Love your vids!!! Would love to see some on drum gating (especially tom gating for punch) and compression, and live electric guitar tips and tricks. Keep up the good work!!

Very good tuto; thanks

great video, thanks!

This is always be my 'go to' video for processing Kicks. Ace work as always, and your style of instruction is perfect. Thanks again

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Due to a suggestion below, I've added a companion video to this that is only Kick drum EQ visuals and audio. No narration. If you want to listen to the EQ changes in their entirety and see the changes in realtime then you can click the link in video or click here after watching the main video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Ypl1z6WolcjPo7Q.html I tried to keep this one as short as I could and still hit the important points. At some point I might do a companion video, or deeper dive video, explaining things like "Q" settings... low shelving and high shelving EQ vs PEQ or VEQ... and maybe a little more info on the low cut/HPF just for some more clarity behind its purpose (or purposes)... Let me know if there are any questions, or topics you'd like to see covered in future videos. Amazon Affiliate Links: Shure Beta 52: amzn.to/3qgJUmm Shure Drum Mic Kit: amzn.to/2XBazO8 Behringer XR18 on Amazon: amzn.to/2LfTpmO Midas MR18 on Amazon: amzn.to/3q4Z4Li Behringer X32 on Amazon: amzn.to/35oCcyo Midas M32 on Amazon: amzn.to/3ovhi8n Videos: How To EQ A Snare Drum: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mX2I0KRpmLSfkdY.html 5 Typical Mistakes Behringer XR18 and Midas MR18 Users Make: kzread.info/dash/bejne/d52guKapY5ynaco.html Tech Videos Playlist: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5uu1ad-oq7Kkps.html

Definitely going to come in handy... Subscribed!

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!!! 🙂

I love these videos Alan!

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

So useful

Subbed. Extremely useful info!!! Thank you!

@AlanHamiltonAudio

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! :)

Thanks Alex

Excellent video, thanks

@AlanHamiltonAudio

4 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Good, as always!

@AlanHamiltonAudio

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

You just earned my subscription

@AlanHamiltonAudio

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙂

Looks like how I've been doing my kick for years. Instead of saving the EQ setting, I've built a whole scene with preliminary settings for each channel. I have one for a four piece band and another for a five piece. I generally use my mics on the drums and instruments, and allow the band to use their vocal mics if they want. My settings are for my particular mics, but it's easy enough to change settings for someone else's vocal mic. It saves a great deal of time on the sound check.

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

I do a bit of both. I've got show scenes saved that I can call up for baselines, and I have channels saved in the library... So between the show scene, cut and paste, and channel library settings, I can have a baseline up pretty quickly no matter which way it needs to go.

Have this same mic I'm gonna try this next time and hear my results

Awesome tutorial, you have a great way of explaining things. Had my Live kicks good, but now they'll be great in less time. Can't wait to see you do dynamics and gating. My main take away from this vid is, Low Cut at about 30-40, move to low mid, then shelve the low boost 60-80, experiment with Q's (high peq), 3 - 5k cut last, then fine tune it all. Thanks Alan!!! Liked, Saved, and Subed :)

@AlanHamiltonAudio

2 жыл бұрын

Cool! Thanks!

Loud and Clear Alan. #RnBDSidestreetBand

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

This is a great video, but I suspect that most of us start with a kick sound that's a lot more sucky, and needs more help 😎🤘

best video ever !!!!

@AlanHamiltonAudio

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🙂

THANKS

@AlanHamiltonAudio

4 ай бұрын

You're welcome!

Ich hab dich mit der Martin Miller band gesehen du warst mega

Set up the kick with this profile and it was perfect.

@AlanHamiltonAudio

10 ай бұрын

Cool. Glad it helped!

