in other words, christian parents are afraid of children learning that there are *other* people with *other* beliefs.

@robertx8020

9 ай бұрын

And I understand their fear.. because their kids might go to another religion ,...or even worse (gasp) become ...atheists ...how can you control you kids and force them into your religion when others show them alternatives?

@brialapoint2608

9 ай бұрын

A good reason to teach world religion. Christians are tyrants

@matthewgordon3281

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, our primitive fear of the other which was possibly useful when we first evolved. Some people don't want to move past that.

Teaching about different religions in an academic sense is entirely reasonable and if it was Christianity you know damn well they wouldn't be complaining. There is a difference between "This is the basics of what Muslims believe" and "This is true belief".

@DaraelDraconis

9 ай бұрын

If it was Christianity they'd be complaining _because_ it was "this is what they believe" rather than "this is true belief".

@Mikewee777

9 ай бұрын

Exactly . Teaching about the geographic origins of a cult does not mean that the teacher is obligated to teach it as if it was a valid thing to believe in .

@user-ki1un4jg2d

9 ай бұрын

As long as they teach that Jesus is the truth and he is the role model for humans to follow .

@lynxfirenze4994

9 ай бұрын

@@user-ki1un4jg2d I don't know if you're commenting on Christians pushing their religion constantly or if you're a Christian trying to push their religion and that's weirdly hilarious for some reason

@user-ki1un4jg2d

9 ай бұрын

They can teach that Jesus is the truth and our role model on how to live in public schools without telling kids they have to be Christians .@@lynxfirenze4994

Teach, yes; proselytizing a religion in school, no.

@briannamay5459

9 ай бұрын

I wanna worship satan in school

@Nick-o-time

9 ай бұрын

​@@briannamay5459good news, that's allowed!

@colorbugoriginals4457

9 ай бұрын

perfectly succinct 👍

@ThatOpalGuy

9 ай бұрын

same goes for being non-binary, lgbtq, etc.

@rustinusti

9 ай бұрын

⁠@@ThatOpalGuyNo need to worry because there are no instances of teachers proselytizing non-binarism to students.

It is extremely normal to learn about religions in terms of history, geography and society.

@timdowney6721

9 ай бұрын

Not always, though it should be.

@gmansard641

9 ай бұрын

I am a historian, and learning about religion is indispensable.

@z.s.7992

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. Religion is an aspect of people organizing into society

@PhoenixHinds

9 ай бұрын

​@@UMBR.you have shown why the understanding of various religions is vitally important. Thank you.

@PhoenixHinds

9 ай бұрын

@@UMBR. I looked into many various "religions" prior to my learning that atheism is the only thing that made sense to me.

Indeed, teach ABOUT religions. Just don't preach about them, require them, or dehumanize anyone who is different or doesn't believe any of it.

@DaraelDraconis

9 ай бұрын

Yeah, there's a big difference between teaching a religion and teaching _about_ it, and the headline is a little misleading as to which the case was over.

@IkarusKommt

9 ай бұрын

You will have to sugar-coat them because you can't tell the truth about the shitholes where people adhere to them.

@user-ki1un4jg2d

5 ай бұрын

Teaching that evolution is a fact is not only anti - science , it also violates the freedom of religion of Christian , Muslim and Jewish students .

@giannaleng1897

2 ай бұрын

@@DaraelDraconis Well, the class that was put into question was a class called World Culture and Geography. It’s pretty clear that the aim of the class is not religious. It’s just informative.

I really, really wish these women who went on Carlson’s show would be sued for defamation. People need to be given a reason to think twice before spreading lies.

@Simon.the.Likeable

9 ай бұрын

Or, at least, a Court ruling against them for legal costs. Why should taxpayers have to foot any of the bill for six years of frivolous proceedings? There must be some type of penalties in place to prevent nutbags from launching ridiculous cases which are bound to end this way. More education on Civics and the Constitution would also be useful.

@robertx8020

9 ай бұрын

I guess "do not lie" doesn't apply if it benefits 'you' Got to love the hypocracy

@SpacenSpooks

9 ай бұрын

Going on his show seems typical for people NEEDING their 15 minutes of fame, though

What Christians need to realize is that intelligent humans have the capacity to read about something and comprehend it, WITHOUT adopting it. But their fear is how you know they have faith. heh

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

That's not how our constitution was written. We "SPECIFICALLY" wrote and required that our government is not allowed to claim or propose or advocate for an official religion of any kind; especially in public schools and public institutions.

@jasonpatterson8091

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed Not sure what you mean with your comment. Are you arguing that it's unlawful to teach about Islam or Christianity or any other religion in the classroom?

