Funny how they're both correct and wrong. Thats what makes clash of ideals interesting.

@kaigaikarano

2 жыл бұрын

kiritsugu and saber ideals is like a flip of coin. both nor a right or wrong. But that side of the coin will never meet.

@fosphor8920

2 жыл бұрын

a very good way of thinking about this clash, wp

@phong.w4829

2 жыл бұрын

But Kiritsugu ideology is more real and can apply to this world Sometimes you just have to get your hands dirty to get something done Saber’s Idealistic Bs won’t work in real world not one bit lol and that’s the reason why government around the world has it’s own darkside

@injuredjavriel

2 жыл бұрын

@@phong.w4829 Tbf it's not like Kiritsugu ideology works better, he gave up on humanity and searched the holy grail because he didn't believe that the human race could bring peace by itself. He used that as a excuse to keep himself from going insane while doing all kinds of evil around the world, in name of the greater good. While it's true that honor and a noble attitude won't bring happiness and peace alone, they're still a important part of fighting for making the world a better place, it's just like Saber said, Kiritsugu's bloody methods would only bring rage and pain to everyone, even to the people around him. At the end of the day, Kiritsugu's ideal it's still pretty childish, instead of accepting that world peace it's impossible and just doing his part in making the world a little bit better, he gave up everything he had to pursuit the Holy Grail.

@phong.w4829

2 жыл бұрын

@@injuredjavriel but if the grail is not corrupted his plan would have works just fine tho, the world peace will be achieved and all the sacrifices will be worth it in the end It’s just a bad luck that the grail happened to be corrupted in the previous Grail war

Kiritsugu speaking some true words there. There isn't any nobility, holy reasoning or heroism on the battlefield. Only death and endless suffering is to be found and the hope that it will be over as soon as possible. Just look at all the (world) wars and Ukraine atm. Somebody really think throwing 2 nukes on Japan for example has some heroism to it? Like killing thousands upon thousands of civilians is noble or heroic? Or the Blitzkrieg of the Germans or how the Allies bombed down German Cities or like millions upon millions of soldiers and civilians alike died in WWII? There's a reason why civilians and soldiers get traumatized on the battlefield and can't function in normal society properly anymore. War is true hell on earth. Never forget that...

@dytgyfgyffuh243

Жыл бұрын

It's kind like pain speech of the cycle of hatred from naruto

@zuuraxs

10 ай бұрын

yeap bro

@tt-el1jd

9 ай бұрын

I'm glad that you felt that way after watching this animation. There are some things that can be conveyed only because Japan knows the hell of nuclear bombs. There is no glory in war. What is happening in Ukraine, Israel and other countries today, and the current state of this world hurts me terribly😢 May the world be at peace. Thank you.

@brandonkukumayeyi6048

7 ай бұрын

fax man

Just finished this anime few hours ago and wow! what a journey it was. Kiritsugu is such a complicated character, which is rare to find nowadays in anime.

@LeoJay

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh i'm sorry they don't make characters as deep and complicated as you are, just how dare they not live up to your elite standards?

@pluto9837

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeoJay If u wanna cry or something go somewhere else. It's u who be like " how dare u having different standards than mine, ur an elitist for that". And hey! Nice self encouragement by liking ur own comment.

@flyjunior15

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit, they made him. Better than western animation crap.

@hououinkyouma3864

Жыл бұрын

​@Leo >NOOOOOO STOP ASKING THEM TO MAKE EFFORT I LOVE MY WHOLESOME ONE DIMENSIONAL PROTAGONIST This is literally how you sound like

@abdulmuhammad-wc9do

8 ай бұрын

Amen!!!!!

This is the reason why FZ is still my no 1 even after all these years. The more you rewatch it, the better it gets.

Thank you. Was waiting for this

The dude on the middle right, not sure how it actually went in his reaction video but he does love to talk over important dialogue lmao 🤣🤣

Kiritsugu is like a adult explaining to a literal child about the realities of war.

@wrought-ironheroEMIYA

10 күн бұрын

which doesnt make any sense consideration Artoria has seen far worse causes of war than he has. This entire scene doesnt make any sense contextually

Kiritsugu emiya: I heard that some kid with a weird scar on his will have the best anime in the world 10 years from now and I also heard that some american pop singer is the main villian.

cant wait for the future eps

Caster and ryunoske talking about God next pls

@ur_tiger469

11 ай бұрын

As a Christian that is one of my favorite conversations not going to lie

All the nations, were built up with bloods and lives.

