Both of the founders look glorious

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed!

@michaelterrell5061

3 жыл бұрын

Chadi 😀

@michaelterrell5061

3 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Alderson That is perhaps the best observation I’ve ever heard

@hypnoticskull6342

3 жыл бұрын

I just want to touch their beards

Thanks for doing a side by side comparison. This is something I've wanted to see, but it's hard finding someone who won't just end up bashing Aikido. Seeing someone who knows both arts doing a breakdown of the techniques and philosophies in an unbiased manner is great.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate it

@hiranom20

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi No, thank you. I always saw judo and aikido as cousins.

@tavtav3526

3 жыл бұрын

Human can only understand what they can understand. They have bad habit of observing anything using their old point of view. Clearly to understand aikido ppl need a deep understanding of martial art (not sport art). This bad habit lead to cockiness when they can't comprehend other martial as effective in their own based reality (ring). This's crucial to first understanding other then value them as what they're (not by our own standard). This open mindset will give the world a better place. This's harmony that O Sensei want to show using aikido.

@vaughanmacegan4012

3 жыл бұрын

I've done Judo, Karate, Jujutsu, Tai Chi, White Crane all to various levels even boxing at home - so I can do the whole "violence" thing in a street situation if needed - but, I love the whole approach and techniques in Aikido. So I don't need the whole pressure testing thing and randori, I know the techniques that work from Jujutsu and how to use them. I can't wait to try out Aikido, I just found a school nearby and really looking forward to it.

@phanourios1279

3 жыл бұрын

@@tavtav3526 with respect the issue isnt with Aikido in itself, its philosophy or practice. It's the dangerous assertion that you can peacefully deal with an attacker whilst preventing harm. True in jiu jitsu we have only sparred on the mat or MMA in the ring, but most fighters understand their limitations and know how vulnerable the human body really is. The point is jiu jitsu has its rules and ethos and within that we know what's effective (whether you practice sport jiu jitsu or something more akin to Gracie self defense). I respect Aikido is not about competition and it's about avoid confrontation, but the underlying it is the belief that if confrontation is unavoidable your Aikido will gently disarm your attacker. This is a dangerous fallacy and perpetrated lie that modern Aikido is based on. This is the issue.

Amazing approach very clear, precise and respectfull... My deepest respect for tour work.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Daniel

Both founders studied Daito Ryu under Osensai Takeda. I have a teacher that has 5th dan and above in both arts and was a national champion in judo and ne waza. Putting them back together brings you closer to Daito Ryu again. It's a very scientific approach. Thank you very much for this video comparison of these twin arts.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Kano studied Kito ryu and tenjin shinyo ryu jujutsu not Daito ryu

I used to practice aikido and that changed my life bushido spirit osssuu

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Oss

@michaelterrell5061

3 жыл бұрын

@VICTOR RAFAEL You sir are fake!

@Marcoshary

3 жыл бұрын

Great! Good to know!

Your ability to explain things so clearly and concisely is phenomenal. You delve beyond merely the performance of a technique and get to the core of the martial art from which it springs. You are my Guru.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

MAN! I did not exepct this comment, thank you so much for this comment i really appreciate it.

Excellent video. After about 45 years of (mainly) karate, aikido and some jiu-jitsu I rarely come across a clarifying insight. You just pulled it off, thank you!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much

Glad you uploaded this!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Stephen

Great work once again Chadi, this was a very insightful and hepful comparison. Osu!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Serge

Another great video, Chadi. If you look at Kime no kata and Goshinjutsu of Judo, you will see even more Aikido techniques. These were apparently brought in from both Aikido and Daito Ryu. Like you I have studied both Judo and Aikido, as well as some Daito Ryu.

Almost at 10k! Keep up with the great content Chadi!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! the support is amazing

The Ki flows in your Sensei. Excellent posture and movements, Nice video.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Damian

Keep em coming, I'll keep watching.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Interesting. I think that idea of generating reaction/conflict is actually in the older methods of practicing Aikido but lost in the current way of training. I started training in the transition between the two, my teachers at first were ok keeping martial principles adding strikes, kuzushi, creating conflict/collision if it resolved into a technique...but now as they have passed on it seems most people train with no resistance or conflict and the uke submits to your movement. It wasn't always like that. I am trying really hard in our own curriculum to keep that conflict/collision experience at the base level of training and move to the art/no resistance techniques as we advance. But as you've said in some of your videos, you need to understand/feel conflict and resistance to understand why Aikido is valuable. Will definitely be discussing some similar topics on my YT Channel. Thanks for sharing!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

That's a brilliant insight thank you

I very much like kazushi for a starting point as it acts almost as your jab for starting throwing attempt chains during which you can blend mizu nagare with your kazushi as your opponent counter reacts. It is to me philosophically a representation of the masculine and feminine nature blended together to create movement and flow between two individuals.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Great analogy

The Tori needn't wait for uke to strike first... It was sometimes taught (in iwama) when the Tori initiates by striking first, causing the uke to defend themselves and creating the opening for the technique. (e.g. irimi-nage) Thank you for the upload and keeping these arts alive!! 🤩

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing

@killersalmon4359

2 жыл бұрын

This way is also taught in Yoshinkan and it's in the katas for Shodokan Aikido as well.

Funny how you made this , I was planning to do a write up about Kano and Ueshiba later today.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

BAM! Great minds think alike

Congrats on your 10k achievement Chadi! Now your channel would be recommended more for people when they search the topics of Judo and grappling in general.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you soooooo much! I still remember you would leave comments when i had 30 subscribers, and i thank you again for the podcast with Zeid.

