Katherine my favorite of historical characters associated with Henry. She was a good wife, Queen and mother. She was the first female ambassador ever. She was intelligent, humble and beautiful. I love it they still bring gifts to her tomb to this day.

@NCKrypotonite33

3 жыл бұрын

Me too! After the life she lived, I'm happy that she's remembered and honored still. She's my favorite of Henry's Queens.

@amyrat151

3 жыл бұрын

I have respect and empathy for all of Henry's wives but I like Katherine the best. She was a very strong person.

@AmberGraves80

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. She was such a powerhouse, wasn't she? Standing up for herself in a foreign country, on her own. She was so courageous.

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!!!!!!

@mariamjehn7071

3 жыл бұрын

God Bless her Soul...

I'm so mad that only now as an adult that she was a warrior queen! Textbooks always painted her as a dumpy, pious, dour, boring woman. It's interesting how as time goes on, Henry is becoming the least interesting person in the story of the Tudors.

@avantibev5814

3 жыл бұрын

Piety is one's DUTY toward God. In our age it has become sadly common to impute piousness as a negative characteristic as if duty to one's Creator made one dull. She, Thomas More, Fisher, Queen Isabella, Erasmus and other pious contemporaries were never dull.

@alicianieto2822

3 жыл бұрын

Well, textbooks have a non-subtle agenda to fulfill, specially in elementary schools.

@amyrat151

3 жыл бұрын

@@kinkyscartoons Yes, Anne is a very fascinating historical figure and I enjoy reading about her, in large part because of all of the mythology built around her and there has been so many different the academic perspectives used to view her through. However, Katherine is just as interesting and sympathetic a figure as Anne, even without all the mythology. Even though The Spanish Princess was an Emma Frost show, and therefor my expectations of it were not high, I was kind of excited for a show focused on Katherine. Now I'm sad because it was terrible.

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, exactly, it annoys me so much how textbooks do that, because in reality she was actually very beautiful and savage. The way she stood up to Henry and his men when she was in exile 🔥🔥

@brianeduardo1234

3 жыл бұрын

That would have been British propaganda - they did the same to Diana making her out to be mad and crazy....Catalina de Aragon was one of the most wronged women in history

Catharine of Aragon was one of the most powerful, educated and strategic minded women in history. She was an ambassador, a warrior, lindquist, an activist (if I remember correctly it was she who helped promote women learning to read in the English courts), a loving mother, devoted wife and completely loyal to her faith. She was a survivor. It saddens me that she is not remembered for all of her accomplishments, yet instead remembered for being Henry's cast aside wife. Like she failed as human being not giving him a surviving son. It does make me ponder how would history had changed if she and Henry had parted ways and she returned to rule Castille instead of her sister.

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

yesss

What a relief to have such a thorough, properly complicated, intelligent reading of these facts! Very well done.

@anniekate8244

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed, it was very interesting.

All of her early years, but particularly from 16 to 23, must have been an incredible psychological strain for Katherine. Can any of us women imagine being such a pawn in this game? All those years in a foreign land, wondering how all this was going to work out, as her political value went up or down. I am glad she had some years of happiness with Henry, but all in all, the poor woman led a doomed life.

@EverTheTwain

3 жыл бұрын

Carol Barclay: I believe our good thoughts reach those departed so wishing Catherine well is not a wasted exercise. I think Anne gets credit because of Elizabeth, although I think that queen was just as savage as her father. The Tudors were wastrels in the area of honor, cutthroat dealmakers, useful only as examples of how NOT to behave

@pistolannie6500

3 жыл бұрын

IF only Katherine had been able to return to her country sooner.....she would have have suffered all she did, & England would have had to suffer " Bloody Mary"! A woman that inherited her fathers mad & evil ways!! I believe his son May have taken from him b/c of his adulterous affair & evil ways (who's to say that..He might have taken on his father's unrepentant philandering ways? And I fully believe.... that Elizabeth Was Meant to b Queen, as his son did not live long... Mary reigned only a short time, producing No heirs..... Then look how long Elizabeth reigned & how MANY attempts against her were never successful !

@margo3367

2 жыл бұрын

I thought, when Dr. Kat was telling the story, how different royal life is than normal life. Catherine must have been used to the vagaries of court life. That’s not saying she wasn’t sad and tormented at times, but she knew the score and she dealt with it as a warrior.

@Angel-nu7fm

5 ай бұрын

There was a bad storm on the way to England, which some of her party took as a bad omen. They were right. She should have returned to Spain after Arthur''s death. Her pride kept her from doing it as she didn't wish to return unmarried.

Bravo. Henry had no idea how formidable Catherine was. She had a backbone of steel, unlike her unstable husband.

