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@fictionsolosanyverseyounam7599

Жыл бұрын

Man , it feels wierd and illogical but I believe I'm a conservative Athiest. The reasoning for my position is quite complex (wierd) but logical to me in a way. Either this comes because I was born in a conservative religious family or it's because of my intimate human nature.

@motherisape

Жыл бұрын

Who is Jordan Peterson ?

@motherisape

Жыл бұрын

@@fictionsolosanyverseyounam7599 conservativeness comes from emotion every person is conservative by emotion but if you use logic you will not be conservative so use logic instead emotion

@alpeshmittal3779

Жыл бұрын

​@@motherisape where do you get that reasoning buddy? I find conservatives are more ruthless than liberals.

@preethiparameswaran3948

Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much Pranav for making this video... I have seen many people who are atheist/rationalist fall for him...

Dr. Peterson was a great help to me when I was in depression through his videos. He compelled me to do the right thing and work on myself. And I am grateful for that. The real problem started when he started giving opinion about everything from history, religion, gender politics and everything under the sun. Being a girl initially I was too, sympathetic towards his views on feminism because I thought we have achieved everything for women. Then I realised it's not true for women in many countries like middle East and South Asia. My thought is that we should not allow an expert of one field to detect narrative on other unrelated fields. It's simply stupid.

@EvilSapphireR

Жыл бұрын

When has JP tried to discredit women's movement in middle east/SE Asia?

@beactivebehappy9894

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@EvilSapphireR I don’t know if he has done it specifically but dismissing feminist movement as a whole kind of also dismisses around the world

@EvilSapphireR

Жыл бұрын

@@beactivebehappy9894 it doesn't. I'm far from a JP fanboy, but criticising a movement as vast and global as feminism doesn't mean invalidating the success some localised versions of it achieve. JP specifically criticises the western version of feminism as it stands today, and its never ending crusade to appropriate victimhood for women even when there is none. Eastern/Western societies are vastly different with very different religious/social/gender dynamics, and conflating criticism of one with the other is a myopic thing to do. Just because one points out disenfranchisement of men in the west doesn't mean he's against improved rape laws in India.

@iiTzKaran_YT

Жыл бұрын

​@@beactivebehappy9894 JP doesn't dismiss feminism at all, I'd say he's a feminist himself, you should've heard about him helping many women out in their lives and how he's trained then to do better, his criticism is most against the extremists

@animeshb1238

Жыл бұрын

Exactly this is what is happening. Earlier only film celebrities were in this position where they were asked every topic under the sun. Now people from other field who eventually become social media celebrities are facing this.

The biggest problem is not Peterson or any other "guru" or "influencer" figure. The problem is people who have extreme views and think they know more than they actually do, and only consume content that feeds their point of view. They see everything as black or white. Most things are nuanced and often multi-faceted. One needs and open mind, a logical brain, an empathetic heart, and a desire to seek balance.

@jeanniemaycrawford4466

7 ай бұрын

Empathy literally has no value when logic is at play

@peacetoall1858

7 ай бұрын

@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 Theoretically yes! But when it comes to most human interactions, you need a blend of empathy and logic, with one weighing in heavier than the other depending on the particular circumstance. Otherwise people would be either histerical empaths or inhumane robots.

@jeanniemaycrawford4466

7 ай бұрын

@@peacetoall1858 sure, if human interaction is involved, you could possibly be right But the dude is speaking to his audience through his videos, there's no point for empathy when he's trying to make others espouse his logic

@peacetoall1858

7 ай бұрын

@@jeanniemaycrawford4466 I was talking about general life. As for this specific case, I would argue that his "logic" isn't pure logic. His views have come about as a consequence of his environment(real and virtual), experiences, interactions, internal and external reflections, and a lot more. That means his "logic" is not pure and is indeed (for lack of a better word) tainted with emotion. Part of that emotion is certainly empathy toward the men he addresses. Again, I'm not saying he's right or wrong, but while what he says may seem logical to some, it may not to others. Which means it's not pure logic, as pure logic can't be argured against by anyone who isn't an obstuse imbacile. So the point is that he's not trying to "make others espouse his logic". He's trying to convey his thoughts and "feelings" on whatever subject he's on about in his vidos and interviews. Sorry about the long post, I just like to be clear.

@makingsense6345

4 ай бұрын

I agree with you in the general sense that the problem isn't Peterson. But fundamentally, what you're promoting is indistinguishable from agnosism and pluralism. So where do we move from here?

Dude. I appreciate your honesty. I think there are many who take Jordan Peterson extremely seriously without digging any further. Especially because people like Ben Shapiro and Jordan Peterson are much more visible than a Slavoj Žižek or a Sam Harris, it is not encountered either. I think there are several lessons to be learned from this: 1 - Just because someone speaks calmly and convincingly doesn't mean someone is right. And 2 - What is the agenda of someone with certain points of view?

@MajICReiki

6 ай бұрын

You described observational assessments of the act, which I believe is called, discernment.

@Addison-RN

4 ай бұрын

OH MAN! right? One of the most ignorant aspects of his behavior is how he treats people when they ask him questions or when questions are posed about two opposing parties in a debate. He dismissively tells them that they are wrong, such as when he claimed someone was not an atheist despite their assertion. This can be quite disconcerting, as Jordan, being a clinical psychologist, should possess better conversational skills given his background in psychology. It is truly frustrating, and similar to Ben Shapiro, he resorts to talking quickly and talking over others in order to "win" the argument and create the illusion of being correct. While I hold a degree in psychology, I do not possess the same scholarly knowledge that Jordan does. However, he could easily accommodate others by simply asking for their name when engaging in conversation. If individuals use their preferred pronouns at work, it would be simple for him to acknowledge and respect their choices. If he struggles with pronouns during conversation, he could bypass his ignorance by using the person's name instead. In every debate he partakes in, he stubbornly maintains that he is right, regardless of the circumstances.

@emmang2010

4 ай бұрын

Speaking calmly and convincingly is a) how you should present yourself in a debate which is something others he faces don't do nearly as well if at all. b) him speaking convincingly using logic and reason and then others using their own logic and reason to ponder what he's saying, is why it may seem people take him seriously. Because he has intelligent things to say rather than saying there is a one word answer for injustice across the globe. We forgetting he's also a psychologist and has an authoritative say on many of these matters especially the GPG?

@user-bb8sw1jo6o

4 ай бұрын

I honestly think his intention is to save the world and prevent it from repeating atrocities. He seems pretty self important, but maybe he should, because he's damn powerful. i feel pretty confident in that assessment. I doubt he crafted all of these ideas to conceal his bigotry.

@emmang2010

4 ай бұрын

@@user-bb8sw1jo6o Most people who don't have an ideology and aren't listening to what he's saying already angry at everything he stands for, come to similar conclusions you have made.

I was ready to disagree with you based on the title, but you've made some great arguments against JP views on religion, climate change, etc. But I have to disagree with your assertion that he's the "the most problematic intellectual of our time". The advice on psychology, putting your house in order, how to think, etc. is absolutely invaluable to a young mind. As critical thinkers, we have to always be careful to not throw the baby out with the bathwater. People are complicated, not all their views are consistent, not every belief is defensible with randomized controlled trials or double-blinded peer-reviewed studies. Right or left is almost never completely right or wrong, there is always a nuance in the middle. And understanding that nuance should be our goal.

@just-gc4hh

Жыл бұрын

1.5 million subs 🙀

@Preetvnd

11 ай бұрын

The reality is that almost everyone that follows JP does so because of his politics and not because of his self-help. And his politics are awful, misogynistic, homophobic & sexist.

@Raj-gc2rc

10 ай бұрын

But what arguments did he make ..... he is just lying ?

@ninasharma1356

10 ай бұрын

​@@PreetvndI can bet you cannot even tell the meaning of the terms you used. He improved the lives of millions of women of all age groups. Better you learn to think

@greybo4034

10 ай бұрын

​@@Preetvndso?

