Biblical drama is far better than reality TV

@AndyZach

3 ай бұрын

And darker.

@Idkjustyet

3 ай бұрын

You know what 😭

@stevenenciso5023

3 ай бұрын

1&2 kings and 1&2 Samuel are genuinely fantastic to read. So much action, drama, suspense.

@lumkamsomi2836

3 ай бұрын

Because reality TV is fake and the bible is real

@keithjackson4985

2 ай бұрын

You are so right!😮

Even secular scholar Robert Alter, who questions most of the Biblical account admits that the lives of Saul and David as told in the books of Samuel are so realistic and believable that they must be accurate because it seems unlikely any royal propagandist would make it up

If I wanted to tell the story of the anointed king who brought in Israel's golden age - especially after all the heroic underdog struggle to get there - I would NOT want to say that he committed murder and adultery and his wives hated each other and slept with his son who killed his brothers... Even Solomon has a bad ending. It's not how I would write a fantasy story about the rise of the good king, and not how I'd write propaganda about my glorious history.

@eugenetswong

3 ай бұрын

His son raped his daughter, and David had no comment. Of all the morally good kings, David might have been the worst.

@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w

3 ай бұрын

Exactly. Doesn't YHWH even claim David is a man after his own heart? Why would they then have let that same person fall from grace?

@truncated7644

3 ай бұрын

I might be told to calm down again, but Dr. Joel Baden has a scholarly explanation (it isn't conclusive, it isn't undeniably true, but it is insightful) of how the text of Samuel was written to put a particular political spin on what David did. Baden analyzes other texts by other kings who had similar stories written about them to justify usurping the throne.

@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w

3 ай бұрын

whoa! calm down buddy! you listed an actual name and didn't just say scholars agree with zero evidence what so ever to your claim other than "trust me bro" that's to much for my poor heart to handle ... on a serious note i am going to haft to look up this guy i am curious now. @@truncated7644​

Bible romance dramas are wild yo. The spiciest reality dating shows on TLC don't even compare.

Bible has a story of a perfect man: unrealistic Bible has the story of a sinner repenting: evil example no one should follow The bible has the story of a sinner being punished: merciless How bible debates go🤦🏻‍♀️😃

@chucksolutions4579

3 ай бұрын

Have you been following me? This is EXACTLY what I have dealt with in the last month.

@wheatNtares

3 ай бұрын

Lol You nailed the response of those "in the world." I've noticed it in regards to all truths. You tell them a truth about this corrupt world and they laugh at you. You prove it to them and they get dismissive and say it doesn't matter. You show them why it does matter and how it's connected to other things, and they change the subject. 🤦

@DLAbaoaqu

3 ай бұрын

That’s why you must never be charitable when a skeptic objects to anything.

@seanhogan6893

3 ай бұрын

That repentant sinner was a man who had everything yet stole the wife of his body guard and had him killed to cover it up. And those sinners being punished were women and children and babies who just happened to live in land the Israelites wanted for themselves. Isn't the lesson to learn is that God's people are just as capable of excusing their bad or unbeneficial behaviour as anyone else.

@runachan2910

3 ай бұрын

@@seanhogan6893 First: David was punished too, his kingdom was shattered, his children fought and killed each other. He was forgiven in the eyes of God but still got his punishment, just not as much. The "women and children" argument. Those "women and children" were not being treated like royalty, they were being sacrificed, for baby making, abused to death or grow up like their parents. So, some were spared a life of misery or stopped from becoming the very monsters that created them + some of those "innocent" people threatened the Israelites with fates worse than death + women and children of Israelites were killed when they disobeyed God so this one scale was onto everyone + isn't it odd that in most of their genocidal acts, they were FORBIDDEN from taking ANYTHING from the enemy? Now, you also seem to forget this was at a time before "laws of war" were actually a thing. If they didn't do that, their enemies would happily slaughter them. Read into history and watch as every "hero" slaughtered his enemies with glee. This is the wonder of seeing history through the eyes of modern man. Also, America is super rich, compared to other countries, and yet they have propaganda against china and Russia because it's so scared someone will overthrow them, and are willingly fueling countries with war. So, is David REALLY that far from modern world?

