Hope you all enjoy the video. Smash the "LIKE" button if you do....oh and who likes the "Timeline Cheat Sheet?" want to respect your time especially on these longer videos.

@neverobey1477

7 жыл бұрын

GY6vids wow that's a little sexy ass pistol... dnt abuse it man send it to me buddy lol.. love all your vids btw. keep on rocking!

@drewcorona6381

7 жыл бұрын

GY6vids don't abuse the ladies wasteband pistol

@thecrittercage8255

7 жыл бұрын

GY6vids Please bring back [real talk]

@brannonpardue1358

7 жыл бұрын

GY6vids Yea liked the time layout on the side. Very cool I know one thing it doesn't have an ejection problem. It was throwing them n the next county lol

@laxman4008

7 жыл бұрын

Timeline cheat sheet is great, I believe you can link the times in the description as well if that'll make things easier.

These longer format, full reviews are kick ass. I'm pretty damned sure you're the official best new sales rep for Kimber. You beat the crap outta that thing and it kept ticking.

Why are people so critical of the 1911 grip safety; it makes the weapon supremely safe, and does not interfere at all with function. I personally like it.

@BoopSnoot

4 жыл бұрын

There's a risk in pocket carry of knocking it off, and then you are left with a single action trigger. Granted it should still be in a holster and is rated at 7lbs. Alternatively, no safety means one less thing to forget about in a panic situation and a 7lb long double-action trigger like on a Kahr is safe without the safety.

@veriest1

4 жыл бұрын

@@BoopSnoot he was talking about the grip safety not the thumb safety. Basically, with a poor grip like what sometimes happens in a panic situation means they don't always disengage. Quite a few people have them pinned and older guns won't have them at all. They're really not needed imo.

@BoopSnoot

4 жыл бұрын

@@veriest1 I can't read

@thebusterdog921

4 жыл бұрын

I like a grip safety. Hmm. I have several 1911's and several 1911 clones without grip safeties. This is a total copy of the Sig Sauer P938, and owning both I prefer the Sig. I own two other Kimber's and consider them to be a good quality semi custom pistol maker. 1 thing about the micro 9 I experienced was a dislike for 115 gr ammo until a break in period. After 200 to 300 rounds it will eat anything.

@googoo-gjoob

4 жыл бұрын

i LOVE the grip safety...

I have to cradle and consol my kimber watching him do this haha

Well thank you Sir. You just confirmed why Kimber did not include a flush mag with the Micro 9 I bought two days ago. You also have saved me money in that I will only buy one flush mag and the rest extended. Yes - bought it for pocket carry. Great video.

Thanks for the video. Just bought a 2019 Micro9 SHOT special and was a little nervous about ammo selection and durability from what people have told me but this video just wiped it all away. Most torture mine will get is pocket lint and occassional dog hair. Great video

The exploding paint can was so cool, I had to comment; I thoroughly enjoyed the slow-mo!

@GY6vids

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It's a lot of work capturing those shots with the high speed camera system...but WORTH IT!

I've had my Kimber micro 9 with laser grip for several months now. I'm really glad I bought it. It's been Flawless and it's a nice-looking gun. It takes up very little more room in my pocket then my Colt Mustang well giving me 9 mm and an extra round.

@andysspeedshop7148

5 ай бұрын

I agree, I love the stainless and wood grip on mine. I have put probably 7-800 rounds through mine and not had any issues since the very first magazine. Definitely don't understand the Kimber hate, big fan of this gun

I've got a stainless Kimber Micro 9 with a factory muzzle brake. Super accurate and I LOVE this firearm. Is my carry gun now. Reminds me very much of my Kimber Custom .45 that I've carried for years. It IS accurate considering barrel length. The most important factor in comfortable grip is me switching to the Kimber 8 Rd mag with pinkie grip. Big improvement if your hands are large.

Just bought the gun then watched your video. I’m impressed with this review!!! Can’t wait to fire it off!!! Definitely subscribing!!!

@keyfitter

2 жыл бұрын

Did the same thing here, except it's now Sept. 2021. LOL

Watched this video after purchasing one. You confirmed my carry decision.

