Beethoven wasn’t ahead of his time .he was in a different dimension of time altogether.

@martinstremlow2997

3 жыл бұрын

Greaaat comment ! You nailed it !

@thebluepoetjohnmichalisnik8742

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinstremlow2997 Brilliant comment !!

@zaramayne2444

2 жыл бұрын

Yossi neveler Very well said ⭐⭐⭐

@beverlyjensen9121

2 жыл бұрын

Hów True this is....jn

@jduff59

2 жыл бұрын

So true, and he still has never lost his relevance. This piece could come out tomorrow and we'd love it just as much.

As the daughter of a concert clarinetist. My life was rich. In more ways than I can list. How sad this country doesn’t embrace and support the arts. Music, the classics aren’t in classrooms nor learned simply adored by a few relative to contemporary musicians. So papa thank you and your grandchildren carry on. I miss you and sometimes listening hurts but nonetheless will forever connect. The discipline, language, culture, solos and orchestral beauty are a gift.

The greatest symphony works of all times.

Best symphony ever written. I've always said it...and people ask me why, and I can't put it into words. This doc helped do that for me.

@johnnebocat1397

3 жыл бұрын

totally agree. I particularly appreciate the comment maybe by the principal flautest that "Listening to the Eroica is like listening to your life."

@jduff59

2 жыл бұрын

The Ninth? That's why I don't use the word "Best" .They are great works or art.

@andrewb9974

2 жыл бұрын

@@jduff59 didn't say the 9th wasn't a work of art. But even Beethoven himself said the 3rd was his favourite. I can look at a wall full of Picasso and still have a favourite.

@peace-now

2 жыл бұрын

Tchaikovsky Six is as good to my mind.

@classicalperformances8777

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewb9974 where exactly did he say it was his favorite? interesting

Thank God for Beethoven. Seriously.

@TerryUniGeezerPeterson

3 жыл бұрын

Thank Beethoven for Beethoven.

@katrinat.3032

5 ай бұрын

I know right!

Keeping Score is one of the greatest series I have been watching with great pleasure. Of course Maestro Michael Tilson Thomas shines in the series and deserves most of the credit but I would like to congratulate the orchestra musicians as well! Maestro, I wish you health and a wonderful long life to continue offering us the joy of music!

I love Beethoven! I imagine that when Angels play music for themselves, they play Mozart, however, when Angels play music for God, they play Beethoven!

@1noowy

Жыл бұрын

...and God plays Bach for both

He was good composer with geniuse and compassion for music. I do feel sorry for him because he didn't have good life. I always love him.

Fantastic!!! Great presentation, great education, great conducting, great performance. Simply a wonderful solute to my all time hero, Beethoven

Happy 250th birthday Beethoven 2020 ❤️💜

Before Beethoven, music was orderly, predictable, non-threatening, barely or rarely provocative, safe -- but music, and we all, needed Beethoven to come along at the right time in history, for the benefit of a humanity that is at once deeply flawed and also yearning in hope of Something Better, so he smashed all the old rules and redefined music itself. Beethoven experienced the deep disappointment and despair of a life fraught with frustration, but somehow he found within himself the spark of strength to never give up. His Third is a vivid testament to that. So much has been written and spoken about his life, and this program was exceptionally illuminating about the meaning of it, and his music which until now I could not put into words, but it's become so much clearer. Many thanks.

@BobandWeave83

Ай бұрын

Well said my friend.

We're so proud to have worked with MTT and the San Francisco Symphony to create this series, between 2002 and 2011. I hope it's available to everyone, worldwide, for as long as possible. David Kennard, InCA Productions, San Francisco.

@gdmoore

3 жыл бұрын

You should allow a download option on the website.

@antigraphein943

3 жыл бұрын

I wish you had done much more docs. You can't dimension its importance. I'm pretty ignorant about classics and this opened a brand new and wonderful world for me.

@InCAdocumentaries

3 жыл бұрын

We did 9 of these Keeping Score docs - one per year - and would have loved to do more but the San Francisco Symphony eventually ran out of funding.

@lymangreen5020

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this documentary!!

@jasonfallon4968

Жыл бұрын

Outstanding .

Third time I listened to this. to the greatest peace of music in my life. First time I listened to it, was when a close friend gave me a tape wtih the Eroica when I was very young. He requested me only to listen to it in a moment of complete privacy. This moment changed my life forever, I did not realize by then, but I know by now and but of course it was the fourth movement. These melodies resounded in me and in times of great despair, they called me back. I gratefully followed. Ludwig’s life reminded me that there is something greater than me and that I had to follow and to serve. It saved my life. Roland from good old Germany.