At the time of the incident with Bathsheba David already had 7 wives and 10 concubines. The flesh is never satisfied. His son, Solomon, went on to blow his record out of the water with 700 wives and 300 concubines. Deuteronomy 17:17 LSB - “And he(the king) shall not multiply wives for himself, or else his heart will turn away; nor shall he greatly increase silver and gold for himself. David stretched this commandment to its limit, and Solomon broke it.

@obad.iah.

3 ай бұрын

Yes! Ecclesiastes 2:10-11

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559

3 ай бұрын

@@obad.iah. Ecclesiastes 2:10-11 LSB - 10 All that my eyes asked for I did not refuse them. I did not withhold my heart from any gladness, for my heart was glad because of all my labor, and this was my reward for all my labor. 11 Thus I turned to all my works which my hands had done and the labor which I had labored to do, and behold, all was vanity and striving after wind, and there was no advantage under the sun.

@alphonsofrett2757

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for pointing this out

@danielawesome36

3 ай бұрын

Someone, somewhere out there: "God doesn't go against polygamy." Yeah, yeah... I dunno about that.

@milton5417

3 ай бұрын

@@danielawesome36 In the OT, polygamy was lawful. In the NT, of course, we go back to the standard set in Eden (one man, one woman.)

Bro, fricking your father's women IN THE ROOF SO EVERYONE CAN SEE is sick, but making someone DO THAT TO HIS OWN FATHER with hidden agenda only his father will understand is absolutely barbaric

@DaysofElijah317

3 ай бұрын

They did pitch a tent but this was an ancient way to declare your power over previous ruler and very messed up indeed

@paulmz4693

3 ай бұрын

It was also a punishment from God: ”Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’ “This is what the Lord says: ‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity on you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight. You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’ ”“ ‭‭2 Samuel‬ ‭12‬:‭10‬-‭12‬ ‭NIV‬‬ Or maybe not a "punishment", but rather a "prophesied consequence".

@orpheemulemo8053

3 ай бұрын

​​@@paulmz4693Damn God's just that Guy don't mess 😂😂😂

@HeavensKnightofLight

3 ай бұрын

@@paulmz4693i believe it is a prophesied consequence. When God says “he will raise up” he means he will allow him to suffer the consequences for his sins, now i don’t think that God tempted anyone to sin but rather he left David to deal with and reap the fruits of what he had sown, what he had done to others would’ve naturally resulted in this occurring all because he disobeyed God and committed adultery while also committing murder, he went outside of God’s order and hurt other people which are also prone to their flesh and out of their hurt they conspired revenge against David. God allowed sin to take its course and he allowed the demonic spirits to tempt the others to plot against David, which makes sense God would allow the others to be tempted considering the others too were also already sinners so demons naturally had a legal right to tempt them to sin and lead them to do bad things against David in return.

@g.williams2047

3 ай бұрын

@@paulmz4693 In broad daylight... imagine if all of you and my sins were practiced in broad daylight as punishment.

And it gets darker, when Ahitophel realizes that Absolom will not succeed in overthrowing David. He promptly rides his donkey home puts his affairs in order and kills himself. Crazy stuff.

@mayelinesantana

Ай бұрын

That explains everything. I keep wondering who this dude was and why he killed himself.

@mayelinesantana

Ай бұрын

That explains everything! I keep wondering who this dude was and why he killed himself?

I love the connections that you are making throughout the Bible. You are destroying every skeptical argument out there. If only people read their Bibles more, they would learn more of the Bible truths!

@raygiordano1045

3 ай бұрын

Even when you think you've read the books of the Bible thoroughly, there're always something more to find out.

@EritreanChic

3 ай бұрын

@@raygiordano1045 it’s a Neverending book, in the best way imaginable

@negativedawahilarious

3 ай бұрын

it would take me millions of years to understand its complexity

@raygiordano1045

3 ай бұрын

The plain text is the most important, IMHO but for those folks who like to sift through and find a huge number of "Seven Coincidences," parallels, gematria, the very eerie "Bible Codes.," etc. in the Bible there's a whole lifetime material. I think the Bible Codes are often used to try to make the Word of God into an oracle, but for those who don't, they're very interesting to see. I don't get too into those things, however I think they all help to authenticate that the Bible is the Word of God. @@EritreanChic

@LucaTigli

2 ай бұрын

​@@raygiordano1045 ​ Yep, you can find so many things you never realise after one simple reading; you can find a word that unveils a different message than what seems portrayed, as well as one word that conveys more than one message and still stands true.

