Francis, thanks, if I were a younger man I might attempt this but as it is I feel all I can do is carry on as I am. Being half blind also makes writing very difficult now.

@ElectricityTaster

2 ай бұрын

old age fucking with you too?

I wish he'd stop attempting be the new incarnation of Jung or Edward Edinger, many of his talking points are from Jung's The Undiscovered Self almost verbatim. His followers are becoming ironically cultish, hanging on his words, and whims without question despite his rallying cries against Ideological possession. On the other hand I found his book Maps Of Meaning interesting and his speeches on the bible rather luciferous and sometimes even quiet deep. *sigh* Thank You for videos Dr. Carveth, you help me stay sane in troubling times by focusing on interesting things....

Generally well said - I've watched many of Peterson's videos for his insights on psychology, narratives and archetypes- but he does fall into reductionism regarding the left. I get the feeling he implies everyone on the left falls into the 'SJW' category which I find ridiculous (myself being moderate left) However, I think he does present a refreshing message regarding personal responsibility...

@Romanusmilus

4 жыл бұрын

Jordan is more left center than right or right center if you must put him in a category as low resolution as that.

@Extramark9

4 жыл бұрын

Ironically your view on peterson's view is wrong and reductionist in itself, since peterson many times said that sees the left as absolutely necessary.

@gpnryou

3 жыл бұрын

If you watch enough of his lectures you'll see that his main point regarding the left is that people should become aware that the left can also go too far as can the right. The SJW phenomenon and their compelled speech agenda are according to him one possible good example of when it has in fact gone too far. This has been a recurring issue inside of academia especially, where he spent so much time in, and that is why - in my analysis - he gives so much attention to it when talking about the left.

@patrickmcmanus1360

Жыл бұрын

All psychologists are progressives if they actually believe in the mission of their profession. Progressives are far left. You don't get your morality from lobsters and get to call yourself "center" anything.

@patrickmcmanus1360

Жыл бұрын

He's a statist which is why people are mislead into thinking he's a conservative. In America the establishment is completely progressive leftist. If has to be since the military and science is what keeps the machine running and a science oriented authority is progressive by definition.

Jordan Peterson"s readings of Nietzsche, Marx, and Jung are simplistic and philistine

@doncarveth

Ай бұрын

This does not surprise me

As another commenter pointed out, I commend to you Michael Brooks' 'Against the Web,' with his trenchant and funny critique of the 'intellectual dark web' (including Peterson and Sam Harris). He was also a great exponent of meditation and the importance of including the spiritual and empathic in political thinking. He unfortunately passed away earlier this year (only a few months ago) from a totally unexpected medical condition.

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I’ve been referred to him by several people and will definitely try to learn more about him. Tragic that we have lost his voice.

Great analysis. I don't know if you've come across Alexander Bard's work (digital libido etc.) , but I think he is a good evolution from peterson as he explains similar phenomenon but using kristeva, lacan, johnston, etc and doesn't fall into simplified antagonism like JP. I'd be very interested to hear your thoughts on his work if you're familiar.

Hello Don, would you please do a lecture on Self Psychology by Kohut in more systematics and detailed way please? I m really really looking forward to it. Thank you 🙏!

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

I will try to do that.

@Liz-wg9bc

4 жыл бұрын

Don Carveth appreciate it as always! I’ve been learning a lot from you. In France, higher education on psychoanalysis is such a mess. We don’t have text books, and we only learn about Freud and Lacan, in a very messy way too. And my professor said after Lacan there was no big contributions to psychoanalysis... and they still hold beliefs that narcissism is untreatable. I doubt if he knows about Kohut at all, or even Kernberg, or others. We don’t even learn about object relation theory, or ego or humanistic psychology. After 3 years’ undergraduate studies we are still on hysteria stuffs (so I quit at M1 btw although I still need a degree to be able to work in this field) Anyways, I m very grateful for everything you ve been teaching us here. Merci!

@nallgire

4 жыл бұрын

I admire Lacan, but there's so much more to the rich history of psychoanalysis to be gleaned than from any "final word" of Lacan's on any matter.

I'd also like to take the opportunity to recommend a couple of things to people who are interested in exploring Peterson (and Sam Harris, and the whole "Intellectual Dark Web") further, from a critical left perspective... Michael Brooks's KZread show/podcast, entitled "The Michael Brooks Show", as well as his new book "Against the Web" (just published by Zero Books a few months ago) are good resources, and partly inspired my long-winded comment previous to this one (though I wasn't just repeating what Brooks has to say). Brooks is also the co-host of Sam Seder's podcast/KZread show, The Majority Report.

