I am so tired of people whining because someone else is successful and proud of their success. You're either an artist or a critic. There is no in-between. If you're an artist, you should invest your energy in your own art instead bashing someone else's. Otherwise, your life will continue to be a pathetic waste of time as you fester in your misery because someone made more money on their art than you did. Wah Wah Wah! You're wasting your time! Move on with your lives!

@codademarco2760

9 жыл бұрын

van gogh made no money, criticized everything, and died miserable and miserably, complaining about other artists and how much money they made -- would he then be a critic in your argument, and not an artist? was he "wasting his time"?

@winslowguerra

9 жыл бұрын

You have every right to criticize. I just think people who have endeavors to do something with their lives shouldn't focus on someone else's, unless it's a model of how they want to live theirs, otherwise, it's a waste of the little time they have to accomplish anything (like I'm doing right now), in my opinion. That's what I think and I have a right to say that, too. And he may be a narcissist or a sociopath, but I wouldn't know for certain because I'm not a doctor. And besides, I have better things to do than to spend any of my extra time trying to figure out his mental health. I focus on the talents of people that inspire me. Now, regarding "self-promoting": ALL people who want to sell their work have to self-promote, especially in this day and age where every popular industry in art and literature is saturated. That includes film, painting, writing, acting, etc. What that means is that everyone with the goal to sell their work is going to seemingly come across narcissistic. Welcome to capitalism. Some people are a little more subtle about it. Some people, quite possibly Schnabel, are blatant. Does it really matter? Does it offend you so much that you have to take the time away from whatever it is that you're striving to become in your own wright to attack another artist? I'm taking the time right now because I sincerely care and I hope this message reaches people: STOP CRITICIZING AND START CONTRIBUTING. Help humanity evolve! You're wasting your time and your life if you really think attacking someone else's work or their personal life is going to get you anywhere. Sure, you might feel a little superior but don't you see it's superficial? You're anonymously attacking someone you don't even know. Sounds very inferior to me. Make your own art. Self-promote your own shit. That's where everyone should be spending their time instead of giving more than two shits about someone else's success. Get off your ass and do something!!! Lead the way and create great art so YOU can show us what great art is!!! THEN, I might listen to you and say, you might be right about Schnabel. And don't say you don't care what I think because you wouldn't have posted your opinions if you didn't care what people thought about them... unless of course, you're narcissistic and a sociopath.

@winslowguerra

8 жыл бұрын

... says the artist not working on his art because he feels he's more productive arguing with a total stranger on Yotube. Don't be one of them, Craig.

@winslowguerra

8 жыл бұрын

No, Craig. YOU have "a life outside". I can tell by the tone of your responses. I apologize for presuming otherwise. And you're right, I'm not an artist, but that's not my message here. Some of these critiques I've read here and elsewhere on KZread and other social media sites are more of a whiny, bitter, offensive nature with no follow up such as, "This is how I believe he/she should have done it," etc. Tell me WHY you think it's not great art. Let's start there instead of the name calling because if you have nothing else, no great art that you've produced to back up your insults, then you should be busy perfecting your craft. Otherwise, it's just hot air. It's okay, in my opinion, to criticize another person's work but they're not criticizing the work, they're viciously criticizing the person. I have no respect for that type of critic and as a writer, I enjoy calling those people out on their shenanigans. It's good practice for my persuasive writing muscle, by the way, so I do have a place here. Lol! Best of luck with your art, Craig.

@iconoclastvituperations9587

6 жыл бұрын

someone didn't read Oscar Wilde's "The Critic as Artist" ...

damn, why so short? where's the rest of the conversation?

Recently watched "At Eternity's Gate". Very curious about the 2016 discovery mentioned at the end of the film?

He's an amazing painter, film maker. I just love his work! I was fortunate enough to see his San Francisco show at the Legion of Honor. Breathtaking stuff!

Big paintings, Big photographs, Big appetites, Big man, Massive building. Marlon and Orson created an American Monster!

Curious, are those polaroid images silk screened on, or photo transferred.

@lawcheukyui

7 жыл бұрын

he use inkjet printing , i guess , at least most of his similar over painted painting was done that way . =)

Wow, he even made the music. Julian is such a Painter. Fuckin genius

The Ed Wood of Art! Funny as hell. Hilarious Ineptitude!

notice the credits for the music at the end, rights reserved by schnabel? nice of him - but the photographer, the "someone else", "anonymous" ? fuck him right? who cares about him, or her, and their rights. or mentioning that "walking on my paintings to get the paint on them" is a technique employed dramatically and unconsciously by a real artist, jean-michel basquiat.

@winslowguerra

9 жыл бұрын

Why would he lie about "anonymous photographer"? Maybe he saw a picture somewhere with no photo credit. Someone with his fame would not take the chance on stealing photos, I would imagine. Also, this interview seems unscripted. Maybe he's doing this interview as a favor for a friend and left out some details. We all make mistakes. And as far as "technique employed dramatically and unconsciously by a real artist, jean-michel basquiat", Did Basquiat invent this technique? Schnabel produced a movie honoring Basquiat. People don't always credit all their influences in every interview.