Used to own a Sig P938 SAS, that was until the Kimber Micro 9 CSE (Cabela's Special Edition) came out last Thanksgiving. Got rid of the P938. The Micro 9 is an incredibly wonderful little carry piece. As your incredibly torturous test proved: It is Reliable. Also quite accurate and I've shot at least 9 different brands of ammo as well as HP's of various types and polymer tipped ammo; zero failures with over 700 rounds through mine. Smaller hands, don't have that slide issue you did either. Great video, thanks for doing what I could never do to a fine piece of equipment.

Lol...outstanding video! I have the Raptor custom shop and zero issues to report. Cycles many different ammo types. Glad I don't have to throw my weapon or jam with dirt to see what happens...you proved it for me. TY!

@GY6vids

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

When he started putting dirt on it, I fell off my chair.

That very gun (with the C.T. grips) is my EDC gun. I think it's fantastic and I was pleased to see it perform so well in your testing. When I was buying it, some tchotch walked up and said, "Oh, you know Kimbers. They're really picky about ammo. Really picky! Their quality has gone down in recent years." Blah blah blah. Some of the same crap in the comments to this video. I don't care what someone thinks they know because their friend behind the counter at the gunshop gave his "expert" opinion to them. I own this gun and I love it. It's never FTF or FTE no matter what I've fed it. The trigger is great. I shoot it well with the laser off and lights-out with the laser on. It's a stout piece and it carries like a dream. Great review. Hurt my heart to see you beating up my favorite carry gun like that, but the strong finish was worth it! Subbed!

The Timeline cheat sheet is awesome!

@GY6vids

7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it. Want to respect your time.

Very impressed with the reliability of this gun. Despite all the things thrown at it, it worked like a charm.

I've learned this gun does not like flat nose and hollow point ammo. The bullets like to also nose dive into the feed ramp and cause it to fail to cycle. Not sure if its a mag or feed ramp issue.

You put an incredible amount of effort into these awesome videos. I think you have the most high quality reviews on KZread. Keep it up brother!

@GY6vids

7 жыл бұрын

Yes I do, and it gives me a lot of joy to see you enjoying them. Much Appreciated, thank you for the support!

@Thisshitcrazybruh

7 жыл бұрын

GY6vids No problem sir! You deserve all the support you can get.

With some tougher grips that gun would be damn near indestructible. That testing was brutal.

I have owned and EDC this pistol for years. No issues and great accuracy

Just shot mine today for the first time. 100 rounds and my favorite handgun so far!

I've owned my Micro for around 3 years. It is my EDC, except for when I'm running. Then its a Kahr 380. I love torture tests but its a Kimber, treat her like she your soul mate and she will never let you down, BRO. My butthole would be turning inside out if I managed to get my EDC that dirty! This is extremely painful to watch. Its almost as if you are picking a fight with my sister!

@curtisfarmer8321

5 жыл бұрын

I'm AM from the Midwest but I'm not implying that my soulmate is my sister...

@BoopSnoot

4 жыл бұрын

Sucks being poor, I have to scrounge up pennies and then am so gentle with my firearms, and here he is just taking a giant dump on an expensive Micro 9 w/ lasergrips that he broke no less. :(

Dude , great video . Made me almost cry when you threw the pistol . I am huge Kimber fan. Keep up the good work

Dude is jacked! It’s like the gun show on a gun show. I need to hit the pull up bar more. Thanks for the video brother, good stuff. I’m teetering between this micro 9 and an M&p shield 2.0 for my next buy. I’m 5’8” with a 30” waist. Sometimes carrying a full size piece is just too much for the occasion.

@furelise91

5 жыл бұрын

Cosmos Kid I have both 🤣

Awesome test of this Kimber. The stress test, read beat the shit out of it, flared my anxiety up having been in the military. Tough to watch all the dirt go through there!🤣🤣 Thanks for the great review.

Been carrying my black and tan micro 9 for 4 years now. I love it occasionally I carry a sig 365 🎉 Fantastic

@GY6vids

7 ай бұрын

Great Choices

I bought a .380 Micro a few months before the Micro 9 came out and I love it. The thing I didn't like about the gun were the sights were straight iron no dot and for the price of the gun it should've come standard. I've been carrying it as my back up pistol. I've purchased several of the 7 round extended Mags because the 6 round flat Mag is a waste of metal because of the pinky issue. It's been a rugged and consistent little piece. So until I can find something better I'll be keeping the .380 Micro. This fella put on a good test and it makes me even more confident in my little Kimber .380 Micro.