Well I need to go back and read 1 and 2 Samuel again. I still can't believe this isn't an HBO show yet

@terrellevans2763

3 ай бұрын

I was getting on Netflix last night and I noticed on the screen where you select an account (where it shows the still covers of random shows) they were advertising a show about David.

@DellBlackberry22

3 ай бұрын

@@terrellevans2763 Nice, going to have to check it out.

@Tyler_W

2 ай бұрын

Seriously. Done right, a show about the life of David could be on the level of Game of Thrones, Rome, or Deadwood. Lots of drama and intrigue to pull from.

HOT DANG, I have NEVER noticed that connection with Ahitophel and Bathsheba! I'm all muh years! Man, the extent of little unknown things in history are so vast and fascinating.

If you read between the lines, David stopped sleeping with Michal because of their argument. 2 Samuel 6:22 But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.” 23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death. THEREFORE Michal had no children. See how his statement is linked to Michal being childless? David was telling Michal he would not give her children but his other wives would.

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

Yep seems like it

@Tyler_W

2 ай бұрын

David pulled a Paul Atreides with Princess Irulan. Now that I think about it, the parallel is pretty noticeable. The protagonist supplants a king who did him dirty, takes his daughter for his queen, and then refused to give her children and had a family through his other wives.

@KG-jx8zt

2 ай бұрын

@@Tyler_W In general, I suppose. But David loved Michal and she loved him... UNTIL ... Saul gave his married (to David) daughter to another man. Her time spent with her new husband alienated her affection for David. I'm reading into it a bit but Michal likely didn't long for riches or status. As daughter of the king she'd always had that. And when her father gave her to a new husband while David was away, she fell for the new guy and was likely enjoying having a husband who was with her instead of always gone like David was. Scripture tells us her husband cried when David reclaimed her. I'm guessing Michal also cried and it was the beginning of her resentment toward him. After all, he reclaimed her as one would reclaim stolen property, with no concern for her feelings. It also made Michal just one of several wives David had collected as his star began to rise. And I can't help but wonder, since pride and ego was likely his motivation for reclaiming her, if David never really intended to resume relations with her in the first place and just used their spat as an excuse. 🤷

@Artemisarrowzz

2 ай бұрын

Honestly, poor Michal. I would be super pissed were I in her place.

When people say the Bible is boring I’m just like hmmm…

@Tyler_W

2 ай бұрын

The "problem," or perhaps the barrier to entry, is the writing style, not the story. It doesn't ebb and flow like a familiar western narrative because it comes from a very different time and culture.

This detail about Ahithophel actually makes what the prophet Nathan prophecies about David's concubines being taken from him in the wake of his sin against Uriah make even more sense. I was always confused with that part of the Bible because God never causes or tempts people to sin and while God forgives us, we are not free from the consequences of our sin. I had always wondered why the prophecy against David and his concubines came true even after God forgave David and despite Absalom's act being a sin itself. Only after watching your video today to I realize that David planted the catalyst for Ahithophel's idea with his sin against Uriah and thus his son's disgraceful act is a direct consequence of David's action. This is why God still allowed David to live with the result of his sin despite being forgiven. God did not cause Absalom to sin nor did he invoke these series of actions as punishment for a sin he forgave, God merely did as he said he would by letting David reap what he sowed and foretelling it through Nathan. Thank you for this video, it clarified so much.

@controversialopinions3659

3 ай бұрын

I guess you could say that the fact this un-designed coincident actually confirms what the New Testament says hundreds of years later about God's character in not tempting people to sin (James 1:13) is itself an un-designed coincidence, as is the fact this video intended to expose the un-designed coincident in the Book of Samuel unintentionally clarifying my confusion about what appeared to be a contradiction between the New and Old Testaments solely through the consistency of the Bible. Praise God!!!