@codademarco2760

9 жыл бұрын

Winslow C. Guerra i 'hear' what your thinking, and actually it was better expressed in your following post regarding whining, which i largely agree with, less the statement that the artist cannot also be the critic. artist by nature criticize. art results from frustrated criticism, otherwise, we artists would be happy with the status quo and not create at all. regarding the other post, and as a photographer who has risked his life on many occasions, i take exception to artist's so readily (ab)using photography without giving proper credit/payment/rights. in fact, i've heard schnabel use phrases such as "discarded amateur photographs" -- now as they say, 'res ipsa loquitor": if in fact, the work is anonymous, by definition, how can the creator be known? therefore, who can say whether the piece is not a lost bresson, a capa, or a nachtwey? notwithstanding that argument, if i were schnabel, i might rather say something like, "if anyone has any information on this piece or it's creator...". and that would be enough -- not... "it's anonymous, it's discarded, it's garbage, and so it's mine to use as i wish" ---a a photographer, something in how he explains it doesn't sit right. just look at the pieces -- it's the image, not the blue splotch at the forehead that is compelling!! in other-words, take the blue splotch way, you still have an amazing piece, the photograph. take the photograph away, what are you left with? a blue splotch -- does that do it for you? the better argument for schnabel's sake is that he is a decent "curator" of fine art! but to twist your brush 3 turns and call it your masterpiece? seriously man, really? next, much of schnabel's work uses the photographic image almost exclusively as a work's substance. he merely "finishes" it by increasing it's size and adding a painterly "swirl", a line, a blindfold across the eyes, etc (not once something original), which lets face it, is cliché, at best. now if if people appreciate that, if they buy it, who am i to disagree? if it's art to the observer, then it is art, period. that said, i can only express my opinion, and that is that schnabel's contribution to the history of art is his plate paintings, and his film, diving bell and the butterfly. and that's enough. however, when schnabel clearly misappropriates artistic signatures, like "walking on my paintings" which was an unconscious artistic element in the work of pollock's first, then of basquiat's, it is irksome to say the least. bottom line, why mention it? truth is, the only reason schnabel would talk about walking on his paintings is because he thinks it would be cool to do so. i'd love to have been a fly on his wall when he stressed out about where to put the footprint!! lol. guaranteed that if you were to do an x-ray scan of his work, you'd find footprints that were at once placed, yet now are covered in paint, invisible to the viewer. pollock and basquiat were doing the work man, you know? can you imagine either of those two thinking about where to plant a foot? follow me? schnabel is calculated. he is shrewd and intelligent, but i do not see him as an 'artist' -- like van gogh, or basquiat. but again, that's my opinion. feel free to disagree -- it's why i take time to respond to these clips -- i'm interested in it. last: regarding the "tribute to basquiat" film that schnabel produced. have you ever listened to michael holman, fellow gray band member and friend of basquiat, who wrote the script for that film? i quote: "it fucking pisses me off -- schnabel purposely took out scenes from my script that evidenced jean's (basquiat's) brilliance! and he did that because he was jealous!" he then goes on to describe the actual scene when jean-michel calls a suicide hotline and toys with them. so yes, i definitely question his motives! hollman also goes on to state that witty statements were also left out, like: "so does it bother you when people call you the best BLACK artist?" and jean answers: "i paint with all colors, not just BLACK". why would he do that? wouldn't it have improved the film? schnabel then tries to get "artistic" in the film by messing with the warhol character-- he has david bowie acting as a cross between bowie and warhol (by his own admission) which comes off more of a distraction, than an aesthetically evolved artistic contribution. wtf? this is not about you JS!! get it? in the same talk when schnabel mentions this "artistic interplay", he goes on to also state: "the only reason basquiat's paintings are selling for such high prices is because he's DEAD, NOT because of any artistic [merit]. tell me, if you were basquiat, would you want such a person to make a tribute film for you? be honest. and let me know in a subsequent post if you want the links to these clips, because i can dig them up. cheers mate, thanks for responding. i like the dialogue and never take it personally.