Pranav, how dare you call out a guy whom I base my whole personality upon? I spend 15 hours a day defending guys and girls who say bad things about Jordan. I refuse to entertain any opposing viewpoints, even though I have never ventured into the real world or engaged in meaningful conversations with women. I am inclined to believe that all women are merely after money and that any mention of feminism is just a product of ignorance. I am content in my self-proclaimed "sigma" bubble, where I consider myself superior and label others as "beta males." Please refrain from challenging my beliefs, as I am quite comfortable in this delusion. Whenever I come across a feminist post on Instagram or any discussion about equal rights, I automatically dismiss it and brand the person as uneducated. I arrogantly consider myself the most knowledgeable person in the world. Additionally, I use terms like "L" and "L generation" to degrade others, and I misuse the term "feminist" as if it were an insult. In my own little world, I believe I have solved all my problems, which is why I feel the need to meddle in other people's lives and make derogatory comments like "LGBT is unnatural" or "It's not biological." I perceive myself as the center of the universe, and everything revolves around me.

@HiSharma-ok8gr

Жыл бұрын

Dude your sarcasm 😂

@theturdshow2377

Жыл бұрын

😂😂

@damnsatisfying921

Жыл бұрын

Butthurt right winger crying after reading this 😂

@thethunderbird9139

Жыл бұрын

Right winger crying after reading this 😂

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

Damn, You destroyed the manosphere guys like Andrew Tate. 🤣🤣🤣

What is shocking and dangerous about JP is that he uses his psychology degree to bring credibility to the Christian worldview. I was obsessed with Peterson when he posted self-help lectures at the beginning, I was turning to atheism during this time and I thought it was odd that he was constantly synthesising Bible verses into his reading of post modern social dynamics. If I didn't have atheism to temper JP's influence I would've ended up a rabid, co-dependant fan-boy and would've never caught the misuse of Psychology and re-assessed post-modernism . Christianity like most religion has been very anti-science and post-modernism relies largely, if not entirely, on the might of science to bring positive and sustainable changes to society. So I completely understand why a closeted Christian would be against post-modernism.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

Science and religion can't co-exist. One uses old ideas while other is continuously discovering new ones. I f you see anyone trying to link them, they must be upto something.

@rishi6764

Жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts

@urooj09

Жыл бұрын

He is a conservative and so many people in India especially men are watching these videos of him and ben shapiro. I see people from India talking about woke and men right activist. It has already seeped in society

@cauliflowerhead2735

Жыл бұрын

@@urooj09 I think that this sentiment was already there in indian society as we are comparatively WAY more patriarchal than the west. JP has simply given legitimacy to their pre-existing beliefs and they feel more emboldened to wear it on their sleeve. The internet somehow amplifies what people already think.

@max-cs9ko

Жыл бұрын

I think the main reason he was attacked he spoken against gender transition surgery of minors and promotions of homosexuality in western schools and thats why his twitter was suspended, tbh there’s nothing wrong if someone stand for protection of childrens from gender politics, even though I admire this channel work this video is completely biased

The most hilarious thing about peterson was his debate with zizek. Peterson tells people to read 800 pages worth of reference books before putting forward their argument.. and he hadn't even read the communist manifesto

@jaxwhyland

Жыл бұрын

Peterson not only read the communist manifesto, but understands it deeply. Zizeks objections to Peterson were that he wasn't directly quoting the communist manifesto and was instead presenting the implications of it. Remember when you were in high school and the teacher told you to "write it in your own words"? That's to show that you actually understand the text well enough to express them accurately through your own unique words and perspective.

@skumflum3768

Жыл бұрын

Wait? You mean the the opposite right? He had read it and analyzed it at great length in the debate. Zizek sidetracked him though since it turned out that he was a strange Marxist

@pm6127

Жыл бұрын

@@jaxwhyland that's not what it came off as.. he refused to actually cite any material at all from the manifesto but wanted to present a grim picture of it. Zizek simply asked about the parts which peterson found objectionable and peterson couldn't come up with anything. It's a simple book meant for workers for Christ sake.. peterson loves to reference 800 pages thick random books but can't say which parts of CM he was talking about.

@pm6127

Жыл бұрын

@@skumflum3768 lol.. he hadn't. He was describing how he thought the manifesto was.. but didn't say anything from the actual text. It's like me giving a movie review without actually talking about any plotpoints.

@skumflum3768

Жыл бұрын

@@pm6127 did you expect him to read it out loud? It was a perfectly reasonable analysis

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." Voltaire

@goshi132

12 күн бұрын

Jesus always confronted religious people of his time. Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets. '(Mathew 23)

Word salad is Peterson's favourite dish

@stravinskyfan

Жыл бұрын

You just didn't have that capability to understand them.

@shikhargupta4966

Жыл бұрын

​@@stravinskyfanonly lobsters can

@neerajvashisht5364

Жыл бұрын

​@@stravinskyfan but first you'll have to tell....what do you mean by "you", what do you mean "didn't", what do you mean by "have", what do you mean by "capability", what do you mean by "understand", what do you mean by "them"

@one_autumn_leaf69

Жыл бұрын

​@@neerajvashisht5364lmao😂

@jaxwhyland

Жыл бұрын

​@@mynnkkk I've watched his debates with Dillahunty and Harris so many times that i can almost recite them verbatim. This is because I have taken the position of "If it sounds like word salad to me, but makes perfect sense to, and has improved the lives of millions of other people, sheer probability would indicate that I'm the one who doesn't understand what's being said." What petersin haters seem not to notice is their disdain for him. It's not that he simply doesn't make sense to them, if that was the case they'd just ignore him and get on with life. There's this apparent desire to attack him and show outright agression to him whenever possible. Anyone with a psychology background knows that aggression toward someone is a threat response. You don't show such illwill to someone unless they pose some kind of threat to you. I guess what I'm saying is that people's hatred toward Jordan Peterson is an acknowledgement that you feel threatened by him

Sadguru of the west is so accurate. Both talk of just enough of motivation to strap you in, to then take you for a ride with their misinformation and prejudice

@showmetheway2

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they are so good at the strapping in part. Extraordinary even.

@spellcheck5393

11 ай бұрын

Woi JP baba

@jimmy_xi9342

11 ай бұрын

What prejudice and misinformation?

This man Peterson is just so confident about whatever he speaks. It os this conviction that confused his opponents. However the only time I saw his tactics failed was when his opponent was Salvoj Zizek. That debate is really amazing.

@Nietzsche666

11 ай бұрын

I just can't tolerate Zizek's accent. I've personally found it to be really disturbing. I can't listen to the guy for more than 5 mins lol 😅💀

@valerietaylor9615

7 ай бұрын

I’m half-Slovenian. I don’t mind Zizkek’s accent, but I find him somewhat uncouth.

@SaurabhNJR10

7 ай бұрын

Man no one could do what zizek did to Peterson in that debate.

@kal22222

2 ай бұрын

Have you watched Dillahunty's conversation with Peterson? Worth a watch

Please debunk Sudhanshu Trivedi, He is making pseudoscientific claims on every platform

@ravindra869

Жыл бұрын

Even a person with the least understanding will cross check his claims before accepting.

@girdharsingh4287

Жыл бұрын

Never heard of him. Who is this guy?

@404ErrorGodNotFound-jh9rt

Жыл бұрын

He already did 2 - 3 short videos in his second channel.

@404ErrorGodNotFound-jh9rt

Жыл бұрын

@@girdharsingh4287 Hindu sceince minister.

@lareveur6094

Жыл бұрын

That clown should not get any footage

A decade ago I found his clips on fixing my life. A clear perspective on everyday things, handling emotions, taking responsibility. A beacon of hope and encouragement in a constantly ignorant world. Instant fanhood. Years passed and his popularity grew, but his opinions went from Psychology lessons to literally everything he could get his hands on, especially socio-political and socio-economic issues. He went too far with his aspirations and fell to appeasing conservative frat boys. His arguemts became very polarising, as he started mixing his Christian Dogma with his established worldview. A rational person could see a new-found pattern of word salad with no logic. It was just a matter of time that his Right Wing bubble would burst, and it did. He got destroyed by Zizek in one of the most important debates in recent history. Rewatching his clips today gives no sense of credibility. So yea, he's not the same man we were once fond of. He gives the vibe of a boomer uncle in his echo chamber.

@RatioBozo69

Жыл бұрын

wow. perfectly put.