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@jasonpatterson8091 The title of the video did not say "teach about" it said "teach". The constitution of the United States of America prohibits anybody presenting any religion as true or favored or official. Any of them. And it does not allow what the original commenter in this thread suggests.... of teaching an official religion and then pretending that if you are kinda sorta not made to adopt it that somehow teaching an official religion is okay. It is not okay. It is specifically and irrefutably not allowed by our constitution. Full stop. End of story.

@leothenomad5675

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed Your comment is full of nothing but strawmen. 1) Nowhere in the story does it say anybody tried to represent Islam as "true or favored or official" they simply said what the major concepts of Islam were. 2) The OP never even mentioned religion in their comment what they said was "read about something and comprehend it" Also, a federal court says you are wrong.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@leothenomad5675 You are a liar. The title of the video literally proves you wrong. You adding extra words and different words in your head does not change the title of the video. You even then had the audacity to ignore the Constitution of the United States of America in your final sentence.

Meanwhile, PragerU videos are approved "supplemental curriculum" in Florida

Right wingers can't grasp that TEACHING about and PREACHING about are two different things.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

You don't have any idea what right wing means.

@MrGreensweightHist

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed Yes, I do. Right wing means authoritarianism, nationalism, and group think.

@balijosu

9 ай бұрын

​@@laertesindeedTeach us 🤣

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@MrGreensweightHist You just demonstrated beyond any doubt that you are a liar.

@MrGreensweightHist

9 ай бұрын

@@balijosu Personally, I love this guy going "You don't have any idea what right wing means." to someone who taught World History, U.S. history, U.S. Government, and Civics. Dunning-Kruger on full display here. 😄

Teaching about Islam is not the same as teaching Islam (promoting it). Or any other religion. I went to a Christian middle school and they briefly taught about comparative religions.

@pineapplepenumbra

9 ай бұрын

I went to a christian middle school too (in the UK) and we got taught about other belief systems, but not in depth, and they didn't talk about the really awful aspects of them (if they did then they probably thought that they would have had to have pointed out the awful things in, or resulting from, christianity, too).

@NoraHannigan678

9 ай бұрын

it's crazy how more extreme everything has gotten, they want to teach people ignorance, in the literal sense

Thank you for this. I forwarded this to a neighbor who is throwing hissy fits over his kids being taught about Buddhism and Taoism in their world civ class in high school, likening it to them being proselyted by "hippie drug addicts." I am friends with the teacher and had to laugh. She is a fitness fanatic, doesn't even take aspirin when she is ill and as she tells it, a card carrying atheist. Ya just gotta love bigots. Gotta go. My neighbor is banging at my door.

@josephine4s

9 ай бұрын

Religions are fascinating! Learning about them is neat.

Ok, so... the title of the video threw me off completely. This is teaching ABOUT Islam, which is perfectly constitutionally protected, but the way the title was written made me think they were TEACHING Islam, which is totally against separation of church and state 😅

@erich930

7 ай бұрын

Same! Glad I read some of the comments before watching

Nothing wrong with teaching religions in history class.

@Johnboy33545

9 ай бұрын

'about'

Ex-Muslim here. It's important to learn about Islam, 1.5 billion adherents. Best to know what our fellow humans think. Same for Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism.

I'm fine if they teach religion in schools, as long as they teach them all and how many dumb and controlling aspects to them there are, and how much they've held us back as a species for millennia and have been the repeated justifications for a variety of atrocities like genocide, rape, and slavery.

@missk1697

9 ай бұрын

Are you really one of these people who think we would have flying cars by now if not for religion?

@MsAnpassad

9 ай бұрын

All might be a bit hard to do, kids shouldn't spend years longer in school. There are around 4000 religions in the world.

@stormthrush37

9 ай бұрын

@@missk1697 Not at all. There are bad people inside religion and bad people outside religion. But in my experience religions tends to represent and bring out the worst in humanity rather than the best and usually when religion is getting taught in school it's indoctrination into a specific religion rather than an education about religions in general with both the good and bad aspects alike. Real education about religions would start with a demonstrable and basically undisputed fact that I've only ever heard Richard Dawkins point out; that which religion a person is is largely a matter of where that person is born and what religion a person's parents are. That is to say religions don't tend to be chosen consciously but rather are accepted subconsciously in youth as a result of peer, family, and societal pressures and norms. Choices made under those circumstances don't tend to be good ones as they're not so much choices as they are just going along with the crowd.

