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@peterkirk123

3 ай бұрын

Its the same Andrew Marr who was humiliated by Norm Chomsky when he could see straight through him ! And the same Andrew Marr who was smiling like a Cheshire Cat on the first night of the ILLEGAL IRAQ WAR claiming WAR CRIMINAL Tony Blair was write and the protesters were wrong ? How that wasn't a sackable offense I will never know but then again Norm Chomsky explained credible journalists don't get employed by the propaganda BBC !

@oneoflokis

3 ай бұрын

🤮

@alexmood6407

3 ай бұрын

Establishment is always powerful. The puppet masters made sure to remove any genuine choice and we are left between the establishment choice and establishment lite choice. Reminds me of the elections in Russia only that Brits are far better at maintaining the illusion of democracy.

@malthusXIII-fo3ep

3 ай бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@malthusXIII-fo3ep

3 ай бұрын

But after yet another U-turn,...he's got no policies.

He needs to be a Clement Atlee - that is the scale of the problem. Remember how house building helped pull the UK out of the Great Depression

@ecnalms851

3 ай бұрын

​@@frankbrennan1619 Well we have to wait for the manifesto. Remember Labour is still at its core ideologically different from the Tories and they are more than able and willing to become more interventionist if need be when in power. That's the big disadvantage Tories deal with, they have to worry about being too interventionist for fears that it gets called "socialist" or "anti-free market" by their own MPs and voters. Labour however can do both (free market + more interventionist) and this flexibility is why I and I think others like Labour

@adrianhjordan1981

3 ай бұрын

​@@frankbrennan1619 Your argument is that there is a clue in a name you made up??? Wow, I mean how does one argue with hard facts like that 🤦🏻‍♂️

@Noel-ji8nm

3 ай бұрын

​@@adrianhjordan1981Starmer is a trojan horse for the Tories to stay in power.

@Harishnaeem

3 ай бұрын

Comparing starmer to clement atlee is a crime

@xanthias2001

3 ай бұрын

⁠@@HarishnaeemMaking a comparison isn’t a crime - it’s merely a rational evaluative process. Objecting to such a process suggests that one isn’t capable of a rational evaluation but prefers to fall back on mantras one has picked up without thinking about them…

I do appreciate Andrew's optimism. We need so much more of this.

@TruthTortoise81

3 ай бұрын

Not very plausible though, what use is hope if it's false hope?

@tsuchan

3 ай бұрын

Do you remember that Boris Johnson's big thing was optimism?

@IshtarNike

3 ай бұрын

We need optimism but from politicians NOT from people like Marr and others who always insist that people who have already shown us who they are will somehow emerge from their ugly chrysalis after the election and become beautiful butterflies. Hasn't happened yet.

@Noel-ji8nm

3 ай бұрын

​@tsuchan No one listened to Johnson. Voters were only interested in Brexit.

@oneoflokis

3 ай бұрын

No: we need REALISM and TRUTH.

Just hope you are right about Starmer being more radical than he comes across, for all our sakes

@totalvoid6234

3 ай бұрын

If he's radical it's not going to be from the left.

@richmaniow

3 ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more, Clement Attlee got elected in 1945 by rejecting the same old austerity being offered by Churchill's Tories and giving people hope for a better society through policies like free health care and a massive social housing program. I'm struggling to see what Starmer is offering at the moment, he's pretty much you-turned on every previous policy he's announced so I'm not sure what's left..

@denisebrown4735

3 ай бұрын

@@richmaniow SNP has taken up the gauntlet of radical policies in Scotland. It's definitely not in the bag by a long chalk. Starmer has gone back on policies already & we are still baffled about what he stands for.

@molsy1768

3 ай бұрын

​@denisebrown4735 the snp have been radical in all the wrong areas though, and their implementation has been terrible for most policies

@patrickmonkman8151

3 ай бұрын

@@denisebrown4735 SNP are not radical 🤣

I'm hoping this is the case, tbh. I hope Starmer and Reeves have a secret dossier of policy and ideas they're gonna whip out after they win, and they're playing it safe so the Tories and Tory press focus on their own infighting

@ecnalms851

3 ай бұрын

I think their manifesto will be quite radical compared to the Tories. I'm not sure what the Tories really can talk about in the manifesto anymore as they've been in power for so long. Labour is more politically able to be more interventionist with their policies. Labour is after all at its core still ideologically different as a party to the Tories

@mattcast44

3 ай бұрын

Surely in a democracy a party should say what it's going to do and implement it. Do you think it's OK when the Tories say one thing in their manifesto and then implement much more radical right-wing policies when in power? And what is the hope for more radical policies based on? Starmer started with a strong left-wing platform and has constantly moved rightwards ever since he was elected. Why on earth would that change when he is in power?

@IshtarNike

3 ай бұрын

​​@@ecnalms851 I mean this is just wishful thinking. Labour has moved incredibly far right to chase the Tories down. You can call it centrist, but that's because they've allowed the Tories to shift the entire political spectrum to the right by continuing to chase them. Stuff that Nick Griffin was spurned for in 2008 can now be mildly dismissed by Starmer and his ilk instead of getting the scorn or laughter it deserves. Economically they're even worse, and have just backed down AGAIN over a policy that would actually make real change. It makes no sense to be THIS careful when you're 20 points ahead. You do need to offer some sort of change. Unless of course, you're not interested in change and you're just preparing people to get used to barely anything changing. I'll be happy to be proved wrong, but I really doubt I will. The issue with this country is that things have moved so far to the right that things which were considered centrist in the Blair years are now considered radical. We will get nowhere like this.

