civil asset forfeiture negates due process

@havenbastion

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with due process is that it's literally whatever they say it is. It's the same stupid game as "cruel and unusual punishment", when they make cruelty common and then do as they please because it's not unusual.

@interestedparty00

3 жыл бұрын

Nah. It’s impossible to “manage by committee”. EOs are necessary. What we need to stop are EOs that exceed the authority of the person issuing them.

@doglatin205

3 жыл бұрын

@@kidwave1 Amen to that!... Governed by consent, not by executive order... Executive orders or any order without consent is a dictatorship (a form of slavery/communism) don’t be the slaves they want us to be.

@miscbits6399

3 жыл бұрын

@@kidwave1 Masks, vaccination and public health issues are explicitly covered in Jaccobson vs Massechusetts, 1905. I suggest you read up on it and how often it's been both cited/upheld in the last 115 years

@totallyjonesin

3 жыл бұрын

@@kidwave1 You appear to have read the constitution and understand it.

It's difficult for me to hear about civil forfeiture without becoming angry ...

@johnaverick7468

3 жыл бұрын

Ya Think !

@bestof.luckfellowhumans

3 жыл бұрын

Yep

@dsandoval9396

3 жыл бұрын

It's absolutely disgusting how officers of the law are allowed _by law_ to act like genuine criminals. This video was music to my ears.

@ClockworkWyrm

3 жыл бұрын

EVERYONE should get angry about this! It's utterly disgusting.

@walterhoward5686

3 жыл бұрын

Makes me want to take someone offshore fishing !

Civil asset forfeiture is like school bullies stealing you lunch money with the principal's approval.

@ExtraLargeGarfield

Ай бұрын

its like teachers stealing your money with the principal’s approval

@123ElectricMonkey

Ай бұрын

The bully gives the principal 20 percent and gets straight As

@mocaeldoercomual9651

Ай бұрын

(You're Close....but....It's the "Principal" that sent the bullies in the first place!)

@beeenn649

Ай бұрын

For the record, Joe Biden voted for this. Gor "Govtrac" and look up H. J. RES. 648 if you think I'm full of it.

@brianwhite3428

15 күн бұрын

It sounds like the Police are double dipping They have a State Budget Plus, money from Civil Asset Forfeiture

The cops getting to keep the money they steal or even the stolen assets split with the Feds is a huge conflict of interest.

police: "we gave someone else the $17,000, your honor." judge: "then I guess you're out $34,000."

@marksmith8079

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, they didn't give away someone else's money. They gave their away own money. Imagine a court case, that money I owe you, I gave it someone else. That is convincing.

@wolvenar

3 жыл бұрын

Not really. The 17,000 wasn't legally theirs to begin with. So they are out 17,000 they gave away to the feds.

@Rickinsf

3 жыл бұрын

Take it out of the police pension fund. That'll stop it.

@kinshayawarrior8870

3 жыл бұрын

I'd tell them to pay the guy his $17k and they can chase the feds to get their money back.

@probro9898

3 жыл бұрын

$70,000 is $17,000. It's meaningless to talk about "this" $17,000 or "that" $17,000. It's stupid for the police to say they "can't" pay this man's $17,000 because they don't have that "particular" $17,000 anymore. (It reminds me of the time Paddington Bear complained to the bank because he couldn't withdraw exactly the same £1 note he'd deposited six months before.)

That Judge is a True Hero.

@norml.hugh-mann

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@lukaszforster

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you guys can get rid of this crazy civil asset forfeiture shenanigans soon. 🤯

@EASTSIDERIDER707

3 жыл бұрын

and government is corrupt. I hate politics, but love The Constitution.

@danielsullivan9865

3 жыл бұрын

@@EASTSIDERIDER707 the Constitution is great but it is not being protected by the Supreme Court

@roberteskew7320

3 жыл бұрын

Or for once not the villan?

the judge needs to be commended and promoted

It seems that civil asset forfeiture quickly degenerated to legalized banditry. At least in Mexico, paying the police gives you benefits.

@caseystrange

7 ай бұрын

A lot of Reagan era laws are fucking up this country.

@beeenn649

Ай бұрын

For the record, Joe Biden voted for this. Gor "Govtrac" and look up H. J. RES. 648 if you think I'm lying.

How are kids supposed to play cops and robbers when they're the same thing?!

@admthrawnuru

3 жыл бұрын

@@icecold9511 lol, please tell me he didn't become a real cop.

@havenbastion

3 жыл бұрын

@@icecold9511 It could just be he'd seen a Tarantino movie, just saying.

@havenbastion

3 жыл бұрын

@@icecold9511 You know Barney is where sociopathy is born, right?

@SaintTrinianz

3 жыл бұрын

🤣

@martyk1156

3 жыл бұрын

There is a criminal code of honor.

People who inherently trust the government need to watch stories like this one.

@WildBikerBill

3 жыл бұрын

I know people like this. They always have an excuse. In this case, the cops finding $17K cash. They conveniently can't imagine any legitimate reason (as if the limits of their imagination should be the basis for making law) why someone would be carrying that much cash. And it certainly isn't ever going to happen to THEM, therefore it is no problem.

@ragmon1000

3 жыл бұрын

If they inherently trust gov't, then watching the truth will likely not help them.

@ragmon1000

3 жыл бұрын

Lawyers created this evil because lawyers essentially are evil.

