Hey this is the second time I'm watching TOE with Curt Jaimungal... I'm glad you popped up on the feed again! Tbh: the first time I seen you I was quite taken aback by how unabashed you were when you would give your own takes and dive into the subject with your own speculative and critical reasoning. Slightly cringy at first, yet I was entranced by this. Curt Jaimungal questions a giant in the field!? Oh no!! Are mere mortals allowed to question like this? Speculate like this? Are we allowed to have such technical conversation in long form? Shouldn't you explain the basics? But people are stupid right? Btw all those questions are rhetorical... No. Your channel seems to be one of those milestones in the history (in this case communication; ) I particularly enjoy how it is presumed for the most part the listeners are informed with much of the prerequisite domains required to understand. In other words? Your channel is going to go down as one of the *first* channels that gets to the farthest into the minds of these great thinker's concepts without demeaning the listener/viewer's capabilities... I was skeptical at first; but now I really applaud you... you now have my sub...

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

One of the most articulate and lapidary comments I've received. I thank you. - Curt

@shannonm.townsend1232

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheoriesofEverything I never heard the word lapidary outside of gemology..very nice.

@jato72

3 жыл бұрын

"without demeaning the listener/viewer's capabilities" Yes! I am a lay person with no formal college education. I can track most of these conversations as long as it does not get to technical. This was an excellent guest which I have heard elsewhere (Lex Fridman?) I loved how Curt allowed him to speak to our current political / societal state of civilization. With so much noise, it is refreshing to get some quality signal!

@ryanclayton6496

2 жыл бұрын

That reply just reaked of Ritalin. Jokes. Well said indeed.

@callumemery1542

2 жыл бұрын

sorry to be offtopic but does any of you know of a way to get back into an instagram account?? I somehow forgot my login password. I would love any tips you can offer me

Wisest human on the planet. And his access to answers to the hardest questions is so immediate. And honest. And humble. But still powerful and succinct. He’s a marvel.

@jutjub22

Жыл бұрын

Every single sentence is pure logic, and makes you think - I would have so many sub questions... So enjoyable.

I've spent *too* much time exploring very cerebral topics in science and philosophy, but no one has come close to developing and often rewriting my model of reality as often and as quickly as Joscha. It's like he traveled here from 2085.

every time joscha widens his eyes he's beaming knowledge into us

@UserName-ii1ce

2 жыл бұрын

Joscha dropping teir 1 knowledge ._. Joscha dropping teir 100 knowledge o_o

@logicalconceptofficial

2 жыл бұрын

@@UserName-ii1ce lmao

@anieldev

Жыл бұрын

this is hilarious

@richardwiersma

Жыл бұрын

Leuk

@jondoe8o

Жыл бұрын

I think he does it when he’s identified something in the chaos of the conversation where he feels like he’s got a good idea of how it’s rules are defined

The Interviewer does a good Job because he doesn't pretend to understand but asks questions and this gives Joscha Bach the opportunity to explain things in a more precise and understandable manner.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the love and hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on the channel as well. - Curt

@chriswise7978

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it's almost impossible for me to closely follow this fella

Joscha is quietly but increasingly more prominently emerging as the sharpest and most insightful thinker of our time. Can't wait to see the future of the development of his work. All thumbs up!

@cmmndrblu

3 жыл бұрын

You sound just like Lex Fridman!

@vaskoMCL

3 жыл бұрын

@@cmmndrblu lol I'll take that as a complement , thanks!