@GY6vids

7 жыл бұрын

Great info and personal experience share... thank you.

@sycamorebacker1

5 жыл бұрын

You have to have a pinky extension on a backup? You need to practice.

Just started, really want to skip to 7:59 but won't. Good job on creating suspense. Edit. Totally worth it. Beautiful slow mo.

@juangonzalez9848

7 жыл бұрын

5:39 that picture in picture close up of the target is damn nice. Good job.

@GY6vids

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Glad to hear you're watching more than just the highlights, but thought you all would enjoy the Timeline Skipper for reference.

@juangonzalez9848

7 жыл бұрын

GY6vids Triple A vid as I have come to expect. Good to know it can get dirtier than all sin and you can just smack it into battery. Not so sure about those sights moving but that was a bit much. Liking the new features.

@Len_M.

7 жыл бұрын

GY6vids How do you get the almost electronic like look to the hits? It almost looks like one of those Blue Gun practice applications. 👍🏼

I've been on the fence about this gun, you just helped me make up my mind. Thanks!

I saw this gun at Shot Show last January, and knew I had to have it, I ordered it and was delivered inside of two weeks. I love this gun, and have 1000 rounds through with no problems.

GREAT VIDEO!!! (and timely too) My wife shot my Kimber, and now she wants one. So this has been on my radar. Found her new pistol. Thank you for the great review!!

@GY6vids

7 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Yes I highly recommend this gun. From what I found, it will take a beating and keep working.

@luigiabottoni8452

7 жыл бұрын

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@gennarodima7633

7 жыл бұрын

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Mine has failed with just a couple days carry of pocket dust. Just a heads up for owners or potential owners, and yes this has happened numerous times to me and my range buddy. So keep, in particular that firing pin area very clean daily! Especially if your life depends on it. Food for thought.

@sycamorebacker1

5 жыл бұрын

Another advantage for a revolver.

Pretty impressive, I love my Kimber Micro 9 Stainless steel TFX Pro. Butter smooth trigger ,very accurate, sights are awesome, and I carry a 8 round back up mag so 16 rounds on hand and so easy to carry . Cant beat it.

@robertdaone

2 жыл бұрын

Have you have any failure to feed or cycle issues? My round like to nose dive into the bottom of the feed ramp and jam up the gun.

That was the craziest gun review video I've ever seen. Never saw a gun tested by throwing it at a target. That's a first but it was really fun to watch. I was looking for a review specifically on the Kimber Micro 9 because I'm thinking about buying one and need to know more about their reliability. That gun was very reliable for you except for when you put your thumb on the slide. Not a gun problem. You just have big hands. Gun doesn't fit your hand. I think it would fit mine. It still fired perfectly even after all the dirt and torture you put it through. I'm sold.

@GY6vids

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. I'm glad you enjoyed the video and that it helped.

The only issue I have with mine is at times (with one magazine) some ammo won't slide up the feed ramp. I'm going to buy a Dremel and polish it, which should take care of that issue. While this isn't a complaint about the gun, the 7 round magazines are a pain in the ass to load, because the spring pressure on them is so stout. Comparing the magazine springs to my Springfield Armory 1911-A1 and Beretta M9, it's MUCH stiffer!

Being a Kimber lover/collector my I had to cringe during the whole video. You are a tougher man than I. All that aside, thanks for putting this little gun through your torture test. I purchased one and picked it up a couple days ago. Now, thankfully, I can bypass the torture test when I take it to the range. I hope Kimber is replacing that gun for you. I'm sure I'll have nightmares now but I'll awake knowing that my little gun can take it. Thanks!

Good stuff little gun impressed me.

I don't really see the purpose of torture test with guns being thrown at steel plates and dirt being poured into the action, but I have to say this little micro 9 did impressively well. I'm not a real kimber fan, but I have come across some that are just as reliable as anything else, contrary to what the bashers say

@lucky43113

7 жыл бұрын

PROTECTIVE RAILROAD DAD people fight in defense situations

@protectiverailroaddad7541

7 жыл бұрын

lucky43113 what does that have to do with throwing a gun at a steel plate or pouring dirt in the action? The results are impressive, but these type test are a bit ridiculous

@mig50cc

7 жыл бұрын

PROTECTIVE RAILROAD DAD I'm the same way. Wouldn't call myself a Kimber fan (yet) but I was impressed with every one I've shot so far.