@alafifi101

3 жыл бұрын

Chadi you are welcome. Anytime brother. Oss!

Great video as usual! Little off topic question what is your favourite striking art?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Muay Thai

That's a very good explanation. Good job. Only thing, you forgot to mention other Aikido schools that include strikes, so they may also initiate the technique and also include a vast repertoire of weapons training, twice as much as that of bare hands techniques. So there may be kuzushi in Aikido too if you initiate a technique like shomen uchi dai ikkyo, I know you have trained with Aikikai, but there are schools that do things differently in many regards. Nevertheless, this video was very informative, thanks again. PS the music in the background is Chinese :-) not Japanese, but it's quite beautiful!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much

Excellent video. Rare to see an objective view of Aikido emphasizing the good qualities of the art.

Good job Chadi you got to 10k 👍

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the support

There are differences with the sutemis as well. And there is some kind of strategy behind the fall you do in judo and aikido. In aikido you will often fall to esquive a technique, like when someone is doing you a kote gaeshi or juji garami. In judo the fall can have the goal to pursue the fight on ne waza, the ground. And for example when tori does a kochi nage in aikido, the uke will not fall like a judoka will fall with an ogoshi or sei nage even if the technique looks the same. I remember I found I felt very hard at the beginning on the koshi nage but when someone would throw me with an uchi Mata, sei nage I would take the ukemi normally. I remembered I had judo reflexes when I was doing aikido throws techniques like the one that looked like seo nage, I kept grabbing the keikogi which was wrong in the situation, or I kept falling on the kochi nage like in judo, I remember being thrown with a kochi nage after performing an attack with the jo and after that I feared the ukemi. The entrance in the technique is really important in aikido so that you can really use what uke is giving you. And it is really subtle sometimes to really understand at least for me what's happening. Sometimes I believed I did an omote technique and the teacher said I was doing ura or a mix. After reading the Canon of Judo and seeing Mifune I think he really mastered all the concepts you mentioned in the video and the entrance before doing the technique to break the balance of the opponent. Last thing, I have talked with many advanced aikidokas and they can take any ukemi on any ground, on stone, on wood, not only a tatami. They told me the goal of the ukemi is that you can escape and stand up again to strike. Another difference between judo and aikido is the concept of randori that is not the same. Randori in judo is sparing but without the competition in mind, to try things and evolve by sparring. In aikido the randori is two or more opponents that do grabs and basic atemis on someone who has to move to slip through the attacks and use aikido techniques to control and throw the opponents and to try to be a difficult target to catch and have some control on the environment. And the same opponent keep falling and attacking again without end unlike in judo where the spare ends with an ippon by a throw or in ne waza or after the time giving the win for the one who had the highest score. Just my thoughts on the topic

Beautifully presented 🙏😊

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

That was a great explanation.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Leslie

Excelente video. Es importante saber que tanto el aikido como el judo tienes principios filosóficos idénticos al igual que muchas de sus técnicas de lanzamientos. Creo que esto se debe principalmente a que ambos estilos tienen la misma edad, se crearon alrededor de 1882-1883.

Such a beautiful Art, despite the criticism which every Art has I see such a value in Aikido

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

First time seeing this video, Chadi. I went to one Aikido class like 5 to 6 years ago just for a one night tour and I only remember learning how to disarm an opponent with a knife and a bat (yes they used plastic small baseball bats as sticks for training) and I actually originally wanted to learn Aikido first but I didn't join the class back then and back then I didn't have a job yet. Anyways, Chadi, have you ever done video about Hapkido or a comparison between Aikido and Hapkido?

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

Hapkido video coming soon

@bryanreyes7382

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi thank you so much, Chadi

When it comes to the effectiveness of the Throws would you say that medial throws are more effective overall because you have a greater control over the person's body than the distal throws? I guess I'm just curious why there would be greater . on the distal throw which seems to have less application in actual fighting. This is me looking at this through the eyes of an outsider in Aikido. I only did judo for 2 years before switching to bjj

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great question, but i think both are effective even kokyu nage a distal throw I showed footage in actual sparring, it can be done you just need training and randori

@christophervelez1561

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi Awesome! Thanks for the awesome content.

@xStephanxHusseinx

3 жыл бұрын

I believe its fair to say medial throws have a higher percentage of success when attempted against a living, thinking, moving uki than distal throws. Shodokan aikidoka and to a lesser extent sumo give the best example of distal throws in actual competition I have personally witnessed. Distal throws are perfectly legal in freestyle wrestling, judo shiai, MMA etc but seldom used due to simply not being as useful. If someone can show me otherwise I'd be very interested to see the counter evidence.