Thanks for this, Prof. Carveth. I found it really interesting and I agree with you. As someone who listens to his full lectures (I just finished the 12-part Maps of Meaning series) I think that’s his strength, rather than the interviews and political stances. I’d love love to be a fly on the wall for a conversation between the two of you!!

Thank you for your awesome videos and valuable insights! I would highly appreciate it if you could expand on why “Christian ethics” or in general religious ethics? Thank you

@mosulemanji

4 жыл бұрын

Me too. I wonder what he means

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

OK, I’ll try to speak about that.

Prof. Stephen Hicks had a book about postmodernism, which is brilliant. It helps to understand where Peterson is at.

@doncarveth

Жыл бұрын

I think I understand where Peterson is at and I agree with him about many things. I just wish he wouldn’t bandy the term Marxism around in such an unscholarly way.

Prof. Carveth, I never thought about Peterson’s thinking being black or white. I thought that he was more like trying to have a provocative speech in this relativism’s age. But you might be right since he’s (Peterson) now I’m a clinic suffering from a profound anxiety and depression. This anxiety could be related to he’s fail in understanding the world through that black or white over simplified thinking. Besides I think professor that you are in love with those “left principles” that you may have learned in youth. But now that the left is taking positions and advancing, you can notice that it’s not a betrayal to its principles, but there’s a difference between its goals while promoting itself than when commanding. Obamagate for example. Equality in rights, we have it. The problem it’s that they want us the same. And that’s a horrendous idea. P. D. Please excuse my English , I’m Mexican and I learned it in the Soviet embassy.

I just find it interesting how many people get "offended" when anyone disagrees with them, and who are also willing to employ force or violence to make others conform to their view of the world. That is where I part ways with those elements on both the left and the right. I also think the categories are not really that useful, since I am on the left when it comes to social issues, but on the right when it comes to economic issues. If your ideas require coercion or violence, count me out. I think that if more people followed the ways of Daryl Davis, it would make an enormous difference in bringing peace. He gets it. We are all worth the effort of connecting with, and everyone is worth giving the chance to be heard so we can reconcile differences. You'd be surprised at how you can influence people once you start listening to them and treating them as worthy human beings even when you are in disagreement. Win hearts and minds with sympathy, not combativeness. That's my only suggestion for Dr. Peterson. Though I agree with many of his perspectives, his combativeness I don't think will win over the radical elements he seeks to convert. My criticism of Marx is that he misunderstands human nature when it comes to economic incentives.

@Romanusmilus

4 жыл бұрын

Only if you are as open to being influenced as you are to influencing.

@overimagination2812

4 жыл бұрын

I used to think one could be left on social issues and right on economic issues as well.

Peterson's targets are always some phantom SJW but his work really hurts those that are on the fringes. As far as I'm concerned he is an example of one that can't bear to step back from his pedestal relate to whether others whose life experience has been different have valuable things to teach him. Rather he puts himself in the infantile position of always being the one attacked, ludicrous if you think about the constant ways that black people, gay people and women are marginalised by the dominent culture. If some forms of left-wing semantics go to far, well what we they expect. And frankly his discussion of Marxism - and I speak as someone who thinks Marxism basically destroyed all that was progressive about the workers movement - is incredibly shallow. At least Chasseguet-Smirgel knew what she was talking about with her critique, Peterson barely shows any understanding of its origins or concepts.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Right

@mirandamaples

3 жыл бұрын

Someone needs to clean their room

Great video Professor Carveth, you clearly make a powerful interpretation that Peterson’s cup runneth over, and he always regresses to Paranoid Schizoid position, over trying to shift to the reparative or depressive position concerning democratic socialism and it’s actual goals rather than muddling it with some far out hysterical thought forms. Thanks for all your great videos. 👍

@biancavonmuhlendorf2608

Жыл бұрын

@@xJusteBx No, he had another issue. Do some research.

@jameshicks7125

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I see a lot of parallels with Ayn Rand, not in his ideas per se, but in regards to the paranoid/schizoid moralization and absolutism. A kind of my way or the highway narcissism. I think his public persona appeals to anger, and serves to validate his followers own paranoid/schizoid positions. His audience appears to be right wing after all.

