I find it fun that Andrews is able to cite a study to proof her point, but Smurthwaite is citing personal opinion.

@Edbrad

9 жыл бұрын

You're wrong, she's only clutching to her feelings. :)

@DangerGnu

9 жыл бұрын

Wage gap on average ---> must be sexism. Is this the kind of "own interpretation of data" you expect from someone with academic background let alone a degree in statistics? Your argument from authority kind of fails in that regard ...

@retipserjayzoom

5 жыл бұрын

given her abilities, kate would be paid less always...

@timhiggins6212

4 жыл бұрын

@@retipserjayzoom Looking at her now on Sky news - Kate Andrews she's the economics correspondent at The Spectator Didn't she do well for herself.

@thepossessor

3 жыл бұрын

That's because the only thing that matters now is your FEELINGS!

"Stick and stone may break my bone but there will always be something to offend a feminist": Peter Llyod🤣

@GolfingInParadise783

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 genius that was

So frustrating to watch. Andrews is clearly more knowledgable, and Smurthwaite just comes off as a loon--and yet somehow they find themselves in a serious debate about an issue. Why is Smurthwaite's opinion on this issue being given airtime when she's so obviously full of hooey? On the other hand, nothing discredits a feminist more effectively than allowing that feminist to open her mouth.

@Xgckl

9 жыл бұрын

Andrews has actual credentials on the topic while Smurthwaite's only reason to be there is her popularity and feminist activism. It reminds me of a debate between creationists and their opponents where only one side has actual scientific backup. Or, more on topic, the TV discussion back in the day between Esther Vilar and Alice Schwarzer, where people later couldn't decide whether the person accusing her female German-Argentinian Jewish opponent whose parents fled from Nazi Germany of depicting women in her book like articles in the Stürmer would depict Jews was making equally or even more valid arguments. And I couldn't help but notice how Smurthwaite hardly let Andrews speak and had to repeatedly interrupted. I think people find it so hard to swallow the wage gap not being the product of direct sexism is because we assume women to be acted upon, not actors like they actually are in our economy. That's why we need to focus on the actual societal influences that actually lead women to act this way, which is still fitting within our view of women.

@jamesfeisley2810

9 жыл бұрын

And remove all doubt!

@fdmarminy

9 жыл бұрын

karen straughan There's a reason why she's a comedian... Her Feminist views are laughable!

@user-lw8qy8kj7c

9 жыл бұрын

Xgckl > Smurthwaite's only reason to be there is her popularity I live in the UK and have never heard of her outside of feminist debates. EDIT actually, now that I think about it, I also heard that she was going to do a performance at goldsmith's university about free speech. It had to be cancelled because some members of the university's feminist society protested against it.

@kingBenTheBadger

8 жыл бұрын

+DP Trumann I saw her live, in a tiny room above a pub... all she did was go on about debates she was in

I know I’m late but... If the 81 cents to a dollar is that serious, wouldn’t private companies just hire women to save millions of dollars over the year?

@BreezeeGreenz

2 жыл бұрын

Many people have said that. As an employer, I know I would.

So women should basically be able to come and go from the workplace at their convience and make just about the same or more than their male counterparts?

Thank you Ms Andrews. You rightly pointed out the figures she was using were extremely misleading. Her response to your own statistic on women in their 20 and 30's: "that's just not true". She came across as a stereotypical lunatic feminist, it was like something out of a film honestly.

@thepossessor

3 жыл бұрын

The feminazis screech and yell about misogyny yet they're perfectly fine with misandry

Seriously? They brought a comedian to defend the gender pay myth? This is a new low for the left

@retipserjayzoom

5 жыл бұрын

No.that's part of the comedy :D

@epicdjyoshi648

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe she was trying to be funny by joking that it does exist?

@nickhowell1308

4 жыл бұрын

“comedian” they didn’t sound funny to me, more like an old stubborn lady

@thepossessor

3 жыл бұрын

@@nickhowell1308 She's a misandrist

@stevenrichardson3000

Жыл бұрын

Kind of makes sense. Does anyone with two operating brain cells believe you can take a gender pay gap seriously? So why not...send in the clowns.

As Jordan Peterson said, and I'm quoting here, as societies become more egalitarian i.e Scandinavian countries, the gap becomes wider.

@antwnhs213

3 жыл бұрын

True. Some women will choose to work more than 8 hours,weekends and struggle to be more productive and competitive,but it's mostly men that do these things. Noone is telling women they can't work on Sundays or 12 hour shifts,they mostly choose not to. How can they demand to be paid the same? It's all about choices and i don't see any problem with it.