@truncated7644

3 ай бұрын

@@controversialopinions3659 In your opinion, is that also true with the story of Job? Yahweh complained to the Accuser "you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason.” Job 2:3?

@controversialopinions3659

3 ай бұрын

@@truncated7644 Is what true? God did not cause Job to sin nor was Job's trials a punishment for a sin already forgiven by God. What are you trying to question with the example of Job?

@truncated7644

3 ай бұрын

@@controversialopinions3659 God's character. If he can be incited against someone to ruin them without any reason, does that cause you to question whether he is worthy of worship?

What I see is that Micah didn't like David showing his nether parts for everyone to see (he was jumping and dancing with just a robe on). When she questioned David about it, David replied "well, if you didn't like it, you'll never see my parts, then" and so she never got pregnant.

Another twist. 2 Samuel 12:24 LSB - Then David comforted his wife Bathsheba, and went in to her and lay with her; and she gave birth to a son, and he named him Solomon. Now Yahweh loved him Solomon was Bathsheba's son, meaning he was Ahithophil's great grandson on his mother's side. Ahithophil was thought of as one of the wisest men in Israel during his lifetime, his council was like the voice of God. Solomon goes on to be called the wisest man to ever live. I remember hearing somewhere that people with high IQs much more likely to have inherited it from the mother's side of the family.

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

That explains why my son is smarter than me

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559

3 ай бұрын

@@TestifyApologetics 😁

@shockthetoast

3 ай бұрын

Solomon also chose to ask God for wisdom, which may have been inspired by hearing of the wisdom of his great grandfather. And maybe some of the less than wise choices of his father...

@oscaralegre3683

2 ай бұрын

it wasnt inherited. God gave Solomon wisdom

@yourfriendlyneighborhoodin1559

2 ай бұрын

@@oscaralegre3683 It's important to acknowledge that this is all high level interpretation of scripture. Nothing is known for sure. And it does not define any doctrines.

"and I'm somewhat paraphrasing here" 😭

2Samuel 12:6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity. In addition to this first child with Bathsheba, David lost 3 other sons to violence. Amnon, Absalom, Adonijah

@bbrainstormer2036

3 ай бұрын

Dang. Good catch

@negativedawahilarious

3 ай бұрын

self-curse is real

You are a great story teller. I appreciate all the research and explanations. The Word is truth.

It’s weird how more than once you find various women in the Bible in unideal marriage circumstances. With Jacob being tricked into having two wives, then those sisters having conflict with each other, then Michal being tossed back and forth, and then Esther being married to king Xerxes. I feel bad for them.

@HeavensKnightofLight

3 ай бұрын

Yeah The Bible reveals a lot about human nature and our unreliability as human beings. We’re truly twisted and wicked creatures. Anyone who denies that is willfully in denial despite the obvious truth. Even in our world today people commit atrocious and vile deeds. While all of us in secret have done some pretty nasty stuff as well. No one is innocent

@justanothergoy5900

3 ай бұрын

when there is monogamy, the woman is in control

excellent - now do the family relationships in the NT Mary - Mary's sister James John etc fascinating

Just discovered the channel and been loving the videos. Hope people remember to share the vids on social media!

Oh goodness. This is one of the stories that make me hate david so much. He completely destroyed Michals life, and she is the only woman in the bible specifically labeled as "she loved him"

@giovanni545

2 ай бұрын

hate is a strong word, remember King David was a man who repented from the sins He commited.

@Struckjess

2 ай бұрын

​@@giovanni545No it's pretty fair for a woman to be very upset with David or any Israeli King. All of them abused power so yes hate is strong but English sucks and saying dislike is gay.

Solomon and David proved the Coolidge Effect

This is great detective work on the Bible! Keep up the good work!

I never noticed or heard that. Thanks for spelling it out for me.

Awesome! More OT!!

These videos are awesome, keep them coming!

The thumbnail will never get old😂😂

Wow, I never noticed this plot line before!

Excellent information and information optics. I just subscribed. InfoArtist JK

The algorithm just recommended you channel and I appreciate it. Would this count as an undesigned coincidence: when the crusaders first arrived in Jerusalem and asked to see the tomb of Jesus they were shown a site well within the city. This surprised them because in the Bible the burial is described as being outside the city. However following the death of Jesus, Jerusalem was expanded and what was outside the city became located within it. If the Christians were just making some fake pilgrimage sites to bamboozle gullible pilgrims like some kind of tourist trap, they would not have placed the tomb of Jesus within the city of Jerusalem, but created it outside of the city which was what people expected.