@max-cs9ko

Жыл бұрын

I am not aware of his religion based discussion, but the way western elites are promoting homosexuality is insane, the main reason why his twitter was suspended because he taken stand against gender transition surgery of minors and its promotion by hollywood celebrities and there’s nothing wrong in it, western elites are also promoting their own dogma on name of feminism and gender identity politics

@abhishekjpatil

Жыл бұрын

Power corrupts everyone

@avisharma4576

Жыл бұрын

I watched the Zizek decade a couple of months ago. And I disagree he destroyed Peterson. Both made good points. That's more of like human psyche, You and I follow someone and then get a kick out of saying that that person has lost it... He has just become popular. That's pretty much all that has happened. His opinions are as informed as they were a couple of years ago. You have just lost your ability to find value in what Peterson and Zizek were saying. They both made awesome points.

@janshersingh

Жыл бұрын

​​​​​@@avisharma4576 lol you have been fangirlling over Peterson under this video with your comments, I really had no urge to reply to it, yet you come and tell me that I am getting a "kick" out of the fact he lost OR I don't have the "ability" to understand their greatness 🤡 I can say you're projecting the same "lack of understanding" that you accuse me of. Peterson's entire new-found personality has been about an invisible enemy - the post-modernist cultural marxists, yet when Zizek asks him that what does he know about these so called Marxists, JP said he doesn't understand Marxists as he hasn't read much about their beleifs, which means he's been locking horns with an entity he has no idea about. The entire debate is polite but Zizek wins and JP loses. Cope Harder

I went through the same transitions as you, I was also an atheist from India, who got hugely influenced by the “intellectual dark web”. Now I know better

@82abhilash

Жыл бұрын

Do you? Or have you fell into another trap. Maybe time will tell.

@soulfuzz368

11 ай бұрын

@@82abhilashexactly. It’s amazing how little self awareness people have.

@soulfuzz368

11 ай бұрын

If you are the type of person to be hugely influenced by one group then chances are you are still able to be hugely influenced by another. To say you now know better is a deeply naive thing to say.

@harrynac6017

10 ай бұрын

​@@soulfuzz368It's the difference between believing someone at his word, and doing the actual fact check. Fact check Peterson, and a lot of what he's saying turns out to be, at best ill informed or at worst a lie.

@soulfuzz368

10 ай бұрын

@@harrynac6017 I agree but I would extend this level of criticism to all media personalities. Fame and attention makes liars of us all. Is there some other media guru you think speaks only the truth and deserve the attention and fame they receive?

It just occurred to me how much childhood emotional neglect can lead one to the horrors of Jordan Petersen fandom. He talks constantly about how young men aren’t seen, validated, or told they have inherent worth and their feelings matter. If your parents never provided those things, then those points will resonate with you. Throw in psychological patriarchy where these young men get mocked, bullied or ostracized for expressing their feelings or being vulnerable and it just makes it worse

I don’t think Jordan Peterson is trying to be needlessly confusing with his speech. He has always come across to me as sincere and genuine. I relate a lot to the way that he thinks and gets caught up in semantics. It’s hard for me to understand when people say that he just uses wordplay and has some hidden agenda. I think his beliefs are entirely genuine, but I think it would be beneficial if he used more conventional definitions and frameworks.

@Max07964

2 ай бұрын

No, he is not. It's bullshit word salad. His fans often need help understanding what he's saying. That allows him to sound more intelligent than he is and allows people to project their prejudices and feelings onto whatever he's saying.

I used to watch Peterson clips and reels just an year ago lol and I found him fascinating at that point. I'm glad I've changed myself a lot since then.

@max-cs9ko

Жыл бұрын

I think the main reason Jordan Peterson was attacked he spoken against gender transition surgery of minors and promotions of homosexuality in western schools and thats why his twitter was suspended, tbh there’s nothing wrong if someone stand for protection of childrens from gender politics, even though I admire this channel work this video is completely biased

@Stoiccynic224

Жыл бұрын

@@max-cs9ko true. Apart from Jordan's religious views, i mostly agree with his social outlook.

@rahul-rz5uj

Жыл бұрын

I still love his work I just don't care about the other stuffs he talks about 🥲

@grootguy890

Жыл бұрын

@@max-cs9ko the real problem isn’t even about trans rights Look the amount of attention people like him are giving to the trans movement in the first place.The more people talk about it more people get exposed to it.Otherwise trans people could have gone by as a small community of people.

@82abhilash

Жыл бұрын

Why? Because he is a transphobe? There is no reason to believe that Pranav is less flawed than JP.

I'm so relieved to find out that there are people who are really rational. Your audience is amazing. A comment section where you can scroll through without bumping into waves of stupids. 😂

@zany4132

Жыл бұрын

Yeah consider it a safe space ❤️

@T3Rmin4LCuRi0siTy

9 ай бұрын

the thing is that half the world thinks you are stupid too. What you described is an echo chamber which is used to propagate confirmation bias in people. This guy pranav claimed the covid vax was safe when it came out, but only after its use, people started dying of random heart attacks. There was a detailed study on Cardio myopathy by an independent doctor from John Hopkins, yet this guy pranav just trolled Djokovic instead of getting into the science of vaccines. Because that would expose him right away. Both the left and right are fooling people left right and center. He is no different when it comes to serving the companies who are funded by the left. As for Peterson, he is a great psychiatrist and a doctor. But I wouldn't take religious advice from him. Its that simple. Social medias job is to confuse the people with opinions. Thats it.

@DalitShiv_Nagwanshi

8 ай бұрын

I too feel relieved here.

@ujjwalrayamajhi1014

8 ай бұрын

@@zany4132 or an echo chamber ironically

@wiredweird4953

7 ай бұрын

or you can say... an echo chamber of your own world views, delusions and stupidity.

“I have figured out a way to monetise the Social Justice Warriors”- Jordan Peterson on the Joe Rogan podcast

@annoyingcommentator1582

3 ай бұрын

Well, if I'd wish for one breakthrough, it would be that. Unironically the pinnicale of modern archievment.

Pranav, let me tell you. You are basically me when it comes to the chronology of events that happened with you and who you followed and got influenced by. It was like i was doing self reflection. I'm now exactly where you are right now with my position. Loved the video. Cheers 😊

@82abhilash

Жыл бұрын

He is not self-reflecting. He has made assumptions about the world and probably share his world with people who hold those assumptions. He has not examined his world-view or even properly understand what it is.

@binitmishra6750

Жыл бұрын

@@82abhilash well i never said he was, but what you said might be true. He is only to answer

@potts995

Жыл бұрын

@@82abhilash How do you know?

@82abhilash

Жыл бұрын

@@potts995 read what I have written elsewhere.

Sad u r not getting sponsor.....I'm an unemployed viewer and can't support ur channel financially but keep telling friends about your videos that's the only support I can give right now.... please keep going 💟

@BAbhijeet

Жыл бұрын

Same here😢

@gnanasabaapatirg7376

11 ай бұрын

Obviously stupid people are unemployed. Get a job man leave philosophy until you get one.

As an intellectual atheist, I'd love to hear you science based opinion on trans women in women's sports.

@loyisad1211

Жыл бұрын

What of it? There are cis women in sports with high testosterone. You know that right?

@dinirx

11 ай бұрын

Yes😂, i wanna see his scientific explanation on so called LGBTQ as well

@MyNameIsSatoruGojo

11 ай бұрын

@@dinirx

@MyNameIsSatoruGojo

11 ай бұрын

no he wont do that he has a particular way of operating as far as i have seen he slants a particular way in analysis.

@samuelrahulpeter

11 ай бұрын

@@loyisad1211 wow, if you knew anything about human endocrinology, you'd know that even high levels of natural testosterone in young women can't rival, low levels of testosterone in old men... plus a few months of being on castration meds doesn't negate the advantages gained from a lifetime of high testosterone levels.

This was eye opening! Thanks for sharing, Pranav What helps me is, I try to not follow anyone (not even you. Although, I am subscriber :D). Rather, I try to follow advise that are actionable to my life. That way, I can test them and form an opinion/tweak my interpretations myself. I definitely like - 'thinking = writing'. It does help me be more articulate. I also like 'clean your room' - I see people (very close friends and family) who gives advices that they themselves don't follow.

He is western Deepak Chopra. Both are player of words and excellent individuals who can teach us How to debate without actual logic. Not to miss Sam Harris eta JK on live debate.

@redreaper5083

11 ай бұрын

lol

@gnanasabaapatirg7376

11 ай бұрын

Sam is weird. No god but does meditation which derives directly from eastern religions.