@g4joe

3 ай бұрын

They are bought and paid for by israel. No votes for them.👎

@RazgrizWing

3 ай бұрын

@@eightiesmusic1984 Hell Starmer's platform is more social conservative than god damn Theresa May.

Australian here. Two elections ago Labor put up several mildly radical policies which the right-wing press and our equivalent of the Tories used to terrify the public and Labor lost to an unpopular incumbent government. Last election Labor did what Starmer is doing. Made themselves into a very small target but still offering hope. Result , a Labor win

@berniebne8243

3 ай бұрын

Well said, "Labor's death tax & the Bill (Bill Shorten Labor leader ) you can't afford.

@peterlegg2394

3 ай бұрын

This is a worthwhile point but it's also interesting and concerning that Labor, which many progressives hoped would be more radical when they got into power, have not in fact been radical at all but rather more like a Liberal-lite party.

@stevec6427

3 ай бұрын

How can something be mildly radical? Mild and radical are opposites

@ykm257

3 ай бұрын

Let's not forget the smear campaign.

@andrewmark2783

3 ай бұрын

Your Labor adminstration has thrown immigrants under the bus, failed aboriginals and drastically scaled back it's goals at fixing the broken housing market. I hope ours doesn't follow suit...

If Starmer delivered competent leadership that would be first time in 14 years and would provide a massive boost. We want quiet competence, not exciting incompetence Johnson, Truss or Sunak have demonstrated.

@thetragicyouth

3 ай бұрын

We don't want continuity Conservatism, whether competent or not. I see no evidence that Starmer will offer much more than that. Just listen to the rhetoric of Reeves and Streeting if you really want to know what a dishonest, Tory-lite disaster a Starmer government will be.

@ykm257

3 ай бұрын

Is giving the green light to war crimes regarded as quiet competence?

@ykm257

3 ай бұрын

And why did he suspend Andy McDonald?

@AndrewGora

3 ай бұрын

Sunak= exciting incompetence ! What are you taking !

I hope you're right Andrew! I believe!! fingers crossed.

@user-eg4dv1bm2e

3 ай бұрын

I was literally gonna type this myself!

@blackrainbow6126

3 ай бұрын

1992 all over again... American yes man all over again.

@ineedmoreflavour1955

3 ай бұрын

Anybody sensible hopes he is right. The only people that don't believe it are butt hurt Corbyn supporters that don't matter anyway.

@Noel-ji8nm

3 ай бұрын

He's delusional.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Nothing wrong with optimism, it's exactly the right mind set

@venmis137

9 күн бұрын

Anything else is illogical.

@DanielBarber-mo2en

9 күн бұрын

@@venmis137 imagination is key , humans use this to create, creative ways gives helps change our worlds. Interesting Einstein said , " imagination is more important than facts , "

Clement Attlee is my all-time political hero. I remember how he quietly took charge of our shattered country at the end of WW2. (I was born in the Thirties). A shy but brilliant man with a deep understanding of people. Andrew Marr is my go-to political commentator. This has lifted my spirits.

Thanks Andrew. Dangerous ground. Outing yourself as an optimist. Interesting as always. I, from so much further away, have seen him as methodical.

Crossing fingers that you have called this correctly. Clem Attlee campaigned in 45 on a radical manifesto, a point of clear difference from Starmer based on what we expect the next Labour manifesto to look like. I understand why Starmer is so minded but can’t help thinking it’s a missed opportunity, given how many Brits yearn for significant change.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@robertdavidson8028

3 ай бұрын

He, and his advisers, aren't any part of that, I fear.

@venmis137

9 күн бұрын

This is why I prefer to compare Starmer to Thatcher (albeit a left wing version of her) than Attlee, since Attlee was campaigning just after the war, where the political climate was a lot more amenable to major changes (for understandable reasons). During 1979 Thatcher was very cautious and conciliatory. She kept quiet about major policies, and focused her campaign on attacking Labour ("Labour isn't working", clever considering high unemployment at the time). If you knew her you got a sense of what she valued and thus might be like later on, but aside from that it was not immediately obvious based on her campaign that she would end up being that "radical". For reference here were Thatcher's 5 "pledges" (major "policies" if you will) according to wikipedia: 1. "to restore the health of our economic and social life, by controlling inflation and striking a fair balance between the rights and duties of the trade union movement" (fair balance pointing to her moderation in comparison to later stance) 2. "to restore incentives so that hard work pays, success is rewarded and genuine new jobs are created in an expanding economy" 3. "to uphold Parliament and the rule of law" 4. "to support family life, by helping people to become home-owners, raising the standards of their children's education and concentrating welfare services on the effective support of the old, the sick, the disabled and those who are in real need" 5. "to strengthen Britain's defences and work with our allies to protect our interests in an increasingly threatening world" Once she was in she tacked harder to the Right, esp. once her re-election was secured. Starmer might do something similar (albeit to the Left in this case), though ofc it's far too early to tell for sure. Starmer does seem a lot less ideological than Thatcher, which is probably a good thing in my view. It might mean that he'll focus on what works rather than what he thinks should work, I hope it makes for better governance.

I certainly hope you’re right about the inner Keir because I’m currently failing to provide a winning argument for all my work mates to come back to Labour. I’ve nothing to point to!!

I share your optimism Andrew. I’m a Labour member and voted Starmer for leader. In these past four years at times he’s frustrated me however I realise that he playing the long political game, he knows what he’s doing but obviously knows more about politics than me. I pray and pray and pray we win the general election and kick these vile tories out of office for good

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@paul1720

3 ай бұрын

You only have to ignore everything he's said and every pledge he's reneged on to come to that conclusion. Congratulations on living under a rock for 4 years and viewing politics like it's a football team.

