I'm with Glenn. Kendi isn't a baby, he's a grown man who is accountable for his own failings. The downfall of a charlatan prestige is always something to celebrate

@playapapapa23

10 ай бұрын

Yes!

@Boethius411

10 ай бұрын

Yep… he did way more than just take the money that was offered. The guy sucked up as much power as his delusions of grandeur could afford. He envisioned himself as the head of a government bureaucracy that would oversee every policy procedure and law ever passed to determine whether they were racist or not. He is the chief architect of everything is white supremacy is everywhere bs. A real cancel culture hero… real people suffered real damage because of his bs. Of course we can be happy he’s reaping his own fruits.

@mnkat9797

10 ай бұрын

​@@playapapapa23Absolutely! McWhorter, blame the white man again! Kendi: an affirmative action professor taking advantage of the grift.

@d.c.marsha9027

10 ай бұрын

I agree wholeheartedly, this is a grown man we are talking about. He made his own bed and now he has to lie in it

@english3082

9 ай бұрын

Kendi is not even his name. His hair and clothesvare all dress up. The man knew what his was doing.

All these race baiting grifters are an embarrassment to humans in general.

@brianmeen2158

10 ай бұрын

Not only embarrassing but they’ve helped stir racial tensions over the past 40 years. We would be much better off without them

@saltburner2

10 ай бұрын

Like Patrisse Cullors, he has learned how to turn a lie into a goldmine.

@BigPinkFloyd

10 ай бұрын

No they are not the embarrassment. You can't blame them for getting money where it's available. The embarrassment are the white people who are donating all the money to these grifters to try to assuage their guilt. Same with BLM. You can't blame BLM. They saw a scam to be had and took advantage of it. It was all white liberals who were falling over themselves to donate money to make themselves feel better. The racism scam in this country will never end as long as white liberals need a way to make themselves feel better.

@mauganra2589

10 ай бұрын

Amen

@ZetusZupedis

10 ай бұрын

crazy how people are defending Kendi in this thread, dude is a POS grifter lol

I have to give the palm to Glenn this time. "All of us would have taken the money and fame." No, John, your habit of attempting to sympathize has gone too far. "It's not his fault." He posed as someone knowledgeable, when he was both ignorant and pernicious. Yes, he's a villain.

@py_a_thon

10 ай бұрын

I forget who it was that drilled the idea into my head, yet many people always seemed to say something like: "I dont know' is a very useful phrase".

@ItssssJack

10 ай бұрын

Why is this guy pernicious? Trying to learn more about this Kendi guy. I think the only thing I've seen from him was around reparations and I thought what he said was compelling although his social manner was kind of annoying.

@py_a_thon

10 ай бұрын

@@ItssssJack I don't really know much about him, other than he is a pundit and/or polemecist or activist of some sort. (And a writer, teacher of some kind?) People often get annoyed tho when they see what they perceive to be race baiting content, where they believe the main function was for someone to make money. In some ways, it gives them cognitive dissonance...because they are like: I wouldn't write that book to get munny. Yet also they perhaps realize that exploiting capitalism is a sad necessity sometimes. Morality is not always profitable. Exploitation is often profitable. Some people want to watch the world burn, some want to profit off of fire, and others perhaps see the flames from afar and think: "Well that seems kinda stupid and immoral." I don't know. Anti-racism as a modern philosophy seems nowadays to be a socially/culturally divisive concept that is mostly used as a profitable exploit and means of gathering power.

@JOHN----DOE

10 ай бұрын

@@ItssssJack "He was going to solve the antiracist problem through research." THAT is an empty suit. Like no one has ever studied the historical complexities or tried to implement policy based on them before. That, indeed, is an insult to the tradition of people from W.E.B. DuBois on who have been working on this for decades. It's like saying, "I'm going to ignore all the cancer research done to date and set up a new Anti-Cancer Institute--although I really haven't done much actual research on cancer and don't know about those who have." Typical of the "no one existed before me" attitude of a lot of millennials. Reinventing light bulbs.

@brittneywitherspoon8530

10 ай бұрын

I don’t think John was sympathizing with Kendi. Kendi is self-indulgent/narcissistic, so he's not trying to merely pose as someone knowledgeable, he really believes that he is and that his work is special. So, to John’s point, if a person’s goal is to be a leading voice on an issue, of course they’re going to take the money and fame to advance their cause/brand, which they think is the Lord's work. It’s everyone else’s job to not give empty suits platforms.

He didn’t get thrust or swept up. He willfully went and did what he did. And like anyone else he should be held accountable.

@Rambleon444

10 ай бұрын

Oooh poor Kendi, it was the system that made him extremely rich while he did his part to help destroy America.

@saelind73

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. John is making him look like he's some 5 yrs old boy who was led by others, and the poor boy couldn't know and couldn't make a judgment. lol

@ninadaly7639

10 ай бұрын

@@saelind73Why, I wonder?