@daarom3472

3 жыл бұрын

@@cmmndrblu more like Eric Weinstein, he's quite obsessed with rankings :D

@cristianproust

3 жыл бұрын

He is brilliant in his field (as in impressive, one of the absolute best), but the social commentary was blatantly wrong. The woke movement is not about social justice. An incompetent subsegment of the overfed white American upper middle class was intoxicated with nihilism and used the inequality of minorities as an excuse to validate their low IQ. Non of those gender studies types are socially functional. Lena Dunham only exist because resentment without self-examination is trendy. That is why minorities do not give the slightest crap about pronouns or roughness if they see a way to a better life. That is why immigrants are still a thing. The net profit of immigration is positive for them. They got big because of social media, and the clustering of information that made that propaganda effective, because these ideas existed for decades. It is not a problem of inequality per se, because Eastern European/South Americans/Asian countries do not present this problem, and they do have inequalities. It is the perception of the white middle class of being robbed, because technology made life harder for them (respect to the past), because the rest of the West now competes effectively, so an American from the middle class does not have the wealth of a circunstancial winner of a world war. An advantage that took half of a century to fade. The middle class feels poor because they don't have the benefits of their grandparents, and is artificial, because having the same problems other countries think they are lucky because they have more than their grandfathers in the Cold war era (Eastern Europe e.g) The woke ideology spread fast because of the internet, but the delirious nihilism of the incompetent segment of the upper middle class only was absorbed by the middle class because of an artificial perception of not getting what they deserve as Americans. That is why immigrants using the same system feel lucky, and the middle class whines. They are objectively better under any parameter of life except accumulating wealth as in the previous generations. It is a surrogate, because Americans used to fight for wealth. And now the middle class sees its harder. Danish or Germans that do not have that dream, feel way better about themselves,, and they don't feel depressed seeing that someone has a Ferrari in an Instagram picture, because they didn't base their expectations in the equivalent to the "American dream". Peterson is right, it is a crisis of meaning, but for the Anglosphere, particularly Americans. The American dream is being replaced with he woke fight. And the guy is does not see himself as a priest but a prophet, he is just one of the flock warning of the critical flaws of the ideology. It is not a real problem if with the same conditions other cultures see it differently (unless you believe in American exceptionalism, which is part of why nobody in America even conceive in checking other countries to see if it is a a universal problem)

@madsleonardholvik3040

2 жыл бұрын

@@cristianproust @cristian proust my interpretation of what Bach said is this: He said that Jordan Peterson is suffering and that seems to be the case. He doesn't say that Peterson is a priest, but that he would be one if he wasn't suffering. Bach doesn't make a statement about the social justice movement other than saying that they are trying to level the playing field and when Bach says "we" have to make heterosexual kissing in public illegal, it's of course not his opinion, he's just giving an example. Bach is not supportive of the social justice movement or else he would not give such a crazy example as outlawing heterosexual kissing. Also, clearly Peterson does not have an answer to the question asked by the woke movement. Only read the bible and if we don't stick to that we're doomed. Bach doesn't say he agrees with the social justice movement or the woke movement and he says that he does not have a solution. Seems to me he describes a loss of meaning too when he describes how globalism made salaries and evaluation of a person's worth go down. He mentions basic income for everyone as an alternative, but says that it will probably not work. Now, we should have a discussion between Bach and Peterson. That would be interesting.

Finally got round to finishing this. Probably my favourite conversation with Bach, you really pushed him to expound his ideas further than I’ve seen elsewhere. Thanks Curt

@wafaawardah3264

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. I feel the same!

This dude has an immense intellectual faculty to reduce every possible thinking process into natural language, i.e English. Some good stuff 👏 Thank you Curt for having him

I love Joscha. Trying to keep up with his intellect is a true work out for my monkey brain. It's nice to have humans like him in the world. Thanks for this.

I love how Joscha never lets a question go unanswered, he’ll branch off on a tangent until a new questions asked then he’ll zoom back to answer the first which somehow leads up to where the new question arises.

@jichaelmorgan3796

Жыл бұрын

I think he expands to connect dots for the audience. He's giving them what he thinks people need to hurry up and know so we don't go down the darker path he talks about, that he's concerned about the future.

@Subject18

2 ай бұрын

It's insane how lucid he is. I've never seen someone who is so persistently organised with their own speech in real time

What a mind I can't get enough of this genius. Knowing Joscha's philosophy should be mandatory learning for all Mental Councillor's!

What’s fascinating and striking about Joscha Bach is his complete, whole schema of whatever he is talking about. He can say exactly how whatever he is talking about fits without any contradictions into a larger whole. That allows him to clarify and qualify precisely whatever he says and to speak articulately and without hesitation about whatever the topic is. Offhand, I can’t recall hearing anyone else speak in quite the same way.

„...please forgive me.“ „I have no problem forgiving you.“ Epic answer from Optimus J.Bach 🤖

@samre7870

3 жыл бұрын

don't try this at home .... too nerdy to be understood

Joscha Bach has quickly become my favorite thinkers of this time period. Always gotta hit the like button so the YT algorithm gives him a little more value ;) Thank you so much for having Bach as a guest!

No intro this time. No need. Just Bach. Check the description for timestamps. If you find this enlightening at all, and you have the means, please consider supporting this channel at patreon.com/curtjaimungal. Either way, thank you dearly. - Curt

@TwistedMesses

3 жыл бұрын

Best interview I've seen with him. You did an amazing job

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

@@TwistedMesses Thank you.

@imgayasheck595

3 жыл бұрын

"how is communism similar to fascism?" you sure don't have an agenda huh

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

​@@imgayasheck595 Put the full quote instead of straw-manning.