@ragmon1000

3 жыл бұрын

Gov't tell us violence is not the answer, while at the same time using violence for their criminal activity.

@ragmon1000

3 жыл бұрын

I support a law that sentences the DEATH sentence for those that have implemented and executed this evil that has ruined so many lives. If that sounds crazy, then is it more crazy than the same people being held to ZERO accountability for ruining lives unconstitutionally?

Civil Asset Forfeiture is a violation of human rights

The judge could order jail time, but who is going to physically put them in the cell? Corrupt cops don't put themselves in jail.

@childofodin

8 ай бұрын

The sheriff is over that

@cautious1343

8 ай бұрын

@@childofodin I wonder what percentage of sheriff's are corrupt in the US?

@bluedistortions

3 ай бұрын

Every now and then you'll see a sheriff and his deputies put their hands on their revolvers after cops have refused an order by a judge about 50 times, and then the cops reluctantly do what they're told.

The craziest thing is that the police actually would rather give the money away than give it back to the rightful ownwer

@robdeskrd

3 жыл бұрын

Bro they ain't giving anything away, the feds hold it for awhile and give it back later and they get cut

@martinhanke1670

3 жыл бұрын

If they give it back, it'll look like they weren't supposed to take it in the first place. Can't have that.

@willlawson6126

3 жыл бұрын

@@martinhanke1670 exactly.

@bobjohnson9012

3 жыл бұрын

They are criminals trying to cover there ass

@kimalonzo4912

3 жыл бұрын

It not only sounds criminal but spiteful as well.

This man deserves more than his money back, everything he spent to get it back too.

@mikelastpass689

3 жыл бұрын

He should get 3X the money he spent to get it back.!! Once Pesidence is set... Just watch how fast this Stops!!

@jpmnky

3 жыл бұрын

Yep. And then some. Plus the resignation of anyone involved in this game.

@normastone1044

3 жыл бұрын

@@mikelastpass689 I think you meant to write the word "precedent".

@mikelastpass689

3 жыл бұрын

@@madmax8620 A LOT!!

@lauriestlyon8773

3 жыл бұрын

In the UK even if it is the government the loser pays the winners legal costs. As I understand it there is a power in US courts to order your costs paid but is rarely used.

Judge could have ordered the city to pay the gentleman $17k out of city funds, and placed the burden on the police to get their money back from the feds.

Civil asset forfeiture should NEVER be a thing EVER !!!

The older i get i realize how corrupt officials are. I feel like a idiot for all these years for believing officials are honest and trustworthy.

@olebloom1641

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't make E5 in the Army for refusing to say honorable in front of a senators name. I was happy with that. Corrupt bastards should be in front of their names.

@nowhereman7398

3 жыл бұрын

I've been trying to tell people since the mid 70's. Nobody cared, or listened.

@liquidragonfu5546

3 жыл бұрын

Well you were lol

@bobspizza7444

3 жыл бұрын

@@nowhereman7398 no one still cares it's just the democrats fault or republicans fault and nothing changes

@VSMOKE1

3 жыл бұрын

Better late then never

Asset confiscation is a billion dollar industry; people should be alarmed, angered, & demand that it end.

@laughingdaffodils5450

3 жыл бұрын

That's no industry. Industries produce something of value. This is just legalized robbery.

@mikeo7803

3 жыл бұрын

Its a service industry. This is how they protect us

@markscott9622

3 жыл бұрын

The people involved in it need to be publicly named and shamed

@johnnymcblaze

3 жыл бұрын

People should? People ARE fat, lazy and stupid. And they openly prefer sweet lies to hard truths.

@77yogurt

3 жыл бұрын

I just read somewhere that "civil asset forfeiture" brings more money than burglary last year!!! The government is making more money than the "criminals"!!

I remember this was happening with firearms in Louisiana after Katrina. Police would stop you and ask you if you have a gun in your car(its perfectly legal to have a gun in your car in Louisiana), they would then confiscate the gun and tell you to come pick it up at the station once you could prove it belonged to you. I know many of those firearms never went to the station, they went to the into that cops private collection.

@curtisa3069

Жыл бұрын

I had a relative who had a rare, expensive shotgun that got seized under questionable circumstances. No one was ever convicted of any crime. He had lots of relatives in that area. He went to the sheriff’s department and told them if anyone was seen with that shotgun, they would die. Then mentioned that he had a few hundred relatives in the area that would be watching. The next day, his lost shotgun was found and returned to him. Sometimes small towns and innumerable relatives can work for you.

@HHTW2022

Жыл бұрын

Had an FTA warrant arrest in Dothan, AL a few years ago while driving. Cop seized a handgun for safe keeping and told me where to pick it up from. The woman working the desk tells me I need the original receipt to get it back. I told her I didn't have it, and she tells me it's forfeited. Things got escalated, and one of the Sergeant's come out to see what the yelling was about. Before she had time to say anything, I asked him, "Hey, if I run a red light, and you discover a gun in the car, would you run the number to make sure it wasn't stolen?" Of course, he said yes, so I asked, "If the gun doesn't come back as stolen, do I need to show you a receipt before I leave the scene?" "No, that's stupid... why would you have to show a receipt?" Five minutes later, I walked out with my gun. She tried the "It was seized during an arrest and not a traffic stop.", but he asked her if it was used in the commission of any crimes, she said no, and he said "Then give it back."

