The contradiction is in your small mind Sir. Such Analyst lack intelligence

@Theophilus72

18 күн бұрын

you had to resort to an insult

@kagisozulu1253

18 күн бұрын

Lol you can say that again. How can saying that he doesn't have ill feelings or let by gones be by gones remove the fact that the judges are still biased? Useless analyst

@sandilezulu3973

18 күн бұрын

His level of reasoning is concerning

Who ZUMA think he is to come up always to request everyone recusal on his matters? There is no reason at all for the recusal.

Very poor analysis, from the man in studio, if the judges recuse themselves, the acting judges will be added to the remaining 5 judges

SA Chief Justice Raymond Zondo already said he wil never be part of any case involving Jacob Zuma bcos he was part of ConCourt to sent him to Jail for 15 months

You are mistaken Bro. Thats not what the section says. You are deliberately putting a fullstop unduly. Read the whole section and empower us we who are lay on matters of law.

@nonjikocyril4274

19 күн бұрын

You could tell he's stopping himself from saying the full section because it's going to dwarf his analysis 😂😂😂

@johanesmuruti5799

19 күн бұрын

​@@JNjingayamoto😮

@johanesmuruti5799

19 күн бұрын

​@😮JNjingayamoto

@johanesmuruti5799

19 күн бұрын

​@@JNjingayamotome 😮

Very naive analysis shame for the poor man

Very poor analysis

This analysis is and on itself biased. The reasonable apprehension of bias standard is subjective and not objective, therefore, the third person analogy is incorrect. The correct standard is you check whether the complaint’s bias allegation is reasonable.

Analyst cannot always be right sometimes they analyze nonsense

@penekedirero4636

19 күн бұрын

Nonsense is the fraudulent mk.

@garudzoziyaduma6137

19 күн бұрын

Superb example of that.

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Especially if it is not favoring U

@EdwardMyeza-eg1nr

18 күн бұрын

@@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 besides that analyst need to neutral they must suggest that in their analysis who must do what....for example if they say IEC is well within their rights of taking someone matter on judicial review to the constitutional court whereas the law says an electoral court decision is final it cannot be appealed out....analyst should first read the law....and comment....take also an example on this case of Zuma application for concourt judges to recuse themselves....when they comment they must say Zuma stands a slim chance to succeed but they must first read the law and found out if concourt was within the legal framework when they sentence Zuma if they were not in terms of section 47 i stand to be corrected it says everyone under the constitution of this country must be given a fair chance in terms of the law....to have their matter argued before the court with all legal processes followed.....in a nutshell if analyst wish to put his point of view forward he must first read the law and comment because he might say the court was right bur only to find that the court itself errored

The mere fact that the same judges made an unconstitutional judgement and incarcerated a person without trial and even said this requires departure from norm, shows that they should not be hearing any matter concerning Zuma.

@garethbarry3825

19 күн бұрын

Zuma was sentenced for contempt of court- he refused to appear at the commission despite being ordered to do so. Secondly, a judge's recusal due to conflict has nothing to do with the fact that he/she may have ruled againt you. You do not get to demand a judge recuse themself because you as the complainant feels that the judge is biased against you- thats not how the law works. Otherwise anyone who has a judgement against them could simply demand the judge recuse themself. Goodness, the insanity of Zuma cultists...

@khaya7272

19 күн бұрын

@garethbarry3825 There was a High Court review that was pending on the recusal application. The NGHC was bypassed by Zondo and went for ConCourt.

@user-rj4dr6bt6m

19 күн бұрын

A judge sits on thousands of cases in his / her lifetime. When the same criminal appear on different crimes before the judge, why must the judge recuse himself? No! The criminal must rehabilitate himself or get more severe punishment!

@garethbarry3825

18 күн бұрын

@@khaya7272 and why was that wrong for Zondo to do so? Surely it is better for justice to be immediate? The fact is that there is zero, literally ZERO legal basis for the recusal of judges, as there is ZERO basis for Zuma's private prosecution of Maughan and Downer. But, once again, there is no point trying to reason with a Zuma cultist- you people do not employ reasoning.