@lee399

10 ай бұрын

@@ninadaly7639 the New York Times

@MrJpmoneypants

10 ай бұрын

Correct! He’s an originator of the grift, not someone who got swept up in it. It’s literally his whole career.

We can blame Kendi for his embarrassingly dumb ideas but I think the REAL fault and problem lies with the people, institutions and media who actually accepted Kendi's thoughts as truth. They're the ones with the real power and platforms to cause damage with virtue signalling devoid of critical thought.

@anthonyhoh5073

10 ай бұрын

Agree who is the more foolish? The fool or the fools who follow him?

@darbyohara

10 ай бұрын

There have always been frauds like him. The travesty is the fools who actually listened to his rantings

@scratchpenny

10 ай бұрын

Right on. There are entire academic programs that are based on this guy's work.

@andrewjoyner4133

10 ай бұрын

@jackdillon yea I think Kendi was really just a pawn for liberal elites.

@maxprize829

10 ай бұрын

Very well said

When an ethical professional gets "thrust into" a position for which they are unqualified and in which they have insufficient interest to become proficient, they can do one of two things while maintaining their integrity. 1) decline the position 2) do the work necessary to perform the job adequately Kendi did neither.

@DisabusingTheLeft

10 ай бұрын

AMEN!!!! He deserves no excuses for "getting swept up". Why? Because he purposefully advanced foolish ideals upon unwitting, ignorant white people who gave him credence because he spoke well and had doctorate credentials. THAT in itself reveals a level of racist sympathy among the elitist white people who were willing to accept his idiocy as scholarly and social enlightenment. What he did was prey on the ignorance of white people who grew up not having much of any contact with black people and therefore had no idea how the black community operates or how black people think about American society. And he knew this and took advantage to bamboozle them.

@ninadaly7639

9 ай бұрын

Couldn’t have put it better myself. Well said!

The reason people feel joy at Kendi's scandal and (hopefully) downfall, is because it represents a return to reason. If Kendi was a grifter... his con being exposed is justice. If Kendi were simply surfing the crest of a cultural wave of irrationality... that wave breaking and the end of that ride is also a positive sign for society. In the end, Kendi's motivations, and even Kendi the man is irrelevant, it's his representation as a symbol of a specific movement of dysfunctional thought breaking down under the light of objective reason... that is as liberating to free thinking people as the Berlin wall comming down, and for the same reasons.

@ChollieD

10 ай бұрын

Well said. I wish that society would re-examine the rest of the critical race gurus and queer theorists and * Studies professors who largely (so far as I can tell) do similar _lite-scholarship_ bellyaching.

@anthonystevens7594

10 ай бұрын

I wouldn’t get too optimistic, today ESPN+ released “Skin in the Game” produced by Kendi and Jemele Hill. It’s a series focusing on racism in professional sports.

@ChollieD

10 ай бұрын

@@anthonystevens7594 Sure, but I think these things take time to unwind. I would be surprised if we aren't in a genuinely better place about race in 2025e because we seem to be slowly developing a kind of herd immunity to the nonsense. Real talk awaits.

@LS-im2qz

10 ай бұрын

I think you are wrong. There is no criticism of his "ideas", at least not from the usual peddlers. There is only criticism of the potential embezzlement or waste. It is only about him. He is not smart enough that's it. And his idiotic and, frankly scary takes will continue. 100%

@anomietoponymie2140

10 ай бұрын

@@LS-im2qz LS-im2qz, I hope you are wrong.

I've seen Kendi speak and read parts of his book. He is responsible for his approach and the folks who fed into it are to blame as well. This is what happens when standards are not applied and logic is not taught.

@bromack3

10 ай бұрын

All he had to do was participate in "1" debate. And he refused to do that.

@mariejane1567

10 ай бұрын

@@bromack3Like Trump.....

@bromack3

10 ай бұрын

@@mariejane1567 There is no comparison. Kendi took money and failed to spend it in the manner intended.

@playapapapa23

10 ай бұрын

@@bromack3yes!

John gives him a pass on this one. I'm sorry, I'm in the Glenn camp...

@MrJpmoneypants

10 ай бұрын

Right! He acts as if Kendi is some innocent bystander, who got swept up in madness. That couldn’t be further from the truth. He literally wrote the book that is cited as dogma in the stupid “movement“

@ST8URCASE

10 ай бұрын

Hi guys, I think John is playing opposition for both opinions on X.

@playapapapa23

10 ай бұрын

I think everyone is. I feel like John is trying too hard. Kendi is an adult. His ideas are childish and damaging. He refuses to engage with anyone who disagrees with him making him an intellectual coward. He is a Wormtounge-esque character who absolutely deserves to be disgracefully banished from Rohan. F that guy!