@georgesheffield1580

7 ай бұрын

Or sold to criminals or used most likely as "throw down " guns .

"A court order without consequences is merely a suggestion."

And the cops wonder why they get less respect every day

@johnaverick7468

3 жыл бұрын

It's the effing " law makers " you better focus on. The cop is just their minion !

@Bastillius

3 жыл бұрын

The police are implementers of City policy

Surely the person who signed off on sending the money to the Feds is guilty of contempt of court for attempting to pre empt the court case.

@jphogannet

3 жыл бұрын

Problem is it would most likely play out like: "He did it." "But She told me to." You would probably end up getting the name of some low level clerk who actually did the sending but had no input into the decision to do so. Meanwhile, the person who ultimately ordered it probably put three degrees of separation in there for just this reason. They would take the 5th and whoever says, "He/She told me to do it." would be 1> Hearsay and 2> The next best suspect.

@virt1one

3 жыл бұрын

that's what I was thinking.... "someone's name is on that action, and that person should already be considered in contempt of court." I also wonder, did they "black hole" the check - send it somewhere in the government they know it won't be cashed? (maybe even to a department they know someone in that's going to sit on it and then "lose" it) Because then they get to say they don't have it anymore, AND they get to keep it anyway.

@brt5273

3 жыл бұрын

They routinely charge people with destruction of or tampering with evidence if the person has disposed or destroyed something before they were ever directly investigated or charged with a crime, if what they destroyed or disposed of was considered potential evidence after the fact. How the police handled the $17k in question here is really no different. So they are also guilty of tampering or disposing 9f evidence.

@musicloverme3993

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! Once the PD knew the case was coming up, they had the responsibility to make the funds available for refund if so ordered by the court. That's not the time to give it away!

@mojoman2001

3 жыл бұрын

@@virt1one-- good point. Judge could order the police to post another $17k with the clerk of court, since it hid the subject matter of the action beyond the court's jurisdiction.

Civil Asset Forfeiture and Qualified Immunity has allowed police officers to legally break the law

This happened to me in Kentucky. I was driving through Kentucky and the police pulled me over without giving me a reason. I asked why, however, they just said "License, registration, and insurance, and I will tell you when I come back". When they came back, they told me I was driving on an expired license....However, that can not explain why I was stopped....and I knew that wasn't true, as I had no prior driving infractions or issues with my license. I was then placed into custody and my car was searched. I owned a business in Ohio and was driving through Kentucky into WV to my bank to make a deposit. (I lived in a Tri-State area and it was faster to cross a bridge into KY, then a couple miles to my bank in WV across another small bridge).... I had around $7,000.00 in a bank bag which was sitting on my passenger-side front seat and they asked me where it was from. I told them I was a business owner, the name and location of the business, provided my business card from my wallet, and stated I was headed to the bank to make a deposit. I also had my deposit folder under the bag that I would take with me to add my bank slips to, which I attached to my daily reports. They said it was suspicious that I would be driving with that amount of money, so I made a joke and said "I would think it is better to drive with it than walk it 10 miles away"... I was put in jail for a "suspended license" and since it was on a Sunday I had to wait until the next morning to see the judge. When I went before the judge, it was found that my license was perfectly fine and that it was not suspended...The police themselves provided that information and said it was an error on their part and apologized. However, I never could get my money back. This was back around 2002.

@bribbripnairbnab7301

Жыл бұрын

"However, I never could get my money back. " Why not?

@YeOldeTowneCryer

Жыл бұрын

Either your lawyer was a shithead or you didn't have a lawyer. It's not too late. Get the meanest damned lawyer and go after them. Sue for the money AND lawyers costs and for mental anguish caused by the incident. If it doesn't hurt them, there is no reason for them to stop. I fear if it happened to me and they were just pigheaded about it, I'd go Rambo on their damned police station.

@RickJohnson-vn5ys

Жыл бұрын

This why I call bs when people say the side of the road isn’t a place to argue your case, court is. We have seen countless times where local judges, DAs, and the coos are all buddies and could give a shi* less about you, me, or their own wife and kids. The gang is all that matters. I’ve seen way to many times where when case is lost they go to appeals court and win all while the currupt peace of shi* jusdge just keeps getting away with throwing his opinion out as law when the judge should be disbarred

@sandrajones2262

Жыл бұрын

Anything they confiscated as a result of that stop should have been returned. The stop and the results are invalid. The money was not illegal. Even illegal stuff should have been returned. *I am not a lawyer.* I studied Admin of Jus.

@gigmaresh8772

Жыл бұрын

Hate to tell you, BUT A person at your bank got a reward for squealing on you

"The attorney Consider this forfeiture acts as highway robbery" I'm pretty sure that the whole forfeiture system is the text book definition of highway robbery.

@MrBassard

3 жыл бұрын

Well it is pretty much what the mafia did/does

@dwwolf4636

2 жыл бұрын

People should treat it as such.

@babygirl8181980411

2 жыл бұрын

ARMED robbery, and not allowed to defend yourself.

@williamdendyjr348

2 жыл бұрын

You are so right. I salute that 💯. Honesty taught but not followed. The real definition of crooks....