@Laramaria2

3 жыл бұрын

She was remarkable! Henry never gave her the admiration and value she deserved! I admire her perseverance!

@adriannespring8598

3 жыл бұрын

Truth!!! She taught him to rule, without her he'd have had nothing.

@teacheronthego291

2 жыл бұрын

She was born and bred to be a queen. Unlike Henry’s other wives save Anne of Cleves.

As usual, I think your idea of Catherine as a warrior to the end was spot on. She could not and would accept that she was not the legitimate queen

@EverTheTwain

3 жыл бұрын

Henry was the illegitimate one

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

@@EverTheTwain yes!

She was a true Queen. It was so sad how he treated her she didn't deserve it

Catherine is my favorite Queen and wife of Henry the eighth. Thank you for making this episode Dr. Kat!

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

mine too! She was the best by far, in my opinion

@seekingrainbows

2 жыл бұрын

Mine too!!

I would really love a video about Catherine's sister Juana. She was not an English Queen but she did have a pretty amazing life during this same period. I think seeing the sister's side by side as well as understanding their mother Queen Isabel gives a better insight into the iron of will that both had

@KL-ki8db

Жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, Juana became worse as Catalina was fortunate to move out of their mother's often abusive views on religion. Juana became known as Juana la loca or Joanna the mad/crazy in English because of her abusive parents, husband, and eventually son.

I always forget that she and Henry were initially happily married for so many years. I have great admiration for her parents and of course Katherine herself. I feel very sad for how she was eventually demeaned and undermined by Henry and ultimately cast aside. So much wasted potential once more imho. I sometimes wonder why her powerful relatives didnt intervene more in the run up to the eventual forced annulment of her marriage and agree that I don't think Henry understood her resolution and determination at all. What a wretched ending to a life with such initial success and potential. Thank-you, as ever Dr Kat. Hoping that you and your family are safe and well ♥️.

@NCKrypotonite33

3 жыл бұрын

I've read that she told the Pope and her nephew The Holy Roman Emperor that she didn't want any bloodshed on her part. That's a true testament to her character.

@kateh2007

3 жыл бұрын

@@NCKrypotonite33 Absolutely, I was thinking of her cousin Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor in particular. Also because Spain is a fairly near neighbour to us here in England it wouldn't have been impossible to return there to a convent or similar. Saying that I think that you're absolutely correct about the strength of her character. A true warrior Queen.

@archervine8064

3 жыл бұрын

I think many of us do, in part because so many Tudor dramas/novels/etc. start when their marriage is failing and even many histories - with the benefit of hindsight - put weight on some of the earlier problems which would have been entirely forgotten by history if she’d had a son and reigned until her or Henry’s death

@crazywanch101

3 жыл бұрын

@@NCKrypotonite33 I had no idea, wow...

@hogwashmcturnip8930

3 жыл бұрын

It's more complicated.You need to get a full grounding on the political and religious machinations going on. For instance the Pope was effectively Charles Vth prisoner, so he wasn't going to upset the applecart, there would likely have been wars and people had different political alliances all the time. They shifted like the wind,depending on what they stood to gain. No different to Modern politics in a way. Katherine was always a bargaining chip. As were all Royal daughters. She was a pretty lowly one.By the time of her divorce Spain had nothing to gain from her. The political landscape had shifted and demanding her back wasn't worth the strop.Beside,she would not have gone! In her mind she was Queen of England, not Abbess fodder in some Spanish Convent. It is this intrasigence that led to a lot of grief.As Kat said, she and Mary could have lived comfortably for the rest of their days, just like Anne of Cleeves did, if she hadn't been so stuck in her religion. I don't find her particularly inspiring,any more than I do her parents. Religious fanatics who caused countless suffering and death. I know that is a modern take, but that is what they did. With that parentage it is hardly surprising that Katherine could not 'think out of the box' By the way, another reason that Henry VII hung onto her for so long and left the 'betrothal' dangling was because he would have had to return her dowry with her. .As a skint miser,he could not bring himself to do that! So he kept her isolated in penury instead. It's a 'what if?' 'What if they had sent her back to Spain and she had been married off to some wealthy Duke or minor Catholic king who shared her devoutness? She may have borne him many sons and everyone wouldhave been a lot happier! Lol

As an actress, her courtroom speech to Henry is one of my favorite monologues from Shakespeare. He did not stray far from her real speech in its eloquence and poignant tone.

I'm so glad that you didn't skip over the years between Arthur and Henry

Katherine is my favourite historical character. Her fortitude and sheer bloody mindedness were true forces of nature,. Fascinating video. Thank you!

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

agreed!

@maxalvarest3860

4 ай бұрын

Same

Tough woman. I have a recommendation: Can you present the story of Bessie to us?

