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Does her self-identification apply to race?

@dYstop1a_

6 күн бұрын

no, it doesn't

Here an extract of an article in The Economist about her last book "Who's afraid of gender": The problem is that pretty soon, the author leaves the path of gay-rights advocacy and disappears down an ideological rabbit hole. Soon after critiques of “the so-called facts of sex”, the tq+ overwhelms the lgb. The result is a stir-fry of disingenuous provocations, served up with a large portion of post-modern word salad. The reader is left wondering how Butler ever became so influential. Butler smears the growing army of liberal-minded women who oppose these views on sex and gender, including J.K. Rowling, as hysterical right-wingers allied with the pope, Mr Trump and Vladimir Putin. Soon the author descends into the quicksand of intersectionality, where all oppressions overlap, accusing people who criticise the Butler perspective of buttressing “white supremacy”. By the end, all opponents are extremists. The words “fascism” and “fascist” appear nearly 70 times. The book is a lesson in how well-meaning activism can overreach. The author has lent intellectual credibility to a theory that has, as recently revealed in the Cass Review commissioned about England’s youth-gender services, caused harm to many young people, some of whom are autistic, depressed or simply gay. Channelling Butler’s theories, some activists are labelling those who oppose giving minors cross-sex hormones as “bigots”."

trance one word wake up folks

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

What ?

This is packed with great information!!

Yet they attack those who may be innocent or just ignorant no fault of their own by calling a Mexico aggression, and oh for example, calling HR to deal with a co worker who accidentally forgets to use the pronouns … someone’s world view and way in which they engage in it is not my problem. I’m not their therapist.

I disagree. I think it's healthy to have our beliefs challenged. No one has to get butthurt about it...

I encourage people show this to someone in their life who may have questions about gender identity. It’s a wonderfully concise intro to the subject.

@fretbuzz59

8 ай бұрын

Male/man, female/women. Done.

@WiseOwl_1408

4 ай бұрын

Don't read books by PDF files

@uncoiledfish2561

Ай бұрын

It just isn't. This woman is Jordan Peterson for the left 🤣 With this way of thinking how do we stop astrology from going down the same path. If they were to start forcing their way into schools, demanding that we mention their star-sign when referring to them. How do we stop them? They could claim it is their identity, and shame on us for saying it isn't. Claim that we were aiding in their genocide for denying their "reality". Why stop there, what other crazy ideologies could this get in?

Based

As a trans person this fills me with joy. Finally an educational video that isn't transphobic. ^^

@johnsmith7140

10 ай бұрын

Educational 😂😂😂

@francescocerasuolo4064

10 ай бұрын

@@johnsmith7140reality doesn't care about your feelings. there are more than two genders.

@marysiarapant

10 ай бұрын

It's funny because as a trans woman I can assure you that the person in this video is super transphobic and dumb. I didn't transition "because I felt like it" or because "gender is a construct and I had to escape or in some way". I transitioned because I wanted to d*e every day. I transitioned because 5 different doctors gave me diagnosis that in fact I am a woman. Something in me is BIOLOGICALLY "wrong", I guess? Something just pushes me to be a woman, even though I hate it. I'd rather be a man and not be surrounded by women that much, they're often really toxic from my experience. So now I'm only a construct because you're a "she they" fighting gender roles or whatever? Fight your roles but stop calling yourself trans. Because that leaves no word for people like me, and we can't freely talk about our experiences

@LizaFan

8 ай бұрын

@@johnsmith7140 yes, believe it or not, gender diversity exists, and hierarchies - along the axes of gender, race, sex, class, etc. - seek to subordinate & extirpate it, stamp it out of existence.

@johnsmith7140

8 ай бұрын

@@LizaFan lol

😂

This is a great introduction to the topic for anyone who might not know or understand it.

@johnsmith7140

3 ай бұрын

Lol

@TheVibes101

3 ай бұрын

​@@johnsmith7140 What about this video is factually incorrect?

2 ай бұрын

​@@TheVibes101almost every word.

@TheVibes101

2 ай бұрын

Nice way of dodging the question. Go on, debunk the video.