Kate Smurthwaite apparently identifies as a comedian.

@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186

5 жыл бұрын

Which is like a man identifying as a trans-woman: everybody knows it's a lie

@LiViro1

5 жыл бұрын

@@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186 Often, but not always. Some people actually have a "messed up gender system" from birth, and you should be happy if you're well defined from the get go. But yeah, a lot of those activists get on my nerves.

@thepossessor

3 жыл бұрын

@@LiViro1 you mean gender dysphoria?

@gideonros2705

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@fredfredburger5150

3 жыл бұрын

Well her opinions are a joke.

'You're citing studies and comparing very specific occupations (ie. doing economics) whilst I'm looking at the gap overall and shouting SEXISM!!' is basically what Smurthwaite said.

Taller men earn more than short men. WE must close the gap!!!!

Sorry to interrupt you but you are making good points and we need to stop that.

Based Kate Andrews- 1 Biased Kate Smurf- 0

I would argue that Kate Smurthwaite is holding women back.

@thepossessor

3 жыл бұрын

She's full of it

@samsmith8870

3 жыл бұрын

Yea, that's so hard about making a sandwich?

I know which of these two women I would hire and promote and which one I would turn away or fire. Both of them have strong personalities. Both of them can speak up. Only one of them is rational and fair-minded.

@BreezeeGreenz

2 жыл бұрын

Yup.

@GolfingInParadise783

11 ай бұрын

Kate would cause problems, accuse men of SA… all whilst doing less work than the ships cat.. avoid like the plague

Note: "Women EARN less", not paid less. As Andrews states "women aged between 20 & 40, tend to earn on average 1.1% more than their male counterparts". So what is their to actually say about the gender wage gap?

@BreezeeGreenz

2 жыл бұрын

Right. It's an earnings gap, not a pay gap.

The host presents a debate - "Are women paid less"? And begins by saying, "We KNOW women ARE paid less, the facts are incontrovertible. The question I want you to answer is- is it fair to pay them less?" She then goes on to agree and side with Smurthwaite continually throughout, even arguing at one point with Andrews, even though she is supposed to impartial. The difference between Smurthwaite and Andrews is that Andrews presents a reasoned argument on the basis of evidence, context, and analysis, whereas Smurthwaite presents anecdotes, personal opinion, and a general feeling, which the biased host backs up. It is OBVIOUS that Andrews is the more intelligent, more reasonable person in the debate, and this is the kind of woman we need representing women.

@andrewarnoldin

11 ай бұрын

Yes…This!!!

Just observe one thing Calm composed and sensible vs Anger, frustration , shouting .

Smurthwait has a habit of telling people to let her finish, then interrupting them continuously. It's a sure sign of someone losing an argument.

Jennifer Lawrence was in that movie for 20 minutes and the other male co-stars were in it for 40 minutes. Amy Adams was paid less because shes not a bankable actor. Per unit of work Lawrence was actually better compensated than the male actors with 1 exception - Jeremy Renner, he was in the movie for 22 minutes, but received 9% like the other actors, therefore not only was he better compensated than Lawrence but also Cooper or Bale. Even ignoring this fact we can identify that it was not to do with sexism for this reason - the leaked emails themselves stated that those in the industry saw it as "a joke that Renner is paid more than Lawrence" and measured were taken to better compensate Lawrence. So how can this be cited as a case of sexism? Well easy, we just ignore all the facts I said, along with the fact that we don't even know what these actors were paid below the line. And what is this presenter talking about? American Hustle wasnt the 2nd biggest grossing film lol far from it.

You can see the "wtf is this shit?" on kate andrews face

If you are like Kate Smurthwaite, don't expect to be taken seriously.

@Anthony_Joseph09

Жыл бұрын

😹

The newscaster brought up a specific example, then the woman on the left screen said specific examples don't count when the argument started to go south on them. This is the problem with postmodern thinking: Persuade by any means necessary and bounce between macro/micro, empirical/rational/emotional to suit your ends.

@mitchjames9350

2 жыл бұрын

Dont forget move thr goal posts and talk over and interrupt continually while changing the question before the person can answer them.

Comedian?

@jonhartley7445

4 жыл бұрын

@Pablo Neruda whatever that link is, I doubt it's going to work in smurfs favour.