So many years of reading 1st and 2nd Kings, yet I've never recognized this!

One of my former pastors actually made this connection a few years back. Well before I watched any of your videos. Didn't realize at the time the strong defense for the Bible's authenticity they made.

George R.R. Martin, eat your heart out, lol. For real, why somebody hasn't made a mature drama series about the life of David is beyond me. That would be some Game of Thrones-level intrigue. That guy's life was wild.

That thumbnail is hilarious

I feel like i remember these pictures from an old thin hardcover series with a golden spine 🤔

This series is amazing

If someone ever makes a Bible T.V. show, they'd need to contact Testify for details on small things like this most readers miss. It adds a whole 'nother layer to the story.

@truncated7644

3 ай бұрын

@NickNul, you know @TestifyApologetics didn't discover this by himself - he learned it from, wait for it, ....... academic scholarship. But only certain ones that agree with him. Now if you really want to learn in depth about David, read Yale professor Dr. Joel Baden's book, "The Historical David: The Real Life of an Invented Hero".

@NickNui

3 ай бұрын

@@truncated7644 I'm aware that Testify isn't the first person to notice this, he just studies these undesigned coincidences often enough that I think he'd probably offer a unique perspective a lot of Bible T.V. shows skip over. "Oh no, academic scholarship, I'm so terrified." You don't need to be so overly sarcastic in your reply.

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

trunc - it's gonna be ok bro, just calm down a little.

@truncated7644

3 ай бұрын

@@TestifyApologetics Thanks dad. Didn't know Joel Baden recommendations were so exciting.

A complex story well told. Samuel and this video.

She got the "ick" from watching him boogie. These hos don't change, fellas. 😮‍💨😮‍💨😮‍💨

Brilliant! Excellent insights again, brother. 👍

Great work, thanks!

Bro… this was so good.

It's pronounced like "Mick ale" and "pale tea el"

Great stuff!!

This is mind blowing!!!

Man this is good stuff

Brilliant video!

i always wanted a show about David. It would be gripping if nothing was hold back and was faithful to the books

Hey! I enjoyed your video on David! What do you man by undesigned councidences?? I know you use the term for the New Testament however I'm ignorant of it's meaning

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

See the playlist at the endscreen and start with video 1

@amolinguas

3 ай бұрын

@@TestifyApologetics Ah ok! I guess I already do this when I make my videos on the Old Testament without knowing it. It seems similar to Scripture interpreting Scripture.

I wondered about the pronunciation of Michal. Your version wasn't mine. I read it as Me-Shawl phonetically when I read it once upon a time. I presumed it was likely an archaic version of Michelle before it was Anglicized later on when the use of Biblical names became a norm for Western Europe. The version stated by a Hebrew name pronunciation YT site (Julien Miquel) said it was properly pronounced Me-Hall. And interestingly enough, Michael proper is pronounced Me-Ha-El best I can arrange it. Anyone confirm this?

I think it’s supposed to sound more like mee-hawl with a hard H. . That’s a ch as like in Chanukah.

Brilliant!

This put a smile on my face because I never knew this! It also made by eyes grow large when I saw the tent on top of the castle haha. God is the one who wrote it and I'm sure his eyes were much wider than mine. Obviously God is God so nothing can surprise him but it's just a little joke

What about comparing 1st and 2nd Samuel to the Psalms? 🤔

Is Ahithophel bath-sheba grandfather?? Is this why he wanted revenge?

Undesigned coincidence, and documenting such unflattering info about an OT hero makes no sense for a myth book, but points to a record of actual facts - one that does not even have extreme embarrassments edited out.

@KG-jx8zt

3 ай бұрын

Yes. They had lots of time to whitewash David's unseemly behavior and just keep the honorable parts. But a sincere belief in the sacred nature of the inspired word of God kept it real. We see this in the New Testament when Peter denies knowing Jesus and doesn't believe Mary Magdalene after she saw the resurrected Jesus.