2 ай бұрын

​​@@TheVibes101ok. She makes an ethics claim that is based on nothing. Ethics arent derived from, nor practiced by wants and desires (unless you have the mind of a 2yr old). Nor does an individual define ethics. She's making a demand, based on fraudulent ideology, while attempting to disguise it under the guise of being 'ethical'. Her overall 'work' centered on 'deconstruction' is a wholly unintellectual and downright adolescent way of analysis.

Where is the science behind all these suppositions?

@johnsmith7140

8 ай бұрын

Lol

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

Butler have made multiple books and articles proving her point ?

@shakirasprisonguard6497

Ай бұрын

this is social science, smooth brain

Non-binary makes sense to me. What doesn’t is knowing a person who presents as female (wears skirts, bras, make up, etc) but uses male pronouns - gets pissed when people misgender the person initially. I get that what you have between your legs doesn’t define gender, …but something should. I get this isn’t ALL trans people, but I hate when any discussion is shot down

@dragonslayer101

Жыл бұрын

I think what you're confusing is gender expression and gender identity. A woman who expresses herself as masculine still identifies as woman and vise versa, same with nonbinary people too. Although, I do agree that I, an ambiguous nonbinary person should not expect everyone to gender me correctly when first meeting me. I understand from both sides however, on one side, I'm nervous that the person is transphobic and I'm too afraid to tell them my pronouns, and it's that gender dysphoria that comes with misgendering which I fear to encounter so much, that's also why I have a very specific friend group and try to tolerate others outside that group when introducing myself. But in the other, it's that understanding that even though being nonbinary and expressing oneself outside that binary is nothing new it is become gradually well known throughout our society and because of this, it wouldn't be a surprise that people still haven't adapted to using gender neutral pronouns to one individual (even though "they" has been used for singular and plural since the 1300's) but because nonbinary people are becoming more prevalent, it's seen as a new topic. And gender nonconforming people who dress as the opposite gender should not expect everyone to gender them correctly either because despite more acceptance of our kind, not everyone is educated on the topic so people tend to associate gender expression to correlate with one's gender identity even though I am tomboyish but also a little fem. I don't think it should hurt anyone if people like me, could correct them of it's a possibility.

@fretbuzz59

8 ай бұрын

What's between your legs DOES define gender. That's why gender and genital both begin with "gen."

@WiseOwl_1408

4 ай бұрын

Rip

@YourMomz07

4 ай бұрын

@@dragonslayer101 ...isn't identity and expression the same thing? if you "identify" as male, shouldn't you also "express" being male?

@johnsmith7140

3 ай бұрын

​@@fretbuzz59correct

This is a dangerous woman

Begone Satan ,begone Satan ,begone Satan.

@francescocerasuolo4064

10 ай бұрын

reality doesn't care about your feelings. there are more than two. cry.

@johnsmith7140

3 ай бұрын

​@@francescocerasuolo4064👈🤡😂

you do not need to accept other people's identity. nor should you be forced to accept their identity. she is wrong, dangerously wrong. i dont care or need anyone (nor do most sane people) to affirm what i know to be fact.

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

It's called being opened minded and kind

@geoffshein4992

3 ай бұрын

@@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb it's one thing to be kind, it's entirely different when people try to force you to believe in something that is clearly not true. If I view myself as a god, and demand that you address me as such - would you accept? Sure, when in your presence you might placate me for your own safety, but as soon as I leave you.... These individuals are t just asking you to be kind while they're in the room. They're asking society to redefine what is truth and if you don't accept , they want you canceled.

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

@geoffshein4992 the thing is you don't what gender theory and trans theory is so you shouldn't have an opinion on something that you know nothing about .

@vivienneb6199

Ай бұрын

@@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb Women have been told to "be kind" for centuries. Don't be a sexist.

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

Ай бұрын

@@vivienneb6199 yeah that's the point , and gender theory is about understanding and deconstructing those rules

Who cares.She looks like Charles dance.My fathers my mother and my sister is my brother. I care about sanity.Cause I thought I was nuts.But in 2023.Im actually quite lucid.

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

What ?

