I'm impressed with the level of fluency he has in general finance, economics, statistics, and business for specializing in psychology.

@michael57603

3 жыл бұрын

i frankly don't feel people are much use unless they understand a few fields well and one or two fields very well. Because they can't relate properly to clients otherwise.

@Gaonaism

3 жыл бұрын

He's a really good businessman/entrepreneur. His works include: software programs, books, video content, screening programs, and speaking engagements.

@josem.sanchez6452

3 жыл бұрын

He's a business consultant

@Mr88Andrew88

3 жыл бұрын

@@josem.sanchez6452 you really think so?isn’t he just a fantastic psychologist who’s doin the most?

@EFransen

3 жыл бұрын

I have a graduate degree in Philosophy, and undergrad in History of Ideas. He has it in those fields as well. He is a true philosopher; not in the technical, narrow, academic sense.

He's complete spot-on about industry and large companies.

@TheKlink

6 жыл бұрын

and governments. Aristotle and Leopold Kohr had it right.

@Hoi4o

5 жыл бұрын

In some regards large companies have more bureaucracy than governments. A global corporation with 100 000 employees for example very likely has bigger and heavier bureaucracy than the administration of a city of similar population size.

@imbluz

4 жыл бұрын

I think large and small business owners would benefit from his instruction.

@JO091715

4 жыл бұрын

I wish I took these classes before work!

@lolwtnick4362

4 жыл бұрын

@@imbluz Lol large companies hire consultants all the time especially during growth and down time. a new culture is implemented and productivity increases. but human resources always suffers because its the biggest expense and barriers to change

the amount of things he mentions that he will talk to his students about in the future is staggering; the amount of knowledge and awareness to be able to discuss so many relevant topics in depth and at length... the man's a genius.

@sinisterminister9920

2 жыл бұрын

Fucking legend we must protect this man

School could have been fun if this was the quality of the average teacher.

@scania1982

4 жыл бұрын

What would school cost if this was the average teacher? Even though you understand what JP says, can you apply it and have an employer pay you a salary for it?

@grahamt5924

4 жыл бұрын

@@scania1982 actually with modern technology it's possible to have this. Not in the traditional sense. Every subject can easily be broken down into parts and each part given a recorded lecture or multiple recorded lectures depending on the complexity of the subject. All a student would need to do is follow the course from the begining to the end watching each lecture then completing examples to prove proficiency of the subject. As each part is learnt a test proves complete understanding of each part. This process continues to the end of the course on the subject. With this process any subject could be learnt. Even practical subjects could be learnt this way. Each student could then have the ability to work at their own speed on any subject they choose to learn without teachers. My nephews and niece where home schooled this way as it goes and they all achieved excellent results that enabled university placements without difficult. My sister had the difficulty with two of them wondering how to fill their time after they completed their A levels at 14. They where quite competitive with one another and would race through each set(part) as fast as they could to complete each course. As an example maths is broken into a 150 sets to complete o'level maths and then a further 100 sets to complete A'level maths and this is all done by the equivalent of a KZread video on each part(set), followed by a test on each part(set) to make sure the student understands each section. A student can't moved forward until they have shown proficiency in each section.

@grahamt5924

4 жыл бұрын

Working in the HR department is a practical application of many things he teaches about.

@Balthazar2242

4 жыл бұрын

Lots of teachers are good. I've had a lot of great teachers.

@grahamt5924

4 жыл бұрын

@@Balthazar2242 you where lucky. The standard of my teachers was generally very poor especially at junior school. Slight improvement at senior school with a few of them.

As someone who is a middle level manager for a large corporation this could not be any more spot on...

The company I work for used the Meyers Briggs test on my department to increase our awareness of ourselves and learn to work together better. It accomplished none of that and, as JP said, didn't hurt anyone's feeling. I later read that qualified psychologists consider the Meyers Briggs test to be useless....I had lot of fun doing the test and making jokes with my work mates....and the coffee was good. 😊

@aname4141

4 жыл бұрын

Horatio Jones but it makes people feel good and that’s what counts, right? Right?