@crazywanch101

3 жыл бұрын

Bump Awesome idea

@jessi5872

3 жыл бұрын

@@crazywanch101 Just commenting to say how much I love your KZread handle. It brightened up my morning!

@EverTheTwain

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessi5872 it is good

@Author.Noelle.Alexandria

3 жыл бұрын

There is very, very little known about her other than the names of her parents and that her father was a servant. Knowing her mother's name is actually kind of a big deal considering how we don't even know it Anne or Mary was older. Unfortunately, there isn't much to tell about Bessie because of this.

I too have sometimes wondered what would have happened had she surrendered, like Anne of Cleves, and like her, might have enjoyed a comfortable and respected life, perhaps even as one of Henry's inner circle due to his respect for her attainments and intellect. But that would have been a very different Katherine.

@avantibev5814

3 жыл бұрын

Since I share Katherine's Faith and Church, I can explain. We are taught that this life on Earth is a gift from God but gifts can be misused. If we place comfort or worldly riches above truth, faith, love, and the Commandments, we imperil our immortal soul.

@SallyWallach

3 жыл бұрын

@@avantibev5814 But, the only reason an annulment, something that would be completely in alignment with Katherine's faith, was not granted was that she opposed it. Had she not--see Dr. Kat's example of Eleanor and Louis of France--an annulment would surely have been granted. No mortal soul imperilment at all.

@MsLJK85

3 жыл бұрын

Or at least to retreated back to Spain, trading the miserable wet weather and bad health she suffered in her castle in England for the gorgeous Alhambra, her childhood home.

@rany6542

3 жыл бұрын

Admire Katherine but learn from Anne of Cleves

@LilyGarden528

3 жыл бұрын

If she would have accept the annulment there would have always been those whispers and rumors that the annulment confirmed she had lied all those years. That she and Arthur had fully consummated their marriage. Her image as a queen of pure and unadulterated faith would have thrown away and history would have viewed her as a liar. A impoverished scheming princess who lied and cheated to trick a king into marrying her. She knew this. A daughter of the Catholic monarchs was raised around such politics. She knew as well if she did so Mary's marriage value would go down to nothing. The heir to the English throne gets a lot better offers than an illegitimate removed heir. Sad to say but that's how it was

Katherine has always fascinated me. She grew up in the beautiful surroundings of the Alhambra Palace, in the women’s section with running water, etc., and then goes to cold, wet England where is is married to Arthur and shipped to Wales. She has amazing resilience during her window hood and subsequent marriage - as you say, a true warrior queen. Sign up for the channel and watch the Spanish Princess - there is obviously poetic license in the series, but the Katherine they portray is a strong determined woman. I think you’ll enjoy

So interesting Dr Kat. Catherine of Aragon was brave, and Henry VIII and his reputation suffered for it to this day.

@gemmaallen7734

3 жыл бұрын

Me too Jenny. She had such a will of iron to hold out so bravely x

@ARISUinW0NDERLAND

3 жыл бұрын

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@scarletpimpernelagain9124

3 жыл бұрын

I’m no fan of Henry’s believing his accident left him brain damaged and dangerously so but let’s remember he had the fate of an entire nation on his shoulders.

I loved the Spanish Princess as a modern piece of drama that of course has lots of holes an inaccuracies. But I loved how it portrayed Catherine as feisty and showed her fighting on so many different levels.

@toxicginger9936

Жыл бұрын

I love The Spanish Princess too! But yeah... inaccuracies abound.

I'd love for you to make a video about Catherine de Medici.

@ismata3274

3 жыл бұрын

Yes yes yes yes yes yes.....

@TheMogregory

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! Me too

@lynnedelacy2841

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and Lucretia Borza

@bluebellthesecond8353

3 жыл бұрын

Love Dr Kats channel and I would also like a video about Catherine de Medici

@annecannon1947

3 жыл бұрын

Yes please!

Henry VIII didn’t know who he married. He truly didn’t.

@teacheronthego291

2 жыл бұрын

He married a daughter of the kings.

@romeosantos9006

Жыл бұрын

Henry did not expect that a small, pious, seemingly innocuous woman would have stood up to him to wage a war. In fact, that woman was virtually all alone in a foreign land. He genuinely feared Catherine, whom he believed was every inch like her mother, the warrior-queen Isabella, and whom he imagined would lead an army in the battlefield against him. Catherine, after all, was a tenacious Spaniard, gifted with a latent fire burning deep in her heart. and with an iron will, as sharp as a Toledo sword. Like a true daughter of Isabella, Catherine never wavered - she won the war against Henry.

I can understand why she fought for her position. She was the Queen who's only issue was the inability to produce the King a son ( no fault of hers of course). I don't blame her at all for fighting for her crown of that of her daughters.

