Josh Pate On Alabama Recruiting Under Kalen DeBoer (Late Kick Cut)
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Alabama has seen Transfer Portal attrition since Kalen DeBoer was hired, but now some big recruiting wins have changed the tone. Josh Pate responded to the new energy in Tuscaloosa with several thoughts on Late Kick Live Ep 490. Is Kalen DeBoer the right hire at the right time? How will he be able to acclimate to things in the SEC? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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People forget that Alabama has more titles without Bear Bryant or Nick Saban than most schools have in their entire history
DeBoer is going to be just fine at Bama.
@davebryant8050
Ай бұрын
Get back to me after the season and tell me how 6-6 is a good year.
@HotLikePu94
Ай бұрын
@@davebryant8050 bama literally just ran through this conference with a non existent offense and you're telling me they lose 6 while playing one team with a slight better roster?
This new coaching staff is making connections in recruiting all across Alabama, Texas, and Georgia! The #2 player in Alabama committed to Bama today. Bama is going to be a monster in recruiting because Kalen DeBoer made sure to hire outstanding recruiters as position coaches. Robert Gillespie, Freddie Roach, Kane Wommack, Colin Hitschler, Maurice Linguist and Christian Robinson are all young Top 10 recruiters.
@davebryant8050
Ай бұрын
I see that staff more like a Jack St. staff but we'll see in a few months. I originally thought D was a good hire but it's been down hill since.
I have faith in DeBoer. Roll Tide!
Every recruit Alabama lands is just another dig I throw at my Auburn friends about "Husky Harsin" getting it done again.
@yukslime8468
Ай бұрын
Washington is better than bama and it’s not close
@michaelatkinson6730
Ай бұрын
@@yukslime8468 You mean football?
@handsomehebrew
Ай бұрын
@@yukslime8468man, you don’t even believe that shit yourself 😂
@Fulcrum205
Ай бұрын
Washington did win all those national championships in a much harder conference
@Purp4040
Ай бұрын
Bama excited for four star nows?
This is why Josh is my go to on everything college football related
Derick Smith just committed 💯🐘
@jonathanwilliam980
Ай бұрын
who?
@Lukas-rw7ok
Ай бұрын
@@jonathanwilliam980 receiver
@Lukas-rw7ok
Ай бұрын
@@jonathanwilliam980 an Alabama receiver just committed
@jonathanwilliam980
Ай бұрын
@@Lukas-rw7ok nice
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
@@jonathanwilliam980 top 30 player in top 300. Elite prospect.
I am very excited about the New Alabama Dynasty!!!
Josh pulling out the nature vs nurture scientific argument. And they said it couldn't be done in college football. What a scholar and a gentleman!!!
It’s a pretty simple equation. Alabama = a place you want to play. DeBoer = a coach you want to play for. Alabama + DeBoer = the ultimate combo when everyone has the money to spend in the SEC NIL game. Glad you’ve stuck to your guns on this because I’m not remotely surprised by the success in recruiting - which is truly my only concern because he took lesser talent to greater heights at UW. He’s no Nick, but he’s one hell of a replacement for him.
I think his offense will look great, and I think that will get the attention of alot of kids that want to play in it! I hope I'm right, we'll see
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
I agree & I think you're correct.
Exactamundo…”he is beating the big boys with lesser talented rosters”.
I think it’s really interesting that they gave the title of “GM” to Courtney Morgan. I think Ohio State and maybe a handful of other programs even have a staffer with that title. At first I thought it was just a tagline for his role but the way things are going with the landscape of college football, it seems that the GM role is very forward thinking and as of right now Alabama and Ohio State are far ahead of the curve with what’s to come.
I'm oddly terrified of DeBoer & Alabama staying elite. 😳
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
🤫🤫 we coming.
@Greydawg
Ай бұрын
@@christopherwoodson7162 I'm afraid you're right. 🤔
@crimsonkings205
Ай бұрын
@@Greydawg Did you think Bama was about to fall off??? We tried to tell you folks but you always refuse to listen.