The usual excuse to delay things, "recuse"

Not every convicted can stand in the public office because not everyone got his or her sentence reduced, this man is very bias or poor analysis

This is a different matter before the court with different issues.

Clearly when people see conflicted they must nor get involved, you can't check if you dicesions are correct somebody else must check that

Where did you find this guy. my grade 5 neice would have better arguments

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Leave your niece, come up with your own analysis pleeeeease

Dali Mpofu knows that the party EC is about to be spoiled hence this ploy.... This is not going to work....

Is Ramaphosa a man of integrity wena analyst?0r a man of phalaphala

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

So as Zuma who killed everything in his 9 wasted years. Sold the country 2 zuptas. His family MKP will evaporate into thin air watch the space

@Bubu521

18 күн бұрын

@@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 please tell me 1 thing done by ramaphosa,just one

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

He is dealing with corruption & resuscitating the state destroyed during the 9 wasted years when SA was auctioned 2 guptas. Where is dudu myeni, nomgcobo jiba, that sars guy, koko, molefe?????? The list is endless. We r cleansing the state whether u like it or not siyaqhuba. Oduduzane wil b wearing orange onse soon watch the space

Analyst should be up to speed before they are interviewed.

Clearly the issues are different and the test is different, here it’s about the interpretation of Section 47(1)(e) and not about the appeal of his conviction or sentence… if it was about an appeal, his argument would hold water. The test to determine a correct interpretation of a section in the constitution is different to a test to determine an appeal hence perceived bias does not arise when the issue on the former is being dealt with. Very interesting because Justice Unterhalter was criticised for arguing during the Jsc interview that he doesn’t believe that you need to recuse yourself in a matter that you formed part of the bench as long as a different test is to be applied in that Court.

They must recuse themselves for justice woth or without facts. Fair treatment.

...sick n tired of hearing about Zuma... Sick n tired of Ramaphosa... Sick n tired of Malema...

@helpermlekeleli8057

19 күн бұрын

You forgot Steenhuisen and Mulder

@shafiyaalgiquadra1105

19 күн бұрын

Ramaphosa has been utterly good to the Dutch settler, you are being extremely unreasonable.

@peace-loving-bt3dz

18 күн бұрын

​@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105you also a settler,you come from the north 😂😂😂😂

@shafiyaalgiquadra1105

18 күн бұрын

@@peace-loving-bt3dz you can't settle your own backyard, good sir, if that were the case.

i believe the analysis is weak if it still based on the constitution because the application for recusal is based on apprehension of bias against the mentioned judges who previously overlooked the same constitution when dealing with the matter involving president JG Zuma.

@user-rj4dr6bt6m

19 күн бұрын

..."president" Zuma? No! Ex convict Zuma? Or 'rape accused' Zuma? Or 'fire pool Zuma'? Or "VBS looter Zuma"? Consider any of the above titles but not 'president'?

@theaskmembuyazi

18 күн бұрын

I can't tell you to read If you're so embedded in media propaganda cos that what it is. If you read the struggle of President JG Zuma, and obstacles he faced to deny him to move through the ranks of the ANC structures despite the constitution allowing him, and all the sabotage of his administration, and the pursuit of him after his term, should give you enough motivation to seek for the truth. But for now the focus is on the biasness of some Judges in constitutional court against him, n if you have some level of understanding of the law, you'll know he have reasonable grounds. Whether they accept it or not is neither here nor there.

You are missing it bro .. wrong interpretation

He is working at UCT, then gets airtime… its obvious.

Very intelligent Mr. Benjamin uyaphapha Nhlanhla ungenaphi uBenjamin endabeni zeDC yeANC. Uphoxekile ngalokuphapha kwakho. Yikho nje unganayo inhlonipho ubiza uMsholozi ngo Jacob Zuma ekuzala. Stallebosh stoogies uyanyanyisa

@lahlichauke8335

19 күн бұрын

but his name is Jacob Zuma...