Hai Alan ,can you tell how to eq electric drum ?

thsnk you so much for this video it has helped me getting the ball rolling on mixing drums which sounds too scary to me still. I have a question. does this video work with both kick in and kick out? I am in process of mixing drums that were recorded live in a DAW and I received both kick in and kick out and now im a bit confused how to EQ both of them using your video ! thank you

@AlanHamiltonAudio

9 ай бұрын

What I do is treat the out mic the same (essentially) as in this video, except I maybe don't get as aggressive with the attack/click. But, still enough that by itself the kick out mic would still sound pretty good. Then I use a HPF on the Kick in mic and dial in more attack on it and blend it in with the kick out mic. If you watch this soundcheck video, I think you can see what am I doing with a gig using a kick in and kick out mic: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nWarydCJgazFmdY.html

Very cool. Please do this on toms and snares as well. Thanks

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I plan to a series of EQ topics so I'll definitely hit on toms and snares.

@jazzylei143

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio WOW, looking forward to it.

@toddfritz7880

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio ha! “Hit” on toms sand snares. That’s funny.

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@toddfritz7880 The funniest part is... That was unintentional! LOL

Alan - have you considered doing some videos on your approach to gating and compressing drums? Another good topic would be side chain filtering the bass guitar with the kick. I'm interested to hear your thoughts and philosophies on these topics. I've started taking advantage of mixing stations VU meter (I hope that's right). It actually allows you to view the gain reduction of gates and compressors in a rolling graphical format so you can see how the signal is being attenuated. Thoughts on using this meter to fine tune the gate and compressor settings? Thanks as always

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

If regular shows would ever re-start, my plan is to multi-track some things (I have the Live card in one of the X32's also) to have a live stage multi-track to use as examples of some things. Drums and gating being high on the list. And being on an actual live stage, being important to the overall concept. I don't necessarily gate to shorten the tom length or the kick length. I might in some cases, but usually it's to keep other things out of the mics. Or at least minimize it. Especially with toms where they can be picking up cymbals, the snare, the kick, the bass guitar, the vocals, and the guitars. The kick placement usually provides some isolation with the nose of the mic inside the kick. Or in the case of an SM91 or Beta 91, entirely in the kick. Cymbals, on a live stage, get a lot of the bleed minimized with an aggressive HPF. But the toms need those lows and low mids where a lot of the stage wash is also at. Of course, the hit on the tom itself has good S/N ratio, but as soon as the tom sound starts to decay, here comes everything else full steam ahead. So, that's what I'm usually using the gate for. Especially on well tuned and played drums. And in that case, I'm using full attenuation. I hardly ever don't use full attenuation. And if I don't use full attenuation, it's usually a cheat for when I didn't use OH's, small stage/venue, and didn't think they'd be necessary (or overkill), and then find out... "Hey, I could use some cymbals in this mix!" ;) I don't necessarily pay attention to the gate's gain reduction meter all that closely since it's pretty audible what is going on. Although when setting it, I probably do give it glance to make sure it's opening properly and doesn't look too loose or tight. And frequency selective gating works great. Let it open on the thud of the drum and not the ding of the ride. Or the mids of the snare. Comps are an entirely different ball or wax for me. Slow attack for drums usually. And I will aggressively comp a rock snare usually. And country rimshots get aggressive comping too. I don't get as aggressive on the toms and kick... usually... But it depends on the drummer and genre too. If I'm mixing a jazz band, I let things be more natural. Stage bleed doesn't get to be such a problem anyway. I'll lean more on the OH's as overall drum sound and not just cymbals.... which means those aggressive HPF settings go away.

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

And I'm constantly referencing the gain reduction meter on the comps.

@mestock23

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio thanks for your insights! For the gate and comp filtering do you know if the mixer is looking at pre or post EQ? Or does it depend on where in the chain the gate or compressor is acting? Thanks

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@mestock23 Off the top of my head, I think the gate is always pre EQ in both the X32 and XR18 (M32 and MR18), but the compressor can be either and is user changeable in the X/M32 but is fixed post EQ in the XR18/MR18.