The documentary is superb! Michael Tilson Thomas deserves highest praise for his endeavours! It's not just my favourite symphony, but it's path breaking. Thanks for the post. Jamshed K Delvadavala Mumbai.

Thank you for your exploration of Beethoven and thank you & the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra for your superb performance.

There's no doubt this is the greatest Symphony of all time

@DynastieArtistique

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. This tops any Mahler symphony, and Bruckner symphony, any Schubert symphony, and any Shostakovich symphony. But not in complexity or dramaticism, but in sheer greatness, genius, simplicity, and energy.

@srothbardt

Жыл бұрын

Beethoven said it was the favorite of his.

Most outstanding documentary I have ever had the pleasure of watching. Just fantastic.

@grantsmythe8625

3 жыл бұрын

I'm just beginning. I hope to have the same experience.

It's been the most brilliant and compehensive presentation of Eroica I've ever watched and heard. I would like to express my gratitude for this gift.Thank you!

@bethstein

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I learned so much watching this beautiful and informative piece on Eroica! I love Beethoven and learning more about how his inner thoughts that led to composing this great masterpiece is something I shall always cherish!

This series "Keeping Score" is one of the most interesting educational experiences of my confinement. It came about just when we have to stay in and watch TV or KZread. Thank you, MTT.

For me this Eroica is Beethovans epic autobiblograph !Tragic but epic !

I love this guy’s documentaries.

In these dark times, it's so valuable your contribution to music and culture in general. A bow, a big thank.

All these musicians are incredible. De amount of knowledge understanding music it’s unreal. Very special people

That was a lot of fun exploring the world of Fin du siècle Vienna along with Beethoven’s social and personal travails and triumphs that deepen our understanding of the expressions that are the granite from which the 3rd Symphony was quarried. Also fun was getting to watch the San Francisco Symphony rehearsing for a performance of the work. I was happy to hear that this was Beethoven’s favorite of his 9 symphonies, because it is my favorite as well (you know what they say about minds that think alike!). But I’m surprised that the 9th wasn’t no.1 for him.

I really enjoyed this documentary, Mr. Thomas provides an excellent interpretation and explanation. The San Francisco orchestra is 1st class.

He's a wonderful conductor - so full of life and vitality. This 3rd is magnificent. It begins at 57:29

This is the most comprehensive documentary on beethovens eroica symphony I've watched. The BBC documentary on its performance is also remarkable!

@Noctifern

Жыл бұрын

BBC is a movie on it id imagine. not really a doc

What a beautiful and educational presentation. Thank you Michael for pouring your heart into it. ❤

I’m no crying, no. It is just a Beethoven got in to my eye.

No one is greater.

THE CROWN OF BEETHOVEN VAN LUDWIG...& WHAT A GUYS YOU MAESTRO MICHAEL & ORCHESTRA -GRANDE..VERY INSPIRATIONAL SHOW KEEPING SCORE/ THANK YOU & GOD BLESS...

So.... The night after the Mahler 1 at the Proms the SFS came back with this monster. Before the end of bar 1 I knew I was in trouble. How was I stitching my face back together after back to back immortal Mahler and Beethoven masterpieces played for me 10m away by this superb orchestra? I mean I had work the next day. Beethoven's bassoon soon soothed the anxiety and we were away. I thought I knew this piece inside out, but I felt the beginning of one of the slow mvt tender sections through my feet from the basses before I was aware of it through my ears. The performance was that good. Sincere thanks to any SFS musicians reading who played on that tour. You rocked. There's a historical dramatisation of the events surrounding this piece available on youtube (called Eroica I believe). Beethoven meets one his musicians, rushing for fear of being late for the premiere near the steps of the venue. As the chap rushes round the back to the tradesman entrance, Beethoven calls him back saying "We're artists. We go through the front door". I don't care if this has any basis in fact, but I feel it in every bar he wrote. Blessings to all involved in this project.

@julieconnard4372

Жыл бұрын

What a gloriously beautiful comment!

This is such a great series...MTT does such a fantastic job...

I love these videos..it just raises my respect for musicians!

classical music is like pyramids .....legacy of humanity...forever!!

Thank you for an epic insights of the symphony! Having been to all those places myself as a huge Ludwig fan, this means so much more! Well done!

AWESOME PERFORMANCE!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤......

Keeping Score - Beethoven's Eroica Full thanks from Japan to Michael Tilson Thomas, San Francisco Symphony. We could feel the soul of Beethoven. Every part of the music, orchestra and explanation reached our mind and soul. Thank you indeed. He-day from Japan

@vincentlombardo9797

2 жыл бұрын

The 'soul' of Beethoven .. ummmm.. tell me what that is, please.