This analyst is not make sure

off side sir you should have reserved the comments just for your office

There are 15 000 candidates sent to IEC. The question is why IEC is only interested in Zuma as if it is Zuma only who can be disqualified. Your guest says what will happen to the vote of people who will vote for Zuma but the question remains why only Zuma out of 15k candidates?

The 2021 judgement also tends to be unconstitutional because the judgment could not be found against another constitutional Provision if the Former President could not appeal where an appeal is a constitutional provision. Fact: apprehension of bias may exist

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

How do u appeal against an apex court. Hey wena go & do a research

Adv. MPOFU is definitely a disgrace. He knows that decision by the Electoral Court was irrational as there is no ground of law to allow ZUMA to be a MP. Good analysis. Now the Concourt has to look at the Sect. 47 of Constitution's prohibition. The Electoral Court has no right to decide the sentence of Concourt for ZUMA's contempt of Court had no permission to appeal.

@peace-loving-bt3dz

18 күн бұрын

Mpofu is making good money of Zuma,😂😂😂😂,Sars should investigate the source of all that funds,

@thefairobserver97

18 күн бұрын

@@peace-loving-bt3dz MPOFU also certainly shared with former PP MKWEBANE those over R 50 million of legal fees. My view is that MPONU is unable to run his profession taking normal clients. He takes these cases under the financing of either the state or any form of sponsorship.

Was contempt of court a serious crime?

They should adhere to the request and do a noble thing to recuse themselves. The gentleman is biased that's why he says there is a contradiction from Zuma and MK.He is a part of the problem and was captured long time ago as he is the part of the group.

There is a dilemma here for which a logical evaluation will be needed. Should there be accepted that the reemission reduces the sentence, then, we will have a much prodder problem as the Executive will be changing decisions by the Appex Court.

This analyst is WRONG. There must be a solid ground of reasons for Judges to recuse themselves.

@peace-loving-bt3dz

18 күн бұрын

The problem is not with the judges,everyone knows the "shit"that surounds JZ,call a spade a spade ,STOP LIVING IN DENIAL,only the truth will set you free,

there is nothing as annoying as this NGO who said they run SA, this is just utter nyoso. why do we have to be told about the opinion of these people who are not even running any institution in this country, they have their own agenda and the so called media gives them airtime for no reason.

@khaya7272

19 күн бұрын

There's a reason for inviting the biased NGOs. The intention is to sway public opinion.

@syabongsmfeka6720

18 күн бұрын

@@khaya7272 I understand that, the mainstream news media is always pushing a particula agenda that is why I don't trust them. Anything that happens they rush to call this NGO this is so tiring, only gullible people will buy this rubbish.

We have Ramaphosa girlfriends as analysts now.The country is moving foward. Intergrity of putting dollars under sofa.

Sick and tired of hearing this selfish Zuma name here

its unfortunate that this gentleman does not explain the main reason why the electoral court dismissed the IEC case , the electoral court dismissed the case because the 15 months sentence does not comply with section 47 (1) (e) as it was no option of appeal, is not at all about the so called remission

The analyst is proof as to why people must recuse themselves. His hate for Zuma is blinding him, and he ends up making dumb analysis. Bring fresh people to have a look at these things, please. It is hard to change positions onces taken, its human nature.

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Zuma recently won twice against ANC. Justice was priced bcoz it favored him when things r against him. U talk of hatred pliz b partial 4 once. Don't b driven by emotions & blind loyalty

@masiya3802

18 күн бұрын

​@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 the person who seems to be driven by emotions is you. I was talking about a specific matter which is going to the CC and you are generalizing talking about won cases. Here we are talking about recusal if persons who were previously involved in this matter. The question is should they recuse or not.

Sum1 once said leave JGZ to rest he is old or u will unrest.fair move anc

for anyone wanting to just this debate here is the text section 47 1-e e. anyone who, after this section took effect, is convicted of an offence and sentenced to more than 12 months imprisonment without the option of a fine, either in the Republic, or outside the Republic if the conduct constituting the offence would have been an offence in the Republic, but no one may be regarded as having been sentenced until an appeal against the conviction or sentence has been determined, or until the time for an appeal has expired. A disqualification under this paragraph ends five years after the sentence has been completed.