In Aikido "Sokumen Iriminage" grabbing the belt or not, depends on situation and not on style. In your example of Yoshinkan Aikido around 4:30 - 5:00 the Tori wants to control the arm, so he only "moves" his hand in a kind of striking/pushing motion towards the belly, in this case towards the ribs, of Uke. If the attack was Gyaku Hanmi Katate Dori, of course you would be free to grab the belt, but usually you would use an Atemi to the belly (in Karate called Ura Tzuki) - or like shown at 4:55 as open hand strike, but not to the ribs but solar plexus :D

Kenji Tomiki (8th dan judoka under Kano sensei, 1st menkyo kaiden/8th dan aikidoka under Ueshiba, O-sensei) called aikido "judo from mai-ai" (judo at arms length). They have so much in common. Virtually all of the core principles are common to both: taisabake, kuzushi, masubi, idoryoku. In Tomiki aikido we use kuzushi in all techniques (a true core principle) but never refer to (or distinguish from) mizu nagare. Though from your description I guess we use both, both initiated and provided. But even the initiated kuzushi usually (but not always) uses provided energy at least indirectly, exploiting the attacker's momentum, redirecting into kuzushi, etc. Love your videos and your rich background and respectful discussions.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I wish there is Tomiki in France

@rhmayer1

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi I could only find the following listing of a dojo in France from the Shodokan Aikido Federation website, a listing that the website link no longer works. So it may no longer exist, but here's the text that is below the dead web link: Contact: Tsuchiya Satoru, Gymnase Raymond Lemaitre, 27 Avenue D’enghien 93800 Epinay Sur Seine. I checked the SAF, JAA and our TAA websites - that's all I could find in France, I'm afraid. But as a consolation, here's a nice, short demonstration by Nariyama shihan, showing the speed and power of Tomiki/Shodokan aikido: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p2Z91qqbibKXf6w.html. Aikikai and other styles of aikido may notice that the circles and arcs are there but much smaller and quicker - closer to aikido's koryu/battlefield roots. Sakai sensei gets many kudos for uchemi that can manage (read survive) Nariyama. I had the honor and pleasure of meeting both in 2018, extremely gracious and nice men. (Giants to me.)

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

@@rhmayer1 Thank you for this, might try a class and vlog it.

Excellent academic explanations and far beyond what I have seen or heard on other channels. I think the important principle in aikido of mizu nagare that you define is to control the space or maai (distancing) in order to get the uke to overextend thereby being off balance. It's not unlike a counterpunch boxer just staying out of range and drawing the opponent to come into range. Mike Tyson used to be a master at drawing taller opponents in so he could get into the pocket from the blind side. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu seems to use mostly kuzushi (initiating an action to create a reaction) but I see now that there are a lot of mizu nagare concepts too depending on circumstances such as when an opponent is in your guard and pushes against you to attempt to open your guard and pass thereby creating an opportunity for a sweep, or a submission.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this insight

@assoverteakettle

3 жыл бұрын

You are too kind. But I think I'm not that insightful as much as I am good at reinterpreting what you already said in the video. So I had good source material to draw from! 😀

Deep respect. Judo and Aikido are not the same. Both fine in their own rite. Wonderful examples of medial and distal. Bruno sense is amazing! Thank you for this presentation.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Robert

let me tell you this this video is very good because your comment is synchronized with the images. not to say that previous ones were not good. but sometimes images take you away. in aikido they have some techniques to counter a grip by moving tori's body so it makes like a lock in uke's hand or arm. is it real or realistic? can it be used in a fight? my sympathies to your country. I hope it will get better soon.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! it's not easy but we will recover

sI have been a judoka for 11 years from 6 to 17 years old and in the last years of my practice I really did not like judo anymore because of the mentality of practitionners at the time, not respecting the moral codes we had which was important for me. Also at the time I was really really thin and small and had no strength at all and was often bullied at the dojo. Anyway, last year due to a collegue who practiced judo, and then ju jutsu, and finally aikido I decided to try aikido, and I loved it, seeing even my judo backround in a really different way, even if I only practice for one year I think I became a better judoka I used to be and reconciliated with the martial art. I even discovered some judo's kata like Ju no kata, kime no kata, goshin jutsu kata , itsutsu no kata and koshiki no kata (initially i knew only nage no kata and katame no kata to pass the black belt which I prepared and finally gave up), and I see the link with aikido and these kata and understand them better. I like the aikido technics and love practicing weapons like jo, bokto and tento. And love both Kano, Ueshiba, Mifune, Kimura, Koichi, Tamura etc... Great founders and masters.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I understood aikido more through judo

@ThibautKurt23

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi these two martial arts are siblings and the two sons of ju jutsu. I remember in my last years of judo, lot of people relayed on their physical strength and we spent a lot of time in randoris to fight on kumi kata to correctly grab the adversary. Then always passing a technique by brute force. And since I was thin and small I was not good at it. And in newaza I remember I could slip from hard situations but I was often overwhelmed by aggressive and physically strong opponents. I felt very bad since I was taught in my childhood that judo was made for people with little physical strength or not very tall to beat people with more physical strength. Now with aikido I understand in fact it was possible and that my practice was not good. And I understand now why I favored some technics over others or had a certain style in my fighting because of how I am built and the kind of people I used to spare with.

I commend you to explain clearly the basic differences of Judo and Aikido in 12 MINUTES!. In an Aikido book, Aikido the Dynamic Sphere by Ratti, I think that author mentioned Mifune comparing the art of Judo as a dynamic sphere (nage) like a ball ever moving it its axis. The latest Aikido was more of the concept of Iaido and the concept of the Shinken. I took 2 forms of Aikido, the Gozo Shioda and the O' Sensei. I found the latter resemble Judo because of the falls. I took Judo and it worked well with Shioda's Yoshinkan Aikido. But with O' Sensei's Aikido, let me tell you, it was a rude awakening for me. It's a good thing my sensei, I think, was patient. One other thing that is rarely mentioned, grappling mat techniques are almost non existent in Aikido. But the principle of leverage using your arms and center of gravity and fulcrum dominate when teaching mat techniques.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jerry

Very good comparison of Aikido and Judo which actually shows that arts share same ideas. One question still might be discussed and it's WHY they are so similar?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Same philosophy