I couldn't be happier when a snake oil salesman gets exposed. I hope it will raise awareness in people to not buy these lies. I DO think he's a grifter and either VERY shallow intellectually, or VERY dishonest. The whole, "It's either racism, or something wrong with black people" and then using all disparities as evidence of systemic racism is so obviously ridiculous. How did he get away with it?

@nesne2167

10 ай бұрын

How did he get away with it? Because a lot of elites are morons. Not that they have low IQs, but they are morons none the less, and the rest of us suffer for it.

@pinchebruha405

10 ай бұрын

The latter, 10% of any given population produces geniuses not matter where you are on the planet

@dixonpinfold2582

10 ай бұрын

Liberals, neo-Marxists, race hustlers and Democrats - _through their communications arm,_ the mass media - made him a thousand feet tall, that's how. Millions great and small threw in their resources and efforts. He himself and his vacuous fraudulence are barely to blame at all. He would've languished (deservingly) in absolute obscurity, but they made him into one of those colossal Socialist Realist-style statues.

@bobl703

10 ай бұрын

It's definitely fraud and dishonesty. He really should be in jail.

@Almatty

10 ай бұрын

The larger point is that critical theory itself is snake oil. Kendi isn't a poor example of his school of thought, he's a perfect representative of it. Critical theory is a malignant parasite that proliferates by mimicking a legitimate field of inquiry in order to gain access to resources: prestige, power, money, etc. It is a gnostic religion masquerading as a scholarly discipline.

I find myself disagreeing with John from time to time, but never like this, I can't help but feel that Glenn was spot on when he called it a pose. Kendi is through and through a grifting, dishonest and frankly disgusting human being. This idea that he was swept up in the circumstance and timing of it all is disingenuous or wilfully blind.

@danbaumann8273

10 ай бұрын

I find him to be a wimp. A wimp who found a way to power. Dangerous types in my mind, given the right circumstances.

John says," Kendi is not a scholar". Yes, but Kendi pretended to be a scholar and took in vast amounts of money with his pretence. That's what's upsetting a lot us. No way is Kendi a victim as John makes him out to be. Strange John doesn't see that. I thought he abhorred victimhood?

I'm a Gen Xer who worked as a civil rights investigator for 8 years and a mediator for the past 4 years and I too was joyous to see what happened to this race essentialist. This divisive destructive ideology is coming from the top-down not from the bottom-up.

@ritar.7836

10 ай бұрын

People rejoice when they see another dent in the oppressive ideology of wokeism - its virtue signaling, which goes hand in hand with cancel culture.

@playapapapa23

10 ай бұрын

Yep! It’s destructive, hateful, dishonest, shallow and those pushing it are too cowardly to defend their own ideas.

@garryjones8050

10 ай бұрын

No surprise there. Administrators gotta administrate

"Here's the deal. He's a lightweight John... he's a lightweight. That's the deal. Where is the erudition? Where is the subtle interpretation of a canonical text? Where is the sustained argument? Where's the insight? Where's the mastery. he's a lightweight." I will never forget the episode that took Loury from one of my favorites to my all-time favorite. You warned them - Vox clamantis in deserto!!

@shorrodmcclain8777

10 ай бұрын

That rant was epic!

@Grappapappa

10 ай бұрын

I immediately thought of this great rant too! :) I watch it from time to time to get me going.

@fezile

10 ай бұрын

What a classic moment 😂

@erickaL4

10 ай бұрын

Damn

John had been calling Kendi a grifter from way back when I started watching this show, now all of a sudden he’s not a grifter? 100% resonated with Glenn’s comments. Very honorably framed. Tension is not a bad thing and honesty is good, even among friends. Maybe John here is playing devils advocate or trying to steer towards another point, but it seems wishy-washy.

@cdcaleo

10 ай бұрын

Rather recently, John has begun to strike a more moderate and accommodating tone, almost reversing some of his earlier positions. Not making any sense.

@timothy4664

10 ай бұрын

I don't get John's take on this one.

@saelind73

10 ай бұрын

It happens when you get invited to msm shows and write for NYT. 😉@@cdcaleo

@samhand8270

10 ай бұрын

I think John is trying to give these types of people a little grace by not outright invalidating what they say as fraud and trying to accept the possibility that they really do believe what they preach, but I don’t think there’s any way that Kendi actually lives by the subversive principles he espouses and that’s how you know what people actually believe. A person who - changes their name from Henry Rogers to something “exotic” to fill the shoes of some black revolutionary guru academic, makes who-knows-how-much money shaming people based on shallow presumptions, and refuses to engage with anyone publicly who might push back on his ridiculous ideas - is a grifter. No way around it. I think the bigger point John’s trying to make is that it’s the culture that is creating these types of race hustlers by our unwillingness to have difficult conversations about this touchy subject and stand up for a race-neutral meritocratic value system.

@hendrixisgod777

10 ай бұрын

@@timothy4664he doesn’t want to upset his mates at the New York Times.