@logansommer3459

Жыл бұрын

Joe biden is the one who originally wrote the bill to create civil asset forfeiture. Makes you think huh.

i know we're all praising the judge, but that attorney did some great work!

It’s getting harder and harder to believe in this government.

How the living hell has the Supreme Court never ruled that civil forfeiture violates due process?

@tim9817

Ай бұрын

They’re reaping the benefits-that’s why

Much respect to the judge for her courage. She should be an example for other judges to follow.

@johnsonhunglo1993

3 жыл бұрын

There is lots of work for her in Oklahoma!!!

@DJdoppIer

3 жыл бұрын

Indeed, we need more people / judges like her.

@adamlv1

2 жыл бұрын

She is absolutely the exception, not the rule. Judges in our country almost never go to the bench out of law school. Defense attorneys either have a passion for helping people who wouldn’t stand a chance in our courtrooms or they were county or state attorneys caught doing the usual shady stuff that they all do and can never work for the government again. Basically, 99% of the supposed impartial, non-biased judges presiding over trials in America today were prosecutors beforehand and probably are responsible for thousands of man-years of incarceration time to innocent people. Freedom, liberty, innocent until proven guilty, justice is blind, they all look good etched in stone on the walls of federal buildings but it is just gaslighting and anyone who has been through the system knows this.

@BrianDavis-no6gy

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure she will be an example. They'll probably destroy her career as a warning to others ! She needs to get rid of all her red scarves and doorknobs !

"we don't have it, we gave it to the feds" "Don't care. You took it, you return it." Huzzah!

It's been two years since this video was put out by this channel. Still no pay out and still no repercussions.

Everyone involved and participating in civil asset forfeiture belongs in prison. It's theft. Pure and simple theft.

Please do a follow up on this would be nice to see how this unfolds.

@dannymccarty344

3 жыл бұрын

Sometimes they (justice system) drag it out for years. Steve's utube channel won't last that long to find out. Guys like him get censored.

@Milnoc

3 жыл бұрын

I especially want to know who goes to jail. I'm hoping it's the mayor, the chief of police and the officers involved with the seizure.

@mojoman2001

3 жыл бұрын

Spoiler: they will pay the victim back and get their $17k back from the Feds. Nobody will go to jail. They are just trying to pick low hanging fruit, and this one is no longer worth it.

@robzehendner752

3 жыл бұрын

@@mojoman2001 they should have to go thru the same bs to get the money back from the feds

@drumset09

3 жыл бұрын

@@dannymccarty344 Steve's been putting up videos on KZread for years already . . and he is a lawyer, so I'm pretty sure he'll be around as long as he wants to be.

"Hey Judge I stole $17,000 but gave it to Jimmy yesterday. Judge can you drop my case please..."

A real judge finally somebody with morals

This is despicable. These laws need to be challenged by a lawsuit of large proportions. Thanks for making us aware of these heinous actions.

You missed the part where PD & city were non-responsive to the judges ORDER for 70 days! Now she has given them the "7 days or jail" choice.

@Alverant

3 жыл бұрын

Cops probably had something on her or made a veiled threat.

@ashkebora7262

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alverant ... Uh, why? Why would the judge _trying to put her foot down_ suddenly imply they have dirt?? The fact she's trying to flex is evidence _against_ such a stupid conspiracy theory.

@justask9775

3 жыл бұрын

Need to lock up the upper staff in the department until they turn over the cash.They rob people and there is no accountability.! Time for Qualified immunity to go protecting LE DAs along with some unethical judges

@arthurneddysmith

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alverant -Nonsensical speculation (that doesn't even make sense in the context of these facts). Please watch the video before commenting next time.

@johnnymcblaze

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashkebora7262 Go away hasbarra.

I'd want my "$17,000.00" back WITH INTEREST paid by the City/Police Department and the costs of the Lawyers! Yeah, I'm dreaming....

@ashtonw9931

3 жыл бұрын

Not the department, that is just tax payers. When government officials breach the law, and this case the constitution, they need to pay for it out of their personal assets.

@alphach1mp

3 жыл бұрын

Take it out of their pension!

@ObservationofLimits

3 жыл бұрын

Yea whatever cops, judges, and supervisors signed off on it should all be paying it back.

@SurleyBlaine

3 жыл бұрын

Thats what the government and corporations ask for when going after people. Usually get it.

@rogerlibby14613

3 жыл бұрын

@@ashtonw9931 Issue a 1099 Form to ALL officials involved. Get them involved with the IRS! Let them explain their unreported income.

"It shouldn't matter who the parties are." You opened my eyes with that comment and explanation. Thx!

How did we end up where cops are in the revenue generation business? I always thought highway robbery was illegal.

The only update to this story is the town filed an appeal, Stating "The Town of Mooresville is disappointed with the Court's recent decision in the Sanders case. We believe the seizure by our police department was lawfully executed and the funds rightfully turned over to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security at their directive, pursuant to established federal law. The Town did file an appeal yesterday, which by law stays enforcement of the order until the Court of Appeals reviews the merits of this case. The Town does not plan to further comment at this time while an active criminal case and this civil matter is ongoing." Coincidentally I hear tar and feather sales are up over 200% in the area.