@Greydawg
Ай бұрын
@@crimsonkings205 I said I'm afraid of Alabama staying elite, though? Not the same as saying they are definitely not elite is all. 🤷♂️
@crimsonkings205
Ай бұрын
@@Greydawg Okay, I gotcha. But, Alabama does have the ability to remain elite. DeBoer has really been impressive since he has got to Alabama.
Literally picked up Derick Smith today, a huge 4-star top 100 in-state athlete, offered by all the big SEC schools. This staff DeBoer put together is working hard and building great relationships already, they're going to do just fine. Top 1 or 3? Maybe not, top 5-10 would be huge for Bama fans after just losing the best to do it.
@Purp4040
Ай бұрын
Yall excited about 4 stars committing now?
@TheVaux
Ай бұрын
@@Purp4040 don’t keep up with recruiting very well huh? Top 100 in most services and a top 5 athlete. We call those big recruits at every school. Hate on though 😂
Agree. The pool of available elite players to be recruited is exponentially larger than what he had available in the Northwest. Excluding NIL payments, having "connections", at the JC & HS levels would be most helpful. I guess that's where the alumni comes into play. Great work, Josh.
Im really excited for guys who have waited for their time like Keon, and kendrick law to go crazy.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Bama is more dominate over the next 3 years than they were under saban during the Tail end of his stint. This coaching staff brings a lot of new young energy and that’s going to impact recruiting and on field play positively Kalen DeBoars offense is Great for the new generation it’s exactly the type scheme all the best players wanna play in. Coach Shepard is the 2nd best WR coach in the country with respects to hartline. Womack is an excellent defensive mind I wouldn’t be surprised if bama only kept him for 2-3 years. Retaining coaches like Freddie roach was really important to. Saban was the goat but we clearly saw a decline in Staff quality towards the end and it cost us some championships.
@chrisullery3386
Ай бұрын
😂 🍊🍊🍊
@marquez6548
Ай бұрын
@@chrisullery3386 Ik a fan of a team with 1 win in 15 years isn’t commenting under me
This season is crucial for the future of kids wanting to play for debor
I’m from Alabama and dont understand why southerners think that Coaches not from the south can’t recruit talent in the south. It’s a crazy mindset.
Coach Debo is recruiting well. Look out college football!!
The hell with recruiting he inherited a great team.... i want to see his X's and O's
Just great information on this site.
Kiffin can recruit in the SEC... BeBoer can too! Kiffin, with his bland misdemeanor and weird outlook on things, has done really well!
Josh's surfing analogy is what makes him a great analyst for college football. Spot on again.
NIL was supposed to be cashing in on value you made for yourself after you started playing. Not for recruiting. Not for roster retention. Not for extorting your coach for money. Agents and businesses/promoters can work that out with the family if kid becomes a star. We should not have coaches arranging payments. Not their job. This is all wrong. And we all know it.
@JSchaffer214
Ай бұрын
Yeah, I don't have an issue with college athletes making some money, but this NIL deal wasn't thought through very well.
Alabama will be fine. They’ll be competitive in the SEC and likely win it some years but they will not be head and shoulders above their rivals like they have been.
@billwilliams2242
Ай бұрын
You hope 😂
@BamaChamp
Ай бұрын
@@billwilliams2242it's facts 😂 any team with a good offense wins a lot of games in general, even with no defense. Deboer is an offensive minded coach, who ended up getting a DC who had a higher ranked defense for his former team than Bama did. If lsu could win 10 games with NO defense at all, then Bama could easily win more games consistently through the years
@billwilliams2242
Ай бұрын
@@BamaChamp yea I should of been clearer I'm saying he maybe even better Roll Tide
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
Nah they will still dominate the SEC title picture like they have under Saban. Remember they have won 3 of the past 4 SEC titles. UGA isn't ever going to consistently beat Alabama. They never have in their history.