@winslowguerra

9 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate that you kept your response intelligent, civil and didn't resort to name-calling. You don't see/read responses like yours in KZread land often. I'm sure we can both agree on that. Seriously, THANK YOU. Let me preface my response by saying I'm not an art aficionado. I'm more of a film and music person so I guess an analogy for me would be Mick Jagger spending millions of dollars, time and energy to produce a tribute movie to John Lennon because he had a hidden agenda to make Lennon look bad. Possible? Yes, anything is possible. Probable? Hmmmm... Both those guys digged on each other via the media. They made their ill-feelings for each other public. I don't know, my friend, but It sounds like a stretch to me. From an aspiring filmmaker's perspective, I took away from the Basquait film a tragic story of an artistic genius and mind you, this was before I knew Julian Schabel was famous for his art. True story. I'm only "familiar" with the works of artist painters and sculptors who have long been dead. I'm so busy and involved in my own writing and film projects, I don't keep up with the modern art world. But in all fairness and because your response was cordial, I will watch it again from your perspective. You got me curious now and I didn't know there was a history there between them. Now, I have edited my own film short before and let me just say, it's painful when I have to remove dialogue or a great scene for the overall success and feel of the film. How do we know J.S. didn't feel the same way when he edited those lines out? Actually, I just checked IMDB and he didn't edit the film, so he MAY not have had director's cut authority at all which is quite possible. Who knows? I guess, what I'm getting at is when I began my research on J.S. I did notice a "big ego" but like he said in the interview with Morely, "Don't you have a big ego?" When Morely responded, "No", I called bullsh-t. A person may not show their big ego, but that doesn't mean they don't have a big ego. It might be a news show but it's an entertainment news show and anyone with the kind of confidence to put themselves in front of millions people, I would bet, has a big ego. J.S. called him out and what happens... Morely sutbley criticizes him in the following sequence for having a big ego. J.S. must have touched a nerve there. I think J.S. is honest with himself and with the public and does not hesitate to admit he has a big ego which to me, I respect him a little more than the person who pretends to be humble. Now, I want YOU to be honest about a couple things: 1. Forget, if you can and this is going to be hard, you weren't a fan of his art... just for a moment, please. Don't you find it amazing that this man successfully built massive, international audiences in two different arenas, art and film? How often does that happen? I love the Beatles but do remember how sh-tty their films were? Lol. Seriously. J.S.'s films have been nominated for Academy Awards. In an earlier film, his main actor, unknown at the time, was nominated for an Oscar. His artworks sells for hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions. We can be jealous all day and criticize people all day long, but honestly, I don't want to end up like Van Gogh, broke and miserable. I mean, talk about case-in-point. Maybe he shouldn't have criticized so much and focused on promoting himself and his beautiful works, which is what obviously J.S. is a pro at... and there's absolutely nothing wrong with being proud and believing in your work. I say, if you're an artist, leave the criticizing to the critics who get paid for it and get busy doing what you should and want to do and that is to create great art in whatever arena you're in, e.g. music, painting, film. Just sayin', my friend. Anyway, I have to finish writing a screenplay because I'm meeting with a big hitter in January and I want to be known for my work BEFORE I'm worm food. Lol. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Strange that the random splatterings on his floor are more interesting than his canvases.

@stephenblessed92

4 жыл бұрын

The floor with out the splatters is more interesting. This dude can't handle a blank canvas.

@tristenbest

3 жыл бұрын

Strange that your name has tits in it

These businessmen - anything to stay relevant to keep the cheques flowing.

I wonder if these “anonymous” people would want these ink splashes on their faces?

Hey Julian? What’s all that white stuff, like all those shapes? Are those dreams? Are you like dreaming? Hey Julian? Are you dreaming? You must dream a lot, you know?, Like all those white shapes?

@catandpiddle Art's pretty subjective don't you think?

no bathrobe julian?

@smartalec8855

4 жыл бұрын

PjR that’s funny

Mr battleground victory be very careful what fights or causes you invest your ego in, art is very subjective and hardly worth calling people names over. He took another persons work and stepped on it and called it his own. That says a lot about what passes for art in this world.

I've always loved Schnabels work, since the 80s. But I get a bit frustrated by the money he has to spend on the materials he uses . It's easy if you don't have to worry about the cost of doing giant paintings and Polaroids etc . At the same time if I was as rich as Schnabel I'd probably be doing something similar

the fact of the matter is; the man cannot paint, period. never could, never will. successful? you bet.

@renebarish2098

Ай бұрын

Ridiculous crap from someone who presently has a lack of understanding.

He's way too full of himself

@renebarish2098

Ай бұрын

He's a genius and has a right to a healthy ego,... we all do. If you have a need for all people you follow to bow and act humble, you go that way and find something or someone that better suits you. We (you and I) are not little gods who decide who's with Our program and who isn't. That judgemental route is repressive and undemocratic.

@marcdenhartog9697

29 күн бұрын

But he's not great...he just likes to talk. . ...people like a bs story of an Art piece,much more than the esthetic or relivence...he's a story and that's it

@renebarish2098

29 күн бұрын

@@marcdenhartog9697 Heartily DISAGREE. It's about personal taste. As beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Julian gives an excellent talk on art as evidenced in his series for the Musee D'Orsay. He's interesting and knows how to make art come alive for the audience. He's not your cup of tea, bfd. Not right to push your values, opinions on others in such a disrespectful way.

agreed. it's pretty subjective but I stick with it; schnabel can't paint. I'd go so far as to say that he also knows it.

@renebarish2098

Ай бұрын

If your idea of 'painting' is a realistic image from 150 years ago, you're right. Julian can even ot do that, have you seen his Van Gogh paintings on plates. Even the iconoclast Picasso could master 'traditional' Art, yet he chose to move forward.