"Ehren? Mein Sohn ist im Krieg gefallen. Er empfindet keine Ehre." A quote from the Netflix movie based on the novel All Quiet on the Western Front. It translates as "Honor? My son was killed in the war. He doesn't feel any honor." There is nothing to be gained from war, neither fame nor glory. Honor is only bestowed upon those who are distant from the fighting, mentally or physically or both. The delusional only find honor in the needless murdering of another nations people let alone it's defenders. The only pride in war is successfully defending your home and your loved ones from outside barbarians who wish to raze them to the ground. There is only pain and suffering in war.The more recent ones have shown us what horrible nightmares the idea of honor and heroism on the battlefield have encouraged. What honor is there to be found in killing the enemy slowly and painfully using chlorine or mustard gas just to take a few meters of land? What is so heroic about torching another man alive just to capture a trench? What glory is there to be found in committing genocide to a group of people because they didn't fight as hard as you expected them too in the name of the Emperor? Let's take it back a couple centuries, to relate to Arthur / Artoria. What glory was there in invading a group of people repeatedly simply because their religious practices are different than yours? You share the same God the prophets are the only things different. Each soldier that had fallen in these wars all had families and friends, children of their own back home and these wars took them away from their loved ones, often times slowly and painfully, because of petty squabbles between politicians. The only thing heroic about war is when you're defending your homeland. And even then the soldiers we hail as heros often times don't feel as such deep down. I've met plenty of Vietnam veterans and a majority of them, not all of them, felt like they've lost their humanity when taking a life or watching their friends / comrades die. "In the end, there will be no one left. We are no longer innocent. We are lost from this world. From home, we no longer believe in such things. We only believe in war." - All Quiet on the Western Front by Erich Maria Remarque "War is when the young and stupid are tricked by the old and bitter into killing each other." - Niko Bellic, Grand Theft Auto IV

Thanks you

このシーンが1番好きだから、色々な反応が見られて素晴らしい動画(っ´ω`c)

@user-ln9jb6vi2l

2 жыл бұрын

マジ、(╭☞•́⍛•̀)╭☞それな このシーンずっと待ってた！

@user-bz3es7vw7y

2 жыл бұрын

切嗣のこの理念かなり賛否両論だけど、やっぱり好きだな

That execution felt more like a mercy kill anyway. The man was a vegetable. His only hope was winning the Grail War and that wasn't happening.

Honestly Saber has no grounds on this argument, there should be no joy in killing people, in crushing others dreams and their wish to just live until tomorrow. To say that there is chivalry in doing such actions is to say that it is right to kill others. Another layer that was introduced in this clash was how Saber is a fictional hero while Kiritsugu is a person who has lived in the real world. You can argue that Kiritsugu isn't right but there is no hard solid basis to say that Sabers ideology is in anyway correct.

@knightofthelake8112

Жыл бұрын

Lol that's not what saber is saying. She is saying you can't fight evil with evil and expect something good to come out of it since you are just creating more conflicts and cycles of hatred, which is true. She also pointed out that even when taking life when necessary, it should be done as a human act, not as a massacre. That's why there were rules and principles to uphold in war, how treat prisoners or how to accept surrender and avoid populated areas for large scale warfare. After all you don't wanna be in your house chilling just to get nuked because of someone else's war. Saber is spitting straight facts.

@user-yr4tk9vs7z

Жыл бұрын

​@@knightofthelake8112 no, because there are no place for honor on a battlefield. There are no noble fighters, there are only winners and losers. That's why Saber loses in all Holy Grail wars, Kiritsugu actually won the war but it's not his fault that the Grail was cursed.

@knightofthelake8112

Жыл бұрын

@@user-yr4tk9vs7z You talk like a manic, there should always be honor when it comes to war, unless you don't mind the winners doing whatever they want with your family if you lose as well as lose the rights you can get as a war prisoner 😑 The only reason saber lose isn't because of honor, it's because her masters are idiotic losers who can't even let her fight at full strength nor give her Avalon lmao Kiritsugu is just another traumatized overgrown child, that's why murder is always the first solution that comes to his mind, he literally had a self geass scroll that can forbid kayneth from anything that can cause him harm, but he decided to just kill him after torturing him both mentally and physically, heck let alone how he kidnapped his fiancee, war should have laws and principles.