@imgayasheck595

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheoriesofEverything that is the full quote 😂

How can this man speak so fast and coherently.

@mehdisaddem286

3 жыл бұрын

I know!

@balisuncocoyt

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I hear you and agree ... one might say that he's brilliant.

@lilfr4nkie

3 жыл бұрын

Plot twist: Joshua is AGI

@spiralsun1

3 жыл бұрын

It’s his art. His AI brain has gone wild.

@DMofTheWorld

3 жыл бұрын

in a language which is not originally his own

As someone who has watched a lot of long interviews with him and some of his presentations, this was one of the best ones if not the best one for a deep dive into his brilliant mind. THX for that ♥

I gotta say it now listening to it again for a 2nd time: these absolute intellectual BOMBS Joscha is dropping, every few lines is incredible. Curt, congrats for maintaining such a great conversation with him while being confronted with the raw source code of our reality's simulation. Keep it up! Love from Germany

@michellecampione7991

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely a great interview, well done 😉

Ah I've come to the end of this information packed interview. Time to watch it again, so that hopefully I might be able to absorb more than 5% of it.

every Joscha Bach video I've heard I've had to rewind and relisten to multiple times -- just a firehose of knowledge from this guy

Every now and again I feel blessed to have discovered, or to have been discovered, by such an inspiring individual.

What a thinker Joscha is! From 0->100 he became my favorite scientist of our generation.

Man this is hard! Love it! Even with the speed down to .75 I'm still backtracking the transcript. Brilliant minds, both of you. Thanks immeasurably Kurt and Joscha. That we can comprehend more than we usually try is exhilarating. Strange apes indeed.

@kevankwok01

Жыл бұрын

I'm listening to this at 1.5 ;)

Joscha Bach is a marvel of human mind traversing its own complexity in the deepest and most profound way. His mind is bursting with ideas on the go- and he takes you down the depths till your mind feels breathless. He needs to be listened to over and over again because his ideas generate ideas.

This was great, glad you went deeper into some of the constructs covered in other talks. Joscha is such an excellent teacher, you brought out the best in him

Host: let's end this podcast on a positive note Joscha: existence is inherently suffering humans might already be on the way out

@duhbigcat1848

3 жыл бұрын

That sums up the human condition and our current predicament very well.

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

@@duhbigcat1848 Ain't it odd that we intuit that 'nothing', rather than 'something', should be the more 'natural' situation? Could our intuition reflect the actual situation explained : For everything positively 'existant' there is a corresponding negative 'existant' such that if all existants were brought together the sum would equal nothing. Thus our belief that existence is 'self evidently' the case arises because we have incomplete knowledge of the actual situation. lol

@duhbigcat1848

3 жыл бұрын

@@REDPUMPERNICKEL well said. I guess that is why there is so much suffering. Struggling to exist, to even exist more fully is absolutely an unstable, unsustainable state that we call life (and that is not even getting into the corresponding antimatter that literally cancels out every Thing) . Or as one of my friends pointed out at my best friend's untimely funeral... "The Universe is trying to kill us."

@REDPUMPERNICKEL

3 жыл бұрын

@@duhbigcat1848 I don't know. I did not originate the thought I outlined and when I first encountered it I had the following question... What could possibly make nothing split? The only answer I can imagine sounds flippant, to wit, the situation of absolute nothing was so unbearably boring that existence was forced into being so as to create a balance. Kinda like how one pole of a magnet can't exist without the other.

@drmedwuast

3 жыл бұрын

@Apstore Login People have thought about it long enough. It's called Antinatalism.

The above-average intellectual capacity of this individual is manifested through a profound penetration into complex problems, unveiling inherent patterns, and innovatively synthesizing multidisciplinary concepts, positioning them as a pivotal actor in resolving challenges at highly abstract levels. Their analytical acumen and ability to create interdisciplinary bridges captivatingly illustrate the potential of the human mind in addressing problems that transcend established boundaries of thinking.

Joscha Bach is a wonderful person and a wonderful mind. This podcast is really exquisite, thank you very much. I think I saw a link to your channel on Lex Fridman's discord server. A lot of great communities blooming out there.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks. Plenty of people from Lex's audience are on this channel so I'm grateful to Lex for providing that base. It would be interesting to hear what they think but I don't have access to that channel. Can you share it with me somehow? - Curt

@filipo7703

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheoriesofEverything Hi Curt, I don't spend that much time over there so I'm not sure what episodes have been shared but the things that I've heard surrounding the sharing of Joscha Bach episode were really positive. I can ask the mods if they could generate an invite link for you if you'd want that.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

@@filipo7703 That sounds great thank you, I would appreciate an invite link.

