Judean and Egyptian Novellas of the Achaemenid and Hellenistic Periods | Joey Cross

Joey Cross, PhD candidate in the department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations at the University of Chicago, presents an at-home lecture that explores the elements of storytelling in the Achaemenid and Hellenistic periods, while shining a light on how scholars reconstruct the world of this art form.
Joey is currently writing a dissertation on novellas written in Egypt and Judea during the Achaemenid and Hellenistic periods. This interdisciplinary project explores a new type of storytelling shared uniquely by these two cultures, with remarkably similar literary features, cultural concerns, and social contexts. Joey also teaches online courses for the OI and contributes to the museum's docent training program.
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  • @strayghoul
    @strayghoul4 жыл бұрын

    Love the format, the speaker and the subject, thank you to the OI!

  • @raf155
    @raf1554 жыл бұрын

    This is a wonderful format and forum to learn about what the next generation of scholars are examining. Good luck moving forward.

  • @samisiddiqi5411
    @samisiddiqi54114 жыл бұрын

    Excellent presentation. I can't wait to read your dissertation!

  • @robertlevit3599
    @robertlevit35994 жыл бұрын

    Thank you. Enjoyed the content and format. More please!

  • @AlanCanon2222
    @AlanCanon22223 жыл бұрын

    Perfect! Thanks so much.

  • @glutinousmaximus
    @glutinousmaximus4 жыл бұрын

    ... A hugely absorbing subject which encapsulates so many ancient stories and perhaps *how and why* It seems to have been so necessary to us all to have such roots and heroes in our histories starting perhaps with _Gilgamesh._ Thanks so much - and good luck with your future studies!

  • @lievenmoelants
    @lievenmoelants3 жыл бұрын

    Great lecture, not being a philologist myself, this introduces me to a very interesting world of literature!

  • @leonardoferrari4852
    @leonardoferrari48524 жыл бұрын

    This is awesome, thank you so much!!

  • @samuelbacahenry
    @samuelbacahenry3 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic talk. Your students, readers, and the profession are fortunate to have you

  • @ericwhitacre8367
    @ericwhitacre83674 жыл бұрын

    Very informative and enjoyable! Thanks!

  • @deantunkara1567
    @deantunkara15674 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating. I love the format.

  • @BakedDrLuny
    @BakedDrLuny4 жыл бұрын

    I'd love to see more of these

  • @TheGeorgb83
    @TheGeorgb834 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting lecture. Thanks a lot!

  • @suzbone
    @suzbone4 жыл бұрын

    Great presentation of fascinating material, thank you! Well done!

  • @clairerobsin
    @clairerobsin2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Oi! :O)

  • @AronowitzIORT
    @AronowitzIORT3 жыл бұрын

    This is an excellent and unexpectedly delightful talk. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge in this talk and thank you for studying this field.

  • @mdshett2
    @mdshett24 жыл бұрын

    Excellent presentation, Mr. Cross.

  • @mgk284
    @mgk2842 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting and delightful reading suggestions.

  • @Misszirvita
    @Misszirvita4 жыл бұрын

    Great talk, thank you!!

  • @johnbryant8603
    @johnbryant86034 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much 🎩🙏🏽🇲🇽📚

  • @mudgetheexpendable
    @mudgetheexpendable4 жыл бұрын

    Very enjoyable! A side benefit for me was that I *finally* heard an explication of "exegesis" that makes sense to me.

  • @halporter9

    @halporter9

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have comandeeereed this ipad

  • @halporter9

    @halporter9

    4 жыл бұрын

    I love the abstract, let’s get into this abstract. let’s get the Rorschach goin

  • @halporter9

    @halporter9

    4 жыл бұрын

    I can do parody. It’s what I’m doing right... now..

  • @cuervojones4889
    @cuervojones48893 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for a very interesting and informative talk. I will be sharing this with friends who are interested in storytelling as an art.

  • @allangardiner2515
    @allangardiner25154 жыл бұрын

    Thanks so much and wold love to hear more from you. I wonder what relationship there is to late classical Greek-Roman novels.

  • @glutinousmaximus

    @glutinousmaximus

    4 жыл бұрын

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah

  • @Aithiopika
    @Aithiopika4 жыл бұрын

    The anecdote recorded by Saint Augustine about silent reading concerns Saint Ambrose, Bishop of Milan, not Saint Anselm. (those similar sounding names will get you every time :) )

  • @josephcross6150

    @josephcross6150

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes, thank you, I'm always confusing them!