I think jordan Peterson’s main target is post modernism and on that he is on the same side as Chomsky (who famously debated Foucault). But yes I’m not sure what he means by cultural Marxism either. I get from him a sense that he really does care about young people and sincerely wants help them to find direction. But i think he is too ready to see solutions coming from the super ego. He has not enough sympathy for the child within us.

@JH-ji6cj

3 жыл бұрын

I think he lacks employing his most valuable argumentation tool...to steel-man the others argument such that an agreement of terms can be set. He often does not set forth a model for Cultural Marxism or PM for which to move from those examples to a more positive structure that opposes those models. It's unfortunate and exasperating the level of posturing and WWF tactics (soap opera) that are seemingly required even for academics. I think Ben Shapiro does a good job of presenting equivalent modeled views, but has also agreed to engage profitable attention tactics that make it difficult for me to get past how he's preaching to his own choir. Such seems the dynamic of our lack of social discourse.

Interesting take about his reductionism. Although I’m disappointed that spent half of the video was spent on cultural Marxism. You’re probably right that his version doesn’t add up. However, most people who find his lectures meaningful tend to enjoy his comments about things like masculinity/evolutionary psychology/personality traits. It’s nice that peterson deconstructs sayings like “always tell the truth” in a psychological way that makes sense to college kids like myself. Once he said in a talk that many years ago he had a realisation of the multiple voices in his head and since then had always strived to follow the voice of “the critic”. To me that voice sounds like the destructive superego. Nevertheless, in my own life I tried to act this out and I feel content after facing the things I’m compelled/scared to face even when its very uncomfortable do to it. We have to carry the terrible burden of knowledge of the future. (I wonder if you agree with this interpretation of the christian tradition.) He says people are like “nodes in a network”, the more someone manifests their true potential the better things get for everyone around them because people see us through archetypal lenses. We become small but significant manifestations of the ‘ideal’. It seems like an appropriate answer to this day and age where people seem more nihilistic than ever. Anyway Thanks Don keep it up. You’re the man. You’re right it’s very easy to think in black and white terms! “Absolutes are a poor man's coping mechanism to conceptualise the world” I wish to forever live in the spectrum of grey

"He tries to be a man of reason, but he seems to frequently not succeed very well." Couldn't have said it better myself! I would love to hear professor Carveth's thoughts about the way in which Peterson takes sadistic delight in ridiculing those he sees as confused (Not exactly becoming of a clinical psychologist is it?), as well as his tendency to filter the world through a rigid paranoid/schizoid lense. Michael Brooks shrunk him exceptionally well!

@doncarveth

7 ай бұрын

Yes

How does this video has less views than the age of this brilliant mind. Hope that made you smile Professor. How can I get in touch with regarding an interview?

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

dcarveth@gmail.com

"To each according to his needs/abilities" necessarily leads to equal outcomes. To enforce equal outcomes necessarily brings totalitarianism.

@doncarveth

11 ай бұрын

But people have different needs, so how does that translate into equal outcomes?

@9879SigmundS

11 ай бұрын

@@doncarveth the benchmark is everyone’s needs being satisfied. One person has a big appetite, the other a small appetite. They have different needs, but the equal outcome is that both are made satiated. By the way, your channel is excellent.

@doncarveth

11 ай бұрын

@@9879SigmundS Thanks

I would like to see your interpretations of the classics, the art and so on. If you are interested in that, of course. I don’t think there is enough content on KZread for that and I would love to see a psychoanalyst’s approach . Also, you sympathize with Christianity but I another video you say (if I remember correctly) that you sympathize with Freud when he says that the superego must be annihilated. To me Christianity is a superego religion, completely against the Id. To me, that is a contradiction.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

No, Christianity is a critique of the super ego that is grounded instead in conscience.

@jackdawcaw4514

4 жыл бұрын

@@doncarveth Christianity is [only] conscience? That sounds a bit too ideal to me. If only it were true. I think it can be very oppressive and persecutory.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

Like any philosophy or ideology Christianity can be employed in destructive ways, of course. Christianity has certainly succumbed to and being exploited by the super ego. But it’s valid core is love and conscience.

I wonder if you would be open to a conversation with people like JP. I think it would be fascinating, and I suspect he would be open to it. I mean a public conversation of course.

@doncarveth

3 жыл бұрын

Well, well I’m not interested in debate, I am open to respectful discussion.

@jackdawcaw4514

3 жыл бұрын

Don Carveth sure.

Precisely,! Thank you for this thoughtful critique.