@getoffmylawn8986

7 жыл бұрын

PROTECTIVE RAILROAD DAD My EDC gun for 15 years has been a Kimber Tactical Pro, .45, no telling how many thousands of rounds through it (I reload). Reliable as anything I've ever had.

@protectiverailroaddad7541

7 жыл бұрын

Rick Gordon the tactical pro and cdp pro are amongst my favorite 1911's.

Nice to finally see a gun treated like that. THANK YOU!!! Especially if it is an every day carry gun, I want to know it is still going to function.I look forward to following along as you torture test more guns, it will be interesting to find out if a cheaper $200.00 - $400.00 gun can take the abuse as well as this one did.

This is the first gun video I have ever seen where someone poured dirt into the gun. Impressive that it continued to fire. I have seen a Glock fired under water and also buried in the mud, dug up, wiped off and fired.

I bought the TLE because of this video. Outstanding review! This is above and beyond.

@justinballiet9881

6 жыл бұрын

I would like to see Kimber send you another........

solid review

@GY6vids

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you, hope all is well on your end MG&G

@austinhock4

6 жыл бұрын

KZread bromance

@shaunn7778

6 жыл бұрын

Mrgunsngear Channel yeah. I couldn't believe he put dirt into the open action. I thought for sure that the kimber was toast!

@armyrat206

3 жыл бұрын

And dirty review! Like I’m going to fill my $800 gun full of dirt.

I just bought a Kimber Micro9 that's exactly like the one in the video. And NO, I'm not planning on throwing it any time soon. :)

Love mine!! I think personally that it's the best looking 1911 in its class. Nice vid brother !

When new ,break the gun down and then clean the shipping/storage lube off and use a high quality oil before breaking in a Kimber Micro 9 with 50-100 rounds of 124 grain . Then break it down ,clean and lube and you will have the best and most reliable small conceal gun there is (they also work great even if you don't do this but if you want the best break in ;do this) and It will work as good as it looks for many generations. This advice came from Kimber's factory.

I learned to fire pistols on the 1911 in the Army and have been looking at this one for a tuck gun. I love the tests you put it through and how well it shows the capabilities of this weapon. May need to pick one up Monday at the PX

Awesome information Sold me . Time line was great too. Buying one and can't wait to shoot it !

Great video - very high quality with great editing. I'm just about sold on this model, so I really appreciated the full review. Of course like you, some of the "abuse" was hard to watch on such a nice gun!

It's the simple things in life that bring me joy. I am 52 yrs old, fat, out of shape with bad knees and I grunt when I bend down to pick something up,...just like you do. lol

I ordered one yesterday. So I am glad it passed your test. I won't be throwing sand into mine. So I should be good. I have wanted one for a while. My home defense gun is a 1911. My EDC is a XDs 45 or a Ruger lcp. My hope is to supplant the LCP. Will see, being able to just pocket a gun on the way out the door to the quickie mart has a value all its own.

Throes gun, hits metal target. "That hurts my soul" 😃 love the quality of your videos. Should be on cable tv

Since I own this gun, I was holding my breath so tight. Lol I love my Kimber micro 9 and fullsize/ fun size Kimber

Great video - as always you do attention to detail in video better than just about anyone out there - the time cheat sheet (I just watched the whole thing but willing to bet someone uses it), the extra lighting, high quality video, good editing, etc. Keep up the good work

@GY6vids

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I'm glad to see all the extra work is noticed;-) Much more coming.

