Am glad Jim Kibler made things right with you. Kibler is in my home state of Ohio. My collection of seven longrifles is comprised of all ,62 calibers mid 1700's. Began black powder shooting and re-enactments in 1978. Am 76 years of age. Waited until Kibler came out with a fowler. Got on the Kibler order list for a 20 gauge smoothbore May 19th. Am awaiting the first group of fowlers to be manufactured. As a subscriber I enjoy your videos. Please keep them coming.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

All of mine are .50 caliber. You got into this black powder clan about the same time I did. Thank you for watching and for commenting. Dennis

@davefellhoelter1343

Ай бұрын

1976! Rem 1858 new army kit, 58 yrs young Kid! DIY it all! LORD! "I would?" loves' me a Kibler's 45 and 50.

I am surely glad you got your rifle shooting such tight groups. Just from watching your videos you seem like a very good person and your style of hunting reminds me of my own. Have a good day and God bless you.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

3 күн бұрын

Thank you Sir for watching and for your kind comments.

I went through a similar situation with a .45 call Woodsrunner. Shooting five shot groups three or four shoots would be in a good group but one or two (in no particular order) and sometimes three would be a flyer and I would find cut patches even after polishing the bore. My borescope had died on me so I ordered a new one. Low and behold after I got the new one there was a tool mark across a land and almost all the way through its thickness, so I called Kibler and explained what I found and emailed them photos of the bore. Within an hour I received an email that a new barrel was being mailed to me with a return label for the old barrel. So, I also had a happy ending. By the way Kibler's has a top-notch customer service staff. Very friendly and helpful. When I get the money saved up I want to get a Southern Mountain Rifle than maybe a Fowler.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

3 күн бұрын

Any factory can have a barrel slip by that us not up to snuff I reckon. It is what they do after a problem comes up that matters. Thanks for sharing.

@LameWolff

2 күн бұрын

@@dennispritchardoutdoors7882 Jim stands behind his product. By the way, yours is a cherry stock?

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

2 күн бұрын

@@LameWolff yes Sir, it is cherry, my favorite wood for flintlocks. No reason other than i just think it looks good. Plain vanilla.

@LameWolff

2 күн бұрын

@@dennispritchardoutdoors7882 I have been thinking about a Southern Mt. rifle in cherry. Thank you..

Howdy Dennis, good customer service goes a long way for happy customers. Happy to hear the team at kiblers got it shooting accurately I have a Woods Runner cherry stock and .54 cal. I love it! God bless you and your woman, watch your back trail and I'll see you along the trail.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Kibler has the very best customer service around. Great company producing a great product. Jim Kibler can be proud.

Sir, I enjoyed your video, though I could feel your angst with the accuracy issue the gun encountered. So glad you were able to get up and running to your satisfaction, hope the new front sight does exactly what you want it to do !!!

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

2 күн бұрын

@@pipertoplay it is up and running very well. And the accuracy is outstanding. Thank you for watching.

I couldn’t be happier for you! Good man Dennis!

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Now a happy camper!

Thanks Kindly! I really enjoyed your video and I have been wanting to buy a Kibler. A few more Pennie’s to go and I will indeed! I have subscribed. Many Blessings and Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

You will certainly enjoy your Kibler regardless of which one you decide on.

I’m glad to see this. I’m about to order a woods runner, then as a second the 20 ga Fowler. Love your videos.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

You will love the Woodsrunner. When I can afford it I too will order the fowler. Thank you for watching and for commenting.

Glad it worked out in the end for you. I’m thinking about pulling the trigger and getting one myself. You can get a lemon in anything. It’s how it’s handled by the seller that counts

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Hope you get your Woodsrunner. You will love it.