Yes

Populism cannot be fought with demogogic statements. Thank you for your differentiated approach.

Fair point about Peterson. Seems like those on the cultural left are quick to dismiss the idea that postmodernist neomarxists exist because it's not labeled anywhere. Are you implying that they are purely a conjecture of Peterson's imagination?

@doncarveth

Жыл бұрын

No, he doesn’t define his terms. The people he refers to have a certain similarity to Leninists. But we need to distinguish between Marxism and linen ism. Trotsky was it first not a Leninist but then, unfortunately, he became a Leninist. Marxism is a social theory, not a movement.

Petersons' own take on Marxism. Here is his opening statement on Marxism (The hyped debate with Zizek) kzread.info/dash/bejne/nqeL0Mafqti1k5c.html

I've never been a fan of JP. I listened to him only a short time, years ago. Since I lost religion in my early twenties,, he holds no interest for me because of his Christian perspective.. However, I commend him for reaching out to young people who lack role models for self development. (At that time JP had a large following, I'm not sure about now.) I think his oversimplification is the reason he appeals to the young, who defend JP under all circumstances. As far as I'm concerned, JP has found his niche.

Yep, I agree

I haven't watched too many videos of Jordan Peterson but from what I've seen he's doing more positive in the world than he is negative no one is ever truly moralistically pure and he has his flaws that I've noticed but he is definitely an intellect by just listening to him for 20 minutes anyone can see that but I don't agree with all of his views but I believe he is definitely a well-rounded person and well rehearsed on his views

Ageed

Correct me I'm wrong but Peterson strikes me as a paranoid-schizoid type... i sense an inner anxiety, he overblows fear and sees enemies where there are not. That he ended up fitting into the 'intelligensia' of the current american right-wing is certainly telling.

@JH-ji6cj

3 жыл бұрын

Your name embodies your own commentary here. Projection accomplished. Peterson has joined the fray only to endure the slings and arrows of couch potatoes.

@xJusteBx

3 жыл бұрын

He was diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2020, refused treatment and took off to Russia.

@tigress725

5 ай бұрын

He detoxed from a prescribed benzodiazepine addiction during lockdown. It was disturbing to witness his videos during that period as he looked awful on camera. I heard he sought medical addiction support by going to Russia.

I agree that Dr. Peterson can sometimes behave in a way that is overly aggressive and can also be a bit of a reductionist. But it would be great to get a critique of some of his ideas, especially those espoused in his book 'Maps of Meaning,' because his interview with Joe Rogan I would say is not exactly representative. For a better YT video his talk on deception in psychopathology or his interview by Gadi Taub are better examples of his demeanor and ideas that those who find him interesting find compelling. The past lectures he put online are even better, if you have the time. Definitely more fleshed out.

I wish you gave examples to illustrate Peterson's excessive "simple thinking" or his "reductionism". (By the way, I do agree JBP's understanding of Marx is lacking, from what I've seen, it looks as if he has only read T.C.M.)

He claimed to be Jungian, hahaha 🤣

You seem to presume that JP strives to address the scholarly ivory tover when he coins the term cultural marxism. I don't think that the communication needs to be that professor-centric. There is an extremely widespread thought scheme amongst somewhat educated people on the left, which may not be scholarly enough to begin with but nevertheless permeates public debate and the professional discourse in many areas. I refer to the tendency to put forward a social critique based on some target group which is supposed to be defended and liberated and then to view all or most conflicting positions and viewspoints as oppressive. The basic logic is simple. Find the group of people that is your tribe. Identify the tribes that don't actively support your cause. Demonize them as oppressors and wage a cultural war against them. If needed, also make sure to support people who would like to raise the conflict to include brute activism and even physical violence. There is really nothing above or beyond the tug-of-war of true tribalism. Yes, such an approach is intellectually dishonest, politically illiterate and morally corrupt but it nevertheless informs much of the sloppy aggression that goes into the current general discourse on feminism, racism, religion and climate (notice that the left has omitted class from the core topics in sociology and instead added climate). You and your scholarly colleagues may not have promoted the alleged infantile positions, but JP is anyway surprisingly alone in fighting against this virulent outlook that is apparently beneath and beyond criticism from the elevated true left. Well, JP might be scholarly limited in his vain effort to act like an intellectual and speak to the wider concerns of society. I don't think JP always merits a proper defence, but in this case the critique is predicated on the assumption that JP have submitted his views to The Journal Of Contemporary Marxist Thought rather than the general public and professional discourse in western societies (regardless of whether it is a proper or a seriously deteriorated form of maxism). Now, who is a reductionist really? By the way, I almost always learn from your work. Sincerely

@doncarveth

2 жыл бұрын

Jonas, fair enough, point taken.