@arbl1992

3 жыл бұрын

What news site are you pulling this from? I’d love to share this with my wife

@thetruthisonlyperspective4872

2 жыл бұрын

Lmfao

@heathbruce9928

Жыл бұрын

Great job in giving the town more ideas

If the city refuses to return the money, I would love to see the court seize city assets such as the police station and sell it at a Sheriff's sale to recoup this man's money.

@finish_my_projects

3 жыл бұрын

That's still tax payer assets... Take it from their retirement funds

@Freespirit5371

3 жыл бұрын

@@finish_my_projects That would be great if it could be done legally but I suspect that could not be done. However, if the city had its police station sold the embarrassment it would cost the police department and the city would send a chill done the spines of municipal employees everywhere and maybe make them think twice prior to confiscating a person's money.

This case just illustrates how convoluted the legal theory of law enforcement has become. If I was to rob a bank and then give it to associate and use that as a defense I would probably be locked up in an insane asylum some where.

Remember the govt and especially the parts with badges and guns can actually be predators. In this example, two court hearings said to return the money and still not doing it.

My only question is: Why are those in government doing everything they can to destroy the people's trust in said government?🧐🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

@KSFWG

3 жыл бұрын

Because they think they are above the law and cannot be prosecuted.

@duanevp

3 жыл бұрын

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

@wvantielen4460

3 жыл бұрын

Like other, the older I get the less respect I have for law enforcement. This asset forfeiture, speed traps, planting evidence, skewing evidence to help the prosecution. Mis treatment of county prisoners. This actually hinders honest judges, who are constantly facing corrupt dishonest local sheriffs and police departments. The accused is no longer treated as an honorable citizens. Bad people are almost alway addicted by drugs or alcohol.

@synewparadigm

3 жыл бұрын

@@wvantielen4460 it all start from the top. the weak people will emulate their leadership.

@IvanJohnsonMedia

3 жыл бұрын

It's called "normalizing." Once an unjust action is executed several hundred or several thousand times, the general public will regard the action as normal. Over a period of time, people will be born into the phenomenon and will absolutely not question it as unjust. That is why agencies can literally rob someone on the street at gunpoint and have it deemed "civil asset forfeiture" instead of police malfeasance.

Moving stolen money like this is either money laundering or racketeering, and possibly tampering with evidence.

@robertmattison1282

3 жыл бұрын

In my oppinion it is tampering with evidence which is a crime. The judge would would likely need to bring in a Prosecuting Attorney from outside the town were the crime took place. The people on trial would be the same people who stole this person money in the 1st. place. Stealing is stealing I don't care if you were a unform, a badge and carry gun. You no difference then a guy who enter a Bank and take the Bank money by thread of force. This is my personal opinion.

@virt1one

3 жыл бұрын

moving money through the US mail via check like this could also be eligible for Wire Fraud. That's a fun one the feds love to use as a lever or to tack on additional charges to the rest of us.

@scottcurtis4849

3 жыл бұрын

That dont apply to government

@danepcarver4951

3 жыл бұрын

@@virt1one It is mail fraud, but when the check clears the banking system electronically it is Wire fraud. Plus, the PD converted the cash into a banking instrument, so that is money laundering. DAs and US Attorneys charge criminal defendants every day with stacked charges. Oh, and PD & Feds were working together so that is conspiracy too.

@ralphm6901

3 жыл бұрын

It may depend on how the PD and Feds interacted. If the PD said to a Fed buddy, "here, hold this sack of cash", that's one thing. But if the PD tells the Feds "we found $17K in a car with out of State plates", the Feds might have replied, "crossing State lines is our jurisdiction, give us the money." It's still wrong, and the PD owes $17K + interest to the owner, and it's their problem getting reimbursed by the Feds.

If asset forfeiture isn't abolished, at least they should pass a law requiring the authority that confiscated the property pay the legal costs.

I'd like to see someone go to jail also, starting with the cops involved and the police chief.

@scottbc31h22

3 жыл бұрын

And those cops superiors, the chief, the law director and the mayor. Also include the person who wrote the check and his bosses.

@davco59

3 жыл бұрын

@@scottbc31h22 What about the D A ?I wonder did he know about this also?

@scottbc31h22

3 жыл бұрын

@@davco59 I doubt the case even got that far. But if he did, yes, prison for him too.

@mototacularlife5267

3 жыл бұрын

Start with the Police Chief and see how quickly these “robberies” cause that’s what these truly are, and see how quickly these stop.

@mototacularlife5267

3 жыл бұрын

How about the PD owes interest from the moment that they stole the money. As well as being awarded attorneys fees and damages

Wow, it seems like there have been a lot of good judges standing up for the people lately. I hope this trend keeps up

@hoseiimaging6215

3 жыл бұрын

More like good KZread is putting the charade of fairness and justice to shame

@widehotep9257

3 жыл бұрын

For every good story there are hundreds of bad ones.

@copisolutionsservicecc3807

3 жыл бұрын

Actually one of the things Trump did well. Filling empty justice seats.

If the disposition of the money is lawfully subject to a court proceeding, how is sending that money out of reach not a slam dunk for criminal obstruction of justice?

Steve, I always upvote your civil asset forfeiture videos. Thank you for sharing your knowledge about this.

This deserves a follow up so we can find out who gets to serve time in jail.afterall it is a matter of public record.

Imagine if it becomes common to have actual jail time consequences on corrupt government official practices. Imagine if it becomes common for corrupt financial institution executives to wind up in jail.