Improper cheek weld causes erratic shot groups and inconsistency, and always leads to the shooter being more and more uncomfortable during a long day of shooting. This inconsistency and erratic performance naturally leads to frustration and a lack of confidence. The first consideration for setting the proper cheek height should be that it’s high enough that you do not need to hold your head up with your neck to get a good clear view through your sights. I am an old man and the last thing I want to hear is that it is me, but I have to admit that my eyes are not as sharp and my cheeks sent the fat to my belly, I also pee a lot more times but with less volume, and if it gets hot outside I get batwings and I don't like any of it, but when I finally started concentrating more on my cheek weld the groups got tighter. In May I got one of my batwings stuck in the zipper of a pair of wranglers, and nothing and I mean nothing is more humbling than that, and pride and shame is why no one warns anyone about this danger. God bless old Mr. Levi the inventor of the safe button fly.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Sounds about right to me.

That's awesome! Jim kibler is great, and his rifles . I've got a colonial in 58cal., and a woodsrunner in 54cal. And I love them, my next one is going to be a fowler 🤠 I'm already saving my pennies .

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

I am also saving my pennies for another Kibler. Probably the fowler.

That"s some fine customer service...and a fine looking rifle right there!...woods

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

The very best customer service

I hear such wonderful things about Kibler. Glad he took good care of you. I’m holding out for his (hopefully coming soon) Hawken kit.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

All of Jim Kiblers offerings are fantastic firearms. Jim is apparently, like so many of us, is a fan of the flintlock. The Hawken, as good as they were, were almost exclusively cap locks. And they were in use pretty much after even the western fur trade ended. At any rate Hawkens were 1800’s rifles. Jim’s are , at least so far, all 1700 types. I myself have several Hawken type rifles, but they see little use these days. Personal opinion of course, those short heavy cap locks just just lack something when compared to a flintlock long rifle. There is a Gentleman on KZread that has a very good and detailed history of the Hawken. Very interesting.

@TheModernDayMountainMan

Ай бұрын

@@dennispritchardoutdoors7882 absolutely! For me it’s the lines and general looks of the rifle that captivates me. I think they are just beautiful rifles in general. That being said, you are absolutely correct in that there is just something about a flintlock that can’t be replaced. And being a flintknapper, I’d never need to worry about caps, haha. I’m hoping Jim will come out with a Lancaster type rifle soon, because I’d probably jump on one of those before his Hawken offering comes out.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

@@TheModernDayMountainMan I just looked up the KZread video that I was referring to. The title is, “The Role of the Hawken Rifle in the Rocky Mountain Fur Trade,” the channel is Hawken Classic.

@TheModernDayMountainMan

Ай бұрын

@@dennispritchardoutdoors7882 thanks! I follow them. I may have seen it but I’ll certainly watch it again.

Knew Jim would make it right . Glad you are happy with your Woodsrunner now.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

I am more than just happy now. I love this rifle and it is a shooter these days.

i had a tompson center that i had a 308 barrell and a 50cal muzzle loader barrel with. the 308 would shoot sub moa at 100 with just about any ammo you put in it. that muzzle loader barrel wouldn't group better that a 3 inch group at 50 yards and i tried everything from powder, loads, to hinge pins. sent it back to tc twice. finally told a friend of mine if he wanted it he could have it. that situation will keep you up at night. nothing more frustrating, especially, for someone with the experience you've got.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

I am a bit surprised that your TC would not shoot well. I did have one if their inline s but I do have one of their Hawkens. Friends have their inlines and they all shoot well. But one that will not group will drive you nuts for sure.

I am 87 year old this spring god bless simper fi

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

9 күн бұрын

@@D5quared91 good to hear from someone that is older than me!!!!!!! God bless you Sir: and thank you for both watching and commenting.

Also I think mine likes what you’re rifle likes 70 to 80. I just got my new sights in the mail the front sight is a bit taller I think I got the same front sight but it’s a better sight. I was shooting originally way low and then took to much off and was shooting too high 😂! So I called Kibler and Brea sent me the sights. The front sight I think is going to do the trick it’s only slightly taller than the original. Unfortunately I don’t have the time to get it ready for tomorrow. I’m looking forward to your next video and what you end up with as a final load. Being I’m using 2F in mine I am going to bump each load up by 5 grains. I was getting good accuracy horizontally it was the vertical that I kind of struggled with but not really it’s a new rifle the barrel needs to be broken in or seasoned. I had no misfires the lock is ballistic sparker. Again I am happy to see you got it sorted out I felt your pain and frustration while you were trying to develop your loads for it. They are beautiful rifles and not Bragging but I own all of the models Kibler produced the SMR in each caliber available! 😂! Very difficult to decide which one i am going to shoot. I will get the fowler next year. I have to say that all Kibler rifles are sweet but my favorite is the SMR! So easy to shoot and nice and light. I mainly use the 45. Though I was amazed at the accuracy of the 32 and 36 calibers. They require so little powder it is hard to get used to 😂! I know money doesn’t grow on trees but don’t rule out a n SMR pure Southern Comfort in my opinion. Take good care!