@darrylclark563

3 жыл бұрын

What is often forgotten is she and Henry did have a son who lived two months or so. I realize he died in infancy, but history glosses over this child in the claim of Henry’s that the marriage produced no male heirs.

@NCKrypotonite33

3 жыл бұрын

@@darrylclark563 Exactly. And she had another one who was still born....which of course was no fault of her own.

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! I love her

@katestevens4606

3 жыл бұрын

@@NCKrypotonite33 and another one that died very shortly after birth (1513)

@VanefromUruguay

3 жыл бұрын

To me, she tried hard to change the son-king rule from the British monarchy being herself an excellent example of ruling and because in Spain women ruled, as did her mother way before getting married.

This was such an interesting piece. I am reminded of a comment you, Dr. Kat, made while discussing the women who were slain by Jack the Ripper. As I recall, you talked about the fact the the criminal is the centre of the story, while the women are virtually nameless. It is something the same with Henry VII’s wives. Although they are not nameless, they seem to be cast as two-dimensional characters. Thank you for bringing these women to light and life. Would men who had played such significant roles in history be virtual supporting characters if roles were reversed?

@KatTheScribe

3 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍👍

@EverTheTwain

3 жыл бұрын

the men were significant because their women empowered them

@laurenhatt4400

2 жыл бұрын

I would really recommend the book The Five by Hallie Rubenhold, she wrote about the lives of the women killed by Jack the Ripper and it's truly so interesting to learn about these women & the lives they had, rather than their final, tragic moments.

@nobodysbaby5048

Жыл бұрын

Henry 7 or 8? Can't believe no one else saw that.

You make history SOOOOOO much more real and interesting. Thank you! 😊

She was too good for him, ha!! His need for a son took on abnormal proportions and the irony is Elizabeth was a great monarch after all that he did, sigh. Thank you Dr. Kat for bringing Catherine to life as she deserves, keep well❣️

@cjayj442

3 жыл бұрын

It's probably because of her upbringing that she was a great monarch. She learned to bend and not break and to give others the same option, when possible. If she had married, her husband would've had a lot of input in what decisions she made as a monarch. Or maybe made the decisions for her. Could be a totally different England/world right now (could've lost to the Spanish Armada, no Sir Walter Raleigh colonizing America, etc) if her father hadn't been such a bast***. One never knows how our childhood will shape us.

The Spanish princess is a good show although like many other shows it does take some historical license. For example, portraying Katherine riding into battle in full armor five months pregnant swinging a sword. While she was instrumental in the decision making for the battle, she did not actually fight

@daughteroftime8047

3 жыл бұрын

That armor made me cringe SO hard! If I would have seen it to begin with, I never would've watched the first episode. I enjoyed the Tudors and reign, even the white queen/princess, but the liberties they've taken with the Spanish Princess are just flat out absurd. It's honestly heartbreaking because I would love for them to tell Katherine's story and do it justice.

Thank you, you placed Katherine in historical context for me. I feel she was justified in not quietly slipping away into obscurity; the Tudors treated her shabbily.

@speedy806

3 жыл бұрын

From what I have heard is that most adaptations of Henry viii or his six wives Catherine is always showed as this wife Henry hates and is trying to get rid of just the preamble to Anne Boleyn not focusing on Catherine and only Anne and I don’t think that’s fair as much as I like Anne’s story

@TessDurbeyfield

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. In The Tudors she’s displayed as being fairly pathetic, and her rich history is glossed over. I’m not a huge fan of the casting either, as the actress is about 13 years older than Jonathan Rhys Meyers. She looks like his aunt, not his wife. It’s all wrong. I realise she was older than he was (and Anne Boleyn), but the age gap was five years. Anyway. Love Dr Kat’s video ❤️

@hogwashmcturnip8930

3 жыл бұрын

@@TessDurbeyfield The Tudors is fiction? It's couch potato bait. If you are interested in history you owe it to yourself to learn it properly.I am sure you are worth more than couchbait fodder

@TessDurbeyfield

3 жыл бұрын

@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Did you actually bother to read what I wrote? I just excoriated the show for its inaccuracy. Your comment makes zero sense in reply to me.

@hogwashmcturnip8930

3 жыл бұрын

@@TessDurbeyfield Ooh Excoriated! Now there is a woody word! How much googling did it take for you to come up with that one? Or are you the Queen of Spelling Bees? I think maybe you should re read what I wrote, as I am actually agreeing with you? A little less time with a dictionary and more time actually communicating with living beings may be in order?

Finally another type of analysis that doesn't involve Henry VIII as much!