What are your thoughts on gates and compression on the kick? Do you put any effects on it? If I'm specifically going for a punchier sound do you recommend using a gate to cut down on the sustain or rely on compression? I guess that also brings into play muffling.... if you have drums that ring too much do you muffle first or use gates to eliminate that ringing?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

I do put a gate on a kick but not necessarily a really tight one. Drummers and drum technology have gotten pretty good about kicks not being overly ringy and droning on. A lot of times for drums, I'm gating more to keep surrounding drums and cymbals (and other stage gak) out of the drum mics. And I'll use frequency selective gating... So 60Hz sounds open the kick... 100Hz opens the toms... Or settings in that region. That way the ping of cymbal doesn't open a mic, but the thud of the drum does. As for compression on drums... make sure you use a slow attack. You want the attack of the drum to really come thru and THEN the comp act on the signal. At least generally. That way you get a lot of stick or beater, but the following part is clamped down on a bit.

Alan ! I use and XR-18 on my PC and Reaper as my DAW Is there a way to be able to use XR-18 mixer, FX etc. to control Reaper ! Once I engage Reaper it only allows me to adjust gain per channel ??

@AlanHamiltonAudio

Жыл бұрын

Have you watched my video on connecting Reaper to the XR18? Pretty sure one section talks about this... if I understand your question... It's all in the routing. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qo2hrKmyotK8lZM.html

press on RTA Please

Hi Alan: do you have a EQ video for the overheads and Hi Hat? Thanks

@AlanHamiltonAudio

2 жыл бұрын

I haven't really done one. I haven't figured out a good way to present that info. There are a couple of considerations...If you're talking live music, and rock/pop/modern country then the OH's are most likely doing cymbal duty more than shaping the kit sound. In that case, I'm likely to high pass (low cut) the OH's and hats at 400Hz. I'm looking to add to the top of the cymbal sounds, and not trying to capture toms, snare, etc as a main goal in that scenario. Plus I want to keep out stage wash. I don't need guitars, bass, etc. in the OH's as much as I can avoid it. That might be enough as far as EQ... Or I might scoop out something around 600-800hz a few dB to smooth the sound. If the cymbals need some shimmer, I might add a high shelf at around 10kHz and a few db of boost. If the cymbals/hats seem 'ice-picky' then that is usually a reason to cut around 6kHz, and maybe not add that 10K boost either. I usually pan the OH's 3/4 to their dominant side. OTOH, for studio a lot of this would apply, but things like that HPF might get lowered a lot to also add something to the overall kit. Or live or studio, for a jazz kit, I might not even mic the toms individually so the OH's are there to definitely capture the kit sound overall. So, much less low cut. I want the drums to sound balanced and really natural in that case. Nothing really exaggerated like I might with a more pop/rock mix.

@alecualex5920

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio Thank you Alan for this useful informations.

@tomstrizak1117

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio Great insight, thx for sharing

Hey Alan what kind of eq settings do you use on a kick in mic beta 91 in unison with a kick out b52?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

10 ай бұрын

I sort of treat the B52 the same whether there's one mic or two, and start with it at soundcheck. Maybe not being as aggressive on the high mids since I know the B91 will be adding that attack anyway. But, at least how I do it, if the B91 was not there, the B52 would still be OK. It wouldn't sound 'odd' by itself. Definitely, not muddy or just a woof. It would be, essentially, 'normal' sounding. But there's no point in really going overboard on the kick attack either since I know I'll be getting that from the 'in' mic. For the 91, I'd generally high pass it aggressively. I just looked at a scene and I had the HPF at 400Hz. Then for click or attack, a boost in that 2K and 6K region. How much would depend on how aggressive I wanted the kick and the genre. Although, it can be aggressive (6dB ish boost) on the EQ because you're also going to blend that attack in with the channel fader(s) and balance that 91 with the B52 (out) mic. So, by itself, the 91 could be extra 'clicky' (to a point anyway), but you're not necessarily bringing that channel up equal in level with the out mic. So it's only by itself someone might think the click was too much from the 91. If you only bring that mic up and it's -10dB down from the B52 in the mix, then it's definitely not going to have an aggressive beater in the mix if you don't want that sound. Although, odds are, if you're using two mics on the kick, you DO want more than what you'd hear if the in mic was -10dB down... So it's probably going to be be blended higher than that between the two faders anyway. I also might widen the Q on those high mid and secondary higher points on the 91. But that's something I might do on the 52 as well, but if there are two mics in use, it's probably less important on the 52 than it would be by itself. It's possible that inverting the polarity on the 'in' mic might sound better... or not... but the aggressive HPF helps to mitigate any cancellation in the low end anyway. And on that note, with aux fed subs, only the out mic is going to the subs. Not the 91. That's how I approach it.