It's funny that the feminist said like "the pay gap is not about this one woman and comparing her to the next guy" yet she was the one who brought the thing about jeniffer lawrence, and when Kate told her that was stupid her comparison she said she wasnt comparing individually pls

@stepennwolf

8 жыл бұрын

Feminism

@enigmafan7131

7 жыл бұрын

3rd wave

@petermoncrieff8453

6 жыл бұрын

yourlogicalfallacyis.com/special-pleading

@millennialmindset3624

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that exact thing. That makes no sense.

How is she a comedian?

@davidwilson2680

5 жыл бұрын

Mighty Marouane Fellaini she’s not

@hotricky1976

5 жыл бұрын

She looks funny and she says jokes like reality.

@ohneso3891

5 жыл бұрын

her responses to interviews are the joke

@thomashardcastle7231

4 жыл бұрын

Quotas.

@michaelohwtf

4 жыл бұрын

Every time she speaks is a joke.

Sexism? What does this mean exactly? Why are men the only ones that can be accused of sexism? Why can't women be accused of this apparent crime? I personally think that women that think that they're the same as men are sexist against other women.

@jayholla7185

8 жыл бұрын

+Troy McRoberts How about the "cage gap"? Women receive 60% of the jail sentence men do for the same crime.

Of all the reasons why women earn less, the one concept I never hear from feminists is personal incentive. Do women on average have the same incentive to earn as men. In relationships women comparatively rarely marry below their pay grade, while men often do. Men have a greater incentive to earn, because women still see them as primary breadwinners. In the relationship CV, what a man does is high on the list. The converse is not true. Women have the luxury of choice, it is quite acceptable for them to engage in career stalling activities, it's not just children that allow them to do this, it can be a personal choice for a more socially active life. Whoa be the man who decides to make the same choice in many households, they have a duty that they must fulfil. So when the feminists say that there is sexism to be overcome, they need to be looking beyond child care for some of their answers. Men aren't afforded the same personal choice considerations, how many women will decide to work harder because the man wants a more fulfilling and balanced life for himself.

@jeffmilligan

9 жыл бұрын

Spot on.

@jamesfeisley2810

9 жыл бұрын

Hypergamy! Women refuse to marry below their status. Leaving them few males to chose from or "where have all the good men gone?" Women now prosper from having the right to chose parenthood. A right that most men don't have. Men are left with the choice of the women; what suites *her* needs. That's fine but not when women have it both ways. If she choses parenthood she needs to except the burden *without the males involvement*! Not having her cake a eat it too. With rights must come responsibles. Male reproductive rights should not be sex or no sex. When women have 14 choices of birth control! We all know women's dirty little secret of "the accidental" pregnancy to *trap* a man into what maybe Is best for only the women. Without any thought to the well-being of the child or the father. ONLY a woman possibly giving her mother that grandchild before the clock runs out. Woman were given freedom to chose their future with the advent of the "pill"; maybe 50 years later it's time for men??

@notevensurehowwegothere2620

9 жыл бұрын

magottyk Absolutely true, every man knows that he will work all of his life. Women have a choice. Men don't look to a partner to achieve their dreams, many women take a short cut and look at a man and his resources as getting her to her dreams quicker. They don't have the same incentive. For most women, it's a numbers game pure and simple. Men generally don't care how much the women makes or if she even has a job, yet women demand a man have a certain amount of assets before she will even talk to him.

@notevensurehowwegothere2620

9 жыл бұрын

James Feisley Absolutely correct. Women use men to raise their social status or increase their resources so that they can do more without having to work for it. Add to that they have a built in parachute because if the relationship fails, they just go get another man. Many women talk about love, but when it comes to marriage, it's all about money and what the man has to add to her.

@jayjaymck8256

2 жыл бұрын

Best feedback on the issue this one 💯

My wife earns more than me and works less hours which is great as l always have my tea ready and the house is tidy when l get in from the pub 😁

@TC_83

3 жыл бұрын

Ledge

@stkeeley

2 жыл бұрын

You sir, are a very bad man!😁

I worked my whole career as a chef and without starting WW3 I can honestly say most woman I've employed over the years have exceeded expectations in both workload and consistency. The pay gap just didnt exist and if anything the woman earned more.

Kate Andrews is being extremely charitable here, trying her hardest to find common ground with her counterpart. She 'admits' that it's a social problem if women stay home despite greater earning potential than their husbands. If a couple choose to bear the financial cost of the higher-earning wife staying home because they see it as better on balance, that is their prerogative.