“Not his fault”?! Accountability, beyond the enabling university, is the real threat and at the core of why Glenn and John speak out.

Actually, the fact that Kendi didn't raise his hand and say "I can't do this" demonstrates that the money was too important to him. Kendi could have and then identified other to assist him in perusing the supposed future of anti-racism. Kendi might not be a grifter but he definitely does not have a moral compass...which used to be a requirement for being considered a decent participant in society.

@omniamericana2172

10 ай бұрын

Exactly. I can’t do this, the work is too important to not succeed so I’m gonna take this $ and surround myself with great minds. How hard is that? Hard if you want it all and don’t have a moral compass. He proved the work wasn’t that important to him.

@hunterkarr5618

10 ай бұрын

The honorable thing would have been be honest about what he thought he could accomplish. But, yeah, the whole conceit of BLM is just sad.

@bobl703

10 ай бұрын

I believe he is a grifter. Just look at the books he has written? How to teach your baby to be an anti-racist. Really? That is Grift 101.

@lzestrara1518

10 ай бұрын

​@@bobl703 I agree that he probably IS a grifter. But even if he's not, and he only ended up LOOKING like one because he was too uneducated on the topic, too lacking in basic logic, and too stupid to realize he was way off base, I don't really see much of a moral distinction there. Whether you INTEND to be grifter or are ACCIDENTALLY a grifter through your own stupidity, I'm going to treat you the same way: with utter contempt and with prayers for your downfall.

@timtuber8085

9 ай бұрын

Kendi is just a puppet

GLENN! You are on fire. Loved what you said here. Keep it up!

Enormous respect for the both of you, however, on this subject I completely agree with Glenn 👍🏻

@playapapapa23

10 ай бұрын

Me too.

@GeneralZod99

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. Of course we are going to disagree on some opinions of the people we find to be our 'intellectual heroes' Two easy examples for me: Christopher Hitchens and the Iraq war Sam Harris and his TDS

The thing I hate most is the thought of all the black people that were and continue to be hurt because people listened to his ideas smh.

@brocktoon8

10 ай бұрын

One race is not more important than another. Everyone is harmed by racism.

Glenn calling Ibram an empty suit made my day!!! Never a truer thing has been said. 😂

Glenn nails this, 100% spot on!!

It's just nice to hear educated and articulate black men share their thoughts on any issue

@blackbette07

10 ай бұрын

Definitely

Glenn Loury always keeps it real.

I really enjoy listening to you both. Civil, intelligent, rational discussion is almost impossible to find nowadays. Usually I land somewhere between you both but in this case I am completely in agreement with Glenn. I listened to Kendi for about 20 minutes a few months ago and immediately I thought he was a fraud. He just didn't make any sense to me. Just a word salad no dressing, no meat, as my dad used to say. All the best to you both

oh come on, John. Kendi is not a child or a simpleton, despite his facile reasoning. The fact that he isn't aware of his intellectual limitations does not excuse his taking advantage of the moment to aggrandize himself at the expense of national race relations.

Yes John, we wouldn't expect him to take the position. I was offered a job that I knew I wouldn't do well and I declined it because I didn't want the company to do poorly nor to embarrass myself, and I'm just some nobody. An honest and moral person would not have taken the position. Kendi was nothing more than a snake oil salesman saying the right buzzwords at an opportune time.

Let's not exaggerate the moral difference between (a) someone who knowingly lies and (b) someone who convinces himself of the lie, first (despite ample evidence against it), so that he can say it with something like a clear conscience. They're not that different.

@davidbrick6325

10 ай бұрын

I tend to agree with you. But just to check your consistency, I'd be curious to learn your opinion on the charges against Trump.

McWhorter lost the narrative. Kendi wasn't put in place, he chose to accept an offer from an institution desperate to signal their virtue. He was a grifter and race hustler out for fame and fortune, and BU was all to ready to exploit his lack of character for their own benefit. When two bad people benefit from a mutual con, it doesn't mean one is more or less guilty than the other. Both are culpable, and should be held accountable.

Glenn is spot on here - everything you said, Professor Loury! Thank you!

The fact that he was elevated as an academic is the issue. He did it to and for himself. He wasn't simply chosen at random. He specifically branded and put himself where he needed to be to be chosen! He took advantage of the situation.

I am sure there are lots of parents out there trying to raise an antiracist baby thanks to Kendi. Except that most parents have already been doing that for years when they just said to their kid "don't be a racist".

@bromack3

10 ай бұрын

If you just let kids be kids, they will find a way to play with each other. I'm black and thats what I did living in family housing on an army base.

I called this a few years back. All of us who have lived in the hood know the difference between a good man who happens to be black and a hustler who uses being black to get what he wants. It is what it is!