@user-yr4tk9vs7z

Жыл бұрын

@@knightofthelake8112 How to say that you have no arguments in the dispute, without saying it: go to the individual, label. A little reminder to you that the daughter of Kiritsugu, whose protection was one of his main motivations, because of which he wanted to quit the whole war and stay with his wife and daughter, Gilgamesh cut out her eyes, gutted her and tore her heart out of her chest. Now Kiritsugu's words "The blood that will be shed in this war is the last" he perfectly understands that the method of saving the majority at the cost of a minority is not an option, his hope was the miracle of the Grail and, oh my God, it was he who won the war for the Grail, surprising for you, after which, sacrificing everything he set, sacrificing even the life of his daughter, he saves the world by destroying this ill-fated cup. And are you really going to tell what an honor there is in the war, having never been to it even once in your whole life? My grandfather fought against the Third Reich in the Great Patriotic War, where more than 20 million citizens of the Soviet Union died, my grandfather was in a concentration camp and saw the horrors of the war and are you going to tell how much honor is in the war? There is no honor in war if you haven't read novels, there are winners and there are losers. Now, in China, millions of Uighurs, my fellow tribesmen, people of the same nationality as me, are being killed, and where is your honor?

@knightofthelake8112

Жыл бұрын

@@user-yr4tk9vs7z Dude you are really delusional. Kiritsugu literally in-verse is called a man child by both narration and characters. His methods are extreme and lack any sense of priority because he is traumatized by what happened with shelee, his decisions literally fueled the Grail by the hatred it needed, angra feeds on these negative emotions, the pain and suffering the Grail war caused is one of the things that fuel it's rotten darkness, this is literally explained in the ubw route. Kiritsugu won? Yeah in a sense, but at what cost? He still literally caused nothing but destruction in the end either way, and died because of the curse of the Grail after losing everything. Gilgamesh did that to ilya to in a way give her some relief, because losing her sight allowed her to mistake a rock for berserker, who was literally her source of comfort. Kiritsugu on the otherhand crippled a man, took away everything he cared about ( both his professional and romantic life toxic though it may be), then tortured him mentally and had him drop out of the war, then gave him a moment of relief to just take away that hope and murder him and his fiance in cold blood while watching them suffer until artoria finished them off. In lord el meloi case files it is mentioned that the sight was so gruesome that ot traumatized waver for life who wasn't even there btw, Iri herself didn't even believe that Kiritsugu would actually kidnap Sola to force kayneth's hand and dispose of him like trash even it was within his ability not to do so, she actually thought those things weren't connected lmao. Like artoria said, Kiritsugu is a moron who tries to seek a miracle that might or might not be true even at the cost of committing inhuman atrocities like nothing, the LN of Zero even goes out of its way to say that he doesn't even think of any different ways to solve the issue, he sees an obstacle and so he kills whoever it is regardless of the means. There's something separates us from the vicious vikings and Saxons that Artoria was fighting against during her lifetime, that would be principles, if it was any other kingdom, artoria's rule would have created a perfect country, but since the world was rejecting Britain's existence, a lot of very inconvenient events had to take place at the same time to make sure it fails, heck according to merlin in Garden of Avalon, anyone other than Artoria wouldn't have been able to sustain Britain's existence for more than 5 years Whereas artoria did for 10 years lol, she literally took part of 12 DIFFERENT BATTLES AND WON EVERY LAST ONE. Principles and chivalry may not save the world, but they sure can help you create a better one, conflict however is part of human nature, rejecting it is rejecting humanity itself, but since it is avoidable, at least do your best to make sure less people suffer from it, that's what chivalry is for.

切嗣とセイバー ウェイバーとライダー それぞれの関係性が面白いよな。

First battle saber vs lancer

Funny how the unrealistic idealist is lecturing Saber on her ideals.

@Azuzu_Komagome

Жыл бұрын

Well in this instance kritsugu is more of a realist

@raidenn6266

Жыл бұрын

@@Azuzu_Komagome Cuz Saber was inaccurately written in Zero.

@ConjiYT

Жыл бұрын

Saber is one of the most sanctimoniously annoying characters I’ve ever seen in fiction.

@raidenn6266

Жыл бұрын

@@ConjiYT In zero? Yeah, I would agree. Hated her there. Fate Stay Night made me love her, both as a heroine and a villain.

@whateverwhatever4476

Жыл бұрын

@@Azuzu_Komagome he's not. Kiri doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. Shirou is more of a realist then he is

Berseker vs saber p pl is

The “I will kill everyone to ensure peace” plan has never worked in the history of anything. Whatever peace it brings tends to be very temporary. If the means must be nefarious, then Nagato’s idea from the Pain Arc is better: create an evil so large it serves as a deterrent. Even that doesn’t last. The best way to peace is still common interests: let peace be beneficial to both sides, co-operative peace, not a Cold War-type, deterrent-based peace. The worst way is still Kiritsugu’s way.