An episode with every meal (3 meals a day) makes the meals better! I saw someone on IG today make a connection between Jesus at the Last Supper giving the cup and breaking bread, with Joseph in the OT in prison with the cupbearer and the baker. I know it's more theological than apologetic but do you think it's a valid argument, and if possible could you cover that?

6:50 wasn't it also about 2 Samuel 12:11?

It is not suitable for kids?? 😮😮 Bro, i read all the biblical dramas and bloodsheds like when I was 5. TBh I wonder I wasn't traumatised

Amazing how the Bible keeps meeting literary expectations age after age after age

Too bad I liked Michal and Jonathan her brother both loving David (despite saul’s jealousy)

there needs to be a show on this lol. HBO get on it

@KG-jx8zt

3 ай бұрын

I agree but let's have Christian producers and writers. Otherwise you know it will be twisted.

fire

Thumbnail make David look like SiIvagunner.

Big Mike

Are you quoting JJ Blunt?

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

I'm drawing from him yes

The fate of Michal is so tragic…

Question: are undesigned coincidences uniquely found in the bible only and not other holy books of other religions?

@user-jy6hd9uw8h

12 күн бұрын

Hmm, I think you're misunderstanding the argument, he's basically saying that the accounts are trustworthy and not some kind of royal propaganda! Since it would make sense for the underdog king to be attributed miracles, but adultery and murder? That's crazy, try to imagine a celebrity doing that and you'll understand the utter grossness of David! His other videos are just defending the early dating of the NT! Hope that helps! I don't know of any other religion, but Muslims believe that the prophets can't sin so it would follow they don't believe in the Bathsheba story!

Why so many?

What about Noah and his son Ham? Is there a design coincidence?

@truncated7644

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely. The curse on Ham is essential evidence of the OT's reliability, since it explains why Jews eat noah ham.

Hahaha, the OT, "Where some of your pages are stuck together". 😂

W rizzzz Michal!

🤯

Great vid but one detail: David danced in his underpants to humble himself before the Lord, and Michal falsely accused him of basically doing a striptease for female benefit.

@seijin4426

3 ай бұрын

The hell? When did it say that? Last time I checked David danced before God almighty even if his clothes ripped and didn't even care.

@Nunya_Bidness_53

3 ай бұрын

@@seijin4426 The whole kerfuffle was because he danced in his loincloth to show his utter humility before YHVH, but Michal, in her jealousy, unjustly interpreted it as him doing a striptease for the females in the audience.

Off course David was like that came from hearding sheep know getting money David was loyal to Gods commadments because he was in a corner at the time

🤯🤯🤯

I don't think it makes sense for Ahitophel to support Absalom over David. No matter how angry he was with David, his granddaughter Bathsheba was now a Queen, and her son Solomon was the heir to the throne. Their lives would be in danger if Absalom overthrew David.

I still fail to see why king David committed murder and adultery having so many wives and such. I feel even the prophet David points out how ludicrous it was with his parable. I feel he only did it because he could and had nothing better to do, so that the sinful ideas festered in his mind.

Revelation 12:17 New International Version 17 Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus

Let me get this straight… King Solomon was a half breed Hittite? Wow 😮 Solomon was no better than the Samaritans ?

He had bad taste in women overtime but he repented for all that mess.

Another explanation is that it's based on an earlier work that was less subtle but the links were dropped deliberately or otherwise.

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

If you need to posit hypothetical documents that we don't have a shred of evidence for to make your theory work then ok, but that's the very definition of ad hoc.

@DanielvandeVorstenbosch

3 ай бұрын

Isn't it to be expected though? The dating of Samuel alone would suggest it's a secondary source.

@modernatheism

3 ай бұрын

Another explanation: The Eliam mentioned as father of Bathseba is not the same Eliam, son of Ahitophel. There is no indication that it is. It could be just that the name Eliam was common. Thats like reading the name michael twice somewhere and assuming that it has to be the same Michael.@@DanielvandeVorstenbosch

@modernatheism

3 ай бұрын

That is exactly what the Q source is (an hypothetical document we have no direct evidence of) but whose existed is infered based on other things. It is not ad hoc, but rather a reasonable explanation which is seriously considered in academic circles.@@TestifyApologetics

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

this is an argument for earlier dating.

lol this is brilliant..