Every one needs to get of deboer bama and deboer will be just fine
Just need to remember going into this season that Saban's first season at Alabama was 7-6 with a loss to LAMO.
Love your insights. Roll Tide. You are THE go to football guru. Yeah you are.
Bama will succeed!
Hus first few years will be just fine recruiting. Now what he does with the talent, the next two to three years from now. Will show how well he will continue to recruit or not. If not. I doubt Alabama will stick with him. If that's the case. Time will tell though
You’re 100% right Josh
Nice to hear the Kearney Nebraska shoutout! Thanks, Josh. It's pronounced Karney - like a person that works at a carnival.
@kakykall
Ай бұрын
🏄♂️
It sounds like the discount is as losing steam anyway
He looks good in the sec so far hope he Kan keep it up still hopefully optimistic lol
Dude watch what you say. Bama has the #2 recruiting class in the SEC now. How many nattys does your team have in total. Mike drop😂
One of your better segments...
It’s cause of roll tide Willie!!!
@bamabelle7847
Ай бұрын
Errbody loves Roll Tide Willie❤️❤️❤️
Deboer might not recruit top 5 but he will coach at Top 5 level. Consistent Top 10 program with Title upside is the standard now.
@jamesmarshall6619
Ай бұрын
That's essentially what Clemson did. Clemson always had top 15 but not always top 5 or top 10 and they were still competing for national championships. Get enough talent, coach them up well, you can compete.
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
@@jamesmarshall6619 that's going to continue as well. Lol
@GrayGamer
Ай бұрын
He will probably start refuting top 5 when recruits see him winning games at alabama
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
@@GrayGamer yep. I been saying that. More recruits will come when bama starts winning with him. Even more eyes then what we already have will be looking at Bama.
Josh Pate is aggressively reasonable
Welcome to the New College Football. They’ve made a movie about this dynamic it’s called Money Ball.
Shout out to Kelly Slater..the real Goat. Hardest sport there is
Players are going to find out that his offensive is going to help me get to the NFL. And, be a very high draft pick and be ready. The, defense will always be great
Josh hoping Bama rise real bad, a true Bama homer 😂
@joshuablack9511
Ай бұрын
judging from your past comments on this channel you seem to be a closeted bama homer yourself. cant seem to keep them out of your mouth😂
@Donny_DeVito
Ай бұрын
A Bama homer? You haven’t heard him speak on PSU, have you? Lol
@Rolltide3000
Ай бұрын
Hater party of 1…..your table is ready.
@youknowme1701
Ай бұрын
Sounds like you are hoping that Bama falls real bad. You Keep hoping. 😂😂
I didn't expect Alabama to fall off the face of the earth, but I expect them to come back down to reality..
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
You will be wrong. Alabama doesn't come back down to reality unless the NCAA decides to step in. That is literally the only time in their history they were "Bad". When the NCAA threw the book at them.
Whoever said Bama didn’t have the resources to play the NIL game? These are very new things I’m hearing.
I’d be worried if I wasn’t a bama fan
Roll tide roll
ON3 has Bama ranked #7 for 2025 recruiting
I mean… he’s definitely a better coach than Sark and I’d venture a guess to say he’s proven better than Venables at this point as well. I think Bama has a relatively manageable schedule, but strong enough to make some noise.
@Bearlover722
Ай бұрын
Better than Sark? Sark learned under the best. Josh is just trying to make us feel good. Will have a tough year and are competitors are laughing.