  • @FoyScalf

    @FoyScalf

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@josephcross6150 The mention is at 10:24. This is a famously cited passage. Paul Saenger made quite a lot out of it in his article "Silent Reading: Its Impact on Late Medieval Script and Society" and elaborated on it at length in his book Space between Words: The Origins of Silent Reading. Likewise, Ivan Illich, in his In the Vineyard of the Text: A Commentary to Hugh's Didascalion, also focused on the episode of Ambrose mentioned by Augustine. This is a discussion that goes back at least to 1927. However, it has been prominently dismantled, for example, by William Johnson, "Toward a Sociology of Reading in Classical Antiquity," AJP 121 (2000), 593-627 and R. McCutcheon, "Silent Reading in Antiquity and the Future History of the Book," Book History 18 (2015), 1-32. It's certainly a very interesting vignette, but I'm skeptical of what many people (such as Saenger and Illich) have read into it and I fall more on the side of Johnson and McCutcheon. Certainly people in the ancient world could, and did, read silently, even if most of the population, who would have largely been illiterate, heard the stories through oral performance.

  • @glutinousmaximus
    @glutinousmaximus4 жыл бұрын

    This video very much puts me in mind of (Sir) Terry Pratchett - he wrote the famous "Diskworld" novels. In his stories there is a quality of life sleeting through our universe called "Narrativium". A quality that has power and persuasion to all of us humans throughout History. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld

  • @2ezee2011
    @2ezee20113 жыл бұрын

    enjoyed that a lot! Retelling of stories/subject/method defies times and places. Humans are humans

  • @travelchannel304
    @travelchannel304 Жыл бұрын

    Ohh..i considered /wanted to study there in that very department! LOL

  • @KarimDeLakarim
    @KarimDeLakarim4 жыл бұрын

    Cool man.

  • @kaarlimakela3413
    @kaarlimakela34133 жыл бұрын

    Los Espookys!!!

  • @scienceexplains302
    @scienceexplains3024 жыл бұрын

    Dr Cross, what is the evidence that Jonah is a parody, rather than a regular novella that incorporates beliefs about Yahweh?

  • @glutinousmaximus

    @glutinousmaximus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jonah and "The Big Fish" is one of the obvious OT attempt to provide "Heroes" throughout Jewish history ~ like David and Goliath and many many others. See for instance - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah

  • @cuneytkuzu2071
    @cuneytkuzu20714 жыл бұрын

    PLEASE WHY NOT ANOTHER SUBTIITEL ... GERMAN ' TURKİSH . İŞ VERY İNTERESANT VİDEOS BUTH I CAN NOT UNDERSTAND OAL. THANK YOU👍

  • @christophergraves6725
    @christophergraves67252 жыл бұрын

    Why does he think that Jonah was not actually swallowed by a huge sea creature such as a whale? Is God not able to bring about what we read in the Book of Jonah? I suspect he is assuming there is no God. That is a big assumption that requires justification. There are very good reasons to doubt naturalism and materialism. To say that Jonah has no spiritual application is incredibly shallow and naive.

  • @KeinsingtonCisco
    @KeinsingtonCisco4 жыл бұрын

    I am scared that you deleted my comment about the Phoenicians bringing these stories from India

  • @ISAC_UChicago

    @ISAC_UChicago

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hi @KeinsingtonCisco! We do not remove any comments that do not break our community rules, and have not removed anything from you on this thread. I checked the review list that KZread keeps automatically for comments with certain words in them, but could not find anything either. Could you repeat your comment, maybe? Thanks! (kb)

  • @KeinsingtonCisco

    @KeinsingtonCisco

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ISAC_UChicago HI and sorry for the misunderstanding I guess it got deleted by accident/language? I just mentioned that the hairstyles in the deir el-medina image look like the Hare Krishna or Japanese/chineese Buddhist top knot hair cut with the shaved forehead. (I just realized maybe cause I wrote the short form for Japanese maybe KZread considers it derogatory?) Any who, thanks for the great content! Cheers!!

  • @glutinousmaximus

    @glutinousmaximus

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes, the _Panchatantra_ is a likely source of many such stories now embedded in Jewish history ~ like The 'Wisdom of Solomon' etc. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panchatantra