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

It is easy to file too much off that front sight. Speaking from personal experience I am. My Woodsrunner, so far, is showing a preference for around 80 grains of Swiss 3F. But I will do lots more shooting before I can say for certain what the pet load really is. As to your vertical stringing problem. I have the same issue. Don’t know if it is caused by the same thing. In my case it is the fact that my sights, especially the front, is never perfectly clear and sharp. Both the front post and the rear notch are blurred. Even though both are out of focus the eye will just naturally center the front sight in the rear notch horizontally. The real problem for me is I can’t decide just where the top of those fuzzy sights is. And since the target is also a little blurred, and I take a six o’clock hold, I can never be sure of my aim vertically. Therefore I tend to string my shots vertically. I can see both sights better with my left eye and therefore, I have begun to do more left handed shooting. Not as comfortable with that but I am working in it. My dream rifle was always a SMR in .45 caliber. But when a good friend put up the money for a Kibler kit I made the decision to go with the Woodsrunner. At my passing he will get the rifle. And since he is a .54 caliber man I went with the .50 caliber Woodsrunner. A compromise if you will. But since all of my muzzleloaders are .50 cals it wasn’t much of compromise!! Still I would like to have that SMR. And a Fouler. Don’t hurt to dream. Take care my friend. Dennis

@joemolf3894

17 күн бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6WI07izdrjeqLA.htmlsi=yYO0onMFMjqcEHfn I wanted to share this with you it by Mike Bellevue who I consider an expert and backs up his claims with documentation. I’m not trying to get you to switch to 2F. Though you may be quite surprised especially when you compare grain sizes to velocity and felt recoil. The chart clearly shows how velocity falls off once you get over a certain point while at the same time 2F velocity is increased and felt recoil is lower than 3F. Based on the science if you follow the science not Faucies science LOL. So again I’m going to test this one of these days when I can. But until then I trust What Mike has posted he has never steered me wrong. I for one am not a fan of excessive recoil. I shoot my Wood Runner with 70 to 80 of 2F and I don’t get half the jump your rifle gets watching your videos. Obviously you’re seasoned to it and again use what works. So I’m just sharing with you because I know you would be interested. I found it very interesting. Take care and stay cool man it’s hot out!

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

17 күн бұрын

@@joemolf3894 I am very familiar with Mike and his channel. And I have seen this video before. As I have said before, I test what conventional wisdom says and observe my own results. I have both 2F and 3F and test them both. And in every single one of my .50 calibers 3F wins every time. EVERY time. I don’t own any rifle above .50 caliber. Most likely in bigger bores the coarser granulations would work better. I can see the theoretical advantage in larger bores , but I don’t find it to be so in .50 caliber. At least in MY .50’s. I think .50 caliber is the crossover. 3F up to .50 and 2F .50 and above depending on the individual rifle. That works for me. As far as recoil is concerned I see no difference in either 2 or 3f in any of my loads. But I never give recoil a second thought, especially using black powder. Recoil using black is not as sharp as smokeless. Lots of folks are seemingly recoil sensitive but I just have never given it much thought. To me it is a non issue.

@joemolf3894

17 күн бұрын

@@dennispritchardoutdoors7882 good man like i said and i agree 100 percent with you if it works stick with it. Stay cool its hot out to say the least. I found the recoil part interesting i had no idea. Thank you!

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

17 күн бұрын

@@joemolf3894 it has certainly been plenty hot around here these days. And dry. The streams are at a trickle.

I like your SAC hat

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

6 күн бұрын

@@garrettvoorhees6323 go Air Force!