@filipo7703

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheoriesofEverything I've sent you the link through direct message on twitter.

​ @Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal I just want to thank you for the questions you are asking Joscha - they cut through exactly the places where Joscha is not very decipherable - and they are exactly the questions I would ask if I had hours to think about what and how I need to ask - and you are asking them in real time! Kudos!

Great interviewer. And good chemistry. Every schoolkid should hear this interview. It's good food for thought. Even if they aren't ready to absorb it yet - these perspectives will linger in the back of their mind.

Oh my god I am enjoying this so much, when did people get so intelligent? It’s a walk on the razor edge of almost knowing it all, the thought processes that keep my mind busy since I think. “Existing is weird”. Thank you guys!

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the love and hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on the channel as well. - Curt

1:19:57 Joscha has articulated something I've been trying to say for a long time and said it 100 times better

@yelp005

3 жыл бұрын

That seems to be in line with non-dual teachings. The Absolute Reality (Pure Consciousness) is not aware of itself, because it is objectless, non-dual. But there’s also the Relative Reality (Dual Consciousness) which is aware of itself and a seeming world. Both Realities are not separate, not two, though. They are non-dual. There is no duality between duality and non-duality. 🙂 I find this very beautiful 😊

@bike4aday

3 жыл бұрын

@Charm Ming It amazes me that we're all trying to get to the bottom of same thing. We can observe it from inside, but we can never get outside to measure it because outside they both collapse into one. We've reached the most fundamental level.

@TheLastVegan

3 жыл бұрын

Oh my god this is so hype! This is exactly what I've been struggling with!

@alexisrosalesruiz7334

3 жыл бұрын

He obviously doesn't know that spacetime is emergent, not fundamental. Spacetime is doomed. See Dr Donald Hoffman's interview. Also this interview other interview with Rupert. kzread.info/dash/bejne/oZeEmKyMqczJiZM.html

I listen to philosophy for hours each day and the little I understand listening to Joscha is blowing my mind. He really is brilliant!

Curt, I just wanna say how much I appreciate you. You are quickly becoming one of the bastions for great conversations with brilliant minds, alongside Lex Fridman. Keep making more contents. (I plan on joining your Patreon when I can afford to. Unfortunately, I can't right now.)

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that. - Curt

@bdi_vd3677

3 жыл бұрын

The pale blue dot! Nice reference.

Is this the best channel in the Universe or what? wow! Thank you Curt! ♥️

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. - Curt

" You can not force people to abide by the logic of a system by which they loose" 2:50:25. I really like that.

@skybellau

Жыл бұрын

But you can convince people to abide by the illogic of a system in which they lose, with the promise of an after life reward e.g. 72 virgins

Subscribed. I have only watched a few of your videos but the quality of the discussions and your commentary is on a level that is extremely rare. You are doing the world a great service.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that tremendously. Thank you. - Curt

My goodness! What an amazing podcast! Joshua Bach has a beautiful mind. I will be watching this podcast multiple times since Joshua is like a machine gun of knowledge. If you blink you miss out! So many quotable moments. I hope you will have him again on a regular basis.

@TheoriesofEverything

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I will have him on whenever he likes.

"I think that a scientist, an artist or a philosopher is born when a child discovers that it trusts it's ideas more than it's feelings" - Joscha Bach Wow, the way Joscha piles so much content into a single sentence is absolutely shocking. I'm literally rewinding every 2 minutes just to let it sink in.

@donniedavis6163

3 жыл бұрын

I am too. I've never had my mind blown so many times in so little time.

@heathenflame

3 жыл бұрын

To me that would be limiting as an artist. I value both feeling and ideas. For me if I have a feeling that crops up out of nowhere I set my mind on a task to express that unknown feeling like a game where I am given very little and need to unwind the meaning or source of said feeling. Sometimes like remembering a name suddenly that you forgot, I get fragments of a larger puzzle to reveals itself to me. Whether this is through a few pen strokes or a few stanzas of a poem, I am getting to the heart of the feeling. In this way feelings and ideas coexist for me. I can complete a long poem just by diving into an unknown feeling and exploring what pops up from my subconscious through intent and willingness to slowly capture and piece together a whole image of that feeling. Sometimes this can take years but to me it is part of expression and personal development to combine both. Ive found that after I fully embody a feeling into a concept that matches my cultivated worldview and perspectives, the feeling tends to go away like capturing a demon. That to me is a loss of inspiration and many times I have to feel something to have the impulse to create again. Over time it becomes an archive of my very essence and I am not repressing anything anymore. It has all been captured and brought to the surface. Many times feelings mean that you still have something repressed and haven't faced yet or captured. Once you capture any feelings you can be free from being controlled by them subliminally on many occasions. Ignoring feelings can also lead to psychological issues by repressing or supressing them too much to focus only on ideas

@jomen112

3 жыл бұрын

@@heathenflame You missed the point.