Smurthwaite is my favourite feminist comedienne, unintentionally hilarious. Has no jokes, but her reasoning is jokes.

is this really a debate still

@Pseudify

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately yes because the feminists think ideology rules evidence.

@aidansevern3134

3 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough, they seem to have shut up about it

@k3630

3 жыл бұрын

And it still rages on. The level of stupidity is quite astounding. The lust for unearned power and wealth in these feminists is so ugly

@k3630

3 жыл бұрын

@@aidansevern3134 I dont thjnk they have. Check out all the female sports players complaining they ain't making the same

Unfortunately for Kate, even before the debate begins it’s clear the news person has chosen her side. You just can’t reason with irrational people

.......this is slowly restoring faith in women with every video I see of Kate. Nice to see not everyone of them is completely batshit insane.

She interrupted Kate and they yell "let me finish"... oh dear lord..

I worked at CNN when the 'pay inequity' story first came out. The people who did and published the study said right off the back that the pay disparity is not based on income earned, it was based on the level of education. Women are paid the same as men for doing the same job, it's just that women tend to be more educated in that they go to college in higher numbers and women get more degrees. As soon as they said that, CNN and other media outlets absolutely ignored the key premise of the study and said that women get paid less than men for doing the same job. In fact, in many of the jobs women take, like in the service industry, women tend to earn more than their male co-workers. Like so many of the Liberal Social Narratives, it's complete bullshit.

@joewilliams5278

2 жыл бұрын

The first part of this comment literally makes zero sense. You need to learn how to explain yourself better. Also, your grammar is terrible.

@fsaari

2 жыл бұрын

@@joewilliams5278 you poor thing....I had no problem understanding the point he was trying to make

Amazing that they can just convince people this is an arguement, It makes no sense whatsoever.

The more she talks the less you listen

Why aren't extras paid the same as the main actors in films? This is discrimination!!

I love how the talking forehead tries to pretend that she has a brain. 9:09 : Forehead girl acts like she found a weakness in her opponent's argument, when it was the host who set up the premise.

They say that Kate Smurthwaite is a horrible comedian but i disagree. She made plenty of jokes here that made me laugh.

Define "woman". Aren't we supposed to gender fluid on a spectrum now?! Funny how gender comes into sharp focus when it comes to getting paid.

So we've just watch kate slay a dragon with facts

Smurthwate earns Money as a "Comedian" Now that's Unfair.

7'40'': When facts and number meet with feelings and opinions...

If bosses paid women less why wouldnt companies just employ all women workforces?

I dont get how they expect to be paid the same for for doing half the work or why they deserve to get a promotion over the man who didn't take all the time away from from the job.

@robertcook117

2 жыл бұрын

That’s exactly what they want!

This debate would be like Adam Smith having a debate with the Court Jester on the benefits of capitalism.

You have never been told I don't want a woman in this role, that's impossible!

The average woman doesn't work shifts, doesn't lift, doesn't get wet, doesn't get dirty, doesn't like maths, doesn't solve problems and doesn't EARN that gap, that's the POINT, you're paid less because you DO less. Like Bill Burr stated "you better be standing right next to me listening to that guy play the Cello when the ship goes down!" Trouble is None of them are around when the Cello player begins to play let alone when the water comes in!

I believe we should actually go down this rabbit whole several companies have done an overview of what they pay their associates like google,us woman's soccer team and found out they were getting paid more than their male counterparts so all it'll have end up doing is lead the way for men to start sueing these companies for discrimination

OK then I, a man who earns 22k a year, working for a security company, wants an equal paid job to a female lawyer who's worked her arse off to obtain her degrees in law and criminal psychology. Do I have the brain to do her job, definitely not but there's a pay gap so make sure our salary is the same. 😎

This is why Joe Rogans got a bigger following then mainstream media because he actually takes the time to have an actual discussion instead of click bait arguments

So, Google, how's that pay gap going for you? Paying your men less than women in compliance of the law?

i come back from time to time to watch this. it is absolute mental punishment.

Andrew is an absolutely amazing analyst 🔥🔥👍

Wow, I think i want to marry Kate Andrews, what a brain

Why don't they just get on with it instead of pissing and moaning ,that's what holds them back. .

She said it's not about life choices so a janitor should get paid the same as a ceo?

Jennifer Lawrence and Amy Adams need new agents to negotiate better payouts

How does that Smurthwaite survive when she never takes a breath.