@9535310131

7 ай бұрын

Ham Sarris can look convincing debating anything under the sun, since his logic matches with 19 year old internet atheist

@pratikashranjande7833

3 ай бұрын

​@@gnanasabaapatirg7376 Meditation is less about religion tho

I am amazed at how we had almost the exact same journey. Loved the video!

@amityadav-lt5bc

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I'm so relieved to find out that there are people who are really rational. His audience is amazing. A comment section where you can scroll through without bumping into stupids. 😂

@someoneyouveneverheardof

Жыл бұрын

@@amityadav-lt5bc Yes.

It's so refreshing to see such a balanced take on this by an Indian youtuber. I'm genuinely impressed by your way of articulating yourself. Looking forward to seeing more such content! I too am someone who has gone down the rabbit hole of watching too many Jordan Peterson videos. His eloquent manner of talking overpowers the fact that some of the arguments he makes are purposefully framed in a vague yet intellectual sounding way. The statistics he quotes often tend to be from studies with smaller sample sizes, and even then he only quotes the statistics which are in line with his personal views. And yet he makes his audience believe that anyone who doesn't agree with him simply doesn't want to accept reality (and just needs to clean their room 💀) I still do occassionally listen to him, because of course I love his eloquent manner of speaking, plus I still think there is a lot I can learn from him. It's also beneficial to listen to convincing arguments for things that you disagree on to really question why you disagree with these things in the first place. Would you perhaps also consider making a video about some of his claims in the field of psychology? For example he once mentioned that he doesn't believe in the Multiple Intelligence Theory. I would love to hear your perspective on that. Also I would love to hear your perspective on gender-affirming care for minors, trans people in sports and gender dysphoria (it's included in the diagnostic and statistical manual for mental disorders)

Good work Pranav! JP is a big influence among young Indian men in a negative way. I see a lot of young men becoming misogynists these days.

@scienceisdope

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@bhanwarsinghshekhawat2006

11 ай бұрын

so watching jp is misogyny? in what context? wtf is wrong with you bro

@nikumilotic1333

11 ай бұрын

​@Kai 🏳️‍🌈 ⃠卍 😢you are so naive and cute My Alpha boi 🤭

@nikumilotic1333

11 ай бұрын

@Kai 🏳️‍🌈 ⃠卍 you are so alpha That you need to be misandrist to gain attention

@sasi4417

11 ай бұрын

In what way does Jp advise(not his politics) making Indian men misogynist ???? Maybe you watched those out of context clips of him and anyways enjoy your eco chamber.

I like JP, even after acknowledging every point you made in the video. Humans are very complex, you don't have to accept each of their belief. You can pick and choose what you want to takeaway or not. You mentioned in the video that you will not take JP by his word after some incident. Well you should not take anyone by word. Its very important to come at your own conclusion. People have beliefs and groups normalize them.

@broeklien3817

Жыл бұрын

Agree They Idolize Peterson, and when he then appears to be a flawed human being, suddenly they blame him for not being god like anymore? Thats silly

@max-cs9ko

Жыл бұрын

I think the main reason Jordan Peterson was attacked he spoken against gender transition surgery of minors and promotions of homosexuality in western schools and thats why his twitter was suspended, tbh there’s nothing wrong if someone stand for protection of childrens from gender politics, even though I admire this channel work this video is completely biased

@it6647

Жыл бұрын

​@@max-cs9ko if he wishes to argue that this is happening, he needs evidence This idea that children are being transitioned at a young age is a very common one, but it's not something that reflects reality(no, puberty blockers don't count, they were used way before their implementation in trans healthcare to prevent onset of early puberty in women, they have been studied extensively since then) Moreover, he's a Christian right So he must've known about the common surgery of circumcision, something done involuntarily on babies without their consent(no, it being harmless is not reason enough, at least with puberty blockers the aim is to minimize any psychological stress and then to stop when the future path becomes clear to progress as per usual) That's worse than puberty blockers, at least there the children need to be both diagnosed with some kind of condition, and even then they're at least given some choice(especially when they reach an age where they can indeed consent for a surgery if they have retained those tendencies) Let's not sugarcoat this, it's mutilation And if he does care about 'irreversible changes that kids go through because of their parents', then he should at least mention his own Christianity's failing in this regard

@pm6127

Жыл бұрын

@@max-cs9ko that's not true at all. None is west is doing gender transition surgery on minors. Heck he even attacked Elliott Paige for having a breast reduction surgery.

@Phininx

Жыл бұрын

@@broeklien3817 Exactly! I think most people hating on JP are actually having also their own demons that cause them to pay attention to things that shouldnt really matter in the long run. You take the positive things out of your surroundings and ignore the negative things. I think that's the best outcome for every human to be able to do so.

I've seen a lot of peterson debunks, this is definitely one of the best. Awesome work, Pranav.

@82abhilash

Жыл бұрын

It is not a debunk. It is a criticism. What exactly did he debunk? Nothing. Pranav just put forward his world-view. One that he holds but does not examine. To borrow a term used by Jordan Peterson in this video, Pranav is imposing moral hierarchy, which he assumes that all the viewers share and agree upon. There is no need to assume that LGBTQ categories are real or if real, then stable. There is no need to assume that protective classes need to be created based on those categories. There is no need to assume that protecting those people that fall within those categories are the greatest moral good. There is no need to assume that those that do that are "civilized" and those who don't are "barbaric". These are components of a belief system. If it is wrong to impose Christianity on those that are unwilling, why is it right to impose this ideology system on anyone?

@Venksama

Жыл бұрын

@@82abhilash yeah it wasn't a debunk, per se. It was a criticism. Everything else you said was wild though. LGBTQ people do exist and are discriminated against all over the world. Hence, it makes sense to put them in a protected class. That is a moral good, I don't know if it's the greatest moral good but why does it have to be? And I would say that being against discrimination makes you more civilized and less barbaric for sure. Don't know what you mean by the last question, not all beliefs are the same. I have no problem imposing anti-discrimination beliefs while being against imposing religious beliefs. That's not hypocritical at all as my goal for society is a more peaceful and tolerant one.

@82abhilash

Жыл бұрын

@@Venksama There are labels called LGBTQ, and there are people labelled that way. Some people self-label with those categories. But that does not mean that those labels represent anything real. We have lot of old labels that intelligent people and even scientists believed in the past that have proven to be inadequate of even false. Human beings are social animals. It is very difficult to know if a human being is acting purely on instinct. Which is what makes the LGB labels suspect. For starters they are only found in Western societies, where such categories of people are given special rights. The argument is that they are oppressed in other countries. Again that seems more like a world view that anything else. It may be that some people have depended on those of the same gender for sexual stimulation, but that does not mean that they are some separate category. Some people like to watch birds and some people like to swim. Do we need separate interest groups for that too? It is an action that people do to better their life. If they are tolerated why not tolerate polygamy and polyandry as well.? Monogamy is a result of Christian indoctrination after all. Also, how far should you tolerate anything? What about people who involve children in such acts and what if the child likes it too? There is an effort now to relabel and normalize pedophilia calling them minor-attracted persons. Now for the T and Q, the new additions, even more problematic. It is just men dressed as stereotypical women to enter private spaces for women. Now you speak about religious imposition. LGBTQ are part of a religious imposition. It goes by the slang term woke. It has its own theology too. But it is presented as facts and masquerades as science.

@benfranklin5121

Жыл бұрын

Left wing in the western civilization are just mentally unstable people

@koalakoalakoalakoalakoala

Жыл бұрын

​@@82abhilashThat's just bullshit. LGBTQ is not a " tag" without meaning. It is you who has no idea about science.

i used to have exact opposite views but creators like you made me think critically and made me rational. thank you and keep up the good work.

@windscaar13

Жыл бұрын

Dude this video didn't even scratch the surface. You should still read more and listen more, probably from both the sides to conclude on your opinions. This video was equally biased and was cherry picking arguments mostly

@jtjones4081

Жыл бұрын

I basically took the same path as SiD concerning Peterson. He seemed bright at first but the more i watched the more I saw tremendous errors spewed with tremendous confidence. Sad, really. His sheep just baahhhh.

@ayushsharma8804

11 ай бұрын

​@@windscaar13 JP is a charlatan, what does a psychologist have to do with diets and climate? That's right nothing. I need no more proof I should not have to disprove every single instance of someone being wrong before I know they are lying for money.