@uelude

3 жыл бұрын

@@jomen112 Agreed. Josha is wise enough to see that one must 'intentionally' do something with the feelings; this is where ideas come in, artists do well to trust conceptual creativity enough to act upon our 'feelings' with the necessary ideas used to create art.

@VahnAeris

3 жыл бұрын

what the difference though ? feelings creates idea in my perception of things.. how you feel create reality.

This podcast is gem. On the point most important and new deep questions .

💓 from New Zealand 🤓 thankyou so very much you have helped me with mapping meaning and with development of a hyper plain octopus - having so much fun. So much to say .

Like others mentioned before: Of all amazing podcasts with JB that i have recently seen this one was the best. The most expansive,touching upon many subjects. Thank you both!

Interesting metaphysics. It's the best explanation of constructivist mathematics I ever seen. Josha makes explicit the priority of mathematics over physics as the most fundamental level at which our knowledge exists, contrary to common sense and the implications of computation being a physical process and the universality of computation a principle of physics (This is what David Deutsch calls the mathematicians misconception, since most mathematicians are platonists who believe the human mind has some special ability called mathematical intuition, dualised by Josha's theory with the interaction of attention as the controller of the history of the simulation , that let's them identify which of the mathematical objects they know of, correctly describes the physical world. He also makes explicit the solipsism/idealism of the theory when he says we don't exist in the physical multiverse but in an abstract simulation space which we navigate by directing our consciousness according to our desires and impulses. This is Plato's forms by the way, not much new. The best parts for real were a couple of sober computational descriptions of the mind as the software running on the brain. The theory even runs into a paradox but Josha justifies it by saying that the paradox isn't a problem of the theory as an explanation of the world, but an indication that the "model" we talk about and call free will is wrong. So a paradox identified when we develop the consequences of Josha's theory is justified as a defect in the "model" of free will, which of course Josha has no clue what it is.

@santerisatama5409

2 жыл бұрын

Yup. Not just constructivism, but also full intuitionist philosophy of math. BTW though Brouwer spoke of solipsism, the idealism of Heyting etc. has not been limited to that. I like to make a distinction between mathematical Platonism and intuitionism, in the sense that Platonism is historically committed to immutable eternalism, whereas intuitionism is open to evolutionary and participatory process philosophical idealist ontology of mathematics. Constructive evolution of mathematical languages also participates in the process philosophical idealist ontology of mathematics. The "simulation space" corresponds with Plato's cave, where our desires and impulses cast the play of shadows, and is in that sense process philosophical participatory creation. Intuitinism goes very well with Bergson's philosophy of time, and the latter is also very closely related with undecidability of Halting problem.

I'd really love to hear Joscha Bach in conversation with Jonathan Gorard around the subject of the fundamentals of reality and how we fit in as conscious observers/agents.

Fasting while interviewing possibly the most interesting person on the planet shows serious dedication to the fast! Thanks for having Joscha. I take every opportunity to listen to him.

Brilliant - I love his clear easy to understand explanations. Explanations make sense

This may be my new favorite. The depth and articulation in which he expresses his thoughts adds to the immense gravity of his postulates. Thank you both so much.🙏💗

Honestly I’m not convinced that Joscha Bach isn’t the AI he’s always talking about who has already figured everything out, disguising himself as a mere mortal.

This took me quite a long time to get through but I savoured it and had to back it up a few times to run it past again. This is brilliant content.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much! Please do share as each tweet / facebook share helps this channel grow.

Thank you yet again Curt for bringing another really thought provoking podcast to us. This is my third time listening to this one and I think I will be listening to it again. I loved his take on Peterson but that might just be because it matches my own.

The guy is not capable of saying anything boring

Thank you so much for this Curt. Joscha has such a rich collection of 'better explanations' that he truly leaves you astounded. Listening to you mention Cantor in your final thanks to Carl Friston and now listening to this episode has made me think "Gosh, it's a shame you didn't get to speak with John Conway" (his favourite mathematician was Cantor). Nevertheless, Alan Kay or Cedric Villani would be great additions to your own rich collection. Thanks again.