@johnmulligan455

3 ай бұрын

Good luck to you and your Stalin

@rainbowevil

3 ай бұрын

The “long political game” of either lying to win votes or actually reneging on every promise he’s made. Call me weird, but I prefer my politicians honest and sticking to socially beneficial policies.

Always held the view that Keir was relentless to get Labour into government, and then would pursue a more progressive agenda in office.

@rainbowevil

3 ай бұрын

It’s a great strategy to wish that when the next politician comes to power they suddenly change all their policies to align with your own ideals. Would be even better if it had any hope of working.

@bartybum

3 ай бұрын

From an Australian that also witnessed its labour party suffer an unloseable election in 2019; trust me, he won't.

@PretentiousPeter

3 ай бұрын

idk why so many people insist that "lying to get into power" is an argument in favour of starmer. If you believe in something, stand up for it, then deliver it if the people agree.

@thetragicyouth

3 ай бұрын

There is absolutely nothing about his history or record as leader that suggests he will be progressive. I fear this is the triumph of hope over experience.

@jayjones1649

3 ай бұрын

@@thetragicyouth I disagree. Look at his legal career. Mclibel case was a pretty progressive act IMO. Defending people against the death penalty etc. He's by no means perfect, or my preferred choice but let's not pretend he is as bad as those on the left make him out.

I do so hope that you are right. We need rescuing from the awful politics that Johnson enabled.

I hope you're correct, Andrew! He needs to face down Dacre and Murdoch and get us back in the Single Market and Customs Union, by hook or by crook. He also MUST enact PR. He doesn't need to offer a referendum, as the Tories just changed the London mayoral electoral system, but didn't offer one, thereby making a rod for their own backs, so to speak. Starner must become extremely radical, or the current criminals will be back.

@thetragicyouth

3 ай бұрын

Starmer is absolutely not going to face down Murdoch and Dacre - he only recently announced that he would not proceed with the second part of the Leveson Inquiry, and we all know why he's done that!

@anthonygrayson7753

3 ай бұрын

@@thetragicyouth well at some point he will have to, as Labour's popularity won't last forever and the Tories will be back, with probably even more right wing policies than they have now! He may have no choice, or he'll run out of time!

Thank you, I needed a good laugh today

@melgrant7404

3 ай бұрын

Jokes on you if tories are elected again.

@deeznoots6241

3 ай бұрын

@@melgrant7404 ‘if’ like the two biggest parties aren’t just blue tories and red tories

@melgrant7404

3 ай бұрын

@deeznoots6241 but 5 more yrs of sunak and Co.how can you possibly know what the change of government would mean. On a record of 14 yrs ago.move on.

Good to hear someone looking behind the public image & media reflection of Starmer. He and Reeves are not the best communicators but I have the feeling too that he’ll be a good PM. Tories project all their chaos, flip-flopping and U turns onto him. Just the fact that he built his life in human rights law & public service rather than for self enrichment is reassuring. Think he is genuinely interested in society, people, the environment and will be focussed, thoughtful, determined and work well with others, EU etc. He’ll be like a mature father-figure type PM while mentally, Sunak’s more at that awkward, lost, early adolescent stage - say 13!

@lindaj5492

3 ай бұрын

Your sentence about “…human rights law & public service rather than self-enrichment…” sums it up. Fundamentally different values behind the political strategising. A watershed that the whole world is currently facing.

Great British Energy is already pretty radical and the idea could potentially be adapted for other sectors. As for being timid, i seem to remember Cameron and Osborne being similarly timid in 2010 and it didn't do them any harm, nor did it stop them changing tone completely once elected.

Thank you for your optimism Andrew - I do believe there is more they will do when they’re in government, but such is the nature of the press in this country, if all of that was on the table before they’re even given a chance to govern, there is no hope of them being given that chance. I have hope that better times are ahead of us.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@belindamay8063

3 ай бұрын

@TimSmalley. Today’s media have turned politics into brawl. Disgusting and as degrading as those dog-fights that were once popular entertainments - and eventually banned. We should restore some dignity to our democracy. Better education would be a great help. I’ve seen several generations of voters - each more ignorant and wayward than the last. They put the Tories in power again and again. And they suffered for it.

I hope so, i used to believe so, because we ABSOLUTELY need it!!

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Andrew. Absolutely. No win = nothing done; day one = last day. Keir has what it takes to demolish and build (occasionally tip-toe perhaps) much. Thank goodness for kicking the CPS. There was a challenge. Clem mk2.

I hope for the stars, I'd be overjoyed if we only reached the moon - all I'm expecting is to escape the cave.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@shahzadakram4667

3 ай бұрын

Don't hold your breath and gather some wood to keep the fire going.... No hope for the common man under Labour or Conservatives as far as I can see it all Lip Service.

Admire your optimism Andrew, but can't see it. Labours moved too far to the right, peddling policies that farage would back. If they do one thing for the country they could introduce PR. That would be a real improvement. Take away the risk of another 15 years of government corruption.

Since when Andrew Marr does stand up comedy?

@KismetMulhaneski-to3wg

3 ай бұрын

About a year after KS!!!!

@melgrant7404

3 ай бұрын

Thought your comment was comedy.

I'm inclined to agree, he's a practical man and the only solutions to our problems are radical - I just hope he keeps his nerve and doesn’t refrain from using the political space we will (hopefully) give him.