@pushkaraksh123

11 ай бұрын

Coming out of your internet bubble is one of the most challenging thing a person can do on the internet. You must have a strong fortitude and character to achieve that.

I think his wife nearly dying kinda changed him. I understand his obsession with god and I think it’s may be down to Jung’s idea of the collective unconscious. That can be explained easily through evolution although it can appear somewhat spiritual. I believe his wife was given a very small chance of survival after her cancer diagnoses and the fact she surivived probably solidified his belief in god. When I first watched him I assumed he was an atheist and I think he maybe was. I can sense the internal battle between his scientific mind and his human mind that yearns for understanding and the concept of something bigger than one’s self. I think we all struggle with that. He doesn’t know the answers so his soul is searching for a belief. It very comforting having a belief in God. Some people need it. Doesn’t make it true though

@9535310131

7 ай бұрын

Nice fantasy...he was exploring the ideas of Jung since his early days as a grad school lecturer long before he met his wife. Typical one solution to all problems, to dump all intellectual pursuit into the evolutionary process of survival..it's pretty lazy to be honest. Cannot expect more from someone who made the meaning of truth synonymous to "scientific truth"

Hey Pranav, love you videos. I am just wondering if you would make a video on book called "skeptics guide to universe". I think anyone who would love to learn Critical thinking outside of CT class, its magnificient book. 10/10 recommned it to everyone.

Good video, I am off to disorganize my room

Hi Pranav, would you be able to make a video on your observations on the pay gap? either the article or other citations? Good day.

Hey Pranav, What is a Woman?

@palashraghuwanshi4815

Жыл бұрын

hahahahaha

@prime12602

22 күн бұрын

Opinion.

@OmniTranscend

16 күн бұрын

What do you mean by 'what is'?

Jordan fans really need to see this

@Random-ib1iv

Жыл бұрын

I mean as far as LGBT goes , JPs right . This channel is using feelings instead of science . Why should society consider a man who has male characteristics and XY chromosomes to be a lady . This creator uses rationality only when it suits his agenda

"What sane person wouldn't want equal rights for all groups and individuals especially if given them rights wouldn't take anything away from you?" Most societal problems would be avoided if only everyone would adopt this fairly obvious principal, but unfortunately this isn't the case. There's always going to be selfish people out there that don't want equality or everyone to live good lives.

@aaminalizade557

3 ай бұрын

Not to bring humans are just another species of animals and in general may like to use their physical or social advantages to take advantage of the weaker groups or people , am I really wrong? I am highly doubting if these -selfish- people are a half if not majority of humans, at least today.

I listened to the whole video, and I do agree with some of ur talking points. But I'd say I'm still a fan of JP. He's one of the few that have common sense and has helped me understand and overcome a lot of me negative thoughts and depression. He is a Christian, but I don't think he wants to specify that he is bc he knows that he'll probably loose a lot of followers and ppl will correlate EVERYTHING he says to being religious. No one is perfect, everyone is wrong sometimes too. But that's just my respectful opinion

Thank you for making this! , So many people follow his rhetoric blindly.

@boyamitrovic5858

Жыл бұрын

And why do you think people follow him blindly? He lays out a pure facts and a logical way of thinking? Simple as that :)

@goku-jb7us

Жыл бұрын

​@@boyamitrovic5858yeah 👍

@AbhisarRawat

Жыл бұрын

@@boyamitrovic5858 facts paired with specific contexts and absence of other facts cause people to have a bias

@Phininx

Жыл бұрын

I think you are being blindly for saying something so blindly.

@windscaar13

Жыл бұрын

People who follow anyone blindly are fools for doing so. Even following this video blindly is dangerous. This video did not even scratch the surface of the topics it touched upon. People in general are biased so the onus is on us to hear views from both side and come to a conclusion.

Jordan's argument against Climate, as shown in this video, really made me giggle. Imagine amounting all that to a set of silly numbers. I bet he oversimplifies flood and natural disasters as an unbidden error in set of numbers/research 💀

@82abhilash

Жыл бұрын

Natural disasters have been around since time-immemorial. Man has tried to understand it and predict it and control it to protect himself from danger and harness the energies of nature to his advantage. And as long as there has been man, there has been con men trying to capitalize on natural disasters. Yogis, Babas, gurus and the witch doctors have attributed natural disasters to curses that only they can lift. Science was supposed to expose their fraud. But in the 21st century, scientists have usurped the language of science to perpetuate fraud. Scientists are human beings. And human beings can be corrupted. People can lie for money. For grants. It helps them buy big houses and assert great authority. The bigger the crisis, the greater the authority. No lasting solution is ever proposed. For if it works, they lost their cash cow. If it does not, they lose credibility.

@skumflum3768

Жыл бұрын

Climate change dystopians often cite Pakistan as an example, highlighting devastating floods and a significant number of casualties. However, one important aspect that is often overlooked is the remarkable population growth of 200 million over the past 80 years

@mcboat3467

11 ай бұрын

​@@skumflum3768Overpopulation is a myth

@skumflum3768

11 ай бұрын

@@mcboat3467 it really depends on what you’re referring to

@gnanasabaapatirg7376

11 ай бұрын

@@mcboat3467 well did we ever have such population of humans in the past?

Peterson is a businessman. He preys on people's insecurities. So its quite accurate to compare him to Jaggi Vasudev who does the same thing

You should look around right wing youtuber in india , because they are now becoming famous and giving half bake fact and scientific terminology to justify their view. for example :some Vedic channel(veducation/jaipurdialogue )said ramsetu is said to 5000yr old by asi(so they assume to be build by Shri Ram) and said so why not look at Vedic text that said ramsetu Is older than million year so hence proved ramsetu is build million year old , they say it in a such way that this point will get accepted who adores shri ram ,and in such way they also glorify patriarchy with such explanation. 🙏sorry if you are not interested in this type of video , because I can understand it will be more controversial, but I don't want to stop you ,you have given me whole new perspective,I am religious but i believe it is so personal and it should not harm other , because it is base on faith not science.

@unknownmahashay

Жыл бұрын

No jaipur dialogue is great channel they alway speak about facts and ved education also speak logicly .you cannot understand about Vedas like them.

Finally, the video I was eagerly waiting for! 🔥

@motherisape

Жыл бұрын

Ok member

@jangwan

Жыл бұрын

@@motherisape yeah. 🤓 Only ₹29.😉

@motherisape

Жыл бұрын

@@jangwan 😂

@ipepesan

Жыл бұрын

18:00 18:05 18:07 18:08

I love the move towards the video essayist style of content

If you guys want other videos which criticise Jordan Peterson, I can recommend CosmicSkeptic, Vlad Vexler, and Carefree Wandering. All of them professional philosophers and criticise Peterson on different topics.

@Nietzsche666

11 ай бұрын

I don't know the other two guys but Cosmic Skeptic isn't a professional Philosopher LMFAO 😂

@Charlie-br8wp

11 ай бұрын

@@Nietzsche666 According to his website, he is "A graduate of philosophy and theology from St. John’s College, Oxford University". I'm not sure if this qualifies him as a professional philosopher, but given that he's got a degree from one of the best schools in the world, he's certainly not uneducated in philosophy :)

@Nietzsche666

11 ай бұрын

@@Charlie-br8wp Yeah bro, a graduate isn't a professional Philosopher. PhD is generally considered as the threshold to be regarded as a professional Philosopher. The same applies to any field.

@Charlie-br8wp

11 ай бұрын

@@Nietzsche666 I see we differ on our definitions for "professional" philosopher. I won't argue further about that. Still, I stand by my recommendation :)

@Nietzsche666

11 ай бұрын

@@Charlie-br8wp Cool! 😊👍🏻

This is one of your best videos in recent times Pranav !! Keep up the good work!

Matt Dillahunty debate was a classic. I liked him there still, as an ok religious interlocutor, relatively. I think JP really took defeat well towards the end. Then as you say, he's avoided debates altogether, especially Matt Dilahunty.

Thank God that somebody said something about this man. He has been giving Gyan like there's no tomorrow. And I don't even understand most of the things he says. Same with Andrew Huberman.

@mynnkkk

Жыл бұрын

This is because of his Great English vocabulary he looks like someone intellectual nd then he mix matches his word ( word salad ) so that most of audience doesn't even focus on what he is saying but just blindly agree with his stand

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

@@mynnkkk He's exploiting the whole Big words=definitely correct mentality of the commoners.