0:55 Respectfully, I disagree. Our job isn't to accept every self definition. Or maybe it is, but I don't think I'm convinced by this argument alone so I'm inviting someone else to expand. Mostly, I think the rationale here could pretty much be applied to every kind of definition that's vague enough. Can I simply say I'm a good person even if I never do anything good? Can we say you are not human if you don't see yourself as such? Personal take: I believe that definition is on the eye of the beholder, even though we all have an inner eye that points towards ourselves. I do believe ethically that we should ditch the rigid social roles of gender in favor of a more open view and we can encourage others to dive into largely unexplored areas of it. Or more precisely: we should ditch the idea that social roles of gender *need* to be rigid. However, I also believe that it's the responsibility of the person looking to break this perceptions to be seen as one, at least partially. A "woman" is something different for everyone, therefore for some people you will not be seen or perceived as a woman and for others you will be seen as a such. Try to be nice, but also make sense

@devynlei2445

Жыл бұрын

I see opportunity to expand so I will. The parts that stad out to me are: Gender isn't simply an adjective or descriptor, it is also a social construct. "Good" isn't. And a rigid understanding of language that is prescriptive. Although prescription has its place in scholarly writing, science, and tools such as the dictionary, when language is used for communication we should be descriptive. It's less about what the word means and more about how it is used. This is why a word like "damsel" once upon a time was gender neutral but overtime became more feminine due to its use. Eunuchs would be considered men today because the word "man" has changed to include them, but there was a time when eunuchs were a gender of their own. The Talmud, (a collection of Jewish legal traditions as examined from the Torah from which the biblical Old Testament is based upon,) recognizes six to eight genders for example. First, someone's gender and being a good person are not the same thing. Just as claiming to be an animal or creature isn't the same thing. There are no social roles for being good or bad or a dog or a cat because no one is a dog or a cat and everyone is a mix of good and bad traits- whatever those may be. But gender has roles and expectations attached to it that follow someone throughout their life. Women are X and men are Y, girls are A and boys are B. Second, definitions are not in the eye of the beholder. What is in the eye of the beholder are their biases and expectations for how people are supposed to behave, present, and express themselves. If I see a bearded woman, I may have trouble seeing her womanhood in my mind's eye but this does not negate her womanhood. Bi people are a good example, just because you can't see their bisexuality does not mean they are gay or straight no matter who you see them kissing. Third, it is true that some people will never be on board with seeing you for who you really are. But this is not about validation from others, people do not negotiate their sense of self with those around them. The illusion of this certainly exists, many people wrongfully believe they have power over someone's identity. As in if someone doesn't fit into a box in their head then that person isn't that thing. Fourth, this line of thinking isn't as practical or common sense as it may appear on its face. There are people that are not trans or non binary who simply do not fit into the boxes agreed upon by society that represent men and women. Ask any butch woman and many can tell you about being harrassed in the women's room for being perceived as a man despite not being one. Lastly, "ditching social roles of gender in favor of (a) more open view (of gender)" is not compatible with "it's the responsibility of the person looking to breakthrough." To "break through" in this case means to signal their gender identity to others in a recognizable way, which to be recognizable it would have to fit into what is already considered "in bounds" of whichever gender they are. This is what many trans people do because it makes their lives easier, but it isn't their responsibility, it's survival. My question: Why isn't it our job to accept every self definition? (I should point out that "every" is a loaded term in this case that apparently also includes "being a good person.") Is it our job then to challenge every self definition? When someone tells me they are a Christian am I supposed to put them on the defensive and have them justify their beliefs? I personally don't think so. It feels cold and unempathetic. Why should I do this with trans aligned peoples? If I did, wouldn't it have to look like enforcement of rigid gender roles by necessity? "If you want me to believe you're a man then you can't wear make up or all I see is the woman underneath." "If you want me to believe you're a woman then you're going to have to get surgery because your frame makes me see you as a man." "If you want to be seen as non binary, you have to be closer to my definition of adrogyny." I find it curious that when it comes to gender we as a society think we have claim to how others should be labelled. Is it a perfect system? No. There are going to be people who misuse labels and such. It reminds me of disabled activism, many people cannot accept that another person is disabled if it isn't "visible" enough, the onus to them is on the disabled to look as disabled as possible which does nothing for their liberation and just adds unneeded stress to their lives. This is how trans identity is as well. "If I can't see it, you're no really XYZ." Trans people are not trying to challenge rigid gender roles, we are trying to exist in a world that sees us and our lives as a challenge to the status quo. I understand that you may be concerned with trans people being accepted into mainstream society as something you support and want, things certainly would be easier if this were the case. However, if acceptance is only extended by the mainstream via respectability and adherence to the status quo then I would argue that this isn't true acceptance at all, it's tolerance at best. (Which is the bare minimum and all we can reasonably expect form anyone about anything. But we're still fighting for it, we are not post-tolerance so to speak. And even in the best case scenario it would leave out so many people, binary trans people that will never pass, non binary people as a whole since there is no role for us, intersex people for having bodies that don't align with our understanding of sex and gender, and of course cis people who for whatever reason do not pass for cis. If we accept self definition and determination, most of those issues could be alleviated. Thank you for posting your comment, I don't know if anything I said has value to you. But it means a lot to see someone skeptical of this issue who doesn't immediately fall back onto calling us mentally ill or delusional or following a trend or grooming children or or or