Interestingly, it wasn’t until after I was Shodan in Aikido that I heard the term Mizu Nagare. We essentially universally use kuzushi. Related to that, we were drilled on phases of initiative quite a bit; particularly “sen no sen” and “sen sen no sen.” Basically, you have to take initiative before applying technique. Shioda seems to have been big into this and it really delineates post and prewar philosophy. If I have any constructive criticism here, it’d be that Aikido really does seem to be constructed on technique that are (mostly) for disarms. Old sword schools (Kashima Shinto-ryu, for example) have many similar techniques that are pretty explicitly for the disarm. I’m not at all arguing that Aikido doesn’t apply sword philosophy to its waza, but the precursor schools seem pretty much in consensus that a lot of the pins were first for control and second for stripping a weapon. Certainly, the widespread use of these techniques in law enforcement seems to support this. It’s more of a pet peeve than something to be taken seriously, but I’ve always found Gonzalez’s work (and to a lesser degree Tissier himself) to be a bit too... aesthetically focused. It looks great to the eye, but I feel the Aikikai strand of the martial art is ever-moving-away from martial mindsets.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the added information

@Cyclonus5

3 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with your assessment of Aiki-Kai. I have found Yoshinkan and Iewama useful in practice but Aiki-kai is practically a dance, locked in ineffective pedagogy. I've also noticed the same thing with Olympic Judo: losing technique and growth for the sake of the sport. Both are on the extremes with regards to competition and yet take it to the same place where it becomes less than what it was.

Add : there's 3 kind of Aikido , a. hard, b. medium, c. soft. Created when the founder is young - old. The soft kind is created when he is old & very skilled. In my opinion the soft kind is the most difficult. This soft kind interest me the most but . . it's probably what gives Aikido a bad name, because of the students who can't really apply it, because it needs more precision. cmiiw

@michealpuckett8856

3 жыл бұрын

Think you hit it. Aikido wasn't created as a style but as a training system to build Aiki , which exist in all styles.As with any art you improve, learn , and soften as you learn more. Now many are trying to do the soft with out the understanding of why it works because of skipping training steps.

@edwardgavieres214

3 жыл бұрын

Yes,correct I agree.

@edwardgavieres214

3 жыл бұрын

Yes correct I agree

"Bow to your, bow to your sensei, bow to your sensei..." Sensei Rex founder of Rex Kwon Do

Brilliant video Chadi. Well done. One of the things i have used from Aikido in BJJ that was useful were the wrist locks. Like Ikkyo and Nikkyo. Rokyo as well. But great job.

@golden_flower343

3 жыл бұрын

Rokyo ? what are you talking about? 😆

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jose

@josecortez2526

3 жыл бұрын

@@golden_flower343 it's a standing arm bar. Check it out. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i6tnzq6tg7K2Zpc.html

@golden_flower343

3 жыл бұрын

@@josecortez2526 you got to know that there are only 5 "lessons" in Aikido : ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, yonkyo and gokyo. none of straight disciples of Morihei Ueshiba had ever taught anything more than that curriculum. so there's no way for any kind of stuff like rokkyo in any legit Aikido. moreover, you wouldn't find it in Daito-ryu either. it is some legendary stuff, ever existed only by rumours.

@josecortez2526

3 жыл бұрын

@@golden_flower343 I learned Rokkyo when I trained Aikido as a teen in the 90's. If you look at the video I posted earlier you see Yamada Sensei demonstrating Rokkyo to a group during a seminar.

Even when the aikodoka has a position that can throw it seems like ike goes into play along mode

Outstanding.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mark

Great Channel.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

i wanted to learn a martial art to get some cardio in. i lift 3x a week and just wanna do something twice a week for endurance and at the same time get more control of my body. we only have aikido in my town, is it any good? how does a typical lesson look like? do they spar?

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

There’s no sparring, it’s a nice practice, but Judo there’s sparring and the cardio is hardcore

@Synday

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi so you'd advice me to bite it and drive 30min to next town for judo instead? the lessons also perfectly align with my current schedule... time to get into judo i guess

@Chadi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Synday go for it, twice a week in the beginning is plenty

Would you consider sode tsuri komo goshi a good example of a distal judo throw?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

It's medial, it's a koshi waza (hip technique)

well done your videos create good debate

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

Hey can you look into Gozo Shioda? Particularly some of the techniques he does in his demos? I can find anyone who can explain what he’s doing. And in his books he just calls them kokyu-ho I think or “breath techniques”

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I'll make a video about him

These guys perform a great show. The way they demonstrate their techniques would on work on Fantasy Island!!

This is wonderful

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@flugendorffilms6130

3 жыл бұрын

W/r/t creating imbalance vs receiving: Jiu-Jitsu went through many evolutions, like rubber guard, so it’s feasible with aikido too.

Thank you so much for the anatomy insight. It's my first time knowing the difference between distal, proximal, & medial. And yes aikido is all about principle. Aikido is martial art focused on self-defense in mental aspect and principle. It's not a competitive art cause the technique is based on weapon that can't be translated in empty hand fighting but also lack technique and cunning action to weapon fighting. My addition to this topic is. Aikido is armed-grappling martial art compared to judo unarmed-grappling. Aikido primarily a self defense art and judo is more into sport art. Aikido have mindset around: 1. You face enemy more prepared than you/stronger 2. There's weapon involved 3. You face multiple opponent That's why aikido technique is more into distal because aikido lock/pinning technique prefer mobility than security. Secure pinning is when you makes your opponent can't flee at all which in aikido you make the pinning give you opportunity to flee cause there might be another opponent coming. It's why aikido pin always tori in the back of uke and always tori have level higher than uke(they don't both go to the ground).