Great stuff from Andrew as always. I'm also optimistic about Starmer, not in the least bit worried about denying the Tories ammunition, in fact I'm really enjoying seeing them walk carefully round all the open manhole covers! General election ASAP please!

I pray to God you are right, Andrew.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

The country needs leadership, the country desperately needs a party who's policies address the enormous problems they will inherit from 14 years of Tory mis management. ....Bring it on!

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@thetragicyouth

3 ай бұрын

If only there were a party offering those policies... Starmer's Labour isn't.

At this point a slice of stale bread is more radical and revolutionary, so the bar is pretty low

@robertdavidson8028

3 ай бұрын

The trouble with stale bread is, it can give you a dose of something unpleasant.

This is not optimism, this is delusion.

“Smooth ubiquity” A very ambiguous description. Chocolate and cream may be smoothly ubiquitous. So, too, can be dog sh..

A big plus is that he never attended Eton unlike many Conservative disasters

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@johnmulligan455

3 ай бұрын

No, head of the CPS instead, which is a million times worse.

@englishsteve1465

3 ай бұрын

@@johnmulligan455 One is a very particular type of education for the offspring of the wealthy and entitled establishment. The other is a career in an aspect of our legal system. To compare the two is futile, they are totally different things. Your attempt at conflating the two seems an example of holding strong opinions based on very little evidence nor understanding. Pointless.

@johnmulligan455

3 ай бұрын

@englishsteve1465 No, that is untrue. Take Orwell, he went to Eton, and yet his parents were far from wealthy. Secondly, to be in that position, as the head of the CPS, you have to be as bad as they come. Look at what he did there, the decisions he made. What we have, sir, in this country, are kangaroo courts, and Keir Starmer is the protagonist. Jimmy Saville, rape gangs, Julian Assange, the Mark Kennedy case, these alone should have barred this man, 'Sir' Keir from being in such a position. This is a man, sir, that supports a nation state from cutting of water supplies, energy, and food. This is Keir's morality. I'd prefer Stalin personally.

@johnmulligan455

3 ай бұрын

@englishsteve1465 what is the point of this? I resopnded to you but my comment was deleted.

He's giving every single indication that he'll be anything but.

@kanedNunable

3 ай бұрын

maybe true. the problem is anyone being slightly radical in a non-bending over backwards for corporations and rich, will be demonised by our press. look at corbyn. only chance of getting in is being in the centre, then hopefully push him more to the left.

@tmarritt

3 ай бұрын

Because he will scare votes if he says anything else

@tobywaller8717

3 ай бұрын

I know right. I appreciate the party political andrew but he isn't radical. I will be voting for him but I am expecting a moderate cautious first few years.

@maydate86

3 ай бұрын

Tony Blair to the power three T3 multiplied. Disappointment and end pf of the nation state

@ineedmoreflavour1955

3 ай бұрын

Did you even watch the video? Andrew explained why he is doing that

I’ve recently retired from Public Service, having suffered years of stagnation in pay, the trauma of Brexit, and the dystopian nightmare of a completely detached from reality Tory Government. I am beginning to slow myself to see a glimpse of a better future if Labour wins. I hope to God the Tories do not win again through people not voting-which is why we have had to endure Brexit.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street.

Praying this is the case… we need a major shake up in this country

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street.

Optimism is not a dirty word 😊

Notwithstanding that I'm also an optimist, what Andrew says makes a lot of sense to me. Especially, that Starmer is not the same kind of man as Tony Blair. He doesn't admire buccaneering tycoons or the free market; doesn't like hanging out with the super rich. He comes from public service, admires the State and has strong views about the disrespect shown to working class people. Also love the bit about how vested interests will fight him but he won't be interested! This gives me hope.

Thank you Andrew, you personified my optimism!

I'm a member of the Labour party (only as of Truss' resignation) and they obviously have my vote as the only party that can come to power and remove the Tories. However, my membership and future votes will entirely depend on how they perform in the first term. At least as a member I can have a say in swaying the party in a way that might improve the lives of the many, unlike the Tories where you need to be the top 1% to sway them at all.

Absolutely! The only thing he needs to do is to win the next GE. Without that first step, then NOTHING is possible, and the country will be lost to the Tory lunatics!

@Gregor_Ekart

3 ай бұрын

I find this logic rather infuriating, because what exactly are you saying? The only way to get a left-wing government is to lie to people that you're in fact right-wing and then change your position completely? Is that really the best that the UK can hope for? And like I'm staunchly left wing personally, but if plurality would prefer strong and stable government under May/Johnson/Truss/Sunak/Braverman, who am I to say they can't express their opinion at the polls? 😂 I don't want to strawman your argument, but are you not just suggesting secretly leftie Labour should scam people into voting against what they want?

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@thetragicyouth

3 ай бұрын

Have you not heard Reeves and Streeting's rhetoric? Very little will change under a Starmer government.

Well argued AM. I have always thought Starmer a potential 21st century Clement Attlee - who before he was elected was often dismissed as inconsequential and dull (Churchill said of him - “a modest man with much to be modest about”), who at a time when this country on its knees and broke after WW11 nevertheless gave us the NHS, Welfare State, Education reforms, massive house building programme, founding member of NATO and much more.

@nastropc

3 ай бұрын

Difference is all that was in the 1945 manifesto, Attlee wasn’t afraid of ambition

Dear god I hope you're right. Regardless, fascinating analysis as always. Thanks Andrew.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@arthurscargill8010

3 ай бұрын

@@Theforestbandit as the whole country is currently like this under the Tories I don't find this a very convincing argument.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

Sorry to hear that . my Area is Tory run and its nothing like. that just craters of the moon called potholes . but I am voting Reform because I dont want to live in a cess pit under labour, with strikes galore as was the last time they were in power.@@arthurscargill8010

Wishful thinking. "This generations Clement Attlee"😂😂. April fools isn't for 3 months.