Andrew, whoever said one can't entertain and share valuable information simultaneously hasn't seen this video. Just found the channel while searching for reviews of the KMicor9 and Sig938. Your torture test has me leaning in the Kimber direction. Looking forward to seeing more of your reviews,

just bought a micro 9 (non laser version)...after 200 rounds i had one fail to feed using federal 115grn target fmj..gun struggles to feed hollow point ammo for me..wont feed sig elite at all and then i tryd federal HST and have to rack the slide twice to get it to seat the first round..typical 1911,you have to sink more money into it to get it to run properly..feeds fmj's fine for the most part and the gun seems fairly accurate..i bought two 8 round mags,which i seriously recommend

@taddmansilla598

Жыл бұрын

To chamber the first round I have the slide locked back, put in the magazine and release the slide lock and the first round chambers as it should. I’ve experienced nose dive on a full magazine + 1 in the chamber with the 7 round mag. So I just run it with 7 rounds or 6 + 1 chambered.

Watching the video caused my Micro9 to tremble in my pocket. I had to assure it I wouldn't treat it that way. I love mine, but good to know it will stand more than I will put it through. Thank you.

A nice little gun. More reliable than I thought it would be

I have a Micro 9 and it pained me to see you torture it especially throwing it. I would cry if I dropped mine. Love the gun and the video

Awesome video Ive been wanting one of these since they first came out but was a bit unsure till I saw a full review. Thanks again!

This has got to be the best review I've ever seen. I am buying this gun

@GY6vids

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated kind words😎🤝

Thanks for the honest review on the Micro 9, I have 2, I carry a Cabela's Special Edition and I also have the DT.

Your video was great and walked me through every step while looking at the Kimber Manual (which is good) at the same time here or there. Excellent!

Been a huge fan of your videos for awhile now, I love the amount of work and detail you put into your reviews, it definitely shows. The most badass thing however is how you take the time to respond to your subscribers! Keep up the amazing work bro, your a true inspiration! It's always a joy to see new videos from you in my notifications list!

Well, gun is impressively robust. Thanks, nice vid and good review as always!

Thank you for a really thorough torture test... I am on the fence on the P938 vs Kimber Micro 9 and you provided very good info for me to go on!!

@sherlock1895

2 ай бұрын

You’ll be very pleased with the Kimber. Cheers!

I literally just got back from shooting mine. Same color and everything. Only had it a few months, but so far so good.

I actually just got the desert tan Micro 9 in 9mm. So far I love it, not about to put it through a,torture test like you did but seeing you do it reinforces my opinions on the gun so far.

@hunterfishergather6879

Жыл бұрын

What rounds cycle best?

The battery will not go dead if you leave it in the on position. According to Crimson Trace you can leave the battery in the on position indefinitely and it will not drain the battery at all the only thing that will drain the battery is while you're holding the grip in the laser is actually Shining. While the laser is shining it's good for 40 hours

Your testing made my stomach hurt! Kimber makes good firearms. Thanks.

I just saw this for the first time. I was looking for a smaller off duty gun for summer. I was looking for a Sig P938, but bought one of theses. I like the beaver tail better for my hand. It runs just fine. I’m glad you did the torture test, I’d never do that to mine 😮😅

@GY6vids

11 ай бұрын

Yeah it hurt my souls to toss it

This video makes me feel like people are exaggerating reliability issues concerning small Kimbers. Glad I watched this. Makes me feel more confident about a potential purchase.

@Venomxjjb

5 жыл бұрын

People bitch about kimbers because theres so many out there.

I feel like a lot of Kimbers are range queens or safe queens so its nice to see one actually get beat up.

Excellent video brother. Time line cheat is great. The entire video is a great watch 👌. Thanks again.

@GY6vids

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed! Thanks for watching my content. Welcome to GY6vids

Great video. I appreciate the durability tests.... even though they made me wanna cry 😅

Great review, you put that thing to the test. been researching something for the wife and am pretty sold on the Kimber micro 9, thanks. Again great video.

just bought one yesterday...LOVE IT

@GY6vids

9 ай бұрын

Great to hear!

One thing I've been looking for is a good 5.7 x 28mm ballistics demo and I probably love your ballistics reviews more than anyone else's - I'm sure a lot of people would be interested in what you had to say. Hello from Florida btw! Love your videos!

Great review. Great video production...as always. Keep up the good work. Your quality of production is head and shoulders above the others on KZread and elsewhere.

Great information, I'm sold on it. Time line was great too.

Best honest and real gun review I've come across. Great job. 👍 I'm trying to decide between the mirco 9 and the glock 43.