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

That was well put! thank you

@m5a1stuart83

3 жыл бұрын

No... Not Aikido but Daito Ryu. I recently watch Daito Ryu documenter, he said that we usually dont throw but crushing someone arms even in practice. Which mean there are resistance from Uke.

@tavtav3526

3 жыл бұрын

@@m5a1stuart83 I don't mention aikido go crushing ppl limbs. Aikido is basically a teaching. Aikido is going like this in hierarchy: 1. Philosophy 2. Goal 3. Tactic 4. Technique Everyone already know what aikido philosophy is. What I wanna tell is the goal aspects. Aikido have 3 goal: 1. Being ahead of the opponent (this's the only way you outmatch stronger, faster, & more skilled opponent) 2. Make a distance 3. Be in a good position All of it is aikido core strategy. The technique is only comes when the worst scenario occur. Ppl tend to see aikido as 'waiting-to-be-attacked' martial art, no aikido main strategy is to be ahead of their opponent and the technique is done only to accommodate what-if you grabbed if you fail to be ahead and make a distance from your opponent to make a peace conversation. Go check Christopher Hein for detailed explanation. He runs ChuShinTani channel on KZread.

Great video. I have practiced Judo my self and am still practicing Aikido. There is just one thing I would like to comment on. There is kusushi in Aikido as well but you might have to look at teachers like Morihiro Saito shihan who taught kihon waza. Not all Aikikai teachers do this. Morihiro Saito was without question Osenseis closest student and continued teaching what nowadays often is called traditional Aikido meaning the Aikido Osenei taught.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing I'll check Saito sensei

@Vanessa-eu6fw

3 жыл бұрын

for a beginner - would you recommend to start with judo or aikido?

@danborg422

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Vanessa, there is no correct answer to your question I am afraid. Jigoro Kano is supposed to have said that Moriei Ueshibas Aikido was what he him self intended with Judo. If this story is true I can not verify but for me it is a logic statement. Judo and Aikido share important basic principles even though they have different appearances. The only honest answer I can give is that you must find out for your self. It is not only about what you wish to get out of the training. I would say that the most important thing is to find the right teacher. Aikido is often accused of being fake. There is a reason for this. There are a lot of people out there calling then selves Aikido or Aikido Sensei but they don't have a clue about Ueshibas original martial art. It is in most cases not their fault. They have in turn had bad teachers them selves. This is sad but a fact. So if something looks funny it is most probably so. I can only wish you luck in the search for an art and a teacher that can bring you joy and the feeling of fulfilment and commitment that comes with true Budo.

@Vanessa-eu6fw

3 жыл бұрын

@@danborg422 thanks so much for your detailed reply! :)

Great video! I think Judo and Aikido are much complementary to each other. Judo students could benefit from training some Aikido balance principles, but nowadays they don't even practice Judo's own katas, anyway... As well as Aikido practitioners could benefit from training randori in which the goal isn't to strike in some peculiar (not to say unrealistic) way but to throw or submit your opponent. To me, Aikikai's Aikido as is shown relates to ballroom dancing (from when I practiced it for my wedding), in which there must be full cooperation, otherwise the technique won't work.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Great insight

@secretarchivesofthevatican

3 жыл бұрын

Tomiki aikido does exactly that but, of course, Tomiki was a judoka too.

i took some classes with an experienced aikido teacher and he said it was, actually, developed for fighting against swords unarmed

@dadthelad

3 жыл бұрын

Which explains why it is near on completely useless as a modern martial art. And to be honest, in a real fight between a skilled swordsman with a razor sharp katana against an unarmed aikido master, the bullshido master would get chopped into sashimi in seconds. The idea that an unarmed martial artist could beat a sword is purely fiction for the movies - the sort of movie in which the bad guys can't shoot straight with their AR15's, but the single good guy takes them all out with his pistol. Aikido is ridiculous from start to finish, and that was well proven beyond doubt by mma.

Great video again. I agree and believe that this is why Saigo Shiro was so successful as a student and Kodokan practitioner because of his previous Aikijujutsu training. Kuzushi and Aiki.. two sides of the same coin. Terry Ham

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you yes i agree

@JohnSmith-gq9xj

3 жыл бұрын

Uyeshiba was high on the autism spectrum. He claimed none of his methods originated in China when facts prove that everything in Japanese culture at that time originated in China; philosophy, silk making, pottery, even Ninjitsu originated in China and the Japanese merely took them and re-named them. Karate is always described as a Japanese martial art when it is neither Japanese or a martial art. Uyeshiba had only one challenge fight in his life, that against the drunken former samurai Sokaku Takeda. Eye witnesses to the bout reported that Takeda dealt with the younger Uyesheba 'deftly'. Make of that what you will. By the way, as young man Uyesheba used to bang his head against a stone slab 100 times a day. In light of recent medical reports of the brain damage sustained by soccer players heading the ball, it kind of makes you wonder. If you're still not convinced, how often does an aikido practioner feature in MMA.

Very interesting ! 👍 I have studyed "Kung Fu" for the last 43 years and teach that learning other styles will enhance your foundation style.

I train in both judo and aikido. Its like peanut butter and jelly both go well together

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@asteriskcolon

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same way about cross training BJJ with Aikido

@Vanessa-eu6fw

3 жыл бұрын

for a beginner - would you recommend to start with judo or aikido?