@user-xk2ig4tc3f

3 ай бұрын

Says guy who thinks 6 weeks = 3 months

@daveoaktowers

3 ай бұрын

Maths not your strong point?

@winterbas8927

3 ай бұрын

I agree with the OP completely. The prospects of Mr Keir Stalmer being the type of Prime Minister as espoused by Mr Marr are as improbable as April Fools being 3 months away from the present moment in time.

@DC-YTC

3 ай бұрын

You don't count the current month

@daveoaktowers

3 ай бұрын

@@DC-YTC that's not how counting works I'm afraid.

This Andrew is exactly my feeling too. Glad to hear a heavyweight such as yourself saying so because I hear it nowhere else. All I’ve got to go on is my astute mate who has met Kier and rates him highly. I say to all the left who are up in arms about Kiers stance: We cannot change the direction of the country unless we are in power. The interesting British Electoral System and the ruthless Tory Press stand in the way of that. How would YOU get past that?

Don’t let this weapon influence you. Think for yourself. X

I think he’ll definitely be more radical in office than his campaign

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@markbebber2284

3 ай бұрын

His campaign to become leader was radical and based on Jeremy Corbyn’s manifesto. He dropped every promise. The man is a liar and labour are getting most of their money from big business now. And as for Peter Mandelson, we all know what he is and his Association with Jeffrey Epstein. that should be enough to be very suspicious of Starmer

@ykm257

3 ай бұрын

Radical like green lighting war crimes?

@ykm257

3 ай бұрын

Why did he suspend Andy McDonald?

@kyorin6526

3 ай бұрын

@@ykm257 A quick Google would reveal the reason for that. Are you looking for something else?

The shadow health minister's ideas about giving NHS diagnostic services to private companies terrifies me.

@peterwait641

3 ай бұрын

This will generate more after dinner speaking and directorship jobs and lead to tax avoidance. Pay , conditions and pensions for staff will be crappy under private control !

@elainecarr6367

3 ай бұрын

Being a floating voter Labour scare me

@peterwait641

3 ай бұрын

@@elainecarr6367 both parties are self serving to enrich themselves , last decent Labour leaders who did not want to get rich were Michael Foot and Jeremy corbin lol

@englishsteve1465

3 ай бұрын

@@elainecarr6367 More than a continuation of the decline and corruption we have now ? Wow ! Why do you fear what is, after all, a very centre right version of Labour ? I have to call into question your sources of information. Is it possible you are being deliberately misled about what a Labour govt would _actually_ be like ?

@djohnston6856

3 ай бұрын

@@englishsteve1465 the source of the information was the shadow health minister. Remember the crap private DX companies pulled during the pandemic? Now imagine a company like Randox tendering for cancer diagnostics, or microbiology services.

I hope your right Andrew but this generations Clement Attlee is quite the title to live up to, Attlee was one of a kind and then some

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@khar12d8

3 ай бұрын

He lost to the Tories in 1951 ushering in 13 years of Tory rule.

Thanks Andrew, you say what I believe, which I suppose makes me an incurable optimist too. We need optimism more than ever though, and I don't believe it's misplaced here. Keep up the good work at the NS.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Goodluck sir Keir, I have no doubt you will be a shining light in British politics.

I hope you’re right, Andrew !

Deluded to say he'll be radical. Absolutely deluded

Excellent video from Mr. Marr. Could Mr. Marr, take some time and show the audience the different media outlets Labour will have problems with, during the election? Daily Mail etc. Would Mr. Marr accept a media oversight appointment if Labour win?

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Great video if you don't immediately turn it off at the sight of Mandelson! 😄

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@lindaj5492

3 ай бұрын

Or at the sight of that posh guy who doesn’t wear flip flops 😡

I’m sorry but there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Starmer will be radical in government. Wanting to win at any cost does not make him radical. But I will be pleased to be proved wrong.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

What's Marr been smoking?! 🤣

Huge admirer of your body of work over the years. Always worth listening to or watching. Keep up the good work kind regards Stephen

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Andrew, you are brilliant! Keep your eternal optimism:-)

I totally agree.. same analysis

I’ve been saying similar for ages: Starmer has only one goal and is going after it with laser focus. Once in government, Labour will be radical and reforming. Can’t wait..

@TruthTortoise81

3 ай бұрын

you're dreaming.

@ecnalms851

3 ай бұрын

@@TruthTortoise81 He’s right. Remember Starmer was under Corbyn’s leadership and even after Corbyn was no longer leader he still had his 2019 pledges which included big nationalisation plans, increased workers rights plans, more devolution, Green New deal, reducing tax avoidance, etc… We have to wait for the manifesto but I believe that although publicly he seems soft and not dissimilar compared to the Tories, in private I believe his still much more radical than he is letting on. Of course there are financial constraints because of how the Tories have messed everything up but I still believe he will definitely be more interventionist than he is currently letting on

@Gregor_Ekart

3 ай бұрын

​@@ecnalms851 I sure hope faith will pay the bills and give us somewhere to live, cause what you're saying sounds like a toxic relationship where you are deluded into believing they'll get better 😂

@Noel-ji8nm

3 ай бұрын

​@@ecnalms851Starmer ditched all those policies way before Truss messed up the economy.

