Very insightful and generally spot-on investigation into what makes this track special, both despite and because of its unpolished imperfections. To this day it’s a harrowing listen.

Having epilepsy takes you into some very deep places most people only see it as uncontrollable shakes but believe me it's far more. I can understand Ian being driven to the edge by its control over you and even though having fits that have gone on for an hour sometimes led me to not wanting to leave the house there's a weird creative inspiration that comes from it to, it's almost a shamanic experience. I believe Ian was driven to leave a mark behind but couldn't take the daily routine of this unseen attack.

According to Hook's book there were a couple of other songs on the first album that began as Joy Division songs.

@stupidvideos1449

Ай бұрын

Which songs?

I went to New Orders gig at Heaven .. I was standing next to the PA and the bass when they played "In a lonely place" will remain with me till I die

I didn't quite get the gist of your video. The Demo of In a lonely place is utterly perfect. Apart from the (recording) sound quality I don't here any flaws. And the bass line is just perfect.

1981 MOVEMENT is my favorite record from the new order. It has the remnants of Joy division. The beginnings of the next phase. I remember when rough trade records fell apart. I ran right out to get a copy of that CD before they were gone for a while. Hope you're doing better. Glad to see you back, simon.

I came across this video and your channel by chance, probably because I listen to this track at least once a day. I'm very impressed by your analysis, and you've earned yourself a new subscriber.

I believe that if they had been together long enough to make a third album, it would have been a dark, dark masterpiece. With songs like the one you're talking about plus Ceremony, and Atmosphere, it could have been an insanely remarkable album.

My favorite lyric from this song is “faster, Stephen, faster”. Barney is a genius

Great analysis, glad you took the time to go back and complete it. And screw the algorithms, youtube's already awash with rehashed regurgitated content, it's refreshing to find something unique

*The ending of In a Lonely Place is just epic, gets a load of repeats when I listen to it*

I saw New Order play in Sydney on the 5th anniversary of Curtis’ death, they played Sister Ray as an encore which I know is not a JD song but you could take it as a tribute

Excellent essay. Regarding your intro, I have had these thoughts listening to ‘The Eternal’ and imagining how it was written presumably by lads hanging out, laughing and drinking beers only hours earlier in the day. This is the power of art. To channel the unseen and unheard and unsaid into pure feeling and transcendence

Beautiful and bleak at the same time - thank you for this

Interesting analysis. Thank you.

Really good!!

I find the exquisite bleakness of this cathartic, sometimes you have to wallow self-indulgently in the misery to reach the other side, but sadly the undertow was too much for Ian. I regularly link to it on FB music appreciation groups, and your dissection of it might have to be linked there too in future. I've still got that single pictured at 08:13 tucked away, as if its the lock puzzle from Hellraiser, and those 9 bass notes are the key to that dark dimension. Thanks for posting about this under appreciated gem.

@igotdarkaether4813

9 ай бұрын

Are you a thesaurus? 😂

@colin2utube

9 ай бұрын

@@igotdarkaether4813 The music justified the effort !

@igotdarkaether4813

9 ай бұрын

@@colin2utube fair lad. have a great night!

It’s not correct that New Order didn’t play Joy Division songs for 18 years. They started playing some JD songs since about 1983 again. Bought a live tape of New Order, where they played Love Will Tear us apart in 1983. But you’re correct that they started to play JD songs on a regular basis about 1998.

@jumofi

5 ай бұрын

Earlier... they played twice in 1981 instrumental versions during soundchecks

@_Superfluent

5 ай бұрын

TIL! Cheers mate

great to have you back

I was wondering why you had a woolly jumper on in the middle of a heatwave. You must save on heating bills in there. Great to see you back. I love your content.

That cupboard's bigger than my house. Lucky bastard 😆

First video I’ve ever seen of yours and I’d love to see more joy division or some new order videos. And how does your cupboard time travel lol?

@_Superfluent

7 ай бұрын

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The Ice Age

@_Superfluent

7 ай бұрын

Dammit missed that one

It wasn't a premonition; it was a statement of what he was going to do. People plan their suicides.

@glenngastonjonsson7954

9 ай бұрын

I would say that most guys want to die, but the ones that actually go through with it, are pretty drunk.

@gurrenmed5319

4 күн бұрын

​@@glenngastonjonsson7954 I don't think so, Ian wasn't drunk, Ian's first suicide attempt implies that he can do it again regardless of what he was on. He was always depressed and I know damn well when things heat up then nothing rational is logical at that point and that's when he broke and killed himself.

Dig that Lookie Stevens, lend me your comb bit. No you're the almighty Simon and you know all already but in case you didn't. There's an episode of MARRIED WITH CHILDREN with anthrax and Mr Stevens sing a few lines from the song at the end. But your dig at the past is way cooler. Just like you man.

In 1989 when us vinyl was on the way out. I had bought a cutout of CLOSER. It was for US Dollars that those were the days, simon?. Though I guess you are a little too young to have experienced that.

Their music his LYRICS, prescription drugs killed him nothing else.

Just a suicide note. He tried it twice previously...

Peter hook is the coolest bass player ever