Can I be brutally honest for a moment? When I was in college, there were certain black students there who were simply not capable of completing the coursework. They just. Couldn't. Understand. But the professors pretended not to notice. It wasn't all of the black students, of course. But it was almost always a black student who got a pass for no reason. Now THAT is an insult to black people, and it's also how you get a Kendi.

@darbyohara

10 ай бұрын

It also damages the reputation of all the competent hard working folks who did “get it” and understand the lessons. Now folks could wonder “well did they actually know the material or were they let thru also”

@saradawn9385

10 ай бұрын

I have a hard time believing your statement. "They just. Couldn't. Understand." WTF? How the hell would you know and why were you so focused on them and their marks. BTW, I'm with Glenn all the way and Kendi was a total grifter.

@user-ef4gf7rr9r

10 ай бұрын

@@saradawn9385 You have no obligation to believe me, but it did happen. There were also white kids who just could not understand, but the difference was they were corrected instead of just passed along. That's the phenomenon I'm interested in, not their particular lack of understanding.

John can make excuses for any bad behavior. He's a big part of the problem. The enabler parent.

@geekylove3603

10 ай бұрын

Don't be an idiot. Jesus man.

He changed his name to Ibram X Kendi. He is a self-conscious race grifter.

@abcdeshole

10 ай бұрын

His nom de woke is pompous and absurd beyond belief.

@danbaumann8273

10 ай бұрын

@@abcdeshole Isn’t it. I shake my head.

@anomietoponymie2140

10 ай бұрын

Well, he's at very least a poseur.

You’re a true truth-seeker Glenn, and I appreciate you, from Canada

He was exposed years ago in Aspen when he couldn't define racism. I'm sure most here have seen the video. It's truly sad. The room was in shock and they were all his fans. That is a huge part of him no longer having Q&A's. But they ignored it so they could elevate him, prop him up!

@LoveCoffee123

7 ай бұрын

Saw that. Perhaps a watershed moment. It showed the dude up for the fraud he is. Shocking, embarrassing, and total cringe.

@nedhill1242

7 ай бұрын

@@LoveCoffee123 Cringes the right word. I would say I almost felt sorry for the guy, but that would be a lie. But it was a cringe and sad video moment. A room full of sycophants suddenly groaning, and shifting around in their seats, as if sitting in front of a non-and Catholic school, or a principal in the third grade, because their hero just outed himself as a complete fraud. The guy’s entire career is based on his writings about racism. But yet he can’t give a basic definition of racism. Hopefully it was a watershed event for many people. The same with the Senate confirmation hearings for that vile woman put on the Supreme Court that couldn’t give a basic definition of a woman.

"It was rotten to the core." Thank you Dr. Loury for speaking Truth to power!!!

1 - I love their conversations 2 - I'm of like mind with Glenn in this instance 3 - I love that they are having a disagreement about this topic and pushing back at one another

Others here have said it so well, and Ive duly thumbs-upped them, but I'm moved to say wow, Glenn, beautiful job. Beautiful analysis, beautiful oratory, beautiful personal example of graceful but effective disagreement. America is synonymous with the primacy of the individual. All we are depends entirely on individual accountability. Kendi's crime strikes at the core of America. He took the job. He took the money. He had the opportunity. He abdicates his responsibility. Yes, a better boss might have helped him, but he's a fully grown man with nearly limitless resources & moves. So of course we are angry and rejoice to see justice served up. We do feel blessed to have you in this world. You help us stand our ground for all that is good. With brains & gifts like yours with us, how could our national experiment not inspire the world?

Really interesting discussion. But I don't think Glenn and John were disagreeing as much as it seemed. Glenn was saying that Kendi is an "empty suit" masquerading as an academic. John was basically saying that Kendi is a bit of dumbass who was being used as a pawn in a much larger game. Those aren't that far apart. In fact, I think John's position on Kendi is a little more harsh because it attributes virtually no agency to Kendi. At least Glenn was saying Kendi was smart enough to know better; John was basically calling Kendi a non-thinking puppet.

@Y2JLionHeart

10 ай бұрын

Accurate.

@excellentcomment

10 ай бұрын

I have the respect for you to be honest: this is brimming over with wrongability. The core issue here is individual accountability. Glenn, thank the dear Lord, Is in passionate & profound defense of it. John (momentarily, please God) deserted individual accountability for collective accountability. Problem: Collective accountability is a pipe dream & road to hell. On this central issue, they are far apart. Still the best conversation on the interwebs.

Glenn right on this one. Love to hear you two. His philosophy is an empty suit. That’s where the joy is.

Glenn, you're smiling ear to ear of course you are joyous!!!

Good people are joyous when justice comes.

I love when Glenn gets fired up and tells it like it is...he's brutally honest and he's brutally intelligent (just came up w'/ that one, don't really know what I meant, but it's catchy)

this conversation was focused on all the right things and i respect you guys a lot for having it

This is great news. I'm happy as the world view he espouses divides people rather than bringing people together.