@ecnalms851

3 ай бұрын

@@Noel-ji8nm Yes I know to be appear more centrist publicly but I still believe he still holds interventionist views with regards to the economy

So glad Andrew left the BBC, great to hear what he really thinks and his real analysis

Heaven help us; Starmer is OK but what about the rest of them? Who can name more than 5 members of the shadow cabinet?

@belindamay8063

3 ай бұрын

@what’s your interest really ? Political in-fighting and personalities have become a distraction and even an addiction - the Tories use them a lot. . We need to put them aside now. We mustn’t be ripped apart by the stirrers in the media.

I think, I hope, you are right Andrew ..

An excellent résumé of where we are , & where we are going

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Starmer radical? Seriously? He's about as middle of the road as it gets

I'd be much more optimistic about a Starmer government if I could be sure they were going to act against the outrageous corruption, nepotism, and incompetence of the Tory establishment and reform our Ruritanian electoral system. I hope Andrew's optimism is correct ...

When the manifesto is published the tories will have their main attack line destroyed.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Frankly as a previous big time Corbyn supporter, this drive to win is what the party needs. The country has been under the Tories grip of managed decline for far too long and the country is in a sorry state. Speaking as a northerner the amounts of deprivation around are awful. Fingers crossed he's the next Atlee as that's the only way out of this mess.

The fact that he's close to Peter 'I try to undermine Jeremy Corbyn every single day’ Mandleson says all you need to know. Mandleson is an open snake, and should have had his membership revoked over his words and actions in 2017. If Starmer is siding with him it shows that he doesn't give a damn about the Labour Party or the people of this country, he's only interested in looking after himself. And at least Andrew is admitting to being an eternal optimist, otherwise I'd suggest he'd lost the plot.

"Too timid" on gaza?? That is one way to put it?? He was aggressively and steadfastly anti-palestinian, how do you read timidity into that? He took a clear and uncompromising stance.

@Muzikman127

3 ай бұрын

I mean sure he could have been far worse and less moderated with his rhetoric about it I guess, but that would have been even worse!

Will labour likely to hammer the pensioners he needs to be careful. Our state pension should be doubled. Will he do that?

@zednotzee7

3 ай бұрын

As someone on the state pension only, I wouldn't mind that as you can imagine lol. But I'd be happy with less than that as long as money goes to the NHS ( and I mean the NHS, NOT the private companies who cream the top off the NHS funding atm ) or for something else that will make the ordinary person's life easier.

@JAMESLOONEY-kd1nu

3 ай бұрын

He will double cross you😅pension will double and the new retirement age will be 80

@belindamay8063

3 ай бұрын

@@zednotzee7 I admire your insight and your fighting spirit.

@zednotzee7

3 ай бұрын

@@belindamay8063 Thanks, very kind of you.🙂

this is unbelievably delusional

@bwright227

3 ай бұрын

It's unbelievably insightful.

Kid Starver’s stained in Gaza baby blood before he even gets there🩸💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

Andrew, I'm not an incurable optimist. Unlike you, my main demeanour is cheerful pessimism. I hope you're right!

I do hope you're correct in your assertion Andrew but, sadly, I don't see it. I'm very pessimistic about the future of the UK.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Genuinely wild suppositions in this video. On a day when he drops £28 billion green energy pledges.

@rubeusignis1293

3 ай бұрын

I feel like you've missed the point. Marr is saying that right now Starmer will do anything to win the election, including dropping the £28 billion pledge. But, after he's elected, he will turn that same drive and determination towards effectively governing the country

@gmanlee575

3 ай бұрын

No cannabis legalisation either i suppose

@terrancehall9762

3 ай бұрын

​@@rubeusignis1293 that rarely happens.

@randomdaveUK

3 ай бұрын

Dropping the pledge because it's unaffordable now is refreshing. Compared to the Tories who promised so much and broke those promises with every single manifesto from 2010 to 2019

@terrancehall9762

3 ай бұрын

@@randomdaveUK it is shortsighted

This is what I have been saying since he became leader. As a LP member I have seen much conflict as a result of the control exerted.

I agree with you on Starmer and thank you Andrew for all your optimism we really need it right now! KEIR and his team have looked at countries like Australia and how Labor in the election before last offered too many radical policies and allowed the very unpopular Liberals to remain in office. Last election they reined it in being careful not to over promise just to get over the line. I lived in Australia in the 70’s and 80’s and they are were a far more conservative country than ours and their Labor party is quite a bit more right wing than our Labor but still found it hard to get back into government. I really think KEIR genuinely wants to change the country for the better and isn’t in it for the power and kudos. He knows from personal experience how we need our NHS to be fully functioning and that it’s about it being better run as well as investing more and spending more wisely. He knows as you say that the Tory attack dogs will play as dirty as possible to scare voters away from Labour. I think a lot of plans are being made behind closed doors and a few will be declared at the election once we know when it will be. They are keeping relatively quiet as they know the Tories Will try to steal their best ideas like getting rid of non dom status etc. That money has unfortunately now been spent on pre election give aways. Like you say Labour will have to be very radical to repair the damage to the country. We have to hope that things can get better but it won’t happen overnight. I was sorry that so many of what I call the ‘good’ or moderate Tories were thrown out of the party by Johnson. Since then the party has just lurched further to the right and let’s be clear Sunak is scared far right head bangers.