Good analysis, Zuma must fall, he's selfish and corrupt

This guy's assessment of the judgment of the electoral court is flawed. He notes only the additional ground of Modiba J, but ignores the judgment of Zondi J, which every member of the court concurred in. His understanding of the foundation of the bais point is also flawed.

Crazy analysis

Nothing contradictory on asking the proved to be bias judges to recuse them selves, especially because Zondo had been going to media bashing Zuma, we don't run short of judges in SA,

Ther is no urgency here since IEC is askin for clarity not appealing the judgement of the electoral court.. even if the ConCourt defines differently from the Electoral court...the IEC should first appeal the judgement to the supreme Court of appeal then to ConCourt. But ke SA has created Zuma laws and captured Judiciary.

There's no contradiction, I might have made peace, but that doesn't mean the justices would not feel they have to defend their position.

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Totally 2 different cases qwaba

Part and parcel of Stalingrad

Some RSA scholars are dome finish and klaar

Bra you should not have accepted that interview. Le wena you hear yourself

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Bcoz his analysis is not what u want 2 hear. Mnxiiiiiiiim

How on earth cld zuma dictate to the court mst excuse themself zupta dimension

This guy doesn't know anything

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

What do U know. Analyse 4 us😂

A self appointed ringmaster trying to whip a circus into an opera.its not going to happen. The embarrassing mess will just get bigger + the cacophony louder.

This man is trying to sound professional and balanced.but unfortunately he is clearly biased

The manner in which Zuma is undermining the country's laws shows exactly what happened during his term and what will happen if MK comes to power . It is so unfortunately that many don't realize the danger that the country will be exposed to. Remember July 2021.

Zuma thinks he is above our constitution and law. He must prepare for his "Arms Deal" trail

@user-ww5qw8jd3b

19 күн бұрын

He is not. He wants to delay till the law would say that he is legally too old to go to the jail

Analyst that are called to push a certain agenda/narrative 😂😂

STALINGRAD

Nop bhuti

Cha new Africa ave nichemile njalo nihlezi nixoxa izinto ezibhedayo ngozuma siyanibuka sivele ngomfantu wesivalo

The fact he still contridiction that does not exits shows how shallow thinking he is Forgiving someone who wronged you by "letting things go under the bridge" is diffrent to allowing the same person a chance to wrong uou again, which is what they are saying! This is a stuoid analysisi.

It’s laughable that self proclaimed experts with no legal background in these streets find comfort to discredit the analysts who have wealth of knowledge on the subject; all in the name of one Gheflehlekisa Zuma.

He is so contradictory himsel.Look yourself in the mirror broer.Think before you answer

Nah... this guy is out of order...

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Bring order come up with your own analysis

It's Ramaphosa analysts always on side of Ramaphosa

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

So u want zuma analyst 2 side with zuma

@mxolisiclement1767

18 күн бұрын

@@ntsikeleloedwardvena82 kusemnyama lakuwe,usayinkwenkwe

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Uzabubona ubumnyama xa kugqitywa kubalwa Emma kwe29 ningamfumenanga u2/3rd majority. Ndina40 years ndivela ehlathini andikwazi kuba yinkwenkwe

next time get a real analyst, not just anything that doesnt know nothing

This analyst is so poor in reasoning.

They are biased judge him without trial

Was a serious crime commit by President Zuma? What is a serious crime, and does the contempt of court fall under "serious crimes"?

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Crime was committed hence 15 months.. Awuyazi lonto

@azokuhlemanyoni3240

18 күн бұрын

With all due respect, there is what's called petty crime and serious crime. The constitution refers to serious crime, therefore what I am simply asking is a contempt of court labeled as petty or a serious crime?

President Zuma is very smart

@VeeShenge

19 күн бұрын

No he is not.