@keyki9832

2 жыл бұрын

common interests are also temporary, every country that are allies are of convenience and once things become inconvenient then they are no longer allies. They'll come up with some justifiable reason to fight but they will fight all the same and people will die. Its just how it is. I think someone once said that peace is just the intermission before the next war.

@RedGold999

2 жыл бұрын

That's not what Kiritsugu is saying though. His philosophy on the matter isn't "I will kill everyone to ensure peace," it's moreso "I will kill those that I need to in order to reach my goal," and this is in relation to the Holy Grail War itself, not world peace. His method to win this war is to kill both Master and Servant: Servants because he needs to for the Greater Grail to appear, and Masters because they might try to take revenge after losing their Servant. Kiritsugu never intended to use this method to achieve world peace, hence him entering the Holy Grail War. He knows that his "sacrifice the few to save the many" way of thinking won't work for world peace, as seen when he's conversing with Angra Mainyu. He wants a miracle, all to achieve world peace, and he's willing to kill anyone who gets in his way to achieve that DURING this Holy Grail War. This whole scene started because Artoria couldn't believe that Kiritsugu would want world peace after seeing his method to try and obtain the grail. His way of fighting a war is VASTLY different than Artoria's method of fighting a war. One has morals on the battlefield, the other one doesn't. One thinks the battlefield is a place of glory, the other one thinks its hell itself. One thinks that you should uphold certain rules when fighting to the death, the other thinks you should fight to stay alive, even if it means fighting dirty. Kiritsugu's methods are so foreign to Artoria, so monstrous in her eyes that she cannot believe that Kiritsugu desires world peace, but he is just using the most efficient and sure-fire way he knows to reach the grail. He's not going to kill EVERYONE to obtain it, he's going to kill the masters of the servants he fights (he didn't fight Iskandar, so he didn't kill Waver). On another note, this is something that is mirrored in the real world. Before decent guns were used in wars, glory WAS thought to be found on the battlefield in many places. Soon after the start of World War I, many of the participating countries had this false vision shattered. The honorable and satisfying death from making a charge into the enemy was completely gone. Those that tried such things quickly learned that mounted machine guns would tear through everyone who dared try. The efficiency of these ranged weapons led to trench warfare, where both sides would spend days, even weeks, without engaging in actual combat. Glory was not to be found in war anymore, only hell itself. This has been stated in many interviews with WWI and WWII veterans. It's even common to hear a veteran from an older war pity a veteran from a newer war, seeing as technology has advanced even more. It's really interesting, I recommend listening to a few

@emmanuela7528

2 жыл бұрын

@@RedGold999 What did Kiritsugu want to use the Grail for?

@kaiber0390

2 жыл бұрын

@@emmanuela7528 Well you would be right if this was the real world but it's not, in fate a holy mcguffin called the grail exists that will supposedly grant any of your wishes with it's true magic.

@Gsolaris

Жыл бұрын

@@emmanuela7528 Kiritsugu wanted to use the grail to end war and violence forever. To stop the ceaseless cycle of butchery that defines humanity. The problem is that the grail, even if it wasn't tainted, couldn't have granted that wish without Kiritsugu himself understanding the exact method to accomplish that, and he didn't. He believed in a magic wand to wave to make it all go away, and no such thing exists. Kiritsugu's path has always been of the 'trolley problem'. Kill the least to save the most, and not to let human feelings get in the way of doing that. He's done it for so long now and sacrificed so much to that goal that he is distorted, just like Shirou is in the future, but worse. The man is emotionally broken.

ニキやネキたちはなんて言ってるんでしょ？

@RedGold999

2 жыл бұрын

そのほとんどが、切嗣に戸惑い、怒っている。(DeepL Translation)

The weebs here trying to diminish Kiritsugu's way of dispatching targets because it's "less honorable" and they didn't get to watch a completely k3wL and BaDAZz fight scene are just so lost. There is no true honor in killing a lot of people and following orders of tyrants and megalomaniacs like a trained dog so the victor would be able to cement their truth as canon while the losers would just have to suck it up and get their legacy buried. Blood that has been spilled whichever circumstance and excuses you might have is still blood that would stain your hands and conscience.

@wrought-ironheroEMIYA

10 күн бұрын

No one's criticizing Kerry's methods for being less honorable. They're criticizing it because it absolutely does not work in the real world and even within the story itself.

@alicefleugel

3 күн бұрын

@@wrought-ironheroEMIYA Ever heard of "necessary killing" in wars?