@-paganless-4248

9 ай бұрын

​@@stormthrush37 That might be the case in Christian dominated nations of today, but in Muslim dominated ones the people are actually forced to go with whatever the dominant sect of Islam is doing. It is way more that just peer pressure.

@MrGreensweightHist

9 ай бұрын

There are too many to teach ALL however, the pint is to over a large number of the more common ones in a historical and cultural aspect, not in a preaching aspect.

You are refreshing in your openness and clarity on issues. Thank you.

Hemant Mehta, One minor correction. It should say, "teaching about Islam" instead of "teaching Islam." Saying teaching Islam, does kind of make it sound like your saying they were trying to indoctrinate the kids.

@indigopines

9 ай бұрын

As much as I love Hemant, I think its intentional clickbait.

As far as evangelical “christians” are concerned teaching about religions is fine as long as it is only about their religion. Preaching about it in school is even better.

Daniel Dennet has defended the teaching of World Religions. That’s perfect! Christians want to preach which is very different.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@timothymulholland That is false. Dan Dennet advocated for teaching "about" religions, not for teaching the religions themselves.

@Johnboy33545

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed: Hairsplitting? Really? Grow up.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@Johnboy33545 You are incredibly childish and lacking in any ethical integrity whatsoever.

@jamesonrosen1773

9 ай бұрын

​@@laertesindeedhow you gonna teach me about islam without teaching me islam?

@SpacenSpooks

9 ай бұрын

I noticed this "hairsplitting" approach to discussions during the pandemic, and it was INFURIATING! @@Johnboy33545

there is no gawd but ME, and I am my messenger

I'm in the UK, and here in the UK one of our mandatory subjects is Religious Education, a class where we learn about the different religions of the world and their beliefs. Nobody has ever complained about the existence of that class.

I took a college level history of world religions class in 2005. The majority of the class were Christians and had a hard time not viewing all the other religions as false and blasphemy heresy.

See if you can contact that kid... And others in his class. ... And ask if they ever felt like the religions were being pressed on them. Then ask about their home life, religiously. I'd love to hear what the kids themselves think and feel (beyond what their parents TELL them to think and feel). All your videos and podcasts are fantastic! Keep them coming!

Isn't the muslim deity the same deity as the christian one? So the reference to 'allah' was saying they believe in the christian deity but using a different name.

@DaraelDraconis

9 ай бұрын

It's… complicated. Muslims believe that their god is the God of Abraham, worshipped also by Christians and Jews. Because they disagree about some of that deity's properties and messages, however, some Christians believe that Muslims have been misled by a person or demon or something _masquerading_ as the God of Abraham. Others say (more reasonably, though that doesn't mean I think they're correct) that they've got the right deity but are mistaken about the message. And then there are the ignorant ones who don't understand that it's even _meant_ to be the same god.

@MrGreensweightHist

9 ай бұрын

Yes it is.

@MrGreensweightHist

9 ай бұрын

@@DaraelDraconis Christians think Muslims are mislead, Muslims think Christians are mislead, Jewish people think they are both wrong, they both think Jewish people refused to accept change, but it is all the same god. Truth is, Islamic teachings are more like Jewish and original Christians teachings than modern Christianity is Everything in Sharia can also be found in a Bible.

@dennisduncan7561

9 ай бұрын

No.

@MrGreensweightHist

9 ай бұрын

@@dennisduncan7561 Yes. Lurch is correct. It is the same god. Islam is a branching off from Christianity the same why Christianity branched off from Judaism. Please learn history

I went to a Catholic school here in the UK, and we still learned about other religions, albeit not in our R.E classes, but rather in our history classes pertaining to what took place in different countries during British rule or various wars etc. If anything, I realised that religion itself just wasn't meant for me lol, but at least I was given the choice to think for myself and decide for myself.

@Reverend_Salem

9 ай бұрын

same here, but a catholic school in the us. we had an entire section on major religions in the world. and we learned a bit about judaism in our RE class

Teaching about religion in public tax supported schools is OK as long as no favoritism is offered by the teacher. I strongly recommend that atheist arguments criticizing god belief should also be taught.

How gullible are these children? By 7th grade, my kids knew enough to question things. And to know that differences existed between people.

Even my cult level Christian school I went to was capable of teaching the facts about the basic tenets of different religions. Why can’t people use common sense?

@erich930

7 ай бұрын

You know the one thing about common sense is that it isn't all that common

Teaching about Islam and teaching Islam are two very different things.

I grew up going to a Christian school (now I’m a free-thinking atheist), and even they taught us about world religions!

Telling someone your father's name is not a legal adoption strategy. Similarly, this curriculum is not being used for proselytizing.