@julieconnard4372

Жыл бұрын

@@vincentlombardo9797 Do you honestly not know what he means?

@vincentlombardo9797

Жыл бұрын

@@julieconnard4372 in some ways, I do.. Beethoven I mean ....

Bravo! Outstanding! So wish I could see MTT and the SFSO in person!

"A brief glimpse of paradise" Oh my ! 😄😄😄

Indeed, this documentary is very educational for me. Thank you.

Thank you, Michael for this deep-dive into the ]perhaps] greatest composer to have ever breathed God's air. You are truly a true conductor. Many unlearned 'audiophiles' might determine your job as that who just puts on some stylistic "dance" to the given score. Believe me - I understand completely the vast range of instrumental and compositional knowledge your craft demands. One could only dream of acquiring your position. Bravo, sir.

@julieconnard4372

Жыл бұрын

No "perhaps" about it. 🙂

Thank you so very much for this in-depth excursion into the fullness of Beethoven’s personal exposition of his life and spirit through this, his Third Symphony, the Erorica. There is just so very, very much here, I just never tire of hearing it again, again and again, again. Thank you for sharing this on utube where a poor nobody as me can enjoy something so fulfilling.

@yarazooom

2 жыл бұрын

Beethoven wrote it for ALL us 'poor nobodys' of this World. WE are here to enjoy its life-giving energy & pass it down to the Future as he did

Thanks and God bless you Maestro 🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️

Classical music needs more conductors like Michael Tilson.

@hulkking7789

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

Fabulous! My new favorite symphony orchestra 💕

I like that they give an introduction into the concert 56:30

Inspiring, soothing, I found this to be a "go to" therapy for starting the 5th week of being homebound. I hope it will bring the same to others as we experience this together. It is the other end of the spectrum from cotton masks and banana bread. Please invest the time.

@mbradley5683

4 жыл бұрын

Nancy Blanton yes we can use this time for enrichment of the soul while in hard times

@Jivanmuktishu

4 жыл бұрын

Listen to this often. And try it with other conductors too--all the great conductors have tried this piece at least once. Each time you hear it, you will find something beautiful that you did not hear before. IKYN (I.Kid.You.Not)

so captivating and so much information in the first half or more . bless all the players and the conductor

Brilantní provedení,děkuji za překrásný hudební zážitek

I guess it is basically harmless to verbalize what the music is presenting. However, one must remember that the music speaks for itself. I first heard this symphony 56 years ago. It took me over when I was about 15. For a period of time I lived and breathed it. There was no analysis of it, just the living of it. It spoke to me directly. Music is its own language, not translatable into words and, as Beethoven himself said, "A higher revelation than philosophy."

@andrewsnow1933

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. As a child i fell in love with this music. What did i know about psychology or the inner workings of LVB? But, the music spoke to me on a way i could not verbalize. I knew it was great, just didn't kmow why. It speaks for itself. There was something there. Maybe it was the sheer, unapologetic energy.

@LaurentPingaultLyon

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but as said Leonard Bernstein in his videos "unanswered questions" : As any language, music has it's own rules, grammar, phonetics, vocabulary etc. Learning it is what it takes to appreciate and why not create new symphonies like LVB

absolutely beautiful..thank you

This has enhanced my appreciations of LVB.

stunning

indeed..simply a genius. nothing but perfect..perhaps a gift from God

un Beethoven de supériorité;admiration,un chant et un chemin de lumière

This is the greatest most insightful revealing and entertaining thing Ive watched IN AGES!!!'

Fantastic. Thank you all, and Beethoven as well. Who knows?

The ads every 3 - 5 minutes made this highly enjoyable to watch.

I very much appreciated the documentary part of this and the performance that followed, it helped me enjoy the work much more. Both this performance and others I have heard, both in concert and in recordings. It also helped me appreciate Michael Tilson Thomas as a musician and conductor and of course the San Francisco Symphony Orchestra and it's musicians. I hope to see more of them on KZread. I don't know anymore how to buy actual discs except thru Amazon, and I don't particularly like Amazon, they seem too full of themselves. I am a subscriber of the Charleston, SC Symphony Orchestra and used to subscribe to the Baltimore Symphony when I lived there.

me encanta este director, da mucha enegia a la orquesta y este es excelente documental no tiene precio, gracias maestro Michael Tilson Thomas por tan valioso comnocimiento Dios lo bendiga

Great commentary on the monumental symphony, coming from a maestro who again re-lives or demonstrates the heroic spirit by a vivacious lecture. I have listened to this masterpiece over the 40 yrs now countless times as even many others around the world would have. This documentary gives us the perception that the Eroica symphony is not just about the French revolution but is a musical epic on man's life- challenges, tragedies, sorrows, hope, despair, thrills and jubilations. The role of different instruments in the orchestra in playing the various moods of the music as explained in the funeral march part is indeed a new insight.