Yeah!!! So glad you dived into Katerine of Aragon. This was fabulous, once again you explore the other sides and other stories of historical figures. She had a robust and interesting life. She is always referred to as Henry's VII first wife, and those last years as queen. Treated like a footnote to the larger tale. Thanks for being such a thorough historian and women advocate. You have helped empower the women of the past.

@lisw85

3 жыл бұрын

Have you read Philippa Gregory's books? Would love your take on the figures.

Fantastic! Her sister Juana had a very, very interesting life too. She was bullied and betrayed by her dad, husband and son. She was not mad alt all as you mentioned here.

@jennyp4934

3 жыл бұрын

Yes her life was incredibly sad. And her family treated her so badly.

I love the title "Warrior Queen". Thank you Dr Kat, for the enlightening portrayal. She did get short shrift by history...as too often happens.

This is a wonderful approach to this forgotten Queen, thank you! Catalina de Aragon was educated also by Beatriz Gallindo, La Latina, the girl/woman who studied Latin in the University of Salamanca! Isabel took her out of the convent thinking she would make a better use merrying her and placing near the court so that she could teach the royal children. So she taught Latin as a woman master, in the royal court! What an amazing exaple of strong woman, apart from her mother, Katherine was surrounded by. When Betriz became a widow, she turned out to be a really self-determined woman, she founded a hospital for people who needed help, just for the people from the neighborhood. The hospital didn´t survive till today, but when you go to Madrid, you may happen to get off at La Latina metro station, this is where Beatriz, La Latina lived, the teacher of Katherine, the English Queen.

@amythestjasmine3749

9 ай бұрын

Hi. My names Amy. My best friend is Henry the 8th. He's very friendly to Catherine in my opinion. Not to brag.

The show is based on a P. Gregory novel. It’s historical fiction and the historical part is there were real people with those names. If you go into it with low expectations you might not be disappointed.

@Author.Noelle.Alexandria

3 жыл бұрын

Gregory does know the actual history, but has stated that when it comes to making a cohesive story, decisions have to be made. It's a loose general outline with lots of fabricated details to fill in the plot holes. I like to read her books as a way to challenge myself to spot what's incorrect.

@jennyp4934

3 жыл бұрын

@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria that's an interesting way to think of it. I haven't read any of her books as I like to have accuracy but you've made me think again.

My favourite of the six queens, followed by Anne of Cleves and Katherine Parr. I often wondered what would have happened if she had had a son that survived. Her only failure as a wife was not being able to achieve this. I love that you give her the respect that I think she deserved.

I think Katerine of Aragon has been, to my opinion, a marvellous medieval queen, a type "A" queen .

I have really respected and liked Katherine of Aragon every since I have gotten her true story from scholars like yourself All I knew about her was from novels, movies, and television. She is always depicted as a hard old wife to the lovely Anne Boleyn as well as others. She is always dark and moody never the wife she was in her youth. Thank you for clearing this up for us. Please continue to clear up so much misinformation about the people of history

Honestly, I find catherine fascinating and henry viii a jerk, womanizer and weak. Henry viii made me really wary of getting married hahaha

@mateuszzielonka9007

3 жыл бұрын

I find her the opposite a jerk who goes around, after her divorce insisting that she is the legitimate queen of england. She may not like the divorce but she should've moved on

@alicianieto2822

3 жыл бұрын

I suspect Elizabeth I felt the same way XD

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I admire her so much

@Author.Noelle.Alexandria

3 жыл бұрын

Keep in mind that, for the era, kings were expected to have mistresses, and he actually had very, comparatively speaking, and he was under outrageous pressure to have a legitimized son. That kind of pressure would have been awful. Marriages and sex were entirely about that male bloodline. Love within a marriage was odd, and it was sheer luck that they had it. I don't think Henry should make you wary of marriage itself, but the unfair burden put on people should. Had the pressure not have been there, a pressure that all but deemed him a failure in the eyes of a country he was supposed to leave with an heir, I bet they'd have lived happily together until she died.

@alicianieto2822

3 жыл бұрын

@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria Having mistresses was normal. having mistresses in court and openly, less so; having mistresses get precedence over your queen was absolutely outrageous and divorce was unthinkable. This isn´t Versailles yet and most of what he did was not acceptable. Our modern standards see the random sleeping around and the "second wife in court" situation as more similar than people did back then. No to mention that "expected in a cynical sense", "common", "normalized" and "accepted" aren´t the same. Thing about modern politicians having mistresses or being corrupt, for example.

Thank you so much for explaining this History. I’ve been studying a lot the Tudor histories and there is still more for me to learn however, it’s such a shame that Queen Catherine was treated so poorly for which she did not deserve that. She was an exceptional intelligent woman and to this day she is still being given great honor and tribute for who she was. May God bless Her soul. ❤🕊️🌸

Wow! Katherine is my favorite English Queen. Thank you for a brief biography of this formidable and courageous woman. The person who really irks me is Henry VII. Loathsome behavior and a loathsome man.