Very good post. I would disagree with you on the issue of the use of sword. What you said is correct about the sword but the moves , I believe, was also used to free your sword from situations

"kodokan judo cerignola". 😁 I've been there when I was a kid.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing

@64Rosso

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi I've been at the BuSen Dojo, instead... fascinating how two italian dojo, one in the very south of Italy (Cerignola) and the other one in the northern city of Milan (the BuSen) have managed to reach such a relevance to be chosen for your video :-)

Do you know Kelemen ryu jujitsu? It’s a modern hungarian jujitsu school. I think it’s a very good self defense sistem. It has made for TEK (hungarian special forces).

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I'll check it out thank you

OK. There is too much to comment on here. Some is reasonably well explained but much of what you say is incorrect. Aikido is based on weapons. It is budo. Kuzushi is essential. Without weapons it isn't aikido. Riai is built on this concept. Without those aspects it is not aikido. Saito sensei explained this in great detail. A lot of what is shown now on KZread is by practitioners of low skill who are concerned with comparison against other arts which makes it egocentric nonsense.

I love aikido I rember a bjj match I had a match with a blue belt and managed to pin him down control his arm and wrist and made him tap learned that from sensei kimeda

@poeguru88

3 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome bro!! I practice both aikido and bjj as well; I find that the aikido spiral tenkan movements help tremendously for countering and moving around the jiu jitsu locks, I also notice I catch sankyo when people go for backchokes as well as nikkyo when people grab my sleeve, also when I’m in someone’s guard and they go for a Kimura I find that to be a perfect time to use ikkyo on their overwrap arm.

I don’t don’t know much about Aikido, but I think there may be something there that can applied to MMA. It just needs the right person to make it work.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

You need a different training methodology

@asteriskcolon

3 жыл бұрын

Dan Theodore had a video of him tapping MMA fighters under sport grappling (BJJ rules) using various Aikido locks I've done the same, although against less seasoned opponents than he was facing

I think they both look very cool. I was a Hapkido practitioner, and it seems that Hapkido has made some Aikido style techniques offensive in nature. Perhaps, Aikido could do the same.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing!

So, Mizu Nagare is the unreachable ideal to train towards, but in the meantime it's good to have some Kazushi

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

I don't want to throw crap at Aikido, but the way I see it, that style is more based on the weapons oriented ju-jitsu and making a -do system while pretty much removing the weapon. Judo became a much more practical and useful style, because Kano's emphasis on randori and shiai, which is absent in Aikido, and that is why it really doesn't work with a resisting opponent.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

There's also Ueshiba becoming more spiritual towards the end of his life, Ueshiba went to war and sparred his entire life, he wanted something new

@henrikg1388

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi Perhaps. You know more about the history than I will ever do. I would appreciate if you could explain the rules of these modern day Aiki competitions and why a judoka couldn't just enter and clear the floor with the other competitors. :)

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

@@henrikg1388 haha ill try

Just think of other top knotch martial artists that died or were killed in war??? Has anyone made connection to Nagasaki and Hiroshima maybe having old samurai populations that might drive the war on continuously? Just curious as this wouldn't be told, but Budo would know, even if secretly discussed. Then Okinawa was said to have had lost many martial artists killed by war or suicide.

I hope you don't mind my asking but, why is it a myth that aikido is meant for disarming opponents with a sword (or any other weapon that's not a firearm for that matter)? I mean, I understand the use of sword principles to demonstrate empty-hand techniques but, aren't aikido techniques better suited for disarming (or not getting disarmed yourself) rather than submitting an opponent? (all philosophy and teaching methodology aside).

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

It is not THE principle, aikido was born waaay after Samurais and swords, hand grabs are meant to block you from pulling your sword, it's based on that principle so you're actually holding the sword not them, but it's more about the ideas of o sensei not about actual fighting.

@shinshoryu

3 жыл бұрын

Well, that's some quick answering 😅.

does judo +aikido +karate = akiki-jiitsu ?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

A little bit of everything it's an old koryu in the end

@GoDaveGo

3 жыл бұрын

I came across a comparison of Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu compared to Aikido. It turns out the techniques are essentially the same. The founder didn’t change the techniques, he added his philosophy. His philosophy has influenced how Aikido is practiced by adherents, including de-emphasizing some techniques.

Chadi look up Hiroshi Isoyama he is a direct student of the founder of Aikido and he taught Seagal Aikido when he went to Japan and Isoyama also taught the Japanese defense forces and the U.S. Army and that’s how my sensei James L Paulson the first American to get a black belt in Aikido in 1959 and you can see the debate in Japan about O sensei aikido that his blood line is not doing his aikido and masters like Isoyama is doing his aikido a more hard style....and I believe that aikido gets a bad rap because of second and third doshu style of flowery style of aikido we’re Ibariki or Iwama is practicing more of O sensei aikido more realistic attacks and harder training in general....and great video by the way keep them coming....

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you will do

more aikido plz

Overall, Kano and Ueshiba achieved their goals of using their systems as a means of connecting and unifying people.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@rashidmartialarts9513

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi have you received the transcript I sent you ?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

@@rashidmartialarts9513 Let me check

what about irmi nagi ?