Thank you❤

Marvellous...

Really good program - loved every minute of it.

@aileenteo7027

10 ай бұрын

Me, too!!!

If Dr. Takasawa is reading the comments I'd like to thank him for pointing me to this wonderful documentary.

When I was a little boy, Way back home in Bonn My mama told me, I was great. Then when I was a teenager, I knew that I had got something going, All my friends told me I was great. And now I'm a man, A woman took me by the hand, And you know what she told me...i was great.

And wonderful to see Bill again!

Awesome documentary and performance! Mvt 1 57:32 / Mvt 2 1:14:21 / Mvt 3 1:31:25 / Mvt 4 1:37:31

@josemiguelmonardesmuller5803

Жыл бұрын

Muchas GRACIAS 🎉❤29.3.2023

This is a great program, I mean one of the best in the kind. Thanks.

Beethoven Music is very difficult and Great. You need to have passion to play it and to enjoy it. All of his Music are at least decades ahead of other composers. The best Symphony is still the Eroica. Bravo Ludwig, Brovo Ludwig, Brovo Ludwig ..................................

@zaramayne2444

2 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Chai. Very well said Amen 💞

@jimmychai621

2 жыл бұрын

@@zaramayne2444 , Glad that you agreed with my opinion. Cheers..

@zaramayne2444

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmychai621 Your very welcome thanks blessings ⭐

What a video!!

感谢上帝今天一早手机上弹出大指挥家思考了30年与贝多芬Eroica交响曲有关的问题，正好是我需要知道的！非常感谢指挥家迈克尔·蒂尔森·托马斯精彩讲解，对最近身边出现的不少令人深思无解的问题给出了不少答案…

Thank you MTT.

@RanBlakePiano

3 жыл бұрын

Gunthercsaid he d have brilliant future

Very insightful and compelling narrative imagining of the Eroica.

im forced to watched this for school .-. but its kinda lit

We wish to watch more productions of Keeping Score in the future, this is the perfect documentary for all type of audience. Great camera work, wonderful energy from the SFS and Maestro Tilson Thomas !!! Awesome 👏👏👏

@johnnebocat1397

3 жыл бұрын

I have several episodes yet to watch, but my favorite, next to this one, is his treatise on Stravinsky's Rite of Spring.

I wouldn’t have seen this wonderful video if not staying at home. Makes it all worth it as for myself.

I know this is a bit dated, but I don't know if there's a better orchestra in the U.S. these days, and MTT is surely one of our finest conductors.

@johnbanach3875

4 жыл бұрын

LA Phil?

@mydogskips2

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbanach3875 Not in my opinion, and certainly not under Dudamel. The NY Phil has gone downhill, I never cared much for Lorin Maazel, and think Alan Gilbert is out now, not that he was any good, and I'm not sure about the new guy. The CSO has gone down since Solti died. I'm not a huge fan of Muti, if he's still there. Boston has gone down in quality too. I'm not sure about Cleveland and maybe Detroit, are they considered premiere orchestras these days? Maybe Philadelphia? I don't know. I've always thought Slatkin was overrated, so Saint Louis didn't impress me. Again, I'm not sure how the SFS is doing today, but I do generally like MTT, he has consistently good performances, at least those that I have heard. And I just read that this will be his final season, so we'll see what happens after his tenure ends. Actually, just off the top of my head, I think James Levine may be the greatest living American conductor, but I'm not sure he's still active given his health, not to mention the scandal.

@johnbanach3875

4 жыл бұрын

@@mydogskips2 Definitely a detailed response! I'm not an expert, not even close. Are the big guns still Royal Concertgebouw, Berlin Phil, Vienna Phil, LSO, on the world stage? Anyway, LA Phil is the best PAID orchestra in America. I've read that.