No religion should be taught in school in my opinion

@AlfonzoCam

9 ай бұрын

Then everyone in the country you're in would be massively lacking in history knowledge.

Either teach about all religions or none. And teaching is not the same as indoctrinating as the actual religions do.

May I suggest adding “about” to the headline? Teaching “about Islam”. Had some atheist friends ignore it thinking they were the same as the Christians. I could see it too if I hadn’t heard your previous video on it. Just a suggestion to not cause balks. Lol

@AlfonzoCam

9 ай бұрын

Well unless your brain dead you actually watch the video to know what the title is talking about and I'm an atheist.

If he's not using the Lemon test, would that just make it HARDER to find this unconstitutional?

It seems like the mothers could use some scholing about other religions. Ignorance breeds fear, and fear makes people do weird things. And a lawsuit is not the worst they could do. So America, start educating people, please!

I totally agree, except I don't mind if a student has religious beliefs and defends them in some presentation at school as long as they actually do the assignment. Eg. If the assignment is really vague and asks students to defend some deeply held belief they have then of course some kids will defend their religion. I would defend LGBT rights! So, depending on what the kid actually did and the assignment I might disagree with the school not allowing her son to do that. Though, this mom sounds like the least reliable narrator possible so who knows what really happened.

Teaching about religious dogma and claims and the role of the religion in world culture and history is fine. Teching religion, as in instructing someone in a religion isn't.

@user-ki1un4jg2d

9 ай бұрын

They teach the dogma of unproven evolution .

hmm, we learned about Islam, Hindu, etc. as part of our social studies curriculum back in my day. I didn't convert to any of them and I don't know anyone else that did. I'm willing to bet that her son learned about the religion of ancient Greece and Rome too, but she didn't have a problem with that because they aren't a widely practiced religion these days and so aren't threatening.

Yep, I learned a lot about various religions in public school in a couple of cultures classes.

It blows my mind how these moms can just go on TV and lie... And get away with it... Sounds a bit like a defamation case.

@cyril-rr2jk

9 ай бұрын

The meddling moms would probably have gotten away with it with BS claims that they "just misunderstood" what was being taught despite it being made clear many times over the years.

This is ridiculous introducing Islam in schools. Next they'll be teaching with Arabic numerals.

I'd amend the title to say "teaching ABOUT Islam". The way it's currently worded makes it sound like schools are promoting a specific religion as true.

I think it’s a key piece of the big picture, knowing the fundamental differences between the abrahamic religions. As such it absolutely is need to know information. In an ideal world the differences would be irrelevant, but that’s just not the case. To pretend it isn’t important for your children to know these things is irresponsible if not abusive.

The ironic part of that press release 8:27 is the almost exact same stuff they say should’ve stated about Islam could be stated about Christianity and Judaism. Edit: I really should wait till I’ve finished watching a video because of course you state about the irony.

The lawsuit is ridiculous. I learned about Islam (and Buddhism, and Hinduism, and Shintoism, etc.) in my *Catholic* grade school long before 7th grade. (5th, I think.) Learning about other religions is a key to making the world a better place.

Fascinating. Another good reason to have skeptics on school boards.

Got to love it when Christian’s don’t realise that their god and islams Allah are the same god

I have a suggestion if we're going to teach a religion in school, why don't we teach Graco Roman Mythology🤔 That'll engage 7th graders, and Helluva start of a conversation around the dinner table😂 Give Abraham sons... Judaism, Christianity, and little brother Islam🤔💭

@MrGreensweightHist

9 ай бұрын

We do. As a former teacher, I did a brief overview of... Mesopotamian Mythology Egyptian Mythology Taoism Buddhism Norse Mythology Judaism Christianity Islam. Hinduism. Animism Greek Mythology Roman mythology (Mostly adding Romulus and Remus then saying it is Greek Mythology with the names changed) Sikhism. And I am sure a couple others that are not coming to mind at the moment.

So the parents thought that the school was teaching those middle-schoolers "Islam" while in reality school was teaching them "about Islam" which is a big difference. Right?

@susanleslie6178

9 ай бұрын

Yes. Teaching = "This is true". Teaching about = "This exists".

I had World Culture in high school. No mention of religions. My older brother took a high school class in World Religions in CA, and a cousin in OR took a high school course on the Bible. Religion and Civics used to be taught.

@bootmii98

5 ай бұрын

Civics is still taught, it's just taught in 12th grade which is a little late

You can teach about the history of various religions and their impact on the world. That’s a total no brainer. SMH

Jesus died on the cross. Isn't this god perform human sacrifice and black magic on his own son? God have no better solution? Anyway god's sin is even much greater than human sin. According to the bible, human's sin is just eating an apple.