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

It is like sokumen a medial throw

Holy crap this dude produces videos like wildfire

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks i try

Hi Chadi, misu nagare is older than aikido, it comes from ju jitsu and it exists in judo with the form of gaeshi , kuzushi is clearly better as a principle because you can make the right circumstances in order to throw someone whenever you see fit so you are more in control of the situation and you secure the throw. Seeing aikido throws is something graceful and beautiful but lacks realism in essence because it's really hard to throw an experienced and strong fighter without using your bodyweight , using 2 arms in one is kinda dangerous for self defence , you must be really sure your opponent doesn't have the distance to strike you down with the remaining limps he has and also that you can really finish the fight with that one move which is not so easy. Last but not least is the weapon fighting aspect of aikido which is great , I personally have seen some nice movement and sword technique in aikido which is very small or almost non-existant in judo. The reality of today is that we don't really fight with swords anymore , if you want weapons you can have firearms, but being able to use any item or instrument as weapon is a respectable skill for self defence and learning knife, stick, shield, sword principles can make you better either using those or countering them if necessary. I personally believe that stabbing is faster, more accurate, gives you more striking distance and is more lethal than cutting so I am not so much into katana style of swordfighting but I respect the skill. I find that in greater swordfighting skill levels probably Olympic swordfighting even if it doesn't seem so cool is of higher practical value than kendo or iaido. thanks for the video, if you have another opinion about aikido practicality and you can analyze the details of any aikido techniques you believe to be effective as it is being tought pls share it with me I have very little experience with aikido and it was kinda bad but I am up to being proven wrong or learning something new!

@kanucks9

3 жыл бұрын

It's a classic debate: cut vs thrust. Thrusts are more lethal, but less disabling - you can run a man through, and he might still kill you, but if you cut through the muscles in his arm or neck, he can't fight anymore. There are a lot of problems with Olympic fencing, but given a smallsword those foil guys are very dangerous. (I've done Olympic fencing and HEMA, wrestling and BJJ)

@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970

3 жыл бұрын

@@kanucks9 I am doing hema atm, let me say the good thing with the thrust is that you can still keep the distance , you don't need to run someone through and each thrust is devastating you can hit arteries or vital organs and the death will be unavoidable, while a deep cut can still be survivable if you hold the wound, the thrust is always deep, you can say our bodies are made to surpass cuts with the skin and bones while thrusts are a bit surprising for the human body , and if you take things further you can say that bullets are made to thrust exactly because it's more dangerous and firearms are considered the best for lethality that's why they are more preferable in human wars the latest centuries, the rifle knives are made also to thrust. Another good thing with thrusting is that you can find your way easily to the armors weak spots, the fastest way between 2 spots is a streight line so faster hits and more hits equals more chances to do damage while at the same time it's harder to parry. A cutting sword gives a wider area to block or parry thus most chances are for the thrust to give the winning blow, depending Ofc always on the skill level of the swordfighter.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I prefer cutting, faster and more energy efficient

@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi faster and energy efficient , is extremely debatable, explain pls

@nikolaosmandamandiotis8970

3 жыл бұрын

From the little I know since I do hema for just months the faster cutting is slower than the faster thrusting, and the thrusting is mechanicaly easier needing less strength to reach deeper. Now if we talk about medieval times cutting practicality exist with the use from horses back and when you fight multiple less armored opponents, also katana isn't exactly the best cutting sword, there are scimitars and other blades which are better mechanicaly for that, the katana is a bit more versatile though . I prefer a kind of double edged long sword with extremely sharp edge which makes a triangle from the end of the hand guard till the edge of the blade but I also prefer shield and sword combo which goes better on par with judo and boxing techniques. All I say about thrusting and cutting surely depends on the blade, having the ability to cut is not bad I am just more thrusting oriented in my game.

I like the video but having practiced judo I can’t see how aikido works it feels like a paradox to throw or to fight without having kuzushi aswell

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I agree if you add kuzushi it will change everything

@TRA25

3 жыл бұрын

Well it doesn’t work without kuzushi, as you gain seniority in Aikido (or at least in the style I study) the focus is on entering and creating kuzushi. That’s why Judo training helps Aikidoka because kuzushi is a fundamental to both martial arts.

The myth of disarming in aikido Is coming from the fact that really ancient form was meant to be used with sword And Armor which is obvious (And allso logical, since Its not rare that you Are not able to kill armored oponent with cut So grapling Is what happened next). Thats why control Is So important, thats why IT utilises such strange ways of atack And thats also why you Are suposed to use some allready existing oportunity- its created in cutting movements allready So no need And also n room to create another one)

Old. Amazing beard or mustache. That makes me belive they can kill me without even moving

Judo is the hard aikido is the soft . this two arts compliment each other. In my opinion i believe they belong together when taught. To me aikido is the softer side of judo.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you

I did aikido for 8 years , only regret I didn't start judo earlier. When I did judo I can't use aikido techniques at all in randori, can't even defend myself against takedowns, Judo manage to cover this weakness, I'm more confident on my feet and on the ground, in short Randori with resisting partner works to sharpen your skills.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed! That's my experience as well with Judo after years of Aikido, how long did it take you to earn your shodan in Kyudo???

@chrischiang1512

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi kyudo 1 year can reach shodan, but to reach 3 Dan , it can take many years and people can fail multiple times failing 3 Dan . I am lucky I reach 3 Dan in 4 years.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Wow i might start Kyudo, how many days a week do you practice kyudo???

@chrischiang1512

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi Do you plan to practise modern Kyudo ? Or Ryuha style? I can provide you more information and books, maybe I can connect with you via email.

@chrischiang1512

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi In malaysia we practise once a week. I practise both modern Kyudo and Heki Ryu Insai Ha.

I equate aikido with Tai chi since both are nice to look at but are neither a martial art nor a competitive sport. Judo is so much more useful in a real fight situation and much more fun as a sport.