@katestevens4606

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I have been looking forward to this one since you said you would “read” her!

I admit I was shocked to hear, for the first time, that Henry had a legal "out" if he got his annulment from Katharine and that their daughter Mary would Not automatically be declared a bastard. In everything I've ever read that was Katharine's reason for fighting the annulment. Is it possible that she was that stubborn and almost literally shot herself in the foot? Was she so determined to be a martyr? But perhaps she was never offered that as a solution and once she defied Henry her goose was cooked, so to speak. Shines a whole new light on this. Thanks for that.

@90sHONEY

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest I always thought KoA was just way too stubborn and ruined her own life with it. I (and I say this as an Anne Boleyn fan) completely understand her reaction, but it wasn't really wise. She could have lived a much better life after Henry. Look at Anne of Cleves. She did it right and had a good time at court.

@scarletpimpernelagain9124

3 жыл бұрын

@@90sHONEY yes me too.

@daughteroftime8047

3 жыл бұрын

She would have known it was an option for Mary. Henry's sister Margaret had an annulment and her daughter Margaret Douglas remained legitimate as the pope considered her mother's marriage to have been made in good faith. So Katherine absolutely would have had this example and I don't know of any reason that it wouldn't have been an option for her. I think she probably just felt that her marriage was legitimate, so she wouldn't agree to any form of annulment. It also didn't help that her stubbornness had served her well before when Arthur died so she probably assumed that it would again.

@EverTheTwain

3 жыл бұрын

@@daughteroftime8047 She had to be an example for her daughter. Her choice was to be faithful to her motherhood, not take a "deal" from a betraying tyrannical psychopath

@susanc4622

3 жыл бұрын

@@daughteroftime8047 Yes. Henry wanted her to say she had lied all those years ago when she had said her marriage to Arthur was not consummated. Maybe, she had told the truth and would not say otherwise.

I say yes to the reaction!!! But before you do Spanish Princess, please do White Queen (A good portion of the war of the Roses), White Princess (covers most of Henry IIV and Elizabeth of York’s life), then Spanish Princess.

Thank you so much ! Katharine of Aragon is my idol!

The Spanish Princess is NOT very good... but I'd definitely watch you reacting to it. It's very in line with "Reign" style re-imagining of historical events.

@Leno323

3 жыл бұрын

It’s actually very good. Why do people worry about that historical accuracy as if it’s not meant for TV? Lol geez it’s TV not history class. If you want boring & mundane historical facts then go to a library lol.

@mirandapontarelli5485

3 жыл бұрын

@@Leno323 I didn't go very far in depth in my comment, but now I feel like you're asking me for my review of the show... and also being kinda rude about it, so I won't mince words. I'm not really worried about historical accuracy. I really enjoyed and was entertained by "Reign" and "The Tudors" and knew it was 90% fiction. I don't like "The Spanish Princess" because the lead actress' HORRENDOUS Spanish accent is HORRENDOUS and distracting. They could have hired a more talented actress who was either A. from Spain or B. better at accents. Every other actor on that show is acting circles around her. I also didn't get the point of making her character love everything Islamic about Spain (The Alhambra, the bath houses, etc.) and yet be totally ignorant of what her parents were doing to Muslims. That was a weird choice that absolved her character of any responsibility or need to for growth, understanding, and accountability. What message is that sending? You can love it. I can not love it. You will see several comments saying it's enjoyable... and I didn't comment on any of them insinuating that their opinions were wrong, bad, dumb, etc. Go agree with them instead of disagreeing with me 🤷‍♀️

@Leno323

3 жыл бұрын

@@mirandapontarelli5485 ITS A TV SHOW. WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH? Find something to do love lol.

@mirandapontarelli5485

3 жыл бұрын

@@Leno323 why do you care so much about my opinion on a show? Does my opinion affect you in any way? Leave me alone!

@hogwashmcturnip8930

3 жыл бұрын

@@Leno323 I think the issue is that many people believe it?I have read comments from people quoting the script and incidents in various tacky tv shows as if they actually happened and they get very upset if you say that they didn't. The TV companies have a responsibility to ensure what they do is accurate, as does any writer, and if it isn't it should be made very clear it is FICTION. What is wrong with them simply changing all the names? They won't do that,because it will no longer have the drawing power.Who wants to read or watch Bubba the first and his wives, Kayley, Aggie, Mary Lou, Becky, Daisy and Sue Ellen?

The Tudors have always been a huge part of my life - I worked at Hampton Court Palace in 2014 and my fiance worked there for 12 years. Thank you so much for bringing life to these women who are often overlooked or forgotten about - they're so much more than "the 6 wives." your channel is a real treasure and you're such a delight to watch/listen to!