@jimmcewen9351
Ай бұрын
Manageable schedule, road games at Wisconsin Tennessee LSU and Oklahoma, and Georgia in Tuscaloosa in September, it’s brutal
@dreamshakejunya
Ай бұрын
@@Bearlover722 lol yes. Better than Sark. I can say that without a doubt. And deep down you agree with it. Otherwise you would have started with his *results* instead of his *education* Fact is Sark’s been a mediocre coach for most of his career. He could use recent success to catapult himself, but at both Texas and USC he coached with *considerable* talent advantages and this is the first season that he even had a good year. He also went 1-2 against the “good” teams he played this past season. And he also had to play like 5 backup QBs and get a gift to survive UH. Deboer won 11 games then 14 games at a school that we were told Sark did an “amazing” job winning 7 games at. And beat him head-to-head with less talent. I have no problems putting their records against each other.
@dreamshakejunya
Ай бұрын
@@jimmcewen9351 lol for Bama and the SEC that should be a favorable schedule. Sure Georgia is tough, but it’s early and everyone forgets early losses. Especially when it’s Alabama. Wisconsin is coming off of a 7-6 season. They may be tough, but I’m not seeing them as a super threat to Bama. Maybe they’ll get it together this season… but I’m not putting too much faith into that. LSU on the road is always tough. But that’s a winnable game for them in my opinion. Especially with LSU losing Jayden Daniels I’m not fearing OU at this point. I think Ole Miss and/or Texas would have been tougher games tbh. Tennessee is a toss up. It’s a rivalry game that that bama has dominated in conference. But they were 4-4 last season coming off of massive hype.
@CrashB111
Ай бұрын
@@Bearlover722 it's pretty empirical that DeBoer is better than Sark. He beat him twice in a row, with less talented players.
Alabama recruit$ it$elf
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
🎯🎯
@jrcrit8843
Ай бұрын
So we’re gonna pretend those years before Saban didn’t exist? 😂 you Bama fans are living off of wishful thinking at best. Bama doesn’t recruit for itself. Saban did the recruiting which is why yall lost all those recruits when he announced his retirement.
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
@@jrcrit8843 funny bc Bama didn't " lose all the recruits when Saban left " did some guys leave? Yeah of course they would. I mean when you lose the literal GOAT you're bound to have some attrition. BUT & I say that with emphasis, Bama losing lots of guys every year to the portal & the NFL. Even with Saban leaving & the NFL Bama is returning 45% of their production WITH A NEW COACH & STAFF. Bama finished #2 in recruiting even AFTER Saban left. They had 30 days, Bama lost 4 starters & a few reserves that were like 4th on the DC. Top 15 currently for 25' but keep going.
@jrcrit8843
Ай бұрын
@@christopherwoodson7162 you literally lost your 5-star QB that y’all were glazing until he transferred. You lost current players that were starters this past season. Simply put, no one plays for Bama. They played for Saban. No one cares about some country hick town called Tuscaloosa Alabama. Have fun in your delusion though. Reality of next season will hit you regardless. Your best days are behind you chump
@matthewcearbaugh9762
Ай бұрын
@@jrcrit8843 I'm not a Bama fan. I was pointing out that Bama has been paying players under the table. Hence recruiting it$elf.
Chris peterson and even jimmy lake recruited better than Kalen deboer did at Washington
@eugeneengram9230
Ай бұрын
Which one of them played for a National Championship though?Neither!Roll Damn Tide Man!
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
No they didn't. Deboer's first class at Washington was ranked 26th and Lake never recruited a class rated better than 30th.
@yukslime8468
Ай бұрын
@@Phillip-xi2cq ok my fault Peterson’s classes were better though
let's go! 🌊🅰️🌊💕🌊🐘
How many 3 stars are NFL Pro bowlers!!?? Josh Allen was a zero or 1 star recruit!!
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
Josh Jacob's & Eddie Jackson are 2
Isnt this the same guy that everyone said couldn't recruit? 😂😂😂
nah, it’s Debover for the tide
@cdock4cd
Ай бұрын
Won’t say that in November
@christopherwoodson7162
Ай бұрын
Until we smash your team.
Alabama will never pay for play. Ever!
Finesse 2 times
Washington’s recruiting ranking went up after Kalen deboer left
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
No it didn't. Their roster got worse. Since their best players left for Alabama via the transfer portal. They literally have 2 3 star player committed.