After the reneging on the Green Finance plan i am very tempted to spoil my ballet

Background, I was Tory for decades, but switched. I love how Keir Starmer is painted as a flip flopper and inconsistent by the increasingly desperate Tories. One of the primary signs of intelligence is changing your opinion / position as you accumulate more data. One of the traits of stupidity is rigidly sticking to an old position when you now know it's wrong. I would far prefer a pragmatic and realistic leader who responds to new information than the weak, obsequious little man that we have today, or the disaster of a lettuce we had previously. Don't even get me going on Boris Johnson. Thanks Andrew.

@robertgannon-cx2mm

3 ай бұрын

For pragmatism, read shallow vacuousness! A political leader without clear coherent, definitive beliefs or policies, who blows with the wind, is one without principles! A political leader without principles is a dangerous one, and one who should be nowhere power!! Johnson being a prime example. Starmer will do what Blair, mandelson, and big business tells him to do!

@Celestialrob

3 ай бұрын

Roibert, your ability to predict the future is impressive. We shall see what Keir Starmer does when he is Prime Minister.

@ianfraser6161

3 ай бұрын

I agree completely with you 100%. As facts and problems evolve, or your understanding of the complexities changes, improves, then tactics and strategy can change too, to get a better outcome. As you say, it is a strength, not a weakness.

@robertgannon-cx2mm

3 ай бұрын

@@Celestialrob thanks

@mattcast44

3 ай бұрын

In that case given the number of U-turns he's made Starmer must be a fucking genius!

God Andrew loves Starmer. Ever the optimist

Keir Starmer... Radical... 💀

We sure as heck need a Clement Atlee. I also think that at some point there has to be honesty - along the lines of "OK so you want some hope? Well, you CAN have it, but only if you are also prepared to positively invest in our society, which will also mean that those who can afford to do so, should pay a little bit more in tax... after all there are no free lunches in life. If something is worth having, it is also worth paying something for, and a happier, and calmer society is certainly worth paying for!"

@danielwebb8402

3 ай бұрын

Conservatives tried "NI is going up. All of it and some going to nhs". People squealed so loudly it lasted a few months. People "say" happy to pay higher taxes if goes to X, Y, Z. Free to say.

@SlowhandGreg

3 ай бұрын

Our tax is high enough the problem is it appears optional for the wealthy EX Micheal Mone 200 million contract 60 million profit straight into an offshore account no tax and completely gone from the economy

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

@captaintorch983

3 ай бұрын

Attlee who established the NHS, then invited half of the world to benefit from it. Attlee who insisted we had an atom bomb. Attlee who gave the Russians our latest jet engine.

@khar12d8

3 ай бұрын

@@SlowhandGreg Tax will always be more optional for the wealthy. That's what wealth does. You're living in a fantasy world if you think the state will ever be able to extract ever more wealth from the rich. We live in a globalised world. You can move to Switzerland. You can move your assets. There may be scope for taxing richer folk a bit more but the harsh truth is that ordinary people have to pay up more tax if you want more money for public services. Offshore tax havens are almost impossible to stop because you need massive international agreements to make it work. It's like capital controls, that could help to reduce money being taken out of the country. But if only the UK does capital controls and nobody else then that looks terrible for the British economy, especially when London is such a global city (the heart of the economy). Arguably, a net negative overall for the economy even if you stop some tax avoidance/ evasion.

I agree wholeheartedly. Having watched Labour lose too many elections since 1979, Labour are so vulnerable on the economy. They need to give no ammo to the Tories, so dropping the £28Bn pledge is the right thing to do, no matter how painful.

@kanedNunable

3 ай бұрын

which is odd seeing as labour always do a far better job with the economy than the tories.

@RichardLamsdale

3 ай бұрын

I agree, which is especially frustrating. No point expecting it to change - work around it@@kanedNunable

@mattcast44

3 ай бұрын

Was it the right thing to do for the environment?

@julianhuntly9622

3 ай бұрын

After the absolute Horlicks the Tories have made of the economy I don't believe Labour is as vulnerable as they once were.

@tomvandersteen5880

3 ай бұрын

@@mattcast44Yes because if they allow the Tories to win by poking easy holes in their economic plans then we get 5 more years of the Tories approving new oil fields and being told to scrap net zero by their donors.

What worries me is the contradiction between saying Starmer is cautious and that he'll turn out to be a radical PM, but I guess the proof that his intent is quietly radical is probably the speech he have at the Labour conference that certainly pulled some of the right strings. And I can see 100% that he has a steely determination and laser focus on his goals, which will make him a tenfold more effective leader than any Tory PM since Thatcher. He knows how to get things done in the real world, not the world of lobbying and political think tanks; he has a feeling for organisations and a deep appreciation of the importance of managing the details and building organisations that are effective: this government's Tories seem to have no interest in building competence in administration and management, they don't even understand the damage done by constantly changing ministers: no senior leader in any organisation can figure out a plan and deliver it in less than 2 years or so minimum - complex change just takes time and sustained effort. I understand that the Tories will play dirty, and will ruthlessly exploit every opportunity to attack Labour. However, what I fear Labour under-estimate is the Tory cunningness with slogans (it's why Sunak probably wants to work with Dominic Cummings). The Brexit "Take back control" and the later "Get Brexit done" are deceptively simple slogans that did their 'work' at a very subtle and deeply psychological level, the effect of which I would call simply "emotional". Neuroscientists know that fuly 80% of the brain's thought processes are classified as "emotional thought" including ALL OF DECISION MAKING. Labour have not, I fear, figured out how to pull emotional levers in the Tory swing voters' minds. Simple messages with emotional resonance are not just hot air, and I fear Starmer's highly rational, cold analytical, "serious" approach might under-value the power of apparently small matters like slogans that embed themselves in people's heads and pull the right emotional chords. This is why I think he runs the risk that his future "radicalness" will simply not be believed as the Tories shout "U-turn" and blurt out their nonsense... it is not that the Tories make sense that is dangerous to Labour, it is only that they create doubt and extinguish any sense of excitement.