@bn880

3 жыл бұрын

Who would be left to run the country? :p

@SaintAnimus

3 жыл бұрын

How quickly such a system would be stacked and politicized. Can't even trust the authority of the Supreme Court these days.

@BaveMage

3 жыл бұрын

@@bn880 Hopefully good people. Like those who took up arms too create said Nation. Way too many in power today rely on the government paycheck and protection. Pretty much Lords and serfs today.

@waterheaterservices

3 жыл бұрын

@@BaveMage 2A

@richarddombakly413

2 жыл бұрын

There's a song by Louis Armstrong "what a wonderful world

Steve thank you for the light on this people rise up

Would the judge be able to use contempt of court in relation to the department failing to surrender the money back?

Steve, did you cover that under the federal equitable sharing program, up to 80% of the money turned over by state/local police is given back to the agency that seized it. That's how police get around local restrictions on CAF

@jorgegonzales6697

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like a form of laundering the money

@epicstyle1000

9 ай бұрын

Previous videos he mentioned that

I ask again, HOW DOES CIVIL ASSET FORFEITURE SURVIVE A 4TH AMENDMENT CHALLENGE!

@edwardmiessner6502

3 жыл бұрын

With courts including the Supremes saying it's perfectly fine

@chipper442

3 жыл бұрын

They ignore the bill of rights and constitution when it works in their favor.

@leelacroix8596

3 жыл бұрын

That don’t make it right.

@frankfacts6207

3 жыл бұрын

Police have the power and authority to tell any judge to go to hell -

@minavanderleest9493

3 жыл бұрын

Corruption

Love the videos man, you are a hero to car people and a blessing in so many lives!

Great program. Thanks Steve.

I guess this goes to show that every once in a while even judges will do the right thing.

@norml.hugh-mann

3 жыл бұрын

A broken clocks right twice a day

@waynegroves6922

3 жыл бұрын

As more liberal judges are appointed, I foresee that happening far less. Judges today believe that they have the right to create laws, via edicts, rather than interpret or enforce existing, legislatively-enacted laws. These people are more liberal, political operatives than unbiased judges - like they swore an oath to be.

@whearts

3 жыл бұрын

Need to keep an eye on the judge and report on the story if anything untoward happens to them.

@edwardmiessner6502

3 жыл бұрын

@@waynegroves6922 doesn't matter if they're liberal or conservative, they usually rule in order to grow the police/nanny state. Torres v Madrid and Brownback v King are the next cases to watch; their arguments were made back in last Autumn and decisions are due as early as March

And "we the people" are forced to pay for police departments like this one.

@shannonp4037

3 жыл бұрын

Actually, we're not. Each Town/City, county and State can vote to disband them. But it takes s ton of work and legal fees.

The city not only owes the man the money that they stole, but also the legal fees to get his money back.

If the Catholic Church wanted your property or wealth they called you a witch.

We need more brave judges like this. This is the only way to begin holding corrupt police departments and city and state officials accountable.

@jonferguson6062

2 жыл бұрын

A judge did not make this statement. It was a comment made by a viewer ! People are dumb as rocks !

@wayneaustin5533

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see the entire population turn against the police.,

"Haven't got it anymore..." Well, it doesn't matter that you don't have it, you took it. Whether you gave it away or went on a spending spree or whatever, you took it so you are responsible for returning it. (I'm not a lawyer nor did I take any law class.) Best return it with interest plus extras.

@admthrawnuru

3 жыл бұрын

Money is fungible anyways. So long as the city has any money, they have this man's money.

@finish_my_projects

3 жыл бұрын

@@admthrawnuru but that's the taxpayers money, and for far too long the police have used OUR money to fund their failures... Take it from the police retirement fund

@jgcelliott1

3 жыл бұрын

@@finish_my_projects...Let 'em make their excuses to the taxpayers. See if the public will excuse their thievery. They act on our behalf, with our power after all. .

@finish_my_projects

3 жыл бұрын

@@jgcelliott1 no, they always get to act and see if they have consequences, usually zero... We need to out in AUTOMATIC consequences for their crimes, just like we are accountable for our actions... We should all be pushing to end the use of tax payer dollars to fund their mistakes, they can find their own mistakes and maybe they will start to police their own bad behavior when their precious retirement becomes threatened

@jgcelliott1

3 жыл бұрын

@@finish_my_projects...Nah, whenever someone complains about the potholes, remind them where the money went. We are the ones who fund their pensions. .

Civil Asset Forfeiture - May God help the department that does this to me. God bless our Judge here in NC, I bet she does throw someone in jail.

Please keep doing videos like this one. This has to be overturned and police departments have to sued. This will or likely has caused some unnecessary violence. Great job on this video.

I'd like to know if, as claimed, the police were really "called out" to the hotel or did they just see a car with Connecticut plates and say "hmm, lookie what we got here."

I hope she just lines up the Police Chief, Deputy Chief, whomever officer, City Attorney, Mayor, Councilfolks, and starts asking "did you bring your toothbrush", and sends them off to the slammer.

What a bunch of crooks. Whoever signed that check over to the feds should have been thrown in jail that day of the hearing

I'm new to the channel but I'm really enjoying the content and your take on things. Thank you for the knowledge and entertainment. Keep up the good work!