@ForeverYoungKickboxer

10 ай бұрын

Egg Zachary!

It's honorable to hold someone accountable for dishonesty. Henry Rogers was a no one until this. I've been listening to John McWhorter for years, but he's unbalanced when he moves focus to others who are happy that the dude is exposed. H. R. has caused more pain and division with his grift. Come on John. Call it as it is.

We are happy that Kendi is "getting his" because his views and policies harmed real people.He benefitted greatly. But so many followers were misled into hate, jealousy, and outright contempt of others that was unwarranted.

1:10: Epic rant, Glenn. Fabulous. As rants go, it was coherent, all-encompassing and just.

@thomaspaaruppedersen6781

10 ай бұрын

JM is quick to blame everybody but Kendi, who travelled the world espousing his BS. I get that this is technically separate to his institute failing but to me is OK to conflate the issues from the belief that he failed because there was noting there - neither in himself or in his cause. Kendi was the figurehead of all the BS that happened around him, including all the fools who showered him with money. And you have a point that it may not be fair that he has to take the fall for all of them, but to the public that is exactly what needs to happen. The managers of organisations who gave him money will receive their consequences behind closed doors.

@thomaspaaruppedersen6781

10 ай бұрын

OMG John, the level of apologies is mind-boggling. What about personal responsibility? But I take your point about parading Kendi around almost as some spearhead of Black scholarship and accomplishment being extremely condescending. It is the epitome of 'liberal racism'; expecting much less from black people.

McWhorter is talking about Kendi like he's not a grown man. Like Kendi is a child getting pushed around by other adults. Hell...maybe that's what he actually is.

100% GLENN

Whoa... just found this channel. So impressed with how charismatically Glenn came out of the gates here answering John's question about the rejoicing surrounding Kendi's troubles; what an incredible answer! Really excited I found this channel. Sub'd

I love listening to these two men. I looked up Grifter in the American Merriam-Webster dictionary,and there was a picture of Kendi. (Anti racist baby🤡) I looked it up in the UK's Oxford dictionary, there was a picture of Dr Shola! Dr Shola is a Lawyer, and attended some of the UK's most prestigious hubs of education, her grandfather was a Nigerian Monarch,her father was a Royal Prince .Most Nigerian Royalty had ties to the sale of slaves.Her family are very well to do. Her book is titled, "Why I resist" 🤡

Ive been eagerly awaiting Misters Loury & McWhorter to talk about this

It is so painful to see such horrible humans attain such important positions

Kendi was a celebrity. People fawned over him, institutions wanted to be associated with him. Wt guilt has been taught, provoked, and encouraged for generations. Many Wts are affected. Many are desperate to prove their innocence. Kendi offered the cure.

@ninadaly7639

10 ай бұрын

I don’t think so. I think it was celebrity, defined as “too many people, blowing too much smoke up one’s butt, too much of the time.” I actually believe “Celebrity” should be included in the DSM VII when it’s published as a bona fide disorder. Unfortunately, it does not excuse the lack of character it takes to succumb to it, it only accentuates it.

I appreciate you both. Thank you for upholding higher standards and values that serve as an inspiration not only for black people but for everyone to follow. Keep up the great work!

You guys are needed in this world! Keep it up

"He was put into a position by other people. They made him make himself into an embarrassment. It wasn't his fault." Please. At least give him the dignity of personal agency and the expectation of acting honorably.

@cdcaleo

10 ай бұрын

John is being weird here, as he was much harsher in regards to Kendi in previous episodes.

@eduardosuarez2414

10 ай бұрын

What a weird thing to say, coming from someone in this sphere. It's the same (ultimately racist) argument that progressives would use to forgive black criminals. They they didn't and couldn't know any better because of white supremacy.

John, c’mon, don’t be an apologist. That’s part of the issue, if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it’s a duck.

As a neuropsychologist in training, I want to suggest the environment is the sole culprit of the conditioning of someone’s behavior is scientifically flawed. Moral and ethical responsibility is not influenced by a stimuli (receiving money). Moral relativism leads to lack of accountability. I have seen first hand in my line of work what Kendi’s fallacious comments have done to the psychology of minority communities. He must be held accountable. “He (Kendi) got swept into everything…” suggests a psychology that assumes a constructive view of truth. In other words, moral reasoning is based on the context of an issue. One person can reframe any moral objections within this type of moral reasoning.” Thank you John and Glenn for the discussion.

@johnl5316

10 ай бұрын

"by a stimuli " Actually it should be, "by a stimulUS"...a STIMULus .....or by several stimuli

@py_a_thon

10 ай бұрын

Is there not a more comprehensive problem tho, when we live in a world filled with propaganda of many forms? I am not surprised when people conform to a sort of post modern model and use what I call "the perpetual controversy machine". Then perhaps use said form to get pieces of paper that represent purchasing power. I am not smart enough to say anything beyond that. Edit: Is this following sentence stupid? "Social capital translates into fiat currency, sometimes..." Edit2: Is this also stupid? "More fiat currency and wealth access often correlates with higher rates of survival and quality of life." If you say my idea is stupid, then it is stupid? If you get enough people to agree the idea is stupid, then it is stupid? tldr; The world is absurd and often fake af. Until it is real af.