@FoxyFemBoi

Жыл бұрын

@@devynlei2445 I would point out "Good" is a social construct, at least insofar as you look at societies, and what is deemed good, acceptable, or right, changes throughout time and culture. Even sometimes based on what class you're in--which includes gender as a class construct, especially for most of human history, and even now as we try to deconstruct it as a class construct so that "men" and "women" are "equal". This is why you get so many apologists for slave-holders, people who have committed massacres or genocides, Jim Crow racists, etc, etc with some line like "They were different times." (Plus, at the very least, even among people who largely agree, when you get down to details, there will still be moral disagreements about what the right choices are, how much intent matters, etc, etc. I'm not a relativist, btw, I have a pretty starkly grounded moral compass personally, I just am aware that human culture and individuals have vastly different ideas of what constitutes "good" and are hugely flexible) Additionally, if you're looking at gender and the acceptability of trans people, it's largely a pretty recent (particularly the last 400 to 600 years) hegemonic colonial idea of "Western" Euro-centric culture that decided trans people (and other queer people) were unacceptable and "deviant" rather than an accepted part of at least a vast array of human societ(ies). I would agree that morality and gender ARE very different things, however. Their only relation is really how society views gender in terms of whether there is a hierarchy of gender and if it views trans or GNC individuals as deviant or even "wrong"/morally wrong in some way. I would additionally point out to OP that "accepting" every self definition and "not challenging" a self definition/how someone defines themself are two different things. I may not agree with what someone says about themself but that doesn't mean I have to decide to confront them about it, especially if it might do more harm than good (backfire effect or whatever). Telling someone, no, they're not a good person actually, is likely to trigger exactly that type of effect. Plus, the reason people challenging the binary definition of gender (or sex, or sex and gender not being the same thing, etc) *at all* is so scary to conservatives, particularly religious conservatives, is because it means people might choose to challenge their OWN self concepts. And conservatives absolutely rely on these types of strict ideas of world order, "sorting" systems, hierarchies (of gender, "gender roles/relations", sex, you name it), "natural" order, whatever you want to call it, to help control people and how they think both about themselves and other people/the world around them. Especially because if people can question something like the binary or gender roles, they might start questioning other systems taken for granted around them as "natural" or "absolute".

@jeffersonclippership2588

Жыл бұрын

If some guy introduces himself to you as "John", do you go into a rant on "accepting every self-definition" or do you refer to him by his chosen name?

@caitlinjopepe541

Жыл бұрын

@@devynlei2445 this was a great read, thank you for posting this! I had never heard of the Talmud, but it's always so validating to see examples of gender non conformity from history.

@thealmightyaku-4153

11 ай бұрын

@@jeffersonclippership2588 If someone introduces himself as Napoleon - as in _the_ Napoleon - do _you_ respect his identity? Not all self-appointed identities are valid, not all of them should be respected. A line has to be drawn somewhere.

Idiotic minds would be more accurate in this case.

@francescocerasuolo4064

10 ай бұрын

reality doesn't care about your feelings. there are more than two. cry.