@felixmoyoedonmi

19 күн бұрын

Mr Zuma is an evil genius.

@Qotha

19 күн бұрын

A genius

@sanelisiwedlamini7142

19 күн бұрын

​@@VeeShengeyes he is 🤣🤣🤣 why u jealous

@VeeShenge

19 күн бұрын

@@sanelisiwedlamini7142 Okay, whatever you say einstein.

You're so young to be a money puppet, sis!

This one is talking rubbish

😢. 😮 Remission implies reducing the period of the sentence without changing its character. The 15 months imprisonment remains Mr Zuma's sentence. Remission doesn't change that.

@cebova2873

19 күн бұрын

Can you explain this further.

@SbongokuhleNgobese

19 күн бұрын

How can you say the remission doesn't mean anything when it's reduce the sentence? The reality is that it does reduce the sentence. Some people are personal when they analyse this matter 😂

@trustingnobody628

19 күн бұрын

@cebova2873 OK. He was sentenced to 15 months imprisonment without an option of a fine. Meaning he was supposed to be in prison for 15 months, which, when calculated according to the rules of the Dept of Correctional Services, would still be less time. Now, let's go to remission: There, the character of his sentence doesn't change. It's 15 months imprisonment to be served. There came the State President or whoever has authority, and that person reduced the number of months he had to serve by allowing him to serve only three months and did so out of mercy and the authority s/he carries. He had to serve that 3 months without the 15 months having been changed at all. For instance, if you owe me R5000.00 and see that you have difficulty in paying it. I might decide on my own to ask you to pay back R2000.00, and I will release you. You pay it. That doesn't change the fact that you owe me R5000.o. But I have forgiven/ released you from paying the whole amount out of sympathy. You will never pay me the rest. I so wish this is clear.

@shawn2278

19 күн бұрын

So who will pay the remaining R3000?

@thokozanjapha1325

19 күн бұрын

@@trustingnobody628 You must listen to Dali Mpofu, when explaining remission, he even mentioned that je is one of the people who is not happy about that because it took the judiciary powers. The example you have used of R5000, if I pay the money you said I must pay you it means I don't owe you a cent after I paid the agreed amount. It is clear.

I can’t listen to this kaak

No guy's this analyst is not good in analysis.

😂😂😂😂

When you fall short of knowledge you must go and seek it without dragging others in your knowledge bankruptcy. IEC should have approached the Court in their own time for a tutirial classes. Don't make your emergency other people's urgency.

these journalists MUST start by asking these guests ,this simple question ,which i blive WILL TELL US WHETHER WE HAVE AN HONEST PERSON OR NOT.the question SHOULD BE "WAS THE CC FAIR OR CORRECT TO SEND JACOB ZUMA TO JAIL WITHOUT A TRIAL n NO CHANCE TO APPEAL ? that question will expose a lot of deceivers i tell u

@shafiyaalgiquadra1105

19 күн бұрын

True but that is not what the mainstream media is for.

@user-ww5qw8jd3b

19 күн бұрын

They are not deceivers

@peace-loving-bt3dz

18 күн бұрын

Stop living in denial, not all south africans are stupid,

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Hey wena how do appeal on apex court. Go & do a research

Zuma’s fans are now turning into law experts.. arguing with with an academic but saying nothing at the same time. Uvele ubone ukuthi weee.. empty! empty!

@user-ww5qw8jd3b

19 күн бұрын

🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

This analyst is very week.

SA Analysts?...😂😂😂😂 How do they get these things wrong the majority of time.

Bs analysis....yu can't sent a boy to do a man's job....Zondo himself said he was happy that he sent Zuma tu jail....in simple analysis from me....these r the judges that sent him to jail so do yu think they will now say we were wrong by sending Zuma tu jail........they must find the interim judges and seat for the matter period. This boy uyabheda nje.

Those who always say president Zuma is old let them tell the nation who is not old in parliament is Ramadola, Phala Phala, mantashe,Naledi ponder and many others like Beki Cela are young? They are just driven by hatrate for pres aaZuma

@user-ww5qw8jd3b

19 күн бұрын

Zuma is more than 10yrs older than them.