@alpeshmittal3779

Жыл бұрын

​@@mynnkkk similar to shapiro " say things fast and confuse people "

@Blog_of_Truth

Жыл бұрын

@@mynnkkk freedom of thought is such a wonderful thing. And I love how this community of nonconformist, logical & rational thinkers is growing.

@mynnkkk

Жыл бұрын

@@alpeshmittal3779 exactly, these guys also cleverly use logical fallacies like "Strawman" to win arguments

You are a breath of fresh air. I Appreciate your video.

I've become such fan of your work. Just unable to renew membership using UPI 😢

This is brilliant Pranav..I have watched both Peterson and Sadhguru back in 2018-20. They helped me in my darkest phases but somehow once I was in a bit of clarity and opened myself up for different views or more holistic perspectives, I found their flaws and their manipulation. Thanks a lot for debunking in a civilised manner ✌️👍🏻🫡

I really appreciate someone who admits that they have grown and evolved and come from a place where you were less educated and are honest about that

@T3Rmin4LCuRi0siTy

9 ай бұрын

yeah but thats only that. Dont think because of such a claim you can take him for his word for everything.

@shivamsingh7389

7 ай бұрын

that is one of the most efficient methods of manipulation, to act as if they have been on the other side, makes their argument seem that much more convincing. its quite funny seeing people watch a video all about Jordan deception and simultaneously falling prey to the same kind of deception.

@collinsmcrae

6 ай бұрын

Just because they’ve changed, doesn’t mean they’ve changed for the better or are somehow more correct now. Sorry.

JP's biggest talent is his charm and that he is a very good speaker. Good language and big words. It impresses people and makes you want to believe him. I have listened to his videos. But me being a feminist found his videos very disappointing after some time. Then i heard him talking about lgbt pronouns but the final nail on the coffin was when he did a q and a with college students on climate change. He just kept talking bullshit, going round and round, nothing that made sense. As you said, he managed to confuse the kids and shut them up and his few supporters were cheering and clapping . But it was obvious that he didn't really know what he was talking about atleast about climate change. But he talked with so much of confidence and advanced vocabulary that i had to rethink all the videos i had seen of him till then. As he has some good general life advice, people tend to take everything he says as advice.

Respect to you for keeping an open mind & learning where you went wrong & then correcting. It is an enormous problem that a large majority of people are impervious to information that contradicts their favored of self serving viewpoints. Cheers.

I was told by my friend to listen to JBP in 2016, 5 minutes into his lecture, I was like, he sounds like an Indian professor who reads from a textbook and relies on generalization rather than elaborating nuances. After Trump became president, he realized Trump's followers as the most gullible idiots he can make immense money out of and he did just that. It is worth mentioning that psychology has always been geared and partial towards upper class rich white men while being exclusionary of the rest of the communities. Peterson continues to propagate that vision with regards to psychology, hence you see him dehumanizing others. I will never understand Indian stans of Peterson because he basically considers you as less human for not believing in the Christian God. And even further his belief that the Christian God is the only reason the west is developed while ignoring colonization and the exploitation along with the ill treatment of indigenous communities, black people, asians , latin americans, eastern and central europeans (under the pretext of the same God) who actually contributed to the growth in the west.

@aritrachoudhuri2695

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much my experience as well .

@70newlife

11 ай бұрын

Check out his interactions with Muslims. It's quite interesting. He does open up to other ideas even though he sticks to his own for most part.

@stk6997

11 ай бұрын

I must disagree on your statement that he ignores colonization. I've binged his content, sometimes same podcast multiple times. He makes it very clear what his stand is on colonial times, racism, slavery and prejudice. He never justifies that. What he disagrees is on the current World. He is a Christian and very well so. Just bcz he is white one must not fault him. He didn't ask for the burden of privilege on the basis of race. Instead of personal attacks on his personal beliefs, lets try to counter him on his intellectual rationale. It doesn't matter why he holds the opinion he does. It only matter if he is right and just in what he says.

@spellcheck5393

11 ай бұрын

True. So many women say things contrary to so called male dominated psychology nonsense, but all opinions are mostly rejected. Psychology as science is highly biased towards certain group of people So many psychologists still "treat" gays and lesbians. I

@ishathakor

Ай бұрын

@@stk6997 if you look at what he says about iq, i think that would contradict a lot of what he claims his beliefs on racism and prejudice are. he's basically a stealth advocate for eugenics. as in, he never actually says it because that would be bad, but his faulty conclusions on the nature of humanity and society and so on lead to no other alternative. peterson thinks iq is an accurate measure of someone's intelligence (this is highly dubious, scientifically, and a lot of psychologists spend their careers arguing about it). he believes people's iqs are some sort of innate thing (he provides poor evidence for this that is mostly misinterpreted and ignores swathes of evidence that contradict him) that different races have different iqs (some evidence for this, not enough to make a definitive statement and definitely not enough to say it's innate rather than environmental) and that people in the lowest few percentile of iq can't add to society in any productive way because no jobs exist for them (practically no evidence for this). he believes you shouldn't just give them money because they'll throw it all away (again, no evidence). he believes you can't just teach them to be better at stuff so they can get a job (no evidence for this). so look at the world he lays out - iq is an accurate measure of people's intelligence - iq is innate - some races are inherently more stupid than other races - there aren't any jobs for stupid people - stupid people can't be supported through social programs because they're too stupid - stupid people can't become smarter/smart enough to get one of those jobs through training or studying or any other solution we could possibly come up with this is stealth eugenics. he's laid out the full argument for eugenics and he just stops shy of saying the word and instead says shit like "yeah its a huge problem and we should discuss what to do about it in the marketplace of ideas". he also uses a study done in south africa shortly after apartheid ended to support his "black people are more stupid than white people" claim so the him taking colonization seriously thing is just a farce. no one who actually takes colonization seriously takes disparate scores in what was recently an apartheid nation as evidence of anything other than proof of the evils of apartheid

What the good thing about your channel pranav is that it saves my lot of time.Usually when I have to form an opinion about something or somebody,I want to do deep research but I don't have much time or energy,by watching you video,I would say I get pretty much idea about the thing or a person.

@raven-888

11 ай бұрын

then you are doing exactly the opposite of what he's suggesting here. accepting someone else's claim without verification

@user-bb1rn4cc5z

11 ай бұрын

@@raven-888 It is interesting that you pointed out this thing. But i think there were no scientific claims in this video. But claims like gender pay gap,C-16,pranav already sited the sources in his discription. There was not much to verify also,this video was based on "someone" rather than "something". And his arguments were sound,because I personally have watched many videos of jordern peterson,and I used to thought approx. same about him.

@jimmy_xi9342

11 ай бұрын

​@@user-bb1rn4cc5z Several people have debunked Pranav in the comments but he hasn't responded to any of those comments. How convenient!

Title is kind of misleading, i was in dedepression in my teenage. Listening to lectures it really helps me.

There are glaring issues with Peterson, however, this video fails to critic him and does not do justice to him. Genetically Modified Skeptic on the other hand did a wonderful job at his critique, actually countering his points rather than using "he just has complicated wordplay and jargon" fallacy in logic and butchering his viewpoint entirely. Ciao.

Yeah same here, I was really into him in 2019 and all through 2020 but after he came back from his coma (which I am glad he did) he struck me as something wasn't right and he was leaning more and more towards the alt-right. I slowly stopped keeping up with him as his content became more and more political. The last straw for me was when he defended the Russian invasion of Ukraine. I'm pretty apolitical and people's views don't really bother me but Jordan is way more of a political sensationalist who only stores up controversy and peddles his opinions as facts which is just wrong!

@ivorynails

Жыл бұрын

War might never be the right solution but I defend Russia's rights to defend itself.

@theodiscusgaming3909

11 ай бұрын

@@ivorynails i also defend russia's right to occupy ukrainian land and kidnap ukrainian children

Loved the video ❤ Just somethings I wanted to point out 1) I think you didn't actually refute the claim that he made at 23:15 in the video 2) I don't think he said or meant at 13:25 what you condensed his statement to Bro so should we verify the information he provides in his personality and maps of meaning lecture series too, or can we take his word for it, assuming that if he is teaching the subject at a university, he would know what he is talking about and wouldn't spread misinformation that suits his agenda?

Well done, this was really insightful and entertaining

Calling him an intellectual is like calling Sadguru a scientist.