"He's not a grifter" and in the same breath John goes on to say "he took the fame and money." 🤔🙄John, I remember you calling him a grifter long time ago. You couldn't stand the guy. Now, suddenly, you are playing "holier than thou". Give me a break. There is joy because he is a total hack. But more importantly, it exposed the lunacy of people following these types like Sheep. So, here is hoping, his story might really serve as cautionary tale.

Maybe you could say that Kendi was silly enough to fall into the race hustle trap, and he was exploited by some evil genius that knew in the end, no one would stand up and risk the accusation of 'rayciss' by standing up and saying "...this guy's stupid. He defined a word with the word." He was a kind of living virtue signal.

@JOHN----DOE

10 ай бұрын

I think the kindest thing you could say about him is that he's the epitome of affirmative action--ignorant, not too bright, and oblivious to his mediocrity because he's been held to lower standards. Seen a ton of it in academia. Or maybe he IS a hustler.

@ninadaly7639

10 ай бұрын

@@JOHN----DOEReports are he is also an interminable a-hole to people as well.

@davestier6247

10 ай бұрын

If he fell into the trap, it was a trap of his own ( and several others' ) making.

"Why is there so much joy?" Because everyone likes to see charlatans, hypocrites and false profits get shown for who they are. I can't think of a better example of grifter than Kendi. Some might argue Robin diangelo, but in all honesty I think she's far less self aware than Kendi. I honestly think all her "white fragility" BS is just a way to cope with the fact that when she walks down the sidewalk and sees three young black men, she instinctively holds her purse more closely. I actually read her book. At first I downloaded the Epub because I wanted to read an absurd passage that I had heard, but I ended up reading the whole thing. I didn't read it because it was any good, I read it because every other page had some outlandish statement and I couldn't wait to see what she was going to come up with next. I freely admit that I'm not a psychologist, but I've lived long enough and have had known every type of person there is: from a cold blooded murderer who all but decapitated the guy he robbed a bank with who had dropped his wallet with his ID in it, and left him in a Red Roof inn, to people who possess an almost unsettling level of intellect, to salt of the earth; and I believe I've gleaned at least some insight into to people. More specifically the things they tell themselves that they are versus who they know they are. "White Fragile" was an attempt to project the authors own proclivities onto everyone else so that when those prejudice thoughts appear she can tell herself that it's not because she "isn't one of the good ones," it's just that she was unlucky to be born to race of people to whom those thoughts are ingrained and inescapable. This is why she claims that no matter what you do you can't help but be racist. She can't, so how could anyone else? Pretty convenient if you're a privileged middle aged white woman who considers themselves to be enlightened. Kendi on the other hand is well aware of himself and what he's doing. He very well may not have started out that way, he very well could have started out with good intentions coupled with an unfortunate incomplete world view, and maybe that's what McWhorter is talking about, but those days have long passed and he's been a charlatan for a long time now. I don't buy for a minute the argument that he was thrust unwillingly into the role, like the king who never wanted to rule. That argument removes all agency from Kendi like a babe in the woods. He's not.

Yes I am mad! Kendi knew he was full of crap from the start and he knew the damage he was doing. If I were to bottle cyanide and sell it as a health tonic, would you defend me? That is what Kendi did. Yes, there is an institutional problem underlying his rise. I can hate two things at once.

Glenn Loury is a HERO!

Glen's smirk is amazing.

I found this video disconcerting on John’s part. Within the first minute, John says that he doesn’t think Kendi is a grifter. Then, later, on John agrees that Kendi is essentially an empty suit that didn’t have the chops to be an educator, scholar an intellectual of any kind. Then John states “he gets swept up into this institution, where he supposed to be supervising real research.” Other quotes by John: “ he gets thrust into this position”, “ when he was put into a position by other people“, “They made him make himself into an embarrassment wasn’t his fault…” What John didn’t allude to was personal responsibility. Kendi wasn’t thrust into anything. He accepted the massive amount of money, even though he probably knew that he was not up for it. To me, that’s part and parcel in being a grifter. just disappointed this time in John‘s response.

I don't understand the mindset of throwing money at problems. It's basically throwing paper into fire. Ultimately it's a false dilemma to say it's one party's fault but not the other. The donors have an ethical obligation to trace their contributions and he has an ethical obligation to cooperate with those inquiries. It's a dynamic, a co-creation.

Glenn is everybody’s grandfather 😆. Love hearing his take on things!

Glen is right, ’ Empty suit’ . The question is honor.