@nobodysbaby5048

Жыл бұрын

I loved the Katherine portrayed in The Tudors series.

Very helpful! Thank you for throwing light on this much maligned queen.

Thank you! Such a different view of her than is seen in movies; so many historical women have been reduced to shadows of themselves and I've always thought she was one of them. You brought her back to life; she seems much more real to me now. btw--Just wondering...have you ever considered portraying her? I loved your Tudor pirate, but when you put up that side by side of you speaking and the the portrait of Katherine, I thought, hey....you two related or something?

Never been this early for a video in my KZread life ❤️

@shabraethompson

3 жыл бұрын

Same haha

@Sarina_Dear

3 жыл бұрын

I almost squee’d when I got the notification! I have been looking forward to this one so much

@justanothernicole

3 жыл бұрын

Hahaha same, I love Katherine of Aragon!

@yanaloisevans5302

3 жыл бұрын

Same here!🙂

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

@@justanothernicole same!

Thank you for this video! I learned so much about Katherine that I’d never heard before! I hated to see it end! Can’t wait for your next video!

The treatment she suffered under the control of her father in law was a chilling foretelling of how her husband would treat her years later.

I am quite impressed by Katherine. She was strong, courageous, she endured many torment. Thinking of her youth I cannot forget she was the daughter of Isabella and Ferdinand of the Spanish inquisition reputation. She certainly had a very strict, very pious education. Divorce was a big no no, annulment ? after so many pregnancies and so many years of marriage ..... Any way it was refused by the pope. That was a line that could not be crossed. Could she have marry again? Not if what I believe is true. Her faith would not have let her do so. With a husband living it would not have been recognized by Rome. She could not. She lived true to her belief, true to herself. Much to be admired. Thank you for this video. Very interesting

@annel736

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.💚

[regarding the Spanish Princess] ‘Do you want me to sign up and stream my reactions to the first episode?’ Before you said it I hadn’t even thought of it, but now you say it YES. Also thanks for another very informative video!!

I love the Spanish Princess. Yes, please. I'd love a reaction video. The series is worth it.

@mattquintana7814

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a good show no doubt but incredibly dramatized and they writer take a lot of creative license with the history of it all.

@gloriabrown6403

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattquintana7814 Every series takes liberties. I still like it.

I did go to Peterborough has it not far from me in Leicester and I did leave her a pomegranate 2 years ago .

You’ve def made Katherine come alive for me. I always kind of rooted for Anne, and still do. But I have as of late come to realize what a badass woman Katherine also was. You always do that for me, bring alive the people you profile. Have you seen or heard the newish musical Six?? I love the music and it’s a 🔥 musical play, however it does tend to exaggerate or play into the more salacious rumors of the wives lives. I’d love to see you do a comprehensive breakdown of it and each wife’s solo song. Thanks again for a truly wonderful and informative video.

@percysowner

3 жыл бұрын

Henry did seem to be attracted to badass women Katherine of Aragon, Anne Boylen, Katherine Parr. Jane Seymore didn't live long enough for us to judge. Henry didn't really pick Anne of Cleaves, so whatever her capacity to be a badass, Henry neither knew or cared. Katherine Howard was an old man wanting to prove he was a young man and doing what many, many old, rich, powerful men do, he picked a trophy wife.

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

@@percysowner true

@nobodysbaby5048

Жыл бұрын

Two magnificent womens' lives sacrificed to a psychopath.

So many details that are not usually presented about Katherine of Aragon. As a novice of history, what I knew for the most part was she was Henry's first wife, she was cast aside when he wished to marry someone else. I knew she had not been able to produce a son for Henry, and that only one of their children survived, Mary of course. I was not aware of how fascinating her early life was, her upbringing, her bloodlines, her strengths. The hardships she had endured, the triumphs and disappointments, and ultimately her refusal to agree with Henry's terms, along with the consequences of that choice. As other comments have pointed out, you have a gift of bringing these historical figures to life in a way that helps us understand they were real people. They lived long ago but their lives were real, and complicated. Always appreciate your videos Dr. Kat!

This is exactly what I needed to motivate me to finish up my projects before the weekend! 💜

So stocked for this video!

This is the episode I've been waiting for! Thanks!!

This brings tears to my eyes...

Thank you, enjoyed this very much🌺

Thank you so much for the video, I truly enjoyed it 😊

Great content as always !