@jonashjerpe7421

2 жыл бұрын

@@doncarveth Thanks for the consideration. Enjoy your Sunday!

JP`s popularity might coming from this phenomenon that he challenges social issues that - mainly rightly - bothers people, no matter having an intellectual or lower socioeconomic background, and doing it as a scholar, somebody who seems reliable, AND his reductionism appears to be his big strength as being seen as sharp mind rather then the biggest danger in his activity putting himself into the same box as all authoritarians who were great reductionist themselves. I am terrified, that this type of communication is not being criticized by universities, whose responsibility would be to teach to fight against reductionism but rather seems to be encouraging this way of reasoning by inviting him to speak. As a psychologist I was thought that all-or-nothing thinking is a cognitive distortion and now I should listen to a senior scholar psychologist who cannot even identify his own distortions? It seems that human society is so desperately seeking for a great leader who knows the truth, that even intellectual, highly educated people can be easily deceived. It is interesting you are mentioning Christianity. As in the last 2000 years we gradually lost the real grandiosity of that religion, we not just lost our belief but the capability to recognize what is morally right. As a result we became morally and intellectually vulnerable to people , who in the end just want to use us to be popular but not really care about us, as humanity. I would love to hear a video from you, how you approach Christianity and psychoanalysis or any fundament of psychology.

I feel the same about free-speech, but what are your thoughts on the oppression that trans people face? It feels abit uncomfortable to me to praise Peterson for his stance without also acknowledging the violence that trans people go through. That being said, maybe that discomfort comes at least in part from my friendships with one of these trans people, who was very dominating and authoritarian, despite claiming to be an anarchist. They did go through some very real trauma though.

@doncollins7743

4 жыл бұрын

I have to ask, why is the violence a trans goes through any different than any other violence. There are laws against violence and that violence has nothing to do with how one addresses them but rather situations they are in whether that be in a group of bigots or hitting on a person that is not into trans and then that person is somehow a bigot for having a preference. Society has every right over time to change its language, but force of law to do so never gets the outcome expected rather it usually gets short term result which actually backfire in the long run, hence the culture of now mocking all these titles. So it is not a special violence they go through any more than me getting in a fight over hitting on someones partner in a bar, or staring at a person partner in the mall and they take offense and decide to do violence. So I call the cops after I get beat up or I beat them up, either way the law is already there and trans are just people entitled to equal treatment under the law not special treatment

He doesn't know what Marxism is...

@FreeBrunoPowroznik

2 ай бұрын

He constantly bangs on about the 10s of millions killed by communism, but ignores the 100s of millions killed by neoliberal capitalism, imperialism and colonialsm.