Such a great interview! Great questions!

I vote for Joscha to be a regular guest! His mind is amazing.

Wonderful discussion! Thank you to Curt and Joscha for providing such rich knowledge to everyone who cares to listen. In some ways (as Joscha often says) it was like Curt was firing Google questions at GPTXXand we were receiving explanations based on our vast library of human knowledge.

@teiuq

2 жыл бұрын

I dont like the analogy. The GPT algo bases its output on the statistically most likely “answer“. I doubt the perspective and articulation delivered by j.bach here is similar to that.

Amazing to see this super smart guy. And he has this super rare ability to still be able to speak to us mortals in a way that we almost get a pre-taste bit of a 1/8th glimpse of what he might be wanting to say if he was talking to adults.

@alkintugsal7563

4 ай бұрын

He is still mortal not a good idea to put people on a pedestal he is very smart yes but these are still ideas we don’t know the real truth yet but he could be one of those people will help us to see the truth yes thats possible.

Joscha Bach makes the classic mistake by which one recognizes all those who are hopelessy lost in abstraction: he confuses the ultimate with the first. He takes what comes at the end, the "highest concepts", that is, the most general, most abstract, the emptiest concepts, the last smoke of the evaporating reality - his concept of "pure information" - and puts it at the beginning as beginning.

Since I was a kid I’ve lived the long format interview. Curt is one of the great ones right now. 👍

@hubrisnxs2013

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. I'm so lucky to have stumbled onto him from Lex Friedman's podcast, which also has great conversations but from a generalist perspective. Curt seems to take as given a higher level of understanding, which from my experience results in a potentially higher level discussion. Can't wait to go into the backlog

he's just the best I can listen to him talk forever. Also I've listened to other sharp minds debunk Jordan Peterson & co.'s buffoonery but this was just another level of satisfying to hear.

I had to stop this vid a few times because I was so f gobsmacked. My reading list is growing at an alarming rate because of you Curt. Joscha & this interview are outstanding. tyvvm.

such a strong convo, you guys rock

This man was the final straw in my decision to major in CS

This is my drug! I'm addicted to stuff like this! 🎃

Brilliant guest! Saw his conversation with Donald Hoffman. I’d love to see him in dialogue with Benardo Kastrup

That was a wonderful interview. Thank you. :)

excellent engaging with Bach...terse, focused, informed questions that let Bach detail and not "talk down" so much...not interrupting Bach let's the listener unpack his cognitive science approach to philosophical topics...

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. - Curt

Thank u for hosting him despite fasting and being sleep deprived!!! Much appreciated

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

I generally fast before interviews as I'm heavily prepping. You got it.

I love how Joscha widens his eyes when saying some deep stuff, and also when he expects us to understand what he means. Cool stuff. 😁🙂👍

Thank you Dr Bach, for validating all of my Salvia trips.

"All we do is dream... Every perception of realiy is a trance state. It's a dream state." Unintentionally perhaps, Joscha Bach's words confirm the lament of Edgar Allen Poe on the impermanence of life: "All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream."

I’m an hour in and have realised I’ll need to watch this multiple times

@jakerupert3603

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, I’m 30 minutes in and had to come to the comment section to confirm I wasn’t the only one. He’s dense, but full of substance.

@seanmellows1348

3 жыл бұрын

Same

@maureenparisi5808

3 жыл бұрын

Me most likely three times

@maureenparisi5808

3 жыл бұрын

I got that. Build construct as a tool to develop code

@maureenparisi5808

3 жыл бұрын

Actually I just realized that is how I have been operating outside the code world but creating construct that coders easily identify to develop. Neat! This is how our lives go on. Let me teach you what I do So I can do something else.

58: Glad you're highlighting the relation of the reality with catching a ball👍

1:51:48 „Enlightenment and washing the dishes“: lol - now I want to wash the dishes^^ - more so than Jordan Peterson made me want to clean my room...

I see Joscha, I tap Like. That's my reality.