@balijosu

9 ай бұрын

Oh, you and your rational arguments. There's no place for that in religious debate.

Right-wing conservative Christians (first-time): It's a violation of separation of church and state to teach students about other religions. Right-wing SCOTUS: It's perfectly fine for right-wing Christian coach to hold prayer meetings with his team on school grounds whether the players want to be there or not. But it's not coercion. Right-wing conservative Christians (second-time): It's coercion to teach students about other religions. Now, I wonder what these Christians think about what their #1 Guy, Jesus Christ, had to say on the nature of public prayer? Simple answer: He wasn't a fan of it. And He wouldn't be a fan of many of His "followers." On a tangential note, it's funny how the Thomas More Law Center would bring up all the "evils" of Islam and how they weren't discussed in the course while, just a few years later, we've got "conservative Christians" who are so outraged at "woke" (which they can't define) that they're basically trying to keep factual information about slavery and domestic violence from being discussed in schools so as to avoid hurting certain students' feelings.

I bet most of these kids are about to graduate if they haven't already some may have even dropped out by now lol

Shit i remember this frim middle school We ended the semester with food from the area. I had Baclava for the first time

No, so long as religion is taught as an objective this is what these people believe in, in the form of religious studies, teaching religion in a non-preachy way is not at all wrong to teach any religion in school. Like what would be wrong would be if a person started to teach in a biased way to say Islam or Christianity or any other religion is the true faith and you must follow it and you compel people to prey that would not be constitutional. Heck, I even think teaching about religion even as a non-believer myself is important as it helps inform people how others may live differently in accordance with their culture and beliefs. As it helps to remove some of the discrimination that society may have for people with different beliefs. Like from the UK and my religion studies teacher was biased as heck, like teaching Hinduism she tried to make it so that Hindus only believed in one god because she was a former nun and a solid Christian and tried to link all other religions to Christianity, so that Bias was heavily affected what should have been a non-biased take on religion. I think if she taught like that America would be close to breaking the Constitution as a comparison of what potentially complies and does not comply with the Constitution.

The ultimate irony would be if the loony toons mom sees her son convert to Islam!!!

Learning about religion as religion is fine, it's when you try to use it as a substitute for other subjects is when it becomes wrong.

I remember my comparative religious studies. My first run was in a year-long elective at my Catholic high school. It was not exactly in-depth, but it wasn't cursory either. It was mostly a "this is the gist of [insert religion]'s beliefs, here are a few notable variants, and move on to the next one." I enjoyed it, and it was kind of fun when it closed out by assigning us to research a more modern religion, with one of the options being Jediism (don't laugh, for the US government officially recognized it as one and gave it tax-exempt status in 2015). My college course in it - a one-semester one at a public university in central Texas no less (so about as right-wing as you can get without going to a private religious campus) - was more-or-less the same as my high school time, just condensed down to roughly half the time. And the cherry on top for the sh^t sundae to serve these Nat-Cs, my best friend at this college... was a Muslim, and we are still in contact after having graduated years ago. Some of our most fun during our time on campus was making fun of each other's religion (I was Catholic then), and oh, so many hours of listening - and falling over with laughter - to albums of Lewis Black, George Carlin, Sam Kinison, Bill Hicks, and others like them. Who was it that said it or some equivalent of it: "If you are afraid of your religion's fundamentals, there is something deeply wrong with your religion's fundamentals"? If you arr afraid to even look at, let alone discuss, the glaring issues of your religion - and in fairness, this applies to ALL religions (including Jediism) - then you cannot force your religion onto others.

How impotent and anemic is your God YHWH that the only way to keep him as the one and only true God you have to hide every other god from your kids?

Do you mean teaching the religion like Sunday school or teaching about the religion? Your video title didn't make it clear.

@AlfonzoCam

9 ай бұрын

So watch the damn video. Jesus Christ the tiny brain people crying before knowing anything.

8:42 Then lets also teach about christianities faults, like kidnapping, murder, repression against others who dont follow their religion and... wait this sounds familiar...

Wow. A story that isn't totally disheartening. That's quite the rarity these days.

History yes. Preaching and enforcing doctrine, no.

Do we know if they teach on Hinduism/Buddhism in their Asia lessons?

@bootmii98

5 ай бұрын

They definitely teach about Christianity in their Europe unit

The kid might be graduating but god forbid he comes to the realization that he can make his own decisions on this sort of thing because if he decides to embrace another religious philosophy his mother will blame the school system. Might even get a second wind and go back to battle with the excuse of how it diseased her son's brain.