@jlmusic674

10 ай бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio thank you so much for the explanation that's exactly the info I needed to hear.

Please note the B52 have a litttle equalizer circuit inside the mike that cuts the mid range, besides the B52 is a delicate mike, in my decades two B52 was death, it never happen with D112, B52 sound better for kick and require only bit eq, D112 is more robust and require a more agressive eq than B52, i prefer the D112 that can be used efficiently also to pick up a bass player or other kind of big drum. Don’t forget the sm91 (now beta91a) and sennheiser e901 perfect condenser mikes for a more agressive sound with a fast attack, and if you have not any budget put a sm58 over a pillow inside the kick drum and you have a perfect sound.

@djabthrash

11 ай бұрын

And the Audix D6 for aggressive sound too

I find RTA meters on in this screen useful but not in place of ears.

Hi Alan. In your experience what do you prefer...a kick port or no kick port?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

4 ай бұрын

Definitely with a hole in it UNLESS it's a genre that calls for a less prominent kick sound OR the drummer has a mic permanently mounted inside the kick. It's typically more about getting the mic inside the kick and getting 'that' sound than it is about the hole and what it does to the sound. Jazz or old time country... don't 'need' the port... But if it's there, you can still get a genre appropriate kick sound. Metallica tribute band? Definitely want the port. But really anything where you want a clear, defined kick, with thump AND the beater, it's just much easier to get that sound with a port. And 'beyond' that sound... so you have room to work and tweak the kick sound more. Don't want it super-clicky, don't add as much high mids and mids... Want it really clicky? Add more high mids and/or high end area of the beater. Even without doing much of anything, with a normal kick mic and a port the kick sound will be less muddy. If there's a hole in the head then there's an entire palette of options for the sounds you can get and manipulate as the case might be. Without it, it gets way more limiting. Also, the hole in the head allows the mic to be placed inside (or at least the front of the mic inside) the kick drum which becomes a natural shield to outside sounds getting in the kick mic. Which lets the mic, and operator, focus more on the kick sound. Now, if we're not talking about a standard port hole ring and instead one of the 'port enhancer' things that actually has depth to it... I'm less thrilled with that. If you're micing the kick, then it's not really helpful over just a standard port IMO. I have mic'ed the beater side of a kick in situations where the genre called for more kick attack and the front just didn't cut it on a non-ported kick drum. I don't recall if I blended two mics in that case and flipped the polarity of the beater side or only used the beater side. ...Been a while... Normally, I just put the mic in front no matter what, or a boundary mic inside.

@santanafan1713

4 ай бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio WOW thanks for taking the time for an extensive explanation. Much appreciated. We have a Santana tribute band...so its Latin Rock we play.

@AlanHamiltonAudio

4 ай бұрын

@@santanafan1713 I'd definitely prefer the kick ported if I was you. Way more sonic options that way for the sound system, mic placement, EQ, and kick emphasis and de-emphasis points. IOW, to get a good sounding live kick in the PA (for any genre), it's just easier to do if you're starting with ported kick. And in some cases, it's the only (practical) way to get certain kick sounds out front. But OTOH it doesn't really 'hurt' even if you want a more natural, less kick prominent or mellow kick sound either. So you just have that wider palette like I mentioned earlier in front of you at the console.