In a friendly way I am going to dispute this video, especially the point that Peterson's views are simplistic and the take on marxism. I will be glad if anybody disputes my views with arguments: a) cultural marxism is not well defined?: Marx spoke about the oprressed (workers) and oppressors (capitailsts) - that is the basic dichotochy of marxism. Cultural marxism also views the society in this way, however the oprressed are not workers but various minorities (women - although they are not a minority), LGBT...., people of colour, muslims (a minority so far only in western countries) etc. Cultural marxism as such cannot have theoreticians because it is a label given to a certain wave of thought that has been spreading since sixties or seventies - i.e. since the time when it was obvious (to those who respect facts) that countries that had tried to practise marxism in various ways failed and failed horribly, killing in large numbers of their own citizens. After this failure Intellectuals, many of them former marxists, turned to a certain kind of relativism under which all views are subjective, the truth is subjective, arguments don't matter much (after all they are subjective) etc. However, such thinking is not very productive, (your view, my view, it is all the same) and so what took over was various feelings of personal grievances (I have been oppressed!) that in the end again go back to the Marx's dichotomy of the oppresor and the oprresed, however, the argumentation has become much more vague and subjective (facts don't matter) and many a time plainly ludicrous (science as a tool of male tirrany and nothing more etc.). Humanities produce a large number of graduates with this kind of thinking which does not help them in life much and rather is an obstacle to productive thinking that brings success and results in real life (I know that, I am such a graduate, too, and this regretting myself and other "oppressed", in one way or another, held me back from facing my own responsibilities). So, cultural marxism is a label, the groups of the oppresed and oppresors have changed, but the fundamental attitude to the western society as a tool of oppression has remained very much the same. If somebody calls himself or herself a Marxist in eastern Europe countries, they cannot expect large audiences and they will be rediculed. b) So what is wrong with Marxism in the first place? - "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". Yes, this sounds very massianic and may as well be inspired by some Jewish prophets. I think that Peterson rightly emphasizes that life is hard in its core and that the life of our ancestors was very hard too. Yes, there is oppression, but the basis of the miseries of life lies in the life realities themselves whatever culture you live in - the life is oprresive. The Marx's quotation may sound nice to somebody but as a guidance for life it does not work because some people simply work hard and others don't and so they can hardly expect their needs to be met. As I remember from the socialism era in Czechoslovakia you stop working hard if your needs are met in the same way as the needs of another guy who is lazy - and so you stop working hard or rather give that energy to smething else - you buy a cottage and work hard there and you stop working hard in your job because why should you? As somebody pointed out "communism is a good system, but for ants not for people". Peterson does not say that there is no real oppression in the world and it should be addressed accordingly, but western societies care for the rights of individuals and the well being of their citizens better than other societies because they are simply productive and can afford that and because there are democratic elections so the politicians have to care. Yes, there are lobbies and most people pursue and will always pursue their personal goals in the first place. What happened in the sixties is that people's rights became a priority and their own responsibilities were not talked about - an important Peterson's point - first, try to take care of yourself and show that your approach to life works on many levels (materially, on the level of human relations etc.). And this applies to societies as such, too: is Afghanistan so poor because of the western oppression or can the blame be rather attributed to the values of this society itself (how women are treated, how education is treated etc.) c) Yes, as the west became dominant due to its technological development, the world became a power game between two blocs - the Soviet Union and the USA (very simplistically put) and the fight between those two sides was very real and coutries of other heritages became only puppets in the hands of these two powers (Chomsky is right to list many bad things that the USA has done). However again, this has always been this way and there has always beens powers that tried to dominate the world (what did the Turks do at the gates of Vienna in the 16th and the 17th century?). But the west produced many good things and its the west that is able to provide large economic help to countries of the third world. The cultural Marxists (however varied their views may be) try to throw the baby out with bathwater, so to say, not recognizing the achievements of the west. To sum it up, to me Peterson is not simplistic, he addresses important topic from various viewpoints (some of them have been copletely neglected by others, such as the basic hardship of life regardless of the culture) and he is ready and willing to face his opponents in a discussion (Sam Harris, for example) unlike Chomsky who gives interviews only to his sycophants who never question anything what he says seriously (yes, they ask questions but never dispute him on anything). Humanities have become a place for daydreaming with their own rules but nowadays they do not produce people ready to face their responsibilities outside this ghetto. Messianism of the kind that cultural marxism produces is dangerous because it is very naive and self-centered.

@doncarveth

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYllrsqcdcuefdY.html

@d.nakamura9579

4 жыл бұрын

M Kaplan I would be shocked if Peterson himself agreed with your definition of “cultural Marxism”. And you seem to underestimate and not understand the value of a liberal (not in the political sense, but more in the Ancient Greek sense) education. I appreciate a practical approach to the world, but like Peterson you seem to look at it in a purely material sense. And as much as you appreciate Peterson’s wisdom on things like personal responsibility and approach to life, it seems that it ain’t working out so well for him right now. We’re all human and inherently flawed, and Jordan Peterson is too, more so than you’re apparently willing to admit. And where is his appreciation for the basic hardship of life as it pertains to women? His views only make it infinitely harder for them. To me, Peterson’s amorphous definition of Cultural Marxism is tainted by his politics, and it seems to be deliberately amorphous so that it will always fit whatever argument he is framing at the time. His western centric view of the world seems to be threatened by anything that would take away power and control from those who have traditionally benefitted from that dynamic. The west’s *very* recent prominence is relatively new and probably short lived, and I would be willing to bet that in the long run that power structure will change, and not to the benefit of people like Paterson. And let’s not even get into environmental concerns. You’re too concerned about power and competition to realize that there may eventually be nothing left to fight over. Call me a cultural Marxist, but facts are facts and the vast majority of the world’s scientists- western scientists too- back this up.