How can teaching any religion in any public school not be an issue with the separation between church and State?

@AlfonzoCam

9 ай бұрын

Because it's teaching not preaching and literally everyone has the right to not go.

I had to learn about Islam in both Jr. High and High School. Did i feel my rights were violated or as if i were being forced to convert? Not a chance! That said the junior high teacher showed she was a major Islamophobe. However when we were about it in High School my high school didn't say anything hateful at all. And guess what that high school teacher ,the one who didn't anything hateful about Islam, was also a Methodist Minister.

I remember seeing a Cali school district that said that teaching yoga was inherently religious. It got dismissed

I bet those same bible bangers would be just fine holding full out church services in the cafeteria at lunch because our imaginary friend is better than yours.

@user-ki1un4jg2d

9 ай бұрын

Jesus is the truth .

When I was in college, I missed my first Mythology class because I was sick. So, before the second class started, I asked my teacher for a syllabus. I quickly read it and asked her when we would cover the Bible? She nearly choked, paused to collect herself, and cleverly got out of the situation by telling me that we only had time to cover the Greek and Roman gods. I wish I knew back then that the New Testament was originally written in Greek, cause I might have pushed her a little further! Other than that, I was never once taught anything about any gods even in college when getting my MS Ed degree. I wish I knew more general info. about all religions.

My god is better than your god. Your god is weaker than my god!!😂😂😂

It would have been clearer if you had said ," teaching about Islam" instead of "teaching Islam".

So pathetic and insecure, how can Christians bear these people embarrassing them like this.

The god of Islam, is the same god of Christians, and the same god of Jews.

😮It's bizarre for the case to oome from New Jersey. There are definitely less diverse pockets in the state, but on the whole, the state is very ethnically diverse and quite liberal. It also has one of the best public school systems in the nation and highest paid teachers. Education isn't really a controversial topic in NJ. Hell, where i grew up, it was so diverse that people called me home town a "little Asia" community. East and south Asian ethnicities were a majority and the rest were a mix of middle class latinos, African-Americans and white folks.. so much so, they just made s school calendar that have everyone off for every religious holiday (Christianity, judaism, islam, Hinduism and Buddhism), plus the Chinese lunar new year. What child didn't want to go aee the dancing dragons that day anyways? The idea of not learning about religious diversity v on 7th grade would be extremely weird in that context. What was the teacher supposed to do? Not explain why the Muslim students were fasting during Ramadan? Pretend that the excitement over the diwali bonfire and fireworks that night just wasnt connected to hinduism at all? By the way, geowing up with all that religious diversity only made it clear that some religions were way cooler than others. Christianity and Islam seemed very boring even by 3rd grade. We even had a cool gym teacher who occasionally had us meditate on rainy days. When the social studies teacher later told us about mediation in Buddhism and New Age religions,we all already knew what she meant. And no parent was ever upset about being returned a slightly calmer child on those days.

@RobespierreThePoof

3 ай бұрын

P.S. The Idea of teachers proselytizing for Islam in NJ is fairly ridiculous given that one issue teachers see routinely is extremely strict, sometimes abusive and sexist Muslim parents. They also see quite a few a*shole Christian parents. That said, fellow atheists ... If you haven't yet educated yourself on the specific dangers that ARE unique to Islam, you really should. I wanted islam to be equally awful with Christianity. That's not what I found when I studied the subject properly.

I prefer "teaching *about* (X religion)" over "teaching (X religion)". It's just an easier distinction than "teaching (X religion)" vs *"teaching* (X religion)".... See the confusion?

Which dark money talibangelist group was behind this suit?

such hypocrites and just bad ppl overall

Is it legal to talk about christmas at school? To teach kids that a magic man in the sky Is going to bring gifts To all the good boys and girls And then not give a shit When santa forgets To give gifts To all the poor kids So they must be bad But rich kids can do no wrong?

It is deeply important for the fundamentals of world religions to be taught in schools. I think there is merit to teaching the negative aspects of them as well, but that's such a delicate matter, and it could be done in a very poor or slammed manner. I just think kids deserve informed consent about their own religion, so they should know at least a little about what the apostates say, but I don't want to promote hatred of other religions in the minds of these kids.

@nicolasandre9886

9 ай бұрын

Ideally, kids should not 'have their own religion' until they have enough information about at least the major religions still practiced in the world, and they have developped some critical thinking skills. Talking about a kid's religions sounds as weird (and to be honest, unhealthy) to me as talking about a kid's political views.

Yay, a happy ending!