Ok, but if this is so supportive of its historical accuracy, what do you make of the Masoretic text and Greek translations of Samuel 21:8 saying Mical did have children, despite 2 Samuel 6:23 saying she was childless? Is it evidence of reliability that in 2 Samuel 21, verse 19, the Hebrew Bible tells how Goliath the Gittite was killed by "Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite" instead of David? Why do casual and unplanned coincidences have so much power for you, when casual and unplanned contradictions do not?

Hello again. I hope you are well. I personally believe in the sanctity of the Israelite/Jewish Bible. But the thesis you are apparently presenting (here and elsewhere) is problematic for several reasons. First, the presence of historically accurate (or largely accurate) information does not prove that the divine or miraculous claims in these stories are also true. This tends to be a feature of all the videos of yours I've seen: If writers got some details right (or if different textual threads correlate), then, you imply, all of what they say must be right. But this doesn't follow logically. There's no intrinsic reason that it must be "all or nothing." If the story of David and Bathsheba happened as written, and Ahitophel was Bathsheba's grandfather, and this was part of his motive for supporting Absalom, none of this proves-on historical grounds-that Joshua stopped the sun. Or that the Lord spoke with David and promised him an eternal covenant of kingship. Sacred stories can be generally grounded in real-life events and then develop and expand further over time into new, metaphysical territory. Or the pious writers could weave their sincerely-held religious beliefs into otherwise historical happenings. You must realize, for example, that the Bible tells us many, many things that no human being could have known about or witnessed. And this is without even getting into texts like Genesis, chapters 1-11 which, I would contend, must not be taken as fully literal history even by the most devoted believer. In my view, therefore, it's unwise to put so much emphasis on "demonstrable" historical veracity as the primary foundation of religious faith. The second problem, and you alluded to it in the video, is that it's manifestly clear that the biblical writers were indeed some of the greatest geniuses of all time, if someone has a secular view of the cosmos and doesn't subscribe to the reality of divine inspiration. For a book which has endured millennia and has probably been admired by more people in the West than any other, it's not much of a stretch to argue that those writers certainly could have put together narratives of amazing sophistication and attention to detail, even humanly-speaking.

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Reliable? Numbers 5:11-31 describes a practice of making a wife who has been accused of adultery drink a mixture of water and dust from the floor of the Tabernacle in order to prove her guilt or innocence.

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

This is changing the subject

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

And I have addressed it in another video

Lol you sound like Ben Shapiro on 2x speed

Samuel WAS a prophet that means he was literally telling the future lol so at the end of the video youre revealing yiur lack of faith ❤

@psychedelicpayroll5412

2 ай бұрын

A prophet mainly means they are Gods spokesperson. Telling the future isn’t necessary in prophethood.

@smokydogy

2 ай бұрын

@@psychedelicpayroll5412 It isn't necessarily so in that regard your correct but it's also undeniable that many of them did tell the future

The biggest contradiction in the Bible is Jesus. According to Christianity the hypostatic union personhood is simultaneously God and man. This means that Jesus possesses God attributes and human attributes simultaneously. This would imply that Jesus simultaneously possesses infinite knowledge and finite knowledge. Now is you say part of Jesus this or part of Jesus that, then that leads to nestorianism. And saying It’s A MySterY isn’t solving anything because it refutes nothing. You would need an argument from philosophy. Alhamduillah for Islam ☪️!!! 🤲

@TestifyApologetics

3 ай бұрын

listen dawah, you're changing the subject. this has nothing to do with the video. go spread your terrible understanding of Christian theology elsewhere

@Casey-cs5pu

3 ай бұрын

Ok…. What exactly did I get incorrect?

@logicianbones

3 ай бұрын

Infinity contains finity. Duh.

@KG-jx8zt

3 ай бұрын

@@Casey-cs5pu Maybe you didn't notice that the Quran states that the Bible is true. 🤷

@Casey-cs5pu

3 ай бұрын

Infinity contains the finite.. ok that would imply a mixing of the two natures.

Such good story telling o Thee than the fact that probably none of these people were white😂