Thank you Andrew, as ever, for your wise and considered views. 👍 🙏 👏

I think it is better to be realistic rather than optimistic. We have a public sector funding crises and a lot of money is needed to fix it. Starmer has ruled out all the options available to raise that revenue. I know we hear about windful taxes, taxing the non-doms and "growth in the economy". All worth doing but not enough. The day he enters office the unions will be demanding big pay increases and Labour will not be able to raise the revenue to fund them. We are likely to see the kind of protests that have undermined Macron in France. Starmer's government likewise will be under siege very quickly. I hope I am wrong because across the democratic world the price of left wing failure is the growth of the far right.

@aleph8888

3 ай бұрын

It’s not how much the government spends; it’s how it spends it.

@IshtarNike

3 ай бұрын

He could raise the revenue. He's tied his own hands in some misbegotten attempt to prove that he's fiscally responsible.

@clementattlee6984

3 ай бұрын

"Labour will not be able to raise the revenue to fund them" You clearly don't understand how fiat currencies work. The UK government owns the Bank of England, which makes it the legal issuer of Sterling. You cannot run out of something you create. Currency issuers also have to spend before they tax - you cannot ask people to pay tax with money they haven't got, so it has to be spent into the economy first and then work its way through into people's pay packets. A currency-issuing government is not financially constrained, it has an infinite spending capacity, and it can afford anything that is for sale in its currency. Any government could fully fund all public services, they just choose not to because they are ideologically opposed to doing so. Either Starmer knows this and is pretending he doesn't , which makes him a liar and unfit to hold office, or he doesn't in which case he's incompetent and unfit to hold office. #DiscoverMMT

@LeftLib

3 ай бұрын

@@clementattlee6984 I am not an economist however I have heard the argument made that if you print money to pay off your debts then that causes inflation. If the solution was to print money to pay off your debts, then all governments will be doing it.

@abdvs325

3 ай бұрын

Starmer is not left wing. So the left cannot being failing with him.

Kier Starmer could be *radically* mediocre.

@kanedNunable

3 ай бұрын

tho i will take mediocrity over absolute clusterfk the tories have given us.

The UK is conservative by default, Starmer is the best we can hope for. Personally, I can't wait

I agree with you about Keir starmer .just hope more people give him a chance. We need a more steady hand running the country after the past 13 years of corrupt Conservative government

I hope you're right, because so far I think he's a coward and a fraud.

@ykm257

3 ай бұрын

Correct. The human rights lawyer who gives the green light to war crimes.

@belindamay8063

3 ай бұрын

@seraron. What you want is excitement, fireworks. Just shows how far the Tories have infantilised us with their antics. Good government is hard slog, dull a lot of the time - like studying for an exam. It’s the results that matter. That’s the really enjoyable bit. Not daily rows , scandals, and the clash of “personalities”.

@monkeymox2544

3 ай бұрын

@@belindamay8063 who said they wish Starmer was more interesting? I just want him to keep his promises, stop turning Labour into the Tory-Lite party, and stop purging anyone to the left of the Blairites.

@Harriet-Jesamine

3 ай бұрын

Exactly, an anti-political politician, a manager without any ideology, who distrusts ideology, even though throughout history, change only comes about VIA persons who have ideology who gain power. Kier is attempting to gain power, by trying to placate the Para-democratic Corporativist forces that he will merely manage things without disturbing the rotten dark satanic mills (or it's modern equivalents) system thats has become entrenched!!! Prove me wrong in 10 years😂

"If voting made any difference then they wouldn't let us do it" - Mark Twain. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" - The Who. Point made, nuff said.

@MrBizteck

3 ай бұрын

Pathetic thoughts like that is what the Tories are counting on. Oh WHY bother THEY are ALL the SAME boo HOO. If you really think Blair was the same as Thatcher or Major you need your head examined. Was he perfet hell no but he moved the dail is Starmer perfect HA no! But he's no Bojo no Truss. I dont want a revolution I like my head still on my neck. !

I'm about 90% sure this will not happen unless Britain is starting to prepare for war. But I appreciate the honest optimism Andrew.

Insightful and interesting as always.

A labour win at the next election is certainly not a given. That said the current PM tactic of holding off as long as possible in the hopes that something will come along has the whiff of desperation about it. I just hope whoever wins funds the armed forces properly and in good time too. My gut tells me we're going to need them soon enough.

@Theforestbandit

3 ай бұрын

if labour win the next election . Britain will become like all the labour run cities in Britain . a cesspit of abandoned wrecked cars graffiti ridden houses and derelect buildings, front gardens and streets full of Beds , Fridges , furniture , and overflowing wheely bins and Dustbin Bags . Just look at any labour run City or Town, and that is just the begining. Council tax rises and more cuts to services . your personnel Debt will Rise and Reposessions will be the norm and migration will make you a minority in your own street,

Even by Marr's standards this is some moon logic

Since his statement re. Brexit, I have been convinced that this was not all. The policies I listened to at the conference, all filed me with hope - something we all need so much.

@MetalSamantha

3 ай бұрын

Nothing he says impresses me in the slightest, for the simple reason that he can’t go three seconds without changing his mind

@suewardastrologer

3 ай бұрын

A whole 3 seconds? My goodness, even the Mail doesn't accuse him of that.@@MetalSamantha

I agree with everything you said on this occasion Andrew