People should learn about all faiths. I don't care what anyone else says. Most people are ignorant anyway

Teaching the history of human thought couldn’t be more relevant

Your vids keep freezing. Audio continues but pic freezes.

Hemant, Maybe they should be shown your video on how many people the god of the Bible killed. That would be very educational.

I think grade school students should be taught what religion is, what religious groups that are around the world, and all religious beginnings. At least what historians have learned over time. As long as there aren't signs in the hallways with "John 3 : 16, Allah is great!, or Joseph Smith is a prophet that saw God's word by looking through a hat, and something bout some gold plates." And teachers preaching to the kids and not teaching what they're supposed to. It would be great for kids to understand what religion is, so that they can make a better decision on what religion they would choose, "If" they decide to make that decision. And we all know that's why religious groups are trying their best to change all the honest educational teachings that we are meant to be teaching. It should be a law against children under a certain age, to be indoctrinated with religious beliefs. And you know the difference! Someone who believes in something that is all based on mind manipulating tactics against a child's life and way of thinking, by telling them that they better believe or they will suffer in an eternal torture chamber, or that they only should believe the bible or whatever religious text their parents adhere to. Simply explaining all religious origins, is NOT indoctrinating a child. But we all know what the religious will do. Simply deny any true statements about reality, and always bring up a book that is so corrupt by contradictions that it's ridiculous.

Religion doesn't deserve any respect, let alone the freedom to exist...

@missk1697

9 ай бұрын

I agree - and neither does liberalism.

@ArkhamOrderly

9 ай бұрын

@@missk1697 you spelled fascism, theocracy and authoritarianism wrong.

@nikm5628

9 ай бұрын

@@ArkhamOrderly Melissa K has a new account it seems 😅

@TheHonestPeanut

9 ай бұрын

​@@missk1697 you don't want individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise to be allowed?

@KingRenYen

9 ай бұрын

what... the video we have just watched told us NOT to be extremists for our faith. I think that I should be allowed to believe in non-fundamentalist Hinduism, so long as I dont push it on others and use it to justify hate crimes. And while not all Athiests are exremists, you certainly seem to be one of them

Christian love ...it's like the love of a tiger for it's pray

Ironically, the conservative court’s rejection of the Lemon test opens up schools for more Islamic worship in schools (like a muslim coach “inviting“ players to prey.)

@JonathanB138

9 ай бұрын

*pray

@ThatOpalGuy

9 ай бұрын

@@JonathanB138 prey kinda works, as religions are the OG indoctrinators.

@phillipstephens4522

9 ай бұрын

Yeppers!! In this case prey is the proper context!!

@SpacenSpooks

9 ай бұрын

Prey absolutely works when it comes to catholic priests or other christian leaders 😅@@ThatOpalGuy

@markevans8206

9 ай бұрын

@@phillipstephens4522 doh! I was accidentally clever…

i think a better title would be "...teaching the basics of islamic belief. that's quite different than "...teaching islam,,, it just occurred to me that you may have made the title based upon the lawsuit itself." and not what was actually happening in the schoo.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

In other words, he lied about the title of his video.

@lonnierh0dgejr41

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed i wouldn't say "lied". i'm just not certain of his intentions when he made the title. on one hand, you have the fact that the way it was represented in the lawsuit, which of course blows what was being taught out of proportion and then you have what was actually being taught. it just depends on which perspective the title was made from. in either case, the people who filed the lawsuit misrepresented the facts about what was actually being taught in the school.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@lonnierh0dgejr41 You don't have to change reality to cover for his mistake.... he typed the title of the video; and it does not match reality. Call it for what it is; and then if he takes responsibility for his mistake....you can forgive him at that time.

@lonnierh0dgejr41

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed change reality? i have changed nothing. i only gave my opinion on why he may have made the title what he did. forgive him for what, my confusion? i do not blame others for my mistakes.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@lonnierh0dgejr41 The title of the video is the lie; stop covering for him in a strange stockholm syndrome type maneuver. You're not helping anything by pretending that you are at fault for what he did. You're not confused, his title is just wrong. The end.

...but that all changed when the christian nation attacked.

NOT christians, Talibangelists!!!!

Tech islam or teach about islam?

@AlfonzoCam

9 ай бұрын

Didn't watch it huh.

There should be *NO* religion in any public school, whether it be a subject or after-school activities. That should be an elective {taught scientifically/analytically} in college or a personal thing that has to be chosen by the individual and neither imposed nor forced on the general public, especially children.