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Do not worry about zuma's age. He is not going 2 parliament. He won't forfeit his benefits bcoz of this thing MKP. Watch the space when he sponsors his family member 2 lead u, his blind loyalists

Zuma is not a judge that can 'judge' the Constiturional Court judges. Bizar! He is a criminal that is destined to rot in jail!

@user-ww5qw8jd3b

19 күн бұрын

He wants weak minded judges so that his lawyers can intimidate them

@colilukhele4320

19 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂

Worst analysis I've ever heard.

This man ain't an analyst 💯🤞 if you want to talk qbout section 47[1]e , then he must read the whole section and what it says🤞💯 the same section talks about having possibility of appeal, which Zuma never had that opportunity and that means his sentence is not applicable to that section🤞💯 Secondly Zuma got a remission and we all know what that means, it means his sentence got reduced to 3 months. The media is trying so hard to invite haters to come lie to people in the hope that people don't read the section themselves and understand what it means

@ntsikeleloedwardvena82

18 күн бұрын

Concourt is an apex court. How do u then appeal? Go & do a research wena maan

They must refuse themselves

U r jst a domkop analyst, by saying it's water under the bridge meant what happened happened there is nothing they can do to change that

They give you a platform to talk and wena you come and kak

This guy is Bias him self there's nothing nothing contradictory here ...

How is that a win for judiciary when judges are requested to recuse themselves? Bro you are not fit to be analyst.

Now this is one individual who believes he is a paragon of all things legal. I have faith in our judiciary that it will rule in favour of the rule of law. His constant litigation game must come to an end.

@sifisodube4686

19 күн бұрын

Wow what a good comment thanks for your smart ness. For not being political but to use your brains and talking about the law which many of us we lack knowledge. I really appreciate and respect you. I so wish South Africans should learn from you not to be politically every time big up smart person

@fanamlawuli6761

19 күн бұрын

​@@sifisodube4686zolwe, when this dube character from Zim applauds you, you must know that you have said something stupid and need to review yourself, howzit it sfisos 😉🤣🤣🤣

@biko8229

19 күн бұрын

@@fanamlawuli6761 😂🤣😂🤣😂

If zondo did not recuse himself during the state capture now it will be a walk in the park since he is Chief Justice This is a tragedy to the South African people . A shame on their judiciary system coz clearly it is not ours

What you talking doesn't make sense maybe you don't understand why Zuma don't want this judges

@user-ww5qw8jd3b

19 күн бұрын

He doesn't want them cos he cannot intimidate them

@user-lf8xp2lw7b

18 күн бұрын

He knows they are there to represent ramaphosa

Way to go zuma..you show the traitors and the cabal they serve

If we are all to choose who should judged our cases.... Then i will choose my mother...Zuma has no choice here...can the con court do its job...it is yet another delaying tactic.i do not remember any person choosing his own judge....are we sure this case is by con court...???are safe with this laws....

@isintu1044

19 күн бұрын

He has a choice shame it's your constitution 😂😂😂😂😂

@user-ud4fc9lp4g

19 күн бұрын

it's in our constitution ......last time i was arrested i only saw the judge in court.....

@Qotha

19 күн бұрын

You wish he had no choice

@felixmoyoedonmi

19 күн бұрын

​@isintu1044 Sorry, mate. No one on earth or in heaven has a right to choose the judges in his case. If Mr Zuma has evidence that there is reasonable ground of prejudice against him, he must argue that in the court.

@user-ud4fc9lp4g

19 күн бұрын

i thought so...the con court must do its job...

It is an issue don't play nuisance

This analysis is nosense,he always analysing against Zuma and Mk

This Mbekezeli guy should stop acting like Anc general secretary.He is so bias and sometimes i wonder if he understand the law.Period

Why is Zondo no holding Ramakhala accountable for Phala Phala its always about Zuma,,, double standards this kind of judiciary will cost SA lot