@thierrylepere9828
Ай бұрын
That's because no one was recruiting there at the time of the transition. Dude...what else could it do. Your football IQ is showing 😢 and it looks like you need to go back to school
@yukslime8468
Ай бұрын
@@Phillip-xi2cq there roster got worse🤦♂️ yes but there transfer and overall recruit rank went up
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
@@yukslime8468 Their roster got better. Most the players outside of Caleb Downs and Bond were going to have to leave anyway to fit in the 2024 class. On Top of that Alabama picked up 5 4 star transfers and Signed the #2 Recruiting class.. Go look at the transfers at Alabama. A lot of them weren't producing numbers at Alabama.
@yukslime8468
Ай бұрын
@@Phillip-xi2cq lol
This is an overreaction the other way. What other teams fans said is they won’t be a perineal top 5 or maybe even top 10 class every year and Bama fans won’t be ok with that. Top 3 recruiting classes every year from Bama those days are indeed OVER.
Auburn will be the future of Alabama because they like Clemson except in the sec a unique school who has the best big game stadium in the country and them competing with Georgia lsu and now ole miss is what fans wanna see !
@AustinHunter8
Ай бұрын
You are literally coming off of a losing season and you’re suddenly gonna step past a team that just went 12-2 and hired a coach right out of the National Championship game? Sit all the way down.
2025 class is not even close to being ready for a ranking. Way too much invested in esrly numbers.
Dude loves talking about his team lmao
@LateKickwithJoshPate
Ай бұрын
The audience loves me talking about this team; therefore I do. - JP
So alabama is excited bout 4 stars committing now? 😅😅
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
Yes considering 4 star Players generally make up 80% of classes that are rated in the Top 5. Are you ignorant ?
@thierrylepere9828
Ай бұрын
Yes we are. What are you excited about???
@Purp4040
Ай бұрын
@@Phillip-xi2cq exactly was* majority 4 Stars now it will be closer to 50-60 percent and more 3 stars and way less 5 stars. 4 star and above was expectations now, hope you get 1 or 2 five stars usually by now bama has 3 already. But you have 4 four stars and a 3 star for 25' class.
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
@@thierrylepere9828 I am excited by Alabama's roster and that their recruiting is still steamrolling.
@thierrylepere9828
Ай бұрын
Yes we are. What are you excited about?
Deboer seems to be cruising and enjoying his newfound rock star status. We'll know his future after he gets hit in the face against Georgia and the tide turns on him.
I give him 2 years and he will be gone. Alabama will go through 3 or 4 coaches before they realize that they will never get another Saben and that they will be average for a generation.
Saban and Fisher gone gives a HUGE boost to LSU recruiting. Watch out because though you don't agree Brian Kelly is one of the faces of CFB. The gaff you made to me that he almost got fired this year sounded like an emotional response from you.
Nobody said it was going to "dissapear into the abyss" Cut it out, Josh. They did and WILL take a hit though. A noticeable one, and that did happen. FOH!
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
How are they going to take a noticeable hit >? They literally still have one of the Top 3 Rosters in the country. They just hired a guy that went to the playoffs with a way less talented roster. They finished 12-2 in 2023. You think they roster the have is going to lose what 5 games somehow ? That is the only way it is noticeable. Stop the BS. This Alabama roster with Deboer coaching it at worst loses 3 games with a playoff appearance. Hate to break it to you but Alabama isn't sliding noticeably anytime soon.
@bigfellamike1913
Ай бұрын
@@Phillip-xi2cq if you think bama over the next 10 years will have the same recruiting they did over the previous 10... I have a bridge to sell you lol. But yes they will absolutely still be a good squad.