@timconjo7412

3 жыл бұрын

I dont understand meyer briggs at all. I was very confused by the tests all the time. When I learned about big five, It made more sense. It took a while to categorize myself, but now I understand my behaviour pretty wel on big five.

@poonoo87

8 ай бұрын

The Myers Briggs system is fine (more so Karl Jung's cognitive functions which it is based off) but the tests themselves are god awful so finding which type you are is hard. And often companies will get people to use online ones like 16 Personalities which is even worse since that is a Big 5 test that takes the traits and applies it to letters which has everyone thinking they are an INJF even though that type is rare. The test is heavily reliant on the person answering being self aware, and a lot of people aren't. The best way to get someone's type is to have someone who is very well versed in the theory to have known you personally, immediate family members are the easiest to type.

Love how this ends, LOL

@rubababdullah2540

5 жыл бұрын

BANG

@Christoffer13

5 жыл бұрын

Especially if it follows by some corny add

@cgasezimmermagan8640

5 жыл бұрын

Really, cuz I hate it, hate that pointless shit like that happens.

@ironichype3278

5 жыл бұрын

Cowboy bebop style

guy is life coach AF

@jacobclark2409

3 жыл бұрын

More than all the self proclaimed gurus and life coaches

@lucasliew1749

3 жыл бұрын

He has the facts to back it up unlike the bs wankers in the market.

@sinisterminister9920

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he is a good man, and even more special is that he has a platform now, he acknowledges how fame ruined his life, but he hasn’t folded under all the pressure… he is indeed doing the Lords work whether he knows/wants too or not. Fucking angel bro

So many people getting his message wrong. He never said the Meyer-Briggs test isn't helpful or informative. He said it is terrible at determining general productivity in an average corporate company. He's not wrong, some people are just drawing their own conclusions about what he literally just said. haha.

@permbee7129

5 жыл бұрын

He has said in other videos that he doesn't think Meyers-Briggs is not so good.

@ClepsidraSideral

5 жыл бұрын

Matthew Harnage I wouldn't take seriously a 'personality' test made a couple of novelists who read Jung. 🙄 The whole thing is flawed.

@ainaakh7050

4 жыл бұрын

Matthew Harnage , he looks like typical INTP to me 🤔

@dr_lubaba

4 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is they're not even psychologists and don't know anything.

@anastasiasovanek8098

3 жыл бұрын

old and not approved by psychometrics. try big 5

I work at Apple. This is EXACTLY how it is.

@tmcleanful

5 жыл бұрын

Apple appears to have some kind of prophet as its leader based on his recent comments.

@thelongslowgoodbye

5 жыл бұрын

So you spend the first 3 years trying to figure out who to talk to and then for the next 2 you're milling around at work like a mindless drone while talking to your colleagues knowing that you have no power within the company for decision making?

@lyncaronson5780

5 жыл бұрын

You’re fired!

@tabaks

5 жыл бұрын

I work at Samsung and it's even worse!

@crazydavec3861

5 жыл бұрын

@@thelongslowgoodbye ... that sounds familiar. I don't do contributions... the people who do contributions are WAY less qualified or able than I am, but they do all the contributions. If I did contributions they wouldn't get used cos the people who do contributions don't allow other people to do contributions. You make enemies if you try to do contributions when you're not allowed, anyway, fuck it, I still get paid the same! There's an easy solution, stir up a load of shit (by trying to actually solve problems), then go work for someone else, on interview claim to have successfully implemented all the shit you weren't allowed to implement, the whole process starts again! .... bollocks to it, I'm off to church, I'm gonna go pretend to believe in a sky fairy so I can join the freemasons! :D

The reason Corporations prefer M-B is not because it isn't accurate, but because it is a reasonable predictor of peace and quiet in the office. Since most employees 'live' their work, that is their work is their life and their 'home life' is subordinate to their 'work life', a higher priority is put on sociability and cooperation than on actual productivity and profit. So ultimately it is a failure of management to focus on performance at all, not their mistaken understanding of M-B.