@productiveboyyy9177

11 ай бұрын

Cold😱😱

@jerniganantonym2684

11 ай бұрын

He's way wiser than you will ever be

@sushio4357

11 ай бұрын

He is an intellectual, just because you don't agree with him doesn't makes him stupid.

Bill c 16 required him to acknowledge not only transgenders but also every other group of people who claimed that they were of a gender that didn't make sense on a biological level ( now i could define what I mean by biological, but i don't want to sound like someone making things unnecessarily complex- hint- sarcasm). It required him as common citizen to not question someone's claim on what their gender is, because that would at some point fall under "discrimination". For a person who actively engages in field of science, with regards to psychology and philosophy, that felt like a direct attack on their ability to think and act as if they are the ones thinking and acting, jorden Peterson himself has said and acted out acknowledging transgender woman on a debate about bill c16 on a Canadian channel The video on KZread is on a channel called 'TheAgenda l Today'.

damn.. loved this one. Keep it going Pranav! excellent episode!

At 6:20, Peterson hasn't said that toxic masculinity isn't a thing. He has either stated that it's difficult to define and separate from toxic behavior overall, or that it's simply a neologism for toxic behavior. The short clip you cited shows a woman asking him to provide an alternative to "toxic masculinity," to which he responded with "responsible masculinity." However, the woman interrupted him and asked for a different answer, prompting Peterson to ask her to define what she means by the phrase. At 7:17, Peterson never denied the gender pay gap. His argument is that it's a multivariate problem, of which unfair discrimination is a part, as he clearly states. Peterson suggests that personality plays a significant role in the pay gap, as women tend to be more agreeable than men, which makes them less likely to negotiate for a raise. The NBER study you mentioned didn't take into account several variables in its full specification: Occupational segregation: Women are more likely to work in lower-paying occupations than men. Unconscious bias: The tendency to make judgments about people based on their gender, even without realizing it. Caregiving: Women are more likely to take time off from work to care for family members, resulting in a loss of income and a decrease in their earnings potential. Negotiation skills: Women are often less likely to negotiate for higher salaries than men. Work-life balance: Women are more likely to take on the majority of caregiving responsibilities in the home, which can lead to them working fewer hours or taking time off from work, affecting their earnings. Occupational prestige: Women are more likely to work in occupations that are seen as less prestigious than those dominated by men, resulting in lower pay even for the same work. At 9:36, Peterson isn't a "practicing" Christian. At 11:15, this definition of God is a psychological analysis of how humans "perceive" God, based on a value hierarchy. Peterson has written a book called "Maps of Meaning" where he explains religion and its formation solely through an anthropological and psychological lens, not through an ontological lens as you are arguing. At 13:29, now it's becoming shallow. You shouldn't touch topics you don't understand. This is genuine criticism, not ad hominem. Let me provide a brief introduction: The argument is that the logical end of rationality is based on its definition, which is the "use of knowledge to attain a goal." Therefore, if my goal is immoral, pursuing it would still be considered rational. Atheists claim that their morality comes from rationality, but how? It's technically impossible. How is causing suffering or reducing someone else's well-being for your own benefit irrational? What defines something as wrong? Don't bother trying to explain; you'll fall into circular reasoning. So not only is Matt wrong here, but he also lacks the intellect to comprehend Peterson's simple argument. Allow me to explain further to avoid any misunderstandings. Here's how it goes: Harming society is generally considered bad without further explanation. All explanations essentially state that harming society is bad for the individual, implying that the deeper definition of sin is "something that is harmful for the individual." Crimes have been and can be committed without consequences. Some argue that most successful ends result from immoral means. So, if one avoids self-harm (both short-term and long-term), would any action still be considered a sin? Let's say you overcome the first two points (which is impossible to do), would it be possible to convince yourself or others, through argumentation, to avoid committing the "sin"? Are people more likely to consider long-term consequences, and how likely is it that people won't be biased in their conclusions? At 15:32, you're not stupid, but you're ignorant. These topics are difficult to grasp for anyone who lacks context or exposure. At 16:00, Christ is both an ideal spirit that combines all the biblical stories (personification of it/spirit/something you can imitate) and a historical figure. It's a distinction between mythology and history. There's nothing complicated to understand here. At 17:40, this concept is challenging to grasp because the definition of supernatural is not ontological but psychological. This means that your subjective experience of the supernatural is the evidence of its existence, as it is the only form of supernatural that exists. I can provide more details if you'd like, but this topic is too complex to explain briefly. At 18:50, Peterson didn't technically misrepresent the study. He never claimed that the sample size was larger or that you could conclude that magic mushrooms can stop smoking. At 20:00, yes, preferred pronouns are a part of Bill C-16. The bill amended the Canadian Human Rights Act to include gender identity and gender expression as prohibited grounds of discrimination. This means that it is now illegal to discriminate against someone based on their gender identity or expression. Misgendering someone, which involves using the wrong pronouns for them, is included in this prohibition. Please read the bill thoroughly. At 21:00, the problem is technical, and you didn't address it. How do you define hate? The logic of political correctness is that "anything offensive to a group identity is considered hate speech." This definition is subjective. It's not surprising that The Lancet used "bodies with vaginas" instead of "women" since the term "women" is considered offensive by transgender women. So, it's justified. Imagine how much harm this can cause; imagine going to jail for using the term "women." That's the technicality of the issue. Watch Peterson's MOM lessons from his Harvard lectures in 1999. After that, I promise you'll laugh every time Harris says anything about religion, and as for Dillahunty, you'll simply block him. Please pin this comment if you truly value criticism.

@Analysis.Paralysis

Жыл бұрын

The entirety of the video exhibited a marked lack of effort. I find it perplexing how Peterson's ideas are deemed difficult to comprehend. While I acknowledge that he does introduce complexities, it is not to the extent that would render one as misinformed as this guy (or most of his critiques). Good job with pointing out the errors.

@naveensalonkar9483

Жыл бұрын

Great job pointing out the flaws and articulating them so effectively.

@L.I.T.H.I.U.M

Жыл бұрын

@@Analysis.Paralysis I think the problem is that they don't like the term "conservative." Just ask them: are conserving liberal values considered conservative or liberal? It's ironic how they call Peterson a conservative Christian, but then argue for politically correct censorship. I wonder who's actually more liberal in this case.

@raghavmundra4006

Жыл бұрын

Wow! So good! I hope he pins it.

@reubenrodrigues5927

Жыл бұрын

@LITHIUM Thank you for your comment. You’ve articulated all of the logical holes in this video. Unfortunately it seems, Pranav is unprepared and too unsophisticated to fully understand and critique these subjects.

My respect for you and your content just skyrocketed. I’ve always been wary of Peterson from his initial days of virality and internet success. His grifting is legendary and his blunt overconfidence is what got him to get to the good books of many impressionable men. He became the intellectual lightning rod of the incels and right-wingers opposed to everything equality and in support of everything manliness. But he has been taken down in many debates with multiple intellectuals, thus he hasnt gone for one of those in the recent years mostly limiting his presence on platforms where he gets his ass kissed and BS legitimised. The same goes for his daughter. Ben Shapiro was and remains to be a ventriloquist parrot, with just nonsense talking points and a lack of spine to actually debate the likes of Sam Seder.

@jimmy_xi9342

11 ай бұрын

Sam Seder who?🤔

@darshanpatel.1782

11 ай бұрын

Why does it seem to be some kind of political disagreement here, both of them are Right wing in some extent.

Thank you and keep on educating us.

"Science may give us the truth but it seldom gives us hope" When you are at your lowest - hope is the only thing that will keep you going. Richard Dawkins himself said any form of philosophy or science is a privilege more than anything else (how can you think if you're struggling to eat 3 meals a day?) In 2023 ANY argument for religion will sound delusional when pitted against science. And even JP couldn’t make a convincing argument for it. But here’s why I think he’s still one of the most important thinkers of our generation. He raised awareness on free speech & trans rights - even if he misinterpreted c-16, he showed the world the dangers of forced speech. His book helped many young adults deal with chaos in its many forms ( as a former Christian I love how he presents practical, actionable learnings from the bible) His analysis of natural hierarchies & morality ( there is no morality in nature ) His message of hope to the angry young men of today His stance on traditionalism and critical thinking His take on religion took me from a militant atheist to someone who respects & learns from religion - even though i don’t agree with it. I really love Pranav’s approach & content but I think JP has far more to offer to the world, it would be wrong to dismiss him just because of his views on religion.