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
@@bigfellamike1913 You will be sorely disappointed. Recruiting rankings for Alabama the next 10 years will be Top 5. On Top of that their tranfer portal recruiting will highly improve. Which coaches like Kirby Smart hasn't adapted to yet. The reason Deboer and his staff was successful at Washington was key pickups in the Portal. Alabama recruits itself even before Saban was there. Alabama had Top 10 classes every season almost before Saban got there. 2006 and 2007 Alabama signed Top 10 classes before he arrived once the scholarship limitations were removed. Do some research. Get ready to be sad, mad and fat.
@bigfellamike1913
Ай бұрын
@@Phillip-xi2cq Why would i be mad or sad? I'm just being realistic. Bama wont win 3 championships in 10 years with DeBoer like they did with saban and they WILL see a recruiting drop off ever so slightly :). They will have less recruiting and on field success with KDB how much less is yet to be seen. Thats all. Don't get so emotional it's cringy.
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
@@bigfellamike1913 Bahahahaha get ready to be wrong.
A couple of 3-loss seasons and recruiting will fall off.
@Phillip-xi2cq
Ай бұрын
Not true. A 2 loss regular season in the SEC will still land them in the Playoffs. If they lose in the Playoffs the first season it won't kill their program or hurt their recruiting. Recruiting is about Dollars now and Alabama has the Dollars.
Alabama has always paid for players, always
@loupi4bama
Ай бұрын
🥱
@Lukas-rw7ok
Ай бұрын
Every single SEC team does. You think texas , Georgia , LSU doesn’t? Lol
@Mike-cv9rr
Ай бұрын
@@loupi4bama hey loupi this is rainbow
@loupi4bama
Ай бұрын
@@Mike-cv9rr Where you been dude? You doin ok?
Alabama will be better coached with DeBoer than Saban....fact.
@wealthyfuture4274
Ай бұрын
i been trying to tell ppl that the past 3 years saban had questionable staff hires and the development and discipline had tail off a bit this new staff is looking great so far but only time will tell RTR🐘
@CrashB111
Ай бұрын
Obviously, at the head coach position it's a downgrade. Nick Saban was and is the best college football coach of all time, so that's not knocking DeBoer. That's just Nick Saban being Nick Saban. At our other position groups though, there's definitely been coaching upgrades. It seems like since 2020 it's been hard if not impossible for Saban to get the coaching staffs he truly wanted. Whether that's negative recruiting by other staffs based on his age, or guys just not wanting to commit to coach for a guy that might retire soon. Saban was having to coach with assistants below his standard at the end of his career, and he was still dragging the team to National Title contention.
@jamesniday9236
Ай бұрын
Without question.....
@Bearlover722
Ай бұрын
Ok Homer. Damn, I didn't realize we had fans like you. Do you even know what a fact is?
@briangwin1251
Ай бұрын
Well if that's true, then oh boy we're gonna have some fun...lol. If you're saying we upgraded over the GOAT then WOW. I hope you're right.
Kalen was the worst recruiting coach at UW in 30 years. He couldn’t get the same kids the school had normally got for years. The talent that got him his coaching job at Alabama was already at UW or came in the portal. He knew his crap recruiting was going to cause a drop off in the next few years and he bailed. Maybe he’s getting some talent based on the Alabama name but I doubt it will last. He’s not a great recruiter no matter what you are trying to tell yourself. The O.C. That left ( Grubb) was much more connected to the kids and highly respected. The 6th year kids that hung around to make a run at the title rave about Grubb.
Nick needs to get the hell out from up there
lol when they drop 3-4 games next year this convo will be funny as shit
@kevinprisant
Ай бұрын
Kirby Smart lost to Vanderbilt in his first season and finished 8-5 with the best roster anyone’s inherited until DeBoer took over for Saban. The first season isn’t exactly full of absolutes.
Gonna be a large pool of pissed off, sad SEC and national powerhouse rival fans when BAMA keeps on steam rolling the competition and landing top recruits. Disbelief and meltdowns incoming. 💥
Well said 🫱🏽🫲🏼