As a freelance designer, I know this process all to well. You do work with the lowest person on the totem pole for several months, and when you're finally ready to call a product "finished", they say, "oh, let me just show this to the CEO for final approval", and they come back with a dozen notes that change just about everything meaningful you've been working on for the past several months.

Back in the olden days at IBM, nobody had any idea what it took to be a programmer. They hired, for instance, journalists because they could write a meaningful paragraph. Later, they developed the PAT (Programmer Aptitude Test). A scientist at Tj Watson research lab found a negative corrrelation between the test results and how well the interviewees did on the test and their job performance years later. This EXACT same thing has been observed at Google but the interview technique remains.

I like that you link to the original video unlike some of these other Jordan Peterson clip channels. If I like what I hear allows me to get the full scoop. Thank you. Subscribed.

This article should be titled, "So you want to be a social psychologist?"

@mshara1

4 жыл бұрын

Or industrial psychologist.

When presented with a MB test I simply don't fill it in. When the interviewer asks for my response I say I'm the type who doesn't do these tests, make what you wish from that. You might think this is self-sabotage but the first time I did this it led to a long and honest talk with the CEO after which I was offered the job.

@ihalia

5 жыл бұрын

So what was your answer?

@josue24

3 жыл бұрын

What if you’re taking the test online?

@bujnotbooj

3 жыл бұрын

Would also like to know what your answer was.

Productivity of middle management is predominantly judged based on how busy you appear. Busy-bodies (who accomplish almost nothing-possibly negative-nothing-exert a tremendous amount of energy doing so) do best in middle management.

@MuffyMuffins

5 жыл бұрын

That's pretty damned sad

@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564

4 жыл бұрын

I've worked with these kind of people. They walk really fast; to and from their smoke breaks; and the boss sees them walking fast and thinks about how hard working they are. Another example: I walked in on my manager who was looking at half nude male calendar models, on her computer; during work hours.

@Boothy6374

4 жыл бұрын

Teresa Harris that’s Price’s law in action right there

@dariankaltenbach8062

2 жыл бұрын

That's only because upper management is mildly retarded boomers.

This is the most I’ve paid attention in school in my whole life😂 JP has really grabbed my attention and hasn’t let go

I work in this field and every point he raises is spot on.

He made his case and got me hooked in the first 40 seconds. I'm so impressed!

Thanks for uploading this

Jordan Peterson for Governor of the World and leader of truth Warriors in the Milkyway

@tmcleanful

7 жыл бұрын

LOL Amen.

@jameseverett4976

6 жыл бұрын

He actually explains here WHY he would probably NOT be elected. He is explaining why people don't want accurate tests, why they don't want the truth, productivity or efficiency.

@user-is3yn7xr4c

5 жыл бұрын

I would watch THAT Movie

@rsmith155

5 жыл бұрын

He wouldn't go into politics. Party politics requires one to adopt party policies and politics. He wouldn't supplant his values like that.

@heavenlymonkey

4 жыл бұрын

JP wouldn't advocate for world government

Continual mastery and sometimes aggression is needed - Thank Doc!

Jordan is a superb educator.

i like the ending, "BANG"

This is bang on my sales experience!

Love JP. Reckon he had some strong coffee before this lecture though haha

@aname4141

4 жыл бұрын

Ruairidh McMillan I mean, if you’re someone as busy as him at his age, sleep seems more of a privilege rather than a necessity(which is pretty ironic because he’s constantly advising to take care of your sleep cycle

@kevingallagher400

4 жыл бұрын

The man needs to stay up to make people sleep better lol.

@sinisterminister9920

2 жыл бұрын

That and I can see the speed of the gears in his head turning faster than light itsef

The part about large corporations is so accurate

That last bit there I think you catch a glimpse of it in the movie Ford v Ferrari. In it there's a folder that gets passed from one person to another in the same room three times before it's able to go through the doors to the office of Mr. Henry Ford II. The people who passed the folder around probably didn't have any decision-making power, and they will probably talk to you if you ask them to. Matt Damon's character then mentions that little folder must have gone through many floors before it got to the top floor.