@timdowney6721

9 ай бұрын

I disagree. Many kids are indoctrinated from the cradle exclusively about their parents’ religion with no mention of other religions, except In condemnation as “false.” All kids should be exposed to the basic tenets and histories of the many religions around the world and through history. Ignorance is rarely if ever advantageous.

@heretichazel

9 ай бұрын

​@@timdowney6721agreed, I was already on the path out of Christianity but an entire semester of my religion 3 class in high school (religious private school) was just on different world religions, and that definitely helped me with deconverting

@DaraelDraconis

9 ай бұрын

​Gotta side with ​@@timdowney6721on this one. No religion should be taught _as true_ in any public school, but an overview of various religious positions and what their adherents believe and do is vital to understanding the people around us. Don't teach _religion,_ but 100% do teach _about_ it.

@dennisduncan7561

9 ай бұрын

So keep children completely ignorant of other cultures beliefs. Brilliant logic, here's your dunce cap.

@joegoss30

9 ай бұрын

Try learning about the partition of India, the Spanish Inquisition or the Middle East Crisis without having some basics around the religions.

Perhaps teach how backwards, superstitious, anti scientific and oppressive all religions are!

The problem is there's not a single belief which separates 'extremist' Muslim from 'regular' Muslim.

@GilboPaints

9 ай бұрын

I doubt anything I say here will adjust your idea, but… Go meet actually Muslim people. They’re pretty much just like normal Christian households, but Muslim. It’s nonsense to say that an extremist represents the whole.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@GilboPaints I've already done what you advocate that other user do..... and I hate to break it to you; but he's right. There is no difference between regular islam and so called extreme islam. The literal only difference I found among the people I talked with or ate with or worked with was whether they didn't actually believe it (but accepted the label) or actually took it seriously.

@GilboPaints

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed I literally know non-extremist Muslims. These communities are global. Sure a bunch of the history and text is awful, that’s the case for most religions. But religions aren’t really based in their text as much as I’d like. It’s a culture made of people. And every Muslim I’ve even met hasn’t been chill. Extremism does exist, but being Muslim isn’t the same as being extremist.

@ThatOpalGuy

9 ай бұрын

aaaaaand.... you're wrong.

@ThatOpalGuy

9 ай бұрын

@@GilboPaints i would suggest reporting this as the hate speech it is.

I have unsubscribed because this channel allows ads that CAN NOT BE SKIPPED. I choose to view only those ads for products and services that I am interested in. Why should you force me to view the entire ad for a product that I have no interest in? Waist my time.

@AlfonzoCam

9 ай бұрын

He doesn't pick the ads. It's funny you got one ad and cried when I didn't get a single ad at all. google literally already stated this KZread ads are all connected to your metadata from Google ads since the last time you connected to your google account. Fyi click the stop seeing this ad tab and categorize your damn ass.

@dalecs47

9 ай бұрын

Customer feedback is important and valuable. Instead of being insulting, you should be thanking me. @@AlfonzoCam

@youtubestudiosucks978

6 ай бұрын

​@@dalecs47 are you having an aneurism or do you suffer from a stroke?

Either the name typed on the title of this video is wrong.....for which you should apologize......... or you are completely and undeniably and irrefutably ethically wrong about not only this issue but also the United States Constitution and all amendments to it as well. It is "ABSOLUTELY" unconstitutional to teach Islam in a public school as that would be an establishment of a religion. If you are teaching "about" Islam in the same way that a literature course in a public school might teach about the fairy tales and myths of scandinavian polytheism just to analyze the literature styles and methods.... fine. But that is not teaching Islam, that is teaching about islam existing. And as I said at the start, if that is what you meant...... then you made a mistake typing the title of your video and should change that or apologize for it.

@pearcat08

9 ай бұрын

Did you even watch the video? It makes it abundantly clear what he meant. A poor choice of wording for the title, to be sure, but if you actually watch the video it is abundantly clear that he is referring to teaching about Islam. You could have skipped your whole first paragraph if you had just, you know, watched the video? Also, apologize for what? Not giving an accurate title to a video? You make it sound like he committed some horrible crime. Get a grip.

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@pearcat08 Your reply was of no relevance or value..... the two scenarios of my original comment remain the options. One of the options is more egregious than the other. Stop making excuses for either option.

@DarkFleurofIra

9 ай бұрын

Have you never heard of forgetting a word in your text and don't realize until after the fact? Happens all the time

@laertesindeed

9 ай бұрын

@@DarkFleurofIra Have you ever read someone listing two options and then ignored the fact that one of the options contains what you replied about....?

@DarkFleurofIra

9 ай бұрын

@@laertesindeed Just saying, you mostly act as if something nefarious is going on