minutes in. The cams you can check the numbers on Probetalk. I don't remember those off hand. When you put the valve cover back on make sure to put a tiny amount of sealant at the ends wherever the gasket comes to a point. Just a small dab in the corner so it doesn't leak. Don't overtighten the bolts either, it's real easy to break off the outside screw holes. If you checked the front cams that's all you need. It will tell you which set it is.

My #1 vris at the throttle body where it connects the valve to the butterflies shakes and vibrates makes a lot of noise .I want to put a klze intake manifold on my klde 96 Ford probe gt

@pgtmr2713

3 жыл бұрын

Is it hooked up properly? By that I mean the c-clip on the stem that keeps the rod on. I had one of those disappear once. So far as the intake goes, I don't know where you'd find a straight neck without the engine. Back in the day you could find one on ProbeTalk. Curved neck off a Millenia could work for you. Or KLG4 from a 98+ 626. KLG4 would be easier to sort. Have to use a kl03 or kl47 throttle body on that one due to the wires/TPS type. The curved neck has different EGR, may be wired backwards. Ebay for the gaskets. I got 2 pair ZE gaskets for $11 shipped once. You have to block off the EGR, at the valve, or it will leak at the ZE gaskets between the head and the IM. ZE gaskets only partially cover the EGR PORT.

@pgtmr2713

3 жыл бұрын

OR... a complete ZE swap takes about 2 hours out, 2 hours in. Check prices it may be worth it. Engine hoist cost me $175.

@Scorpion_milk

3 жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 it a stock klde with EGR blocked off with metal gasket and at the exhaust but still plugged in and I don't have the stock air box and all that and the vacuum line that would have went to the box I have it before the mass air which is stock in just a big air filter . But the clip is still on the stem I can make a video and post it on KZread and show you one day and know doubt I want to do a KL ze swap and megasquirt ECU in the future I'm in Virginia no emissions

@Scorpion_milk

3 жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 or I can send you a video on Instagram if you have one

@pgtmr2713

3 жыл бұрын

@@Scorpion_milk lol I have KZread... so you're missing the spring that closes the vris valve?

Is this how you distinguish these engines apart because I don't see the engine number anywhere

@pgtmr2713

3 жыл бұрын

The intake is one way. If you look between the runners of the intake while it's on the car, you should be able to see a stamp on the rear head that will tell you which heads it's got. KL31-1A1 for example, Is a rear KLZE head. On the back of the block, driver's side just below the head is the Vin tag. Unless it's JDM then it won't have a vin tag at all. 3 sensors by the coolant neck 93 engine. Everything else after only has 2, one for the computer, one for the dash. one is a sensor the other is a "sender" At the front sticking out near the filter is a oil pressure sensor with one wire. The older ones 93-94-95 are fat and send the pressure to the dash, newer ones are smaller and only show pressure or no pressure. KLG4' have solid lifters, cast cranks, same compression as a DE, 98+ 626. 95 Millenia might have ZE heads might not, I found one that did otherwise same as a DE, later years had DE heads

Hey man do you still have klze stuff? Or do you know where to source parts from?

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

Engine importers and junkyards. Maybe a Mazda forum.

@RapidX0531

2 жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 damn you still answered !! sick. sadly no engine importers are capable of that and junkyard in my country doesnt have anything good :/

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

@@RapidX0531 You can get 95 Millenia heads and intake. 95 only should have KLZE heads, and the curved neck is only 1 hp down from a straight neck. Then put together a MAF swap with 98+ Millenia ECU, MAF, and IAT. The ecu will work with the intake. You won't have the cams or pistons, but that combo with ebay headers can get a nice little boost in power.

@RapidX0531

2 жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 that sounds good thanks man, ill try to look around here. but if you have some parts yourself you can tell me and i pay for them and shipping aswell!!

@pgtmr2713

2 жыл бұрын

@@RapidX0531 Nothing to sell. I keep even old broken parts in case I need something.