@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186

5 жыл бұрын

Her brain is so small that she doesn't need much oxygen for it

Why would a supporting role attract same as lead role?

Smuthwaite is embarrassing to watch.

She can't even do simple math 52 years and 44 years adds up to 96 not 100 which is a century. Maybe her work skills show math isn't her only problem?

Why do respectable news outlets keep inviting this insufferable Smurthwaite woman on?

Emotions verses logic!

The newscaster mention that when she started out in her job a man was getting paid more than her simply because he asked. what she did not mention is, how many years did he work there before she was hired and a raise was well deserved to ask for the raise.

Kate is humorously referred to as a Comedian.

Don't claim you want equality when all you're after is preferential treatment

Like pissing in the wind

Women's personality characteristics generally speaking do not align them to becoming obsessed with work and rising up hierarchies. On top of this- there is a deep instinct in women to seek men that make them feel safe- and a deep instinct in men to provide safety for his partner- a component of this is often in securing resources and status. You put both of these things together and everything we observe makes perfect sense.

The life time pay statistic also doesn't take into account that women live longer than men so they would be more likely to have longer in their retirement years than men which would make the "lifetime" pay gap wider.

@englishpayerofgermantaxes8186

5 жыл бұрын

We should be promoting equal life expectancy between men and women, and equal numbers in prisons and sentencing between men and women. This is important: a bit of wage gap here or there is relatively unimportant

Feminist activist and “comedian”

Wonder why the court system typically, statistically, favors women over men in child and domestic cases. Hmmm 🤔

Once a wise man said "Stick and stones may break my bones but there will be always something to offend a feminist"

Those poor unequal rich people with high salaries. If they were working for minimum wage like the rest of us they wouldn't have such problems or the time to think about them.

Excruciating.

it is between those with children and those without. a woman off for 12months maternity and comes back part time, cant compete with another woman who has had no time off and works full time, who can go away to meetings etc because she doesnt have a child to look after.

Men do harder more dangerous jobs. They never want to break down how they arrive at their conclusions.

Kate Andrews: Studies, research, and trend analysis Other one: Trust me bro!

"I don't want to live in a world where......" Well sounds like you've got a tough choice to make

When Universal Basic Income comes into the picture , we are gonna be hit by a second wave of such stupidity.

Her nose is so huge that it stretches the skin on her forehead down the bridge of her nose lol

Equal pay? Lay a brick.

How long did the woman on the right get to speak before interrupted as opposed to the one on the left can speak uninterrupted.

LOTR should sue her for impersonating gollum for personal profit.

Who cares what YOU want or what YOU believe.

"It's not about one woman..." then why are you debating Jennifer Lawrence?

Smurthwaite makes me glad I'm gay

'Women are paid less than men, that's incontrovertible', now that's an unbiased way to start a debate about the pay gap! If women were paid less then employers would exclusively hire women to boost their bottom line, now wouldn't they?

Kate A. > Kate S. :: Facts > Feelings. 😊

Calm down, both two.

WTF........bring a hack comedian to a debate on a "serious" issue???? Nice job ladies....

What a strange debate line-up.

The problem is that working class women get penalized at work for pregnancy and maternity leave. Society has to decide whether they want the population to have children or not and how they treat those who do.

We need to promote better salary based on merit/performance and not based on gender or sexuality or any other factors apart from and only performance. PS: most of my managers in 20 years of working in London were actually women NOT men. Some were aggressive and nasty some were lovely and welcoming. PpS: you can ask "whatever" to a company but certain questions are NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS (like one of my fellow female Polish workmate often says to people)..

An academic vs a comedian. Yeah, this went as expected. Whose idea was it though, to match them up?

"Is it that women are less intelligent, less capable less hard working? I don't believe it is true .....so what it must be ...sexual discrimination." This doesn't necessarily follow. Even if one is happy to grant you the statistics, you still haven't proven that the main reason for the pay gap is sexual discrimination. It's certainly a possibility but couldn't there also be other reasons for this phenomenon? Such as - choice of occupation - job seniority - working hours - length of leaves taken - job experience - willingness to travel for work - employee benefits- personal ambition/desire I am not saying that any of these are necessarily true. I just want to point out that they are possibilities. If you want to prove that the pay gap must be mainly cause by sexual discrimination, then you have the burden of proof. Not being paid equally doesn't necessarily mean not being paid fairly (some reasons above). I think we should be aiming for the latter not necessarily the former.

The feminist wanted to use certain groups when it supported her point but wanted the other young lady to use generalized stats!