@fretbuzz59

8 ай бұрын

@@francescocerasuolo4064 No, the reality, according to science, is that there are two, based on biological sex; that's why "gender" and "genital" have the same root. Butler's gibberish may *feel* right to you, but it's not. I hope that doesn't make you cry.

@francescocerasuolo4064

8 ай бұрын

@@fretbuzz59 the reality, according to science, embodies the complexities of real live phenomena and don't apply the short-sighted view of your r3t@rded brain, to anything. the low understanding you have of things is specifically your own.

@autogene1237

5 ай бұрын

'science is purely objective' fans when you tell them they elevate scientists to a god like position by acting like they are free from subjectivity and exist outside of cultural contexts and social conditions. we currently exist in a very binary gendered society. cope harder@@fretbuzz59

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

​@@fretbuzz59do you even know what gender is ?

seems prescriptive, anything is open to challenge i'd say. Even the way people describe themselves. They may be deluded, it might be helpful to challenge their own feelings about themselves, that's how therapy works.

Barking mad.

@francescocerasuolo4064

10 ай бұрын

reality doesn't care about your feelings. there are more than two. cry.

@Philognosis1

8 ай бұрын

@@francescocerasuolo4064More than two what?

@francescocerasuolo4064

8 ай бұрын

@@Philognosis1 gender/sexes

@johnsmith7140

3 ай бұрын

​@@francescocerasuolo4064lol

Surprised this comment section agrees with this conplete nonsense. Also, why does gender need to be undone?

@The-Silliest-Billy

11 ай бұрын

We had to be dumbed down through over a century of war, political and cultural distractions, declining educational quality, etc. for us to accept this wacky, useless, out-of-touch, cancerous fake academia. They can't make a cohesive case for why they want gender undone, they'll only appeal to fake experts and use emotional language because they are literally too dumbed down to elucidate their own position without resorting to a relativism that logically progresses into sollipsism.

@francescocerasuolo4064

10 ай бұрын

reality doesn't care about your feelings. there are more than two. cry.

@clizbot

9 ай бұрын

@@francescocerasuolo4064 there are only two sexes and gender isn’t real. Cry.

@clizbot

9 ай бұрын

@@francescocerasuolo4064 you’re the type of person whose never been in a fight. Or cried upon being hit. Bet. B E T. Don’t call me salty before you deny it to yourself. B E T

@francescocerasuolo4064

9 ай бұрын

@@clizbot you're the one crying here. keep crying, any knowledge of the social world disproves you. night.

what a scam

@francescocerasuolo4064

10 ай бұрын

reality doesn't care about your feelings. there are more than two. cry.

@Hey_Soos

10 ай бұрын

@@francescocerasuolo4064 uh no. try again

@francescocerasuolo4064

10 ай бұрын

@@Hey_Soos yeah AHAHAHAHAHAH, what a silly idiot, ignoring biology and sociology like it's cool, be silent, b1tch.

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

​@@Hey_Soosdo you even know what gender is ?

@johnsmith7140

3 ай бұрын

@@francescocerasuolo4064 name them please

She's not exactly a great mind.

>born a female >has breasts, female sex, etc >says "I'm a man" >Brain.exe has stoped working

@nio804

Жыл бұрын

Is it really such a difficult concept to understand? Are you defined by your body parts? What if you lose those body parts somehow? Does that change who you are? Why do you let the circumstances of your birth define what you are, when you have the power to change it and be what you want to be?

@rogersebastian690

Жыл бұрын

i don't see why people find it clever and amusing to talk about how unwilling they are to think even slightly outside the box.

@dragonslayer101

Жыл бұрын

>Born close minded >Raised uneducated >Says hurtful comments towards minorities >Brain: haha me smart, me think I know better!🤪

@nio804

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonslayer101 I kinda get what you're going for, but let's be fair: no-one is born close-minded. Biases and bigotry are taught to people, not something that's natural. Fortunately that means they can be recognized and unlearned with introspection.

@Liloldliz

Жыл бұрын

> brain recognises self as male > some internet rando gets offended > brain remains dudely stay mad

😂

@ZakariaBelhaj-bl9fb

3 ай бұрын

Use your words