@feedyourhead731

Жыл бұрын

You basically define cultural Marxism as identifying and opposing the presence of oppression and unfairness, I think it's abundantly obvious that oppression exists and this fact has nothing to do with any sort of identification with Marxism specifically, Peterson just uses the word as a 'big bad wolf' scare tactic to inflame the right. His discussions in these areas are not nuanced at all but portray any left leaning movement as extreme and completely unjustified. He justifies the white male hierarchy as completely inevitable based on our (lobster) biology... Resistance is futile, we can't improve the unfairness present in current power structures, this is as good as it gets, in fact we should be grateful and stop whining like babies. Except young white men, they have every reason to be upset because formerly marginalized people are now organizing and fighting for equal standing, and this makes white men feel badly about themselves, and freedom must be some sort of zero sum game. So now identity politics are suddenly acceptable because he imagines HIS cohort is losing ground in the epic us vs. them (paranoid/ schizoid) drama.

Thanks for this video. I agree with you, he is reductionism, and he doesn't understand Marxism well. But as a therapist myself, the most thing I couldn't accept is that as a psychologist, especially in Jungian, when he fall in mental problems, he didn't ask for help from other psychologists or therapists, and deny his drug addiction. So he doesn't believe what he siad! So who he is? But he has many fans in China.

I love in this video when you say you're to the left of Bernie Sanders but then after you say that the views that you proclaim are more of a moderate stance. I'm an independent and it's hard being an independent in today's America because you're either on the extreme left or the extreme right when people look at your positions on certain political issues. I'm in the universities now and although the far right has many problems that they need to attend to when it comes to my own personal experience the far left has ruined the universities, The humanities and social sciences are pure snake pits and I'm ready to graduate and get out of this University lol

@doncarveth

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I know what you mean and I agree, except when you call the new authoritarians the “far left.” I think they have very little to do with the left which, in my mind, is all about the critique of and resistance to capitalism. In my mind, identity politics is not left politics. You are right, the humanities and social sciences are contaminated by the new authoritarianism. I know several brilliant young people who have gotten out in the face of this nonsense. I am a member of the old left, by which I mean a democratic critique of capitalism. Read Erich Fromm With whom I agree on most points. Thank you for your response.

@webb8846

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@@doncarveth well I guess to rephrase some of my words I'm not saying that the far left are the authoritarians I'm saying that the people that are the authoritarians are disguising themselves as being far left. And you being part of the old left I would say that me and you would agree on mostly all major political issues although I'm an independent because to me it seems like the American independent like me are pretty much a resemblance of the old left Democratic party if that makes any sense. I'm an independent but I am very liberal in a lot of my views. The old left Democratic party does not resemble anything anymore in the American far left Democratic party it's almost two different ideologies. And I will definitely read what you suggested. I've watched all of your videos several times over and if you're part of the old left then I would say me and you agree on a lot of major political issues although I'm an American independent. I'm also not saying that the far right in America doesn't have their problems because they have lost their focus on what to campaign on they're stuck on saying the 2020 election was stolen and there's hardly any evidence that that election was stolen but yet they're telling people that and all that does is hurt the American people and their confidence in the voting system

@webb8846

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@@doncarveth and it really is aggravating professor because I've spent a lot of money on my education and most of the time I learn the most by just reading and studying Freud and other giants in the field of psychology and psychoanalysis, I learn more from doing my own research than I do in the university in which I pay to go to. I would really like to have you do a video on your views on Democratic socialism versus capitalism because I am a big supporter of capitalism just because I grew up extremely poor and because of capitalism I'm invested in multiple companies and I have a multiple homes and I can afford my own education because of capitalism but I understand the arguments for both sides but I love hearing views from people that I respect their opinion because America does not do a good job at explaining Democratic socialist because I tried watching a convention of Democratic socialism a year ago to try to learn about it and in the convention they spent the first 30 minutes arguing over pronouns so it seems like they're priorities are absurd and it's a turn off when someone tries to convince you why their view is good when they can't even have a intellectual dialogue and I'm not a big fan of karl Marx, just because it seems like his ideology done a lot of damage in a lot of countries and while he was writing his literature he was enjoying the benefits of capitalism but yet speaking against capitalism it's hard for me to truly value someone's writing if I know that they're playing both sides of the field in a sense

@webb8846

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@@doncarveth after I read the gulag archipelago that really did change my views of Karl Marx, I almost get anxiety when I see things or hear things on the news that seems to be a reflection of his ideology just because of what Alexandra wrote in the gulag. It makes me extremely nervous and especially the new postmodernism Steven Hicks does a wonderful job at dismantling that ideology

@doncarveth

Жыл бұрын

@@webb8846 yes

I respect you so much and watch your lectures, but on this.... He clearly explains these things in detail. Perhaps listen to his lectures (not just some of the interviews, which some are just summaries of). He addresses the prophets concept. In short (my words here), society has two parts to it, right - structure, left - openness for the displaced and corrupted structure to reorder itself. The Jewish kings represented structure, prophets represented left - renewal for the displaced etc. There's a place for balance between the two, but reducing a whole society just for the displaced ends up in tyranny. That's in as small as a nutshell as I could manage rn.