Will using a K8 intake on a KL01 be an issue? I'm using the stock ECU and harness from my MX3 and the KL01 has a different set of wiring connections.

@pgtmr2713

4 жыл бұрын

You're confusing the VRIS valves with the VAF. K8 intake is too small for a KLDE. And VRIS valve will be wired to the VRIS of the K8 ecu. The VAF should be the one for the k8 with k8 ecu. It reads backwards from the klde VAF.

@joerogandlchairexpansion786

4 жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 So is there any issue with using the KL01 manifold on a K8 ECU?

@joerogandlchairexpansion786

4 жыл бұрын

Do I need to swap around connectors between the two manifolds? Or do I need a KL01 ECU?

@joerogandlchairexpansion786

4 жыл бұрын

Do you have somewhere I can message you on so I can send you pictures of what's going on?

@pgtmr2713

4 жыл бұрын

@@joerogandlchairexpansion786 It should work as it is swapping the engine in. Both ECUs operate the same sensors. You can and should ask around more like say on MX6.com or another Mazda forum where you can look these things up. The KLDE ECU would be the right one for a KLDE engine. KL01 isn't a thing. In Europe they call a KLDE a KL03 sometimes, but it's physically all the same engine. That said I would try to run it on the k8 ecu, it should be fine. I would also do the MAF swap, which gets rid of the VAF and uses a 98+ Millenia ECU. This will make the most power and be the most efficient. You can make it plug and play either yourself or you can buy it from a guy that sells it. I can run my KLZE off of a 95 KLDE ECU (due to a 95 distributor) and I also have the MAF swap. I can feel it make more power in the upper RPMs. Don't forget year can be an issue depending on the distributor your MX-3 had

I am about to buy a Mazda MX-6. How can i recognize that it is a Mazda MX-6 J spec, with the KL-ZE engine?

@pgtmr2713

Жыл бұрын

KLZE block doesn't have a VIN. KLZE front head says KL31-1A1 looking between the intake runners, the cams have different numbers from a KLDE. Compression should be 200-220 for a ZE, 180-200 for a DE, BUT could be lower if it hasn't run, or cranks slow from the battery or is worn out. My ZE had low compression from sitting many years. Perked right up once in the car. Visually the intake should be the straight neck KL31. Maybe a scope down the spark plug hole if you want eyes on the ZE pistons. Pretty cool finding an MX-6 out there for sale!

@louismichael6204

Жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 KL31-101 is the rear head, KL31-1a1 is the front. That is what i have been informed in a FB group. Do you agree?

@pgtmr2713

Жыл бұрын

@@louismichael6204 That sounds correct. You should be able to easily see the KL31-1A1. The rear head will be difficult to see if not completely obscured. BUT, it wouldn't run right at all with mismatched heads. A KLZE rear head won't have an EGR valve hanging off of it.

@louismichael6204

Жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 Do you have any FB preferably or IG maybe?

@pgtmr2713

Жыл бұрын

@@louismichael6204 Nope. There's nothing that can't be answered here.

Hi, can you put me in contact with who sells a 200hp klze curved neck? thanks

@pgtmr2713

4 жыл бұрын

It's either luck to find one or buy a straightneck and swap the intake over.

@andreabiffi1540

4 жыл бұрын

@@pgtmr2713 can you tell me who sells curved or straight?

@pgtmr2713

4 жыл бұрын

@@andreabiffi1540 There are JDM engine sellers online. You can look em up. I'd got a Mazda site first, to see which ones have ehat reputation. Edit: the curved intake itself you can get from a Mazda Millenia in a junkyard.

@bigmac2385

3 жыл бұрын

I just got a question if I was to swap the intake manifold off my KLDE for a KLZE intake manifold would that make the engine a KLZE? Thanks if you respond to this👍

@zaccaria9769

3 жыл бұрын

@@bigmac2385 Nope. There's a lot more to a KLZE then just the intake manifold.It uses a KL31 ecu- Flat top pistons and more aggressive cams which gives it a higher compression -square runners and ports.KLDE with a ZE intake is a waste of time and money.