Put the Sherriff in his own jail for starters. When the deadline comes and goes, throw the Mayor in the jail right beside him. Continue throwing officials in jail weekly until the debt is paid.

We need more judges to hold the governments accountable

The sheer fact that the police can even PRETEND to not believe you should make Civil Asset Forfeiture ILLEGAL. Because the risk is WAY too high.

They can seize your cars, your house. Everything you own, but your children. And they can probably do that under that seizure law

Isn't it generally contemptuous to dispose of an asset when you know that it's ultimate disposition is being litigated?

I’m literally going through the same situation right now!! With Martinsburg police in West Virginia they took $6000 and my car from me in front my kids. No drugs at all, the case got drop in Oct. they took my stuff on May 25th and they missed the forfeiture court date but still won’t give it back 😡

@Melanie16040

3 жыл бұрын

Any luck in getting your money and car back?

@DigitalYojimbo

3 жыл бұрын

Please get a judgement against them and start taking their stuff and put it on KZread.

@bmobileyo

2 жыл бұрын

Same thing happened to me but they only took my money and it’s been 8 months

@jacksonmehoff4963

2 жыл бұрын

Institute for justice. Look them up They help innocent people free of charge.

@lonniebeal6032

2 жыл бұрын

Stop carrying large amounts of cash with you, these days it's just not necessary.

An update after some googling; the Sanders case is now in federal court and the court of appeals, with the city having filed an appeal which halts the judge's contempt order. Nobody has been jailed so far. Since then, Ashley Cannon, the attorney for Sanders, has taken up the case of two men who had money taken under similar circumstances. Having learned her lesson, Cannon made sure that their money is still kept in the city's coffers. Notably, the city of Mooresville has been able to keep about 40 000 a year for the last two years(2019 and 2020) under this scheme. So far this year they have collected 93 000, One of the things the Mooresville PD was able to treat itself with was a 15 000 system that shoots a GPS tracker from a police cruiser onto a vehicle being pursued.

Why would the feds accept money out of the blue unless one or more of the cops owed it on back taxes?

That judge deserves a promotion to higher court. We need that judge on the Supreme Court.

6:48 "Can you imagine if that defense actually worked? 'Cause criminals could do that all day long." Yup, and they have. Local PD's have been running this switcheroo with the federal govt for years. The feds even made an entire "revenue sharing" program out of it.

@admthrawnuru

3 жыл бұрын

They do it to cover up violent crimes, too. Look up Brownback v King. That really should have been a simple assault charge for those geniuses, instead the guy had to take it all the way to SCOTUS just to rule that he can sue.

@matthew9677

3 жыл бұрын

And these kind of crazy cases that make me want judges that are not lawyers. The average person can look at that and immediately know this is unconstitutional and illogical on it's face. No complicated mental gymnastics, just simple justice.

@darkarima

3 жыл бұрын

@@admthrawnuru Considering how severely they beat him, I'd argue it should have been felonious assault. The bystanders who heeded his pleas to call the cops begged them to get there quickly, because they thought the out-of-uniform cops were muggers who were going to kill him. (And of course when the uniforms arrived, they forced people to delete videos "for the safety" of the "undercover" cops. All over mistaken identity, trying to pick up a guy who didn't resemble King at all - who allegedly stole some soda cans and liquor bottles from his ex-boss. America.)

@mdchaney

3 жыл бұрын

I've been saying this for years - getting rid of asset forfeiture at the state level isn't enough. The states have to criminalize (note the word) the action of performing revenue sharing with the feds.

@darkarima

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthew9677 I don't know about "not lawyers", but the justice system desperately needs to deal with the massive conflicts of interest. Maybe we can work on that after we can even get the govt to DEAL EFFECTIVELY WITH A DEADLY PANDEMIC, like countries that took it seriously and have all-but-eliminated it within their borders. (Possibly would have eliminated it, if it weren't for the Americans bringing it back in every time they get it stamped out.)

No arrests were ever made. A huge loss for American civilians

Bring the Mayor in and lock him up 😂

Public Officials will continue with this corruption until it starts affecting their personal finances. Damages need to be extracted from their salaries, pensions and other benefits.

This was a huge problem in Salem, MA in 1692. The majority of the Witchcraft Hysteria was because of Civil Asset Forfeiture. If you were convicted of witchcraft, the Sherriff got most of your property and holdings. Whomever accused you get some as well. Odd that after the first set of poor people were accused, most of the rest of those accused came from wealthy families or ones with land adjacent to their accuser.

@troodon1096

3 жыл бұрын

That's one of the lesser known facts of the Salem witch trials; it had little to nothing to do with religious persecution, it was mostly people using schemes to seize other people's property either out of greed, spite, or both. (People could do an entire video about what most people don't know or incorrectly think they know about the Salem witch trials. People probably have.) A few other facts people don't usually know about the Salem trials, if you'll indulge in a quick off-topic list: Most of those accused were relatively wealthy, not poor. More men were accused than women. The church wasn't behind most of the accusations or trials; they in fact were mostly against the trials and arguing that people shouldn't be executed for witchcraft without much more solid proof than a mere accusation. Nobody convicted was burned at the stake; those executed were hanged.