Very interesting; on the video of the initial shot it appeared their was enormous right hand torque on the gun such that you could not have held the gun upright during a shot regardless of how firmly you held it. I have had great experience with Kibler however and can unequivocally recommend them so who knows?

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

3 күн бұрын

When shooting from the bench, or off hand either, I never try to hold the rifle firmly. I let it free recoil. Just enough backward pressure to keep it in contact with my shoulder. A firm grip merely introduces muscle tremor. The same technique employed by virtually all competitive shooters, including archers. That thin, rounded forearm, coupled with the heavy lock, has a tendency to cause the rifle to rotate to the right as it falls back down. Very observant. Thanks for watching.

Love your hat. 494th bomb wing Sheppard AFB 1962-1965.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

1962 to 1968 and was stationed everywhere it was HOT!

Great video Dennis. What distance were you shooting at?

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

I do most of my flintlock shooting at 60 yards since that is about the maximum distance I am likely to get a shot at a deer in these woods. But for walk around pot shooting at this and that the sky is the limit!!!

Yeah not that I continued watching the video I understand glad Jim took care of you so well

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Jim takes care of his customers for sure.

Glad it came out ok for you. I am about to start putting mine together. What distance are you sighting it in?

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

It all depends on what load my rifle likes. Which translates to velocity which translates to trajectory. If it is a fairly fast load I will zero at about 100 yards. Moderate loads at 80 yards. But regardless of velocity I want my bullet to hit within a couple of inches of my aim point at 40-60 yards. Those are the distances at which the vast majority of my shots at deer will be. So I suppose I could say it this way. My best zero is about 2 iches high at 50 yards. That works for me. Hope that answers your question.

@armadilloforge

Ай бұрын

@@dennispritchardoutdoors7882 Thanks!

Everything going left left left left left left on you is that that new go X powder

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

It was the barrel. As I said in the video Kibler replaced the original one.

@louisianagray8618

Ай бұрын

Yes sir I spoke too early in the video later found out that sure is a nice rifle hoping to get me one someday

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

@@louisianagray8618 yes the Kiblers are nice rifles. I wanted one for a long time before I was able to get one.

Dennis, what caliber is your woodsrunner? Thanks for posting.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

It is a .50 caliber

@waynerobinson6219

Ай бұрын

@@dennispritchardoutdoors7882 Wow!! My best load with the Woodsrunner .50cal is 50gr 3Fg but only sighted in at 50yrds punching groups on paper. Have not hunted with it, if so I might go higher on the charge like you as long as accuracy holds. Enjoy…

What distance were you shooting?

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Mostly at 60 yards. That is the maximum distance at which I am likely to get a shot at deer around these woods. However I do shoot , at non living targets, up to 300 yards.

Hello Dennis. I am 20mins into your video and am getting frustrated along with you! I am guessing the barrel must be moving in the stock for such random inaccuracies? Maybe a crowning prob? I hope you sort it by the end of this vid! It is a beautiful rifle and I am sure you will tame it. 30 mins later: Nice one Jim Kibler. That rifle has character now 👍

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

I think there was internal stress within the barrel metal itself. In my lifetime I have had one other rifle that had that problem. There are a few places that specialize in relieving metal stress by super freezing. But anyway Kibler replaced that barrel and I am very pleased with the new one.

Go Air Force.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Yes Sir!! Air Force all the way.

@alaska1andy959

Ай бұрын

I retired from the Air Force in 1993. 3 tours in Alaska. 10 years with a command called AFTAC.

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

@@alaska1andy959 except for 9 months out of 8 years my whole time was in SAC.

Sorry i ment 40 cal not 49

I couldn’t be happier for you! Good man Dennis!

@dennispritchardoutdoors7882

Ай бұрын

Thank you Sir!

@bradcunningham2735

22 күн бұрын

Dennis, I had a similar experience with a Kibler SMR. Jim replaced my barrel with a new one and it shoots great. I have bought a 54 Woodsrunner and have just gotten it finished. Looking forward to trying it out real soon. I couldn’t imagine a better customer service than what I got.