People should be expected to more than just take the money, allowing the blame to fall to those who were stupid enough to pay. If you can't deliver, have the integrity not to take the job or the money. When you realize you're not up to the job, be decent enough to admit that that's the case.

@anomietoponymie2140

10 ай бұрын

user-fv1nv2ry2l, "When you realize you're not up to the job, be decent enough to admit that that's the case." Yes of course but that takes both intelligence and humility, things the man in question seems to lack.

Excellent two men - the BBC ignores them.

Love you lads, all the best from Scotland

Love you guys. Most honest and engaging conversation on the Internet. I have to say that I almost feel bad for the guy (empty suit, fraud, lightweight). Mostly white out of touch elites cast him in a role for which he was unprepared and for which its doom was always a foregone conclusion. For that alone, perhaps, we owe him/them a debt of gratitude. P.S. everywhere you look, the whole woke, progressive experiment is caving in on itself from the weight of its own dangerous and destructive absurdities. And it was preordained that when we came to this point of inevitability, they would look in every direction--but inward--to cast the stones and assess the blame. Round up the usual suspects!

@ShamanBuddhaDread

10 ай бұрын

"...they would look in every direction--but inward--to cast the stones and assess the blame." well said. This is the first sign of total ideological capture. The Left has suffered from it for as long as I have been part of it.

@billyconnelly3568

10 ай бұрын

Yes, but let's note that the "woke" movement to which you refer is pro-capitalist through and through. Look at all the early BLM leaders who were pro-charter schools--these aren't leftists in any meaningful sense and the movement they created was tailor-made for corporate cooptation.

@anomietoponymie2140

10 ай бұрын

Personally, I don't see any wokies acknowledging this. I see the same trickle of people on the left suddenly feeling homeless, opening up to views outside their echo chambers and moving right.

@andrewprindiville119

10 ай бұрын

yup its always the evil white racist faults NO MATTER WHAT

@hunterkarr5618

10 ай бұрын

Yessss. Everywhere but inward. Exactly

Does this mean there won't be An Antiracist Placenta?

Glenn articulated it all perfectly for those of us who struggle to find the right words.

I mean, we can be embarrassed by both the individual and the institution

I was waiting patiently for this analysis. Its going to be epic

Glen Loury, heavy weight intellect.

It isn't Kendi we should fear. It is everyone else.

I’ve seen many of these fellas discuss various issues and they both deserve respect and recognition for their work but GL is so much more intelligent and enlightened than JM and this is a perfect example of that

Yes, the jugular is Boston U. and the National Book Award Folks and the Macarthur Foundation--and yes, Kendi's an empty suit. That awful combo of ambition and talentlessness he represents was facilitated by foundations that must know better. But they've puffed him up; a fool who thinks he's smart is dangerous. And look at the results.

@anomietoponymie2140

10 ай бұрын

It suggests they don't believe a black person could say anything more enlightening than what Kendi does or that they really really really couldn't care less about black people.

Um, we have a problem. Kendi's legacy In my city is going to be long lasting. To be promoted as a firefighter you have to take a written test. It requires the study in the ENTIRETY of Kendi's book. The test is now only 50% content on actual firefighting, it used to be 100% on how to stop a fire. There's no joy here.

"all of us would have taken the money" pure sophistry.

Thank you Mr. Loury for your intellect, your decency, and your common sense.

I'm troubled by John McWhorter's lenient assessment. Kendi is an adult with an adult's responsibilities and accountability. Yes, he was painted by institutions and by the corporate media as the intellectual that he was not, but he allowed himself to be painted, he allowed himself to be praised. He could have been honest in his own self-presentation, but instead, he chose to be false.

It's one thing to be happy he is going to suffer consequences, getting real glee from it (human but not noble). It is another to be excited that intellectual honesty, like life in Jurassic Park, "finds a way."

No minced words in this title. The two of you are a must listen.

So delightful seeing the grin on Glenn's face! Even his eyes are smiling!

"What BU did is an insult to Black achievement" John WcWhorter's ability to take stock, reflect and respond in the moment is is what makes him someone to listen to and learn from.

I have the upmost respect for John but on this topic he is beyond wrong. Epic fail John 🤦

I’ve been waiting for this episode and the gents didn’t disappoint.

Wow! Glenn's still got game! Nailed it.

Y'all are both right; however, I lean towards John's point. This has been paralleled, to an extent, by the Depp v. Heard incident. Heard never would have done the things that led to her public humiliation had the ACLU not approached her and had the Washington Post not entered into what amounted to a conspiracy with her against Depp for their own cynical reasons.

Do we blame the emperor or the people for the ruse that fell apart?

@danbaumann8273

10 ай бұрын

Both

No doubt about it, Loury nails it. Well done, sir.

I so appreciate the honesty and candor of your relationship. I think it adds credibility to the topics that you address on your show. Thanks for your commentary!