Where did you get your robo drummer sound?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

It's probably from SSD5.5, but I have several samples and at this point I don't remember which I used. I just remember looking for one that sounded pretty raw and natural vs already processed. Pretty sure I used one from SSD5.5, but I can't say it wasn't one from the sample library at this point.

hi Alan i got the electric drum so how do i eq it

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 ай бұрын

Assuming we're talking drum samples and not synth drums, it's not a whole lot different than in the video EXCEPT: There's a good chance the sample(s) you like have already been manipulated in ways just like the video mentions so that it sounds good (read: produced/EQ'ed/Processed) "out of the box". You always want to use your ear but maybe just start by being way more conservative than what you see me doing in the video. It's possible all you need to do is add the HPF and it'll sound fine. Or maybe just a little 80Hz shelf bump. Or just a 3-5dB low mid cut. Maybe it just needs a little high mid/high area boost for the beater click. Long story short, you can still treat it like shown in the video... just use your ears and consider that you might need to be more conservative. And not all samples are created equal... some are already tweaked for you as I mentioned above... some will be more 'natural' sounding 'out of the box' so that you can treat the kick sample more like you would your own mic'ed kick drum. TLDR: If it sounds pretty good, go conservative on it. If it sounds like it needs some help, be more aggressive. But either way, generally follow the examples in the video and just use your ears to hear what's working in the 'good direction' and what's going the wrong way. Or going too much.

when i live streaming, i can't hear the kick.. it's like dissapear :O my kick sound mud like 'bup.. bup.. bup..' (very smol) I put foam in it, then on the head kick where the beater hit I put cloth too, does that affect? i've gain up the volume, but nothing change, should i boost the low freq kick on mixer? or anything to get my kicks heard?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Make sure on whatever bus output you're taking your live stream feed from, you don't have too much lows rolled off or anything like that. Check for low cut /HPF settings. Do you also have a live mix going from the same console? Does the kick sound OK live? Are you using aux fed subs in the room (if you do have a live mix in the room going on too)? If your mix is going off a bus/aux it's possible you're sending it Pre-EQ so nothing you're doing on the channel strip is getting to the stream. What mixer are you using? Of course if you're coming off the main L-R out then this isn't the issue. In this video, it talks a little about mixing to a stream and a couple of options and considerations: kzread.info/dash/bejne/k4KgpLGImLrIito.html This one does too but it's pretty much just an overview compared to the above: kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqaCmrmkZpzYYs4.html

@moyimowi7961

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio my mixer is analog and i use vmix for livestream, does that affect?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@moyimowi7961 No, the concepts are the same, but without knowing the model or your setup I don't know what options it has or that you're using.

@moyimowi7961

3 жыл бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio i've 2 mixer, 1 for my drum only and 1 is the main mixer for my bass, guitar, and midi, the output main mixer go to behringer umc22 and than go to my pc. the soundcard only has 1 input, I once asked my uncle who is a sound engineer, that 1 input soundcard can affect my kick, therefore my kick is not heard. what's wrong with the soundcard or the mixer?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

@@moyimowi7961 I've got to leave now but I will try and remember to come back to this later tonight.

Was it really hard to take the more common and obvious equalizer as an example??? ((

@AlanHamiltonAudio

7 ай бұрын

That's about as common of an EQ example as they come.

I appreciate the effort.... but no offense you talk too much, we need time to listen to the comparisons, we don’t even get time to listen to the differences much quit talking that much in those instances man, we don’t care if the video is long we like the content so let us enjoy the content

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Noted. Thanks.

@AlanHamiltonAudio

3 жыл бұрын

Here is a quick edit of just the kick drum EQ itself with just EQ adjustment visuals and kick drum audio: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Ypl1z6WolcjPo7Q.html

make sure your eq is engaged xDD damn true story as stupid as it sounds

@AlanHamiltonAudio

11 ай бұрын

Oh yeah!

@Dozereyes

20 күн бұрын

@@AlanHamiltonAudio what does xDD mean?

@AlanHamiltonAudio

20 күн бұрын

@@Dozereyes XD= "Big laugh"... More DD's mean 'Bigger laugh'. The OP was just joking about how people can tweak on EQ's, THINK they're making a difference, then later notice the EQ was bypassed. So.... "Big Laugh" 🤣😂🙂