@YG-kk4ey

4 жыл бұрын

Just wanted to add how genuine and authentic your thoughts on your political positions were (which surprisingly doesn't happen often within public sphere). And of course I love your Psych lectures

too much splitting

Its interesting how the opening credits includes his title but refers to Jordan Peterson without a title🤔 Intellectual versus amatuer academic. Clincal Psychologist versus Sociology professor with psuedo psychoanalysis qualifications.

@jankan4027

4 жыл бұрын

Did you listen? Prof. Carveth talks about differences not about battles...

@overimagination2812

4 жыл бұрын

Your comment says more about your relationship with your parents.

@capitalt3977

2 жыл бұрын

I expect Prof. Carveth would have some interesting things to say about your need to denigrate him in order to protect your good object Peterson.

btw sir, he also doesn't believe in Climate emergency we are going to face.

@Man.Well93

Жыл бұрын

Because... We Are not.

Pleace, visit russia and You will run out of socialism idees for ever :)

@jankan4027

4 жыл бұрын

Try to read something from Immanuel Wallerstein, if you want :)

I get the impression that Jordan Peterson is a problematic person.

Jordan serves a purpose. And he has seen the far right’s need for producing the illusion of critical thought. And he fills that need artfully. This is dangerous.

The minute he admits to being on the left I realized I've heard enough. It's that self-righteous my way or the highway mentality that's soon to follow. Not interested. I have my own problems and am unwilling to take on his.

@jankan4027

4 жыл бұрын

Left, right - it doen't matter if there is unconscious. Left to what and right to what?

@jackdawcaw4514

4 жыл бұрын

JanKan huh? What does that even mean?

@jankan4027

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackdawcaw4514 I say that the left / right category is a rather limited concept that does not explain anything. What was right in the past is considered very leftist today. Above all, it means that the place or position from which we judge what is left or what is right is not reflected - but is in the unconscious, which is historically mediated and shaped by power relations. But of course there is also the truth of our subjectivity. And we can only access it with good, critical theory, self-reflection and, of course, in an analysis, that people are unlikely to submit to. The truth lies, namely, at the point where the subject refuses to know.

@jankan4027

4 жыл бұрын

A joke from Poland in the 1970s: "In capitalism it is a question of man's exploitation by man. In communism it is the reverse." check out this: understandingsociety.blogspot.com/2020/05/alternative-social-systems-and.html

@tyrannosaurusalex3660

3 жыл бұрын

@@jankan4027 That's to say left or right, it's all relative.

He's just not particularly intelligent. Seems to not understand nuance he's very black and white.

@d.nakamura9579

4 жыл бұрын

MadebyReuben I think his recent success with the manosphere has made him jump the shark. Rogan has some nutty ideas too

@jackdawcaw4514

4 жыл бұрын

I think it's incorrect and unfair to deduce a lack of intelligence from not understanding nuance, or having 'strange' ideas or being radical. We can disagree with them, we can think they're being silly, but let's not stoop to the level of immediately devaluing them (they're stupid) because that's the same kind of black and white thinking you are accusing him of.

@Herp234

4 жыл бұрын

"He's just not particularly intelligent" anything you say hence forth is discredited.

@d.nakamura9579

4 жыл бұрын

Herp234 there are different kinds of intelligence besides the intellectual type. Maybe due to his problems with addiction, but Peterson has shown little in the way of emotional intelligence recently.

@jackdawcaw4514

4 жыл бұрын

@@d.nakamura9579 While it may be true there are different kinds of intelligence, when we attack a specific kind we should specify it. If you use a general term like intelligence, people will assume you are speaking of intellectual intelligence, since that is what it is most often equated with. Not to mention that I think it is silly to use a term like intelligence in this context at all.

Who are you and why should we care again?

@jankan4027

4 жыл бұрын

Who are you? What criteria do you follow? Psychoanalysis has thankfully developed the concept of transfer.