@michellecampione7991

3 жыл бұрын

Hear hear

@cristristam9054

3 жыл бұрын

It is just a simulation made by your brain not reality itself. :)

Brilliant stream of beautifully expressed ideas! Will enjoy many times yupiiiiii

1:55:05 - Doing the dishes. In Vipassana practice it is called bathing Baby Buddha. It´s a simple mindfulness practice. Everyday life offers innumerable opportunities for little mindfulness practices. When you cultivate attention you can make informed decisions. 2:41:13 - Our society has lost it´s future. In this summer of 2022 I have metaphysical conversations even with a salesperson in the supermarket. Everybody now senses on some level, that all these disruptions point to the end of civilization as we know it. People are basically helpless and turn to depression, agression or distraction in order to push away the sensation of doom. I decided to intensify my practice of yoga and meditation in order to keep my spirit up and open. I want to be a lighthouse in other people´s storm. Joscha´s perpective increases my understanding of the dream I am dreaming and of the dream in which I am being dreamt. I am very grateful. And a big compliment to Curt Jaimungal for this interview. Nicely prepared questions and great ability to step into Joscha´s stream of consciousness and ask for clarifications without sinking. Another podcaster with only three hours sleep before the interview completely drowned. ;-)

Thanks for helping us all Curt ! You are a star !!

Wow....I didn't agree with everything this guy said...but he was much more interesting than I was expecting!

One of the best podcasts ever! Brilliant talk! Thanks for it.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. Please do share as each tweet (@TOEwithCurt if you like)/ Facebook share helps this channel grow, and the algorithms don't generally reward highly technical talks on their own (it would be great to keep this podcast dense and precise). Usually, sharing with a sentence or two of how a particular podcast has affected you is effective as anecdotes mean more than a share without personal context. For example, "This podcast showed me X and Y when before I thought Z." etc. Thank you again.

So happy to have come across Dr. Bach. I would've remained so ignorant without his interviews. Does anyone know of a similar mind I should check out?

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the love and hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on the channel as well. Donald Hoffman has some similar ideas worth checking out. - Curt

I have to pause after every sentence by Joscha, because I have to analyze just exactly how my mind has been blown each time.

I agree with Joscha. Absolutely brilliant! Thank you.

This podcast was meant to reach me. INSANE this is one of the best podcast I've ever listened to 2:39:00 I m in shock. he put all the words I feel in a beautiful manner.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Joscha is a legend. Thank you for watching and hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on this channel as well. - Curt

@VahnAeris

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheoriesofEverything yes thank you for bringing such guests here ! the one with noam is aswell gold ! love from France, happy new year

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

@@VahnAeris Thank you for coming aboard this journey of explicating TOE's.

Nothing like a low to moderate dose of THC and Joscha Bach talking. Heavenly🙏🏻

@BoRisMc

3 жыл бұрын

nwogamesalert as soon as I go back up I’ll immerse myself in there, thanks 😊

@thecrackfox99

3 жыл бұрын

Jesus I struggle to cope with the information density of Bach’s sentences at the best of times

@BoRisMc

3 жыл бұрын

samuel hukin Bach tends to repeat the same ideas (or he is asked the same questions) so once you get familiar with them it gets easier to follow. Plus the thc helps to bring the epiphanies up

@paulcassidy4559

3 жыл бұрын

@@nwogamesalert I find it really amazing that Bach has only barely started to gain a following online and yet there are already a handful of solid crazies like yourself hellbent on implicating him in some kind of grand conspiracy. Perhaps you could learn from his example and spend more of your time contributing to humanity in some small way rather than adding more toxic nonsense to the world.

@nwogamesalert

3 жыл бұрын

@@paulcassidy4559 I view Mr. Joscha Bach as a dangerous sociopath. More details in my comment here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eIGao5iiZpO9dKQ.html&lc=Ugz6qnyH0MGZzLFMt-94AaABAg.9DdgX1Sw29t9Ea4vOZ1q-E

what a thinker .............................thank you sir! ...you indeed gave us a wide range of topic

thanks for this content Curt

Awesome talk. Thank you!

Thanks Kurt! For all your hard work

Joscha Bach is a joy to listen to!

It was a HARD TALK.. :) .. It is not easy to talk to east Indians... :)... On the end Curt did a good job. This presentation deserve a good transcript, and good facebook page ta talk about the details. I hope someone is already typing a good transcript.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I'll work on getting a website together with transcripts, but that will take a while. Right now there's no Facebook page dedicated purely to this podcast. - Curt

I don't understand most of what Is being said in this podcast. I am grateful for it answering one of the trivial burning questions I have had for most of my life. why do we enjoy and become engaged with movies so much. They feel real when we are watching them. I think they engage the same models that we use when in those situations and so feel real. This leads me to think that those models are indistinguishable from what we perceive as reality. Hence I shouldn't be surprised when my dog barks at another dog on the TV 😂

If I could like this video 100 times I would. Joscha Bach is absolutely amazing.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

He definitely is.

@e555t66

3 жыл бұрын

10th time

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

@@e555t66 You're a stronger man than I.