Lovely video. Catherine of Aragon is one of my favorite historical figures from Tudor England. One thing I always wonder about is why when her marriage to Arthur arranged so young and rather stable as those situation ever were her parents didn't make sure she at least learned a decent amount of English before leaving Spain. Catherine was obviously very bright with how she learned Latin so well, so I can't believe it was a ability issue. Her parents gave all of there children particularly their daughters for the time a solid education so seems like an odd decision. As for why she didn't give in, I think it fundamentally came down to religious devotion. The Pope had said their marriage was valid until he said otherwise it was in her mind. Additionally, having grown up around her strong female leaders and being one herself I think she took issue with the idea of Mary being passed over even if she remained legitimate, because she believed it was God's will Mary rule. After Matilda and the War of Roses the English had an phobia around female leadership that was rather extreme even for the time period.

@katestevens4606

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed!

I really enjoyed this episode! Thank you.

I just want to say that I love your channel. So informative and enjoyable and I love how you include people and topics that are lesser known.

Thank you Dr. Kat! I’ve been anticipating this video for so long! I hope you and your family are all well❤️

I absolutely LOVE Dr.Kat’s Video’s !! 🥰

What a long time to wait in Widowhood; I never knew that. Then to be discarded in such a way. Poor lady.

Dr.Kat, as always so very informative and thought provoking. Thanks for another wonderful video! And as always give that little man loves from us!!!

As always Dr Kat Brilliant Thank you

This was wonderful and deeply fascinating.

One of your BEST YET, Dr. Kat!

Good job as always Dr. Kat

Yay! New video from Dr Kat - evening is now sorted!

Another great video! Thanks 😊

I’m excited to watch this!

One of my favourite Tudor figures. Wonderful video, Dr Kat!

Thank you for the accurate info. I really appreciate hearing about what happened in the past to the best of our knowledge.

Poor woman! Katherine was a remarkable woman and was too good for Henry! The Spanish Princess is a good show, but they changed a lot of things...

@student05-bdes52

3 жыл бұрын

definitely

Really love your videos. Catherine was a remarkable woman. The more I have re read about this era while expanding my horizons over other eras, the more respect I gain for her.

Your videos are always good. Thank you.

Love your content:)

Another fantastic video Dr. Kat ❤

Another fascinating video. I was unaware of Katherine’s upbringing. This information clarifies a lot! Thank you!

I love your style of presentation, many thanks. Still subbed.

So perhaps Juana wasn’t “mad”? Let’s hear more about that, please!

@hogwashmcturnip8930

3 жыл бұрын

Juana definitely was Not mad. She was used and abused by her husband, father and son. But mad? Nope! Read her story. Ask the people in the places she was imprisoned, especially Tordesillas and I am reliably informed that she is seen as almost a martyr. Not something I have discussed with many Spanish people ,but all of them I have spoken with see her as a victim in a power game, just as many see Anne Boleyn in the UK. Juana is rather more 'innocent' than Anne, from the point of view that she was born into it and had no choice.

@kaybrown4010

3 жыл бұрын

@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Thanks! I definitely will take a closer look at Juana.

Yay! Thank you for finally featuring KOA.

Thank you for educating on the era of Catherine’s life about which we we hear and know so little. I hope you will be sharing a Catherine of Aragon part II soon. I would so love to hear your take on the later years of her life, as well.

Great video as usual. Thanks😷

Always fabulous. Wonderful speaker.

I love your videos!! I live in America but my ancestors are from greater London. I love learning about their era and time!! You do it so gracefully and so thoroughly!

I love history and your lectures are top - shelf! Your knowlege and the way you transfer it is remarkable. Thank you😊

This is the very first video of yours I have watched. I loved it so much. The details, facts, story telling, pictures, everything was executed brilliantly. I have subscribed and I look forward catching up with this excellent content. Thank you, and best wishes for a continued successful new year with your channel x

Thanks for the video.Katherine was indeed a warrior, as her mother was. But I also think it's worth mentioning that her religion may have played a strong role in her opposition to the divorce. Her mother, Isabella, has been credited with starting the Spanish Inquisition. I think it's likely that Kathrine was raised in a home environment where the care of the soul took precedence over politics.

Thanks, Dr Kat for those beautiful words for Katherine of Aragon.

Thank you Queen Dr.Kat 👑👸🏻

hi dear dr Kat you are simply great! you open people's eyes and minds! you are not simply reading the past for us, but bringing it alive !! your videos are much more than enjoyable!! thank you so much!! LOL from Italy!!

Thank you so much for this discussion. I am a fan of the series the Spanish Princess. You put an historical context to it that helps and you tell it with more drama and passion than could ever be done on television. I am intrigued by Katherine because of the difficulties throughout her life but I feel that she personifies a true queen. Thank you again for bringing us this episode.

Hi Dr. Kat! I was avidly listening to your video, when I noticed you have The Tudor Tailor on your bookshelf! As a historical re-enactor I love reading those kinds of books, and it made me ridiculously excited to see you have that book too!