Could easily be re-titled “Why you can’t get any job well-suited to your talents despite years of relentlessly trying”. Ironically, the military and many civil service organizations, despite being ostensibly hidebound, bureaucratically-regulated government bodies, actually do way, way better at hiring than most supposedly “dynamic” corporations operating in the domain of free market capitalism, because the former still use well-calibrated aptitude tests as their primary basis for placement and hiring. Odds are very good that your local fire department or police department does a much better job of hiring quality employees than the cubicle farm you work for.

I really enjoyed this one. Here's the thing: I'm 75 years old, and I've had my career, and in this case, he's talking about performance and productivity predictors, and selling systems which measure those things. For once, I know exactly what he's talking about, and I'm comparing it to my own experience in both using those tests and being measured by them, and my own estimates of how useful those things are. And I'm sitting here laughing, because he is just. Precisely. Right. Both in the measurements, and how managers react to using those measurements. Those of you who have had no business experience, but are working to get some, this is something you really, really need to pay attention to.

@cryora

2 жыл бұрын

So JP's Future Authoring Program was basically one of those measurement systems? That's something anyone can get right now.

My company made us all take a Meyers-Briggs assessment about 15 or 20 years ago. It wasn't supposed to predict productivity; it was supposed to help us understand each others' approaches to communication, problem-solving and so on and so would, in theory, enable us to work together better. It didn't do that either. Most of that group had been working together for over a decade and knew each other quite well. For some idiot manager to even imagine a superficial personality assessment could give any further insight was absurd. But I don't think it would have helped any even had that not been the case. So, suppose I'm an INTP and you're an ENTJ. What the hell does that mean when you're developing software, that you should talk to each other differently?

@GabrielDoesTypology

5 жыл бұрын

ChrisC the labels xxxx mean nothing. It’s the functions you want to get a grasp on. John Beebe’s model on this is splendid in that it goes in-depth on understanding (depending on where the function lies) how you think n make decisions.

@oogrooq

5 жыл бұрын

This test is so weird. I Always end up getting a score of FUCK.

@phyrr2

5 жыл бұрын

As usual, the problem is management thinking they have a new magical fix.

@Justin-ko1py

Жыл бұрын

You are an EFFN idiot… stop saying things you don’t understand and identifying yourself as someone you aren’t. Please just don’t do that

Have a decaf😄. Love this ultra dense lecture though. Best professor I've ever come across.

As a salesperson, this guy feels my pain. But... he could have used a different sales technique. This video for example, did a good job of promoting the test.

@gjgoyena

5 жыл бұрын

James Drury - As a sales guy, I would have targeted the CEO first. Not all these gatekeepers. It’s for the overall production of the company.

@marksummers463

3 жыл бұрын

If you get the chance read, The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping, non-obvious stuff!

As usual JBPs analysis is right on the money, exposing the rationale of firms to please all of their staff all of the time, which of course most people know is impossible.

It’s good that the market educates the educators, it allows them to teach better. Jordan is a great guy, he’s learnt a great lesson here. Commercialism isn’t logical it’s commercialism.

Superb bit on statistics 👍

Well, the 2nd half of the video Mr. Peterson is talking about a daily job as a sales-manager. Interesting to see how a master-mind like him is going crazy while talking about his experiences as a sales-man. I appreciate most of Mr. Petersons videos. I really do. This specific video, or better, the second half of it, is just "complaining of the job". So, yes, Mr. Peterson, actually doing something is hard! There are million factors involved and nobody can predict all of them. So, keep on grinding ;-) On the other hand, he is making millions a year, selling his products. So, he is doing something right.

Jordan said he would be releasing a Big Five Personality Test of his own some time in June. :)

@TheKlink

7 жыл бұрын

more like big ten :D

@Leonard-lf5yl

7 жыл бұрын

! please let us know when that comes out

@TheKlink

7 жыл бұрын

let yourself know, bucko; www.understandmyself.com/ I'll show myself oat.

@kickchick1974

7 жыл бұрын

Of your hoose.

@TheKlink

7 жыл бұрын

:D

@5:48 bookmarking for myself. This is gold.

Totally spot on

that was quite a ride

The Briggs-Meyers test sucks because it was used against me... Instead of my superior using it to understand me