You have uke dive rolling for you.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Demonstrating flow amd good ukemi

@strawbilly

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi can't make osensai look bad and not fall

Five stars !! 🖐👺

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Lol! 11:05 looks like a game glitch

That kuzushi looks like a good technique. When I took Karate my Sensei told me never to go up on the tip of the toe like that. Your opponent will simply push you over and you will fall on your ass!

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly right, that's the point of Kuzushi that's how you throw someone bigger and stronger

@wendellignatin1228

3 жыл бұрын

Gotta make a note of that one. Thank you my friend!

@cahallo5964

3 жыл бұрын

Shotokan Karate has very VERY low stances, which makes a lot of sense considering that Funakoshi met Kano directly, also Karate also has Kusushi (You know, those 9 throws Funakoshi thaught and a bunch of transition techniques)

Mizu nagare is literally translated and water flow.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

I imagine a judo praecticiomer fighting an Aikido practitioner in an anime

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I wish

They both evolved from Aikijujitsu

The Aiki-kai looks much prettier, but I'd have my money on Yoshinkan for any kind of effectiveness.

@jtilton5

3 жыл бұрын

There are differnent training methodoliges, between Yoshinkan and Aikikai (Yoshinkan training being more regimented in order to help teach 100 or more cops at a time.) But I high level Yoshinkan practicioner and a high level Aikikai practicioner will look suprisingly the same in their movements. Also if you are interested, look up Nishio Sensei's style of Aikido. He demonstrates a lot on how to use kuzushi to make Aikido effective.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Shodokan is my pick

@joelpettit25

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi Yes, I'd agree with this.

Wrist locks

BJJ=Jujutsu Judo=Jujutsu Aikido=Jujutsu

Aikido the best judo!

Chadi, I was thinking, maybe you could interview this Aikido master, called Maruyama. He's from Brazil, 7th Dan in Aikido and worked in São Paulo, Brazilian police. He said he used Aikido in many different situations as possible when he worked on the streets, for the police. He gives s few examples here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hI2fpMmSgZPAgco.html

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I'll reach out

@Marcoshary

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi Great, Chadi!

@Marcoshary

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi He speaks French too.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

@@Marcoshary awesome

You are missing the link...Kenji Tomiki....

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

I covered him in a video

@nelsoncasares8897

3 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi watching your video is very interesting, with Tomiki Aikido we (try) practice those elements in kata and the randori version of the kata so we study the two sides of the same coin.

@nelsoncasares8897

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iJ2Lq6alotnaipM.html

comparing old form Judo with modern euro Aikido. Better to compare old vs old so Bruno Sensei replaced with Tomiki Sensei or Tohei Sensei

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

That's a great remark

aikido "art of sword", judo hend to balance {bear hands}. :( lost art of ronin . in all furyty

Chadi, if you also look at or better yet FEEL Aiki-Jujutsu it's as different from Aikido as is Judo in application & waza. But Aiki-jujutsu in real unarmed defense compliments Judo very well, in my experience. Here's a link to a high level American Aiki-jujutsu master, Salaludin Mohammed, in Philadelphia: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4Sg2tKQqdqymbw.html

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Is there footage of daito ryu sparring???

@SoldierAndrew

2 жыл бұрын

@@Chadi I shall look but when I learned Daito Ryu we didn't spar with it because the techniques are so subtle that snapping a wrist is effortless and injury very probable. I think there's a Daito Ryu school in Russia that spars, but I haven't any footage of them sparring yet nor do I see how they could spar competitively without serious injury. Any competent grappler can learn Daito Ryu and apply it functionally against dynamic resistance because any competitive grappling background develops the timing, understanding and experience to functionally apply a non-competitive art during close combat defense. Judo is a great vehicle, as is BJJ, for developing abilities that allow a grappler to pick up any other grappling art and apply it functionally.

There is no punching in either one

@chrischiang1512

3 жыл бұрын

Actually they do, atemi waza was part of both, judo's atemi waza include kicks and punches they borrowed from karate.

@ruialmeida818

3 жыл бұрын

Morihiro Saito stated Atemi represents 90% of the technique, so, punching is a fundamental part of Aikido, at least.

@chrischiang1512

3 жыл бұрын

Good video about judo strike techniques kzread.info/dash/bejne/npV53M6Chsi8ZrA.html

I think it’s unfair to compare modern Tokyo style aikido to judo. Most of original concept of aikido is preserved in smaller sects of schools, while the aikikai, as well as most of overseas school took a very delusional turn every since the GHQ ban of martial arts, revival as a “philosophical” approach, and founder’s son assuming the head of aikikai. I also noticed most of your clips were coming from these technically defunct schools. You should look into pre-WWII branches of aikido (Iwama, Tomiki, Yoshinkan, Kobayashi etc.) for fair assessment.

@Chadi

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Yusuke, yes aikido has a deep history it cannot be done in one video

@yn5568

3 жыл бұрын

Chadi I didn’t mean to go into history, but it’s hard to grasp what aikido is, when the voices are lot stronger coming from McDojos in both Japan and abroad. I just thought that your points were trying to be understanding, but somewhat off because of that. Especially in breaking down the kuzushi concept

@cahallo5964

3 жыл бұрын

Aikido is more like, "Hey you can bully people now just don't do it cuz why would you, be a good boy and keep improving yourself.

One works, one doesn’t

@Krissada1000

3 жыл бұрын

Not exactly. One works on trained fighters. One only works on untrained people. 😇