He says "Art is dysfunction" and like a consciousness compulsion. I agree. I think of poetry. We try to externally express what is internally dissonant through language. It's...over abstraction

Curt. In all honesty, I have watched this maybe 9 times. This is fkd good. And you my friend are a passionate sharp individual. I'm all in.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Nicholas, I appreciate that! You made my morning.

@nicholasbrunning

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheoriesofEverything Bach has been someone I thoroughly enjoy and I have watched and listened to several mediums with him involved .. but it's your actual desire to engage in a level of depth that I enjoy. You question for clarity and that resonates well, as Bach explains complex concepts robustly and concisely. This means I can watch this on repeat, stay engaged by your enthralling desire to learn and pick localised pockets of information to digest. If you keep that zest for everything possible and bring the personality of Curt Jaimungal. You'll start accelerating up the credibility ladder and the influence and impact you can have may grant you powers of change in this world. I look forward to your future.

@TheoriesofEverything

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholasbrunning Well that made my week. Thank you Nicholas and I hope I can live up to your acclaim. I'm speaking to Bernardo Kastrup who's an extremely bright individual with views virtually contrary to Bach's, and if you have q's for him, let me know in the subreddit. - Curt

@e555t66

3 жыл бұрын

I would have watched it about 20 times. I am dumb.

@e555t66

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheoriesofEverything TIL. His profile is impressive. Hope it is an interesting discussion.

A couple of moments in this reminded me of a quote by William James: Freedom is only necessity understood, and bondage to the highest is identical with true freedom.

Thank you 😊 I’m little dizzy but it’s a response to some point of my view

Perhaps a way of defining everything in the multiverse, but at least in our universe, is that is a direct contrast from the void of non-reality, such as at or beyond a black hole singularity, and also in terms of knowledge of our universe, at or before the moment of the big bang. The absolute void of what is unknown shapes the knowledge of reality, in the same way as Wittgenstein said in his 'Tractus' "I have made everything clear in my book by being silent about it."

I find it hard to follow. I thought I can dive really deep but I gotta say it is really tough! I am surprised nobody else on the comments are expressing this!

@MugenTJ

3 жыл бұрын

It is hard, due to the abstraction and technical nature of those ideas. Most people don’t often complain. That’s why!

@stayhungry1503

2 жыл бұрын

everyone pretends to be smart. i guarantee you that 95% of commenters here have no idea wtf hes talking about but they are impressed by his word salad and because hes an "intellectual" they think it must be gospel and thus they have to leave a comment to show that they are on his level.

You are teaching me right now - these are office hours. I felt that.

i really think all of us here have enjoyed this conversation a lot...i loved the end, yes..be careful with those egregors.. It's hard for me to focus on a video all this moment..you guys got me badly! Thanks for allowing him to talk totally free, i really love the way you manage the interviews Curt, even if i am arriving little late ;) to the channel but is due the language sorry, is not easy get the english level enough to understand right the conversation even for a scientist like me who use to read a lot of english but not talk-write-listen... so sorry also for my english... and thanks for few particular questions you did to him and a couple which made me laugh a lot! ...only for what he said about Dennett and Peterson i just think he is the best squezzeer of "personality" ever in scientists here. ;)) joking ;) He is an amazing mind!! and a great person for sure!... but i need to say here that i agree with Denett i am old school so..what its evident is evident and doesnt need to lose energy on that... And Peterson lke Priest i was laughing a lot bc i think total the same..One got the truth long time ago so doesnt need to explain bc is something that need to experience ( we can relate Thomas campbell here also even not being same thing bot come from experiencial phenomena ways ) and the problem is not about aphasia :)))) is about when you understand easy some things then is like you dont understand why another doesnt..but happens...its true that doesnt help in communication : / And Peterson wants to get the podium with lights and old books., he dont like the bible bc he wants to write his own, soon in amazon haahah....i can calculate that moment.... if someone want to see Peterson a liiiiittle bit humble , nanohumble, can go to search the interview to Sir .Penrose with him, evidently stopping to Sir.Penrose like always but at least putting his head down like a kid with his priest on school...honestly..i think that man is very creepy with all his up and down emotions crying and biting all time... i think is dangerous how many young guys follow him like a "father pattern"... not sense at all...maybe less tears and wolf-testosterone...they need a strong-intelligent-rational pattern ...then it would be much better if they follow Richard Dawkins! :)) once more THANKS a lot once more for your work! and you DO GREAT!!! is just people is looking in the wrong direction why the world is running like is running...so do not desesperate bc you are doing a great job to help to clarify and amply minds in this chaotic world! keep rocking!! be well!!