Wow! Great video, that’s the way you want your gun to handle, ya never know what circumstances you might come across! Not everything is in a controlled environment. Thank you and man yer killing me with the drops and dirt! What kinda mags. Are you using?

@GY6vids

6 ай бұрын

Thank you! I’m using factory Kimber mags.

The 1911 grip safety is an ingenious design; it makes the weapon eminently safe and doesn't inhibit function at all. The only reason other manufacturers do not use it is because it is more expensive to produce as are hammers, and safeties in general; hammerless handguns without safeties are less expensive to manufacture which means higher margins for manufactures.

Hello Andrew and a Happy New Years wish to you! Very good comprehensive review of the Kimber Micro 9. As an owner I was cringing at all the abuse you put that piece through. But appreciate it just the same! I’ve owned mine for just over a year now, have ran approximately 500 rounds through, from the very first out of the box rounds, I’ve had a fantastic shot group, very similar to yours, with at least one through the bullseye with every magazine I run. I’ve used only new name brand ammo, FMJ, hollow point plus Hornady Critical Defense, since day one with just two failure to fire, but easily corrected with a bump. Both happened during a time I was not cleaning after each usage, just to see how far that could go before effecting performance, sort of my own test. That surprisingly took five outings, with about 100 rounds, with just 2 FTF! That I consider not too bad! Oh it’s not like the Glock I have, that has been totally flawless in operation of running over 600 rounds over the course of 3 years. But that pistol is just too big an ungainly for a CC! But my Kimber, in the nice little black leather pocket/inside the waistband holster, is the perfect CC weapon. Pretty to.

I have a micro .380 raptor. Awesome little gun! It's been reliable so far and very fun to shoot. The raptor has an ambi safety and night sights.

Just bought a Kimber Micro 9 for my wife and I to carry. Can't wait to take 'em to the range. You mentioned San Juan Armory in the video. Have a URL to share for that outfit?

Excellent review and reactive targets.

@GY6vids

9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

you should put a 1,000 rounds through it in one day. that should be a fun video and a good test

Love this review! One of the most thorough I have seen!

These guns are really hit-or-miss. Half of them work great, and half of them have all kinds of issues. I was really disappointed because the one I had I always had a failure to feed issues. The gun kept jamming constantly. I was really disappointed because it was the most expensive firearm that I ever purchased. If you can get one that is reliable they are amazing for concealed carrying. Nice and light. I had to get rid of mine though because it just wasn't reliable enough. If you want a small Kimber I would recommend the Kimber Evo. Much more consistent

First time viewer, loved this vid! Never seen anyone torture test a pistol, it was great. Keep up the good work!

Enjoyed the torture test but god man mistreating a nice gun like that!! Lol

I generally watch for your more crazy action packed videos but I enjoyed this I don't know to much about guns but this one seemed pretty solid

@mig50cc

7 жыл бұрын

Austin Wasn't too long ago I didn't know much about guns either. Loved them ever since I started learning about them, so much fun to go to a range and shoot.

This is a good review. Especially with a torture and drop test, wasn’t expecting that.

New Subscriber Great video. Much more realistic torture test than another channel I won't mention.

Super thorough! Beat the shit out of that thing. Nicely done!

Thanks for your review. Extensive review...great job and thanks again.

Today is 2022. The Micro now costs $750-$800 The trigger is long and three stage. (If you were expecting a 1911 type of trigger) The single stack design hurts some, A double stack would have been sweet. Kimber demands you fire it 400 rounds before they will accept it back for work. VS other brands that are cheaper and work out of the box.

Awesome vid...I've had 2 local ranges complain that their Micro 9 rentals both had to go back to the shop on multiple occasions after heavy HEAVY use by renters...one even had a cracked frame. But this video kinda gives me more faith in the Micro 9 now. I'm desperately looking to get a subcompact 1911 of some kind...so far, the Sig 938 has given me the most encouragement, despite the massive cost. What are your thoughts on compact 45s? The Springfield Range Officer Compact seems manageable (though my rental kept failing to feed every 10th shot, but...it was a rental). I'd like to get a Colt Defender, but nobody has one for rental to test.

Kimber did a superb job with the Micro 9 and you did Great with the demonstrations as well as the photography & imagery. However, with traditional 1911’s, it’s a Grip safety & not blackstrap safety.