@nananou1687

Жыл бұрын

But he is not doing that. Pranav here cites how one must always be skeptical about J's opinions as he comes from his beliefs which are that of a conservative christian. His fall into the while Daily Wire rabbithole is a massive pointer for that btw

@gokulr8755

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Any person in their right mind would know where to stop believing JP, but everyone can actually erase nihilism and have a sense of purpose because of him without becoming theist.

His videos around religion , psychology and self help is great.. Haven't watched him on politics and gender things

@xandex69

Жыл бұрын

Not religion

@zany4132

Жыл бұрын

Not psychology

@neo-noiranathubronthan6045

Жыл бұрын

And he could make use of some of that self help.

@sin5130

Жыл бұрын

@@zany4132 lol his videos on psychology are pretty insightful

He saw the dollars in weighing in on things he had no academic authority to once he saw those internet view dollar signs.

instant sub. as an american i appreciate the work you're doing in bringing attention to the right wing idealogues and how harmful they rly are. if you want to know a little more about jp's ideology, some more news has an excellent video that explains it all. and most of all i appreciate you debinking the misinfo with your science content. thank you so much

I too was taken aback by Peterson's religious intonations, but soon began to ignore all of it and sieve to the parts where he did make sense.

@windscaar13

Жыл бұрын

I completely agree with your point. Instead of disliking someone for having a different opinion just taking what is necessary from them is always the wise option.

@pm6127

Жыл бұрын

@@windscaar13 the guy is bought by daily wire now.. there's not much we can get other than what daily wire audience loves to hear.

@windscaar13

Жыл бұрын

@@pm6127 I agree that he is not like how he used to be. If that's all he has to offer then nothing wrong looking elsewhere I guess.

Thankfully I missed the first and second waves JP popularity. And only really listened to some of his speeches in 2021 or after (and even then just a few short clips, not whole lectures). I’m keep myself insulated from sjw debates of the day whatever they may be. Anyways, when I came across JP, I noticed two things, he claimed to be an academic but would speak with so much authority about any subject in the sun. And I know no human on earth can be a specialist on more than just a few topics. And he spoke with such confidence that my bullshit alarm went off. The second thing was that if you really just listen to his videos, they’re a whole mess of nothing words. It’s difficult to describe but on a visceral gut instinct, I was like, good or bad, I am going to avoid him.

JP: I believe in Christainity. Also JP: What do u mean by Believe???

The problem is anyone can critique anyone. Unless they both have a dialogue. Someone can take this video and do criticism of it, show some other research etc etc and prove him wrong. And this goes on..

Just one thing to ask,Is it violation of my free speech if I am Compelled by "law" To Speak a specific word That a specific human with Special rights prefers??

Please do dubunking of dinosaur in hindusium

@chirichkilipaaripresents

Жыл бұрын

😅😅😅😅😂

@sahil_r002

Жыл бұрын

ah yes the dino-asur

@heheboiii3566

Жыл бұрын

Dinosaur in Hinduism 🤯🤣

@alpeshmittal3779

Жыл бұрын

Kaha Suna bhai?

@athulsankarsopanam

Жыл бұрын

What 😂😂 dinosaurs in hinduism??

Something that needs to be spoken about is how people like Sam Harris and Hitchens have a really skewed way of arguing for atheism that leads young men toward bigotry. Most people who liked Dawkins, and Hitchens usually slide towards Jordan Peterson and slowly slide towards worse reactionary sides of the internet.

@eJohndoe

11 ай бұрын

Evidence?

@ron1080yeah

11 ай бұрын

Entire red pill movement is evidence for you

I gotta admit. Jordan Peterson is a brilliant speaker. He has the talent of charm, and a way of using words which is very impressing and is most of the time also the cause of his massive fan following. Before this video, I too looked at Peterson on a pedestal but after further learning about his misinformation, I associate it with his intellectualizing of everything. The way he speaks, and the fact that he is a clinical psychologist, these things give him a great stance to utter almost anything he wants and get away with it. The problem also lies in our generation who chooses to get most, if not all of their information from digital media platforms which can be filled with misinformation. That is why I try to lean more towards reading books, which atleast from what I have noticed, have a much lower likelihood of having misinformation and I think this is the ultimate solution.

i think it is the topic more people should talk about jordan peterson's speech is very influential and normal youth can't really diffrentiate between stupidity and statistics.

If there's a gender pay gap let's just hire women so we can save 9% of our revenue 😼

@himanshurai2854

9 ай бұрын

Why discrimination against men ?

Hi Pranav,,, Can you make a video on the scientific basis for Transgenderism and Homosexuality. I always wonder what makes people homosexual or transgender against our natural evolutionary tendency to procreate for survival.

Thank you for making this video. 💜

First time I have seen a video of yours, really enjoyed it, love your work.

There are two layers to content that come out from JP or Sadhguru. First - generic sentences that are useful/relatable. Write things down for clarity, people not feeling heard, etc etc. Anyone can gain these simple insights of life with time. This is where they are likeable/worshipped. The second layer is never saying - I don't know. Personally, I take it as a red flag when a person has an answer for everything, usually presented as criticism, like JP's take on climate change. It's human not to know everything. Few of us are indeed genius, probably have eidetic memories, but they still don't know it all. This behavior is preachy, like the Bible has all the answers. 🤷🏻‍♀️ Anyway, good video! 👏

I don't like Peterson for many reasons, but I think he was right about the bill c16. I am French and a teacher and similar bills have been introduced here without publicity. However, I was once accused by my hierarchy of not addressing properly one of my transgender student. I nearly lost my job over that, but fortunately it wasn't me but another worker who had not used the proper pronouns. In schools here now, if any student decides they want to identify as anything, we have to use the name or pronoun they want, regardless of what they look like or what their family wants. I think it's a total disservice for most kids.

@dmob881

9 ай бұрын

Ah no. He lied through his teeth about Bill C-16 - and the law in Canada. Not one claim he made about it was accurate or true. I am not familiar with the law in France, but I *guarantee* whatever bills have been introduced, they are not anything like C-16 - which, effectively, changed nothing in Canada.

He is 61, so I think it's safe to assume it took him 50 years to learn how to pronounce "Dostoyevsky", 5 years to read "Crime and punishment", and six years to read 200 pages of "The brothers Karamazov"

waiting for more contents like this ... please keep posting @science is dope

this video was really great. videos like these are hard to come by from Indian creators. it really made me happy seeing you talking about this topic so eloquently.

Why is my comment getting removed?

@iiTzKaran_YT

Жыл бұрын

What did u write

@babayada2015

Жыл бұрын

Hate speech is generally censored by YT

@shutuppanic9205

Жыл бұрын

Surya i saw you on vimoh's channel

I haven't even started the video yet... But before going through the video, I really want to thank you and whole team of science is dope... Thanks ☺️ ❤

I've been waiting for this video❤

Can you make a vidio about why most of the indians brag about things that had never happend?

@carnivalbeast6307

Жыл бұрын

Idk man unnecessary nationalism

He will write an essay to a yes or no question.

@palashraghuwanshi4815

Жыл бұрын

Because life is not an mcq exam. Complex Questions require complex answers.

OMG! Thankful that I landed to your video. I had myself questioning whether I'm the only one who is finding these people's strange.

This video is on point. I would love to see you on The Line with Matt Dillahunty at some point!

Dude you are so underrated And tbh I want you to be that !!

Peterson isn't an intellectual he's a rank opportunist.

Kudos~ You have great clarity and express your thoughts well. You also give great background with examples of the things you are speaking about and what your are attempting to get across. It is important, useful and it verifies. One thing I do not comprehend and personally do not see the point of is why you are moving toward wanting to be [I don't remember what you called it, but] challenged or proved wrong. What is the point of that~? I am not saying you shouldn't welcome challenge but I see no point in encouraging it. That is like saying you don't trust your own mind or that your thoughts and opinions are not valuable. You lean toward what a lot of us already see in J. Peterson and you are not alone. To hope someone comes along to disprove you is doing a disservice to young men and all those young Indian males we are concerned for. We have enough problems with young men in our world, who don't find genuine playfulness and happiness and female companionship. Just look at Hamas, ISIS and all the rest.