@mydogskips2

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbanach3875 Honestly, I wouldn't know the current ratings, I don't really keep up with contemporary performances, I'm more into older recordings by the so-called legends. To me there probably isn't a younger conductor working today who can compare with Bernstein, Solti, Karajan, Szell, among others. There was a time I wanted to be a conductor myself, hence my interest. Those are all truly great orchestras, Royal Concertgebouw, LSO, BPO, VPO, among the very best in the world for sure, but I'm not sure how today's modern conductors fare. I believe Bernard Haitink was the long-serving music director/conductor of the Royal Concertgebouw, but I read that they had a falling out and he said he would never conduct the orchestra again, and of course that was some time ago. Personally, I think Haitink is one of the great living conductors, one of a few remaining legendary conductors, too many have died in the past few years, Harnoncourt, Abbado, and Mariss Jansons just to name a few. Oh, and Neville Marriner too. If Simon Rattle is the conductor of the LSO, then no way are they great, not in my opinion, I think he's a terrible conductor, his performance of the Gayneh Sabre Dance notwithstanding, it may actually be the best performance I've ever heard, but overall, I don't like him. I don't know the current conductors of Vienna or Berlin, one may be Christian Thielemann, and while he's not bad, in my experience he is somewhat inconsistent, not to mention his conducting style is absolutely atrocious, but he does have maybe the best performance of one of my favorite works, Beethoven's Missa Solemnis, I would put it right up there with 3 or 4 other recordings of the great mass, that by Klemperer, Karajan, Harnoncourt, and Fabio Luisi has a good performance I found here on YT. James Levine made a pretty good recording as well. In my opinion, the Missa Solemnis is Beethoven's greatest work, far superior to his 9th Symphony. If the L.A. philharmonic is the best paid, that's fine with me, it's not my money, I'm just glad there are still orchestras to be found, the one in my city went bankrupt a few years ago, but fortunately they were able to reorganize and rebrand before opening again.

@geoffroymb

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnbanach3875 In my opinion, M. mydogskips2 is a bit over nostalgic in his appreciation of today's conductors and performers, sure they may not have the same historical prestige as figures such as Bernstein and Karajan etc., but I believe the overall level and quality of performances has maintained if not mostly imroved. In the US, special mention to the outstanding performances of Yannick Nézet-Séguin and the Philadelphia Orchestra, and of course MTT's SFS. I don't know much about LA and Dudamel though.

Let only music rule the world fans & let it sound just this good

Much like Bernstein MTT is such a great educator.

This series is really good.

とっても楽しく視聴させていただきました〜有難うございます。

Apparently Dr Squatch was so interested in this video and symphony that he just had to put about 50 ads throughout it.

Then Ludwig came back to life to become a streamer.

Thank you thank you MTT and the SFSO for this awesome presentation ! I hope MTT continue with this amazing program .I am unable to locate your journey with B Eroica part 2,3,4 via You tube , pl help : Beethovan is as someone mentioned out of this dimension , I wish he had being happier ; I always shed tears when i listioned to him because he was soooo unhappy , he deserved abit of the joy he gave to millions of People !

I wish Beethoven were here now to lead us to freedom. If only someone could scratch out Bill Gates.

BEETHOVEN IS GOD. 🎹✨👊🏾

The notes of the theme of the last movement were found in Clementi, at a time when Beethoven was only seven years old, and long before his encounter with Steibelt.

Bravi! Fantastic job!

@RanBlakePiano

3 жыл бұрын

I d like more volume on this important series

I have never heard it mentioned that the opening theme in the finale of this symphony was borrowed from one of Beethoven's early German Country Dances.

@gunterangel

Жыл бұрын

Indeed ! Beethoven used this contredance first in his music for his ballet 'Die Geschöpfe des Prometheus' ( 'The Creatures of Prometheus') and then as the theme for his variations for piano op.35. And then at last as theme for the orchestra variations in the last movement of the 'Eroica'.

@notmyworld44

Жыл бұрын

@@gunterangel Yes. It's a very attractive melody, and enjoyable in all its manifestations. I have played the double-bass in a performance of the overture to Die Geschöpfe des Prometheus, but I don't remember what the ballet score sounds like. I must do a search for that here and listen again. Thank you for your interesting comment.

There is one thing I hear in this symphony that I’ve never heard mentioned. In the beginning of the finale as the music builds and builds to me, it’s the exact tempo of galloping horses. I just imagine these soldiers that are victorious riding in hundreds of them on their galloping horses. Just listen to the beginning of the finale and tell me you don’t hear that? @1:48:50

A word about the wonderful San Francisco Symphony. Introspective!

At precisely 8:26 there is the oddest looking viola! I would like to know more about that instrument!

Bravi

The thing about The Proms that most civilians don't get is the extreme proximity and connection with the musicians. You could not buy a seat in Davis Symphony Hall (my former local) and be closer to the band than I was that Monday evening in London a few years ago when they played this piece. The stage had been extended for David Attenborough and we could have cooked MTTs buns had we been distracted. Thank you, you facemelters of the 1st violins. Etc

The ads in this video are ridiculous... smh

It must require great stamina to conduct a symphony like this!

Brilliant

22:05 Beethoven really just T-posed on Steibelt