@dreadpiratexx

3 жыл бұрын

@@troodon1096 I was a tour guide in Salem for 15 years. I have to point out a few issues. The Puritans were all in on the trials because of Cotton Mather a horrid minister (and founder of Yale). The Anglicans were against the trials and wanted more proof but they were barely tolerated by the Puritans. They led many of the trials in England before they got kicked out and sent to the Americas. It was brought to an end when they went too far and accused the Governors wife and maid. Many many poor people that the Puritans didn't want were rounded up and most died in jail because you had to pay for your time in jail.

@wayneaustin5533

2 жыл бұрын

never knew that but it makes sense.

@MrCool144

2 жыл бұрын

Nice try satan. Don’t make this about you again.

@janetdeloach8522

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it was a deadly landgrab by envious neighbors....They only had to accuse a person not prove it.

I live in NC. This is refreshing to hear.

I'd like to question why something that was put in place to hinder drug cartels was ever allowed to be used on regular people to begin with.

The 76 dislikes are from cops having to give money they seized illegally hahahahhahahaha 😆🤣

@lemmingsrule8816

3 жыл бұрын

The dumb leading the lemmings.

@drewdemien481

3 жыл бұрын

Or scared citizens who think the system works like that money was legally taken. S c h m u c k s .

@SurleyBlaine

3 жыл бұрын

They are mad because they can't find the receipts to return their Margarita machines and Cinco de Mayo is coming up.

@drewdemien481

3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha oh that's delicious and tangy

@ninaappelt9001

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if they had to pass the hat to collect it?

You said that the $17,000 in cash was seized. But if it was anyone else (someone not wearing a badge), it would be called THEFT!!!

@nicholaslawlor8623

2 жыл бұрын

Actually it could be classed as armed robbery, cops have guns!

@andrewwenner2781

Жыл бұрын

It is theft period.

@genuinedickies99

Жыл бұрын

Theft is a type of seizure.

@mark98115

Жыл бұрын

What would be funny is the town cops getting pulled over by the sheriff and having the money seized by them.

@77yogurt

Жыл бұрын

@@mark98115 I don't think it would be funny at all because the victim doesn't get their money back.

This happened to me.Two cars and every thing I owned. I ended up sleeping under a tarp waiting for my next check. This was in retaliation for a complaint about disability discrimination and harassment. They ran me out of town. Then issued several bench warrants in counties 300 miles apart to make sure I couldn't appear.

I’m amazed on how many of my friends and family never heard of the practice!

Please keep doing these kinds of stories and helping us shine a light on what is, in a vast majority of times, basically government theft! 👏👏

Judge should find out who ordered it turned over to the feds and find them in contempt of court.

@norml.hugh-mann

3 жыл бұрын

Grand theft!

@whirledpeaz5758

3 жыл бұрын

Unlawfully disposing of evidence.

@BillPalmer

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, but they KNEW the hearing was about to take place. They were under no obligation to give the money to the feds. looks like the town just donated $17,000 to the federal government.

Not even once has this slimy behavior helped stop, or even reduce, illegal behavior. Only a lowlife would believe our forefathers would be ok with this crap. Great video Steve!

The fact that they sent it to the feds indicates that there is not only consciousness of guilt, but they were pretty sure they would lose that case. Any time I get cash, it goes in an ATM or bank and is transferred to another account (I don't use my local bank for anything other than free notary, coin counter, ATM, and teller cash deposit). Stories like this make me sure that teaching cash is crazy. Civil asset forfeiture without a judge or charges is unconstitutional, regardless of what our corrupt SCOTUS says

Is that Judge a low key hero? Yes she is.

@jaykoerner

2 жыл бұрын

And guess how it ended... With the cops filing appeal and not going to jail, so.... Yeah it was a empty threat, fish with judges trying to arrest police officers as police officers have to willing to arrest themselves, judges can't do it so nothing happens

"it would be unconstitutional but the Supreme Court has upheld it" Scotus has also upheld that a state can't be held liable for stealing your intellectual property. It was a case a while ago where one of the coastal states stole photos and videos from a scuba diver. He sued them and they went "hey he's not allowed to sue us for that" and scotus went "yeah you guys are right"

@alsaunders7805

3 жыл бұрын

That wouldn't be SC and the Hunley would it? 🤓🍻

@Plisko1

2 жыл бұрын

On the flip side. The government also is not supposed to be able to own any intellectual property without it being public domain. That's why all the NASA and military photos are free to use.

@wizardsuth

11 ай бұрын

@@Plisko1 Unless it's classified, of course. The military owns plenty of classified intellectual property.

@Plisko1

11 ай бұрын

@@wizardsuth Fair point. However, it can be in the public domain and still be classified. I may have misspoke about owning intellectual property. I was referring to things created by the US government being public domain. I believe the government can still buy intellectual property or contract it.

You call it right a thief is a thief and the judge should send all of them to jail

Finally ! A judge that is a real American !! Wow ! First time ever? This judge will be rememberd for good.

Definitely goes along the right track to keep the police accountable, while also showing how CAF is detrimental to society.

@miscbits6399

3 жыл бұрын

CAF in other countries is ONLY done with a court order and hearing (proceeds of crime act, etc)

@CyFr

3 жыл бұрын

@@miscbits6399 than it wouldn't necessarily be called civil assets forfeiture... but criminal forfeiture... or criminal proceeds

@edwardmiessner6502

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Making law enforcement abide and keep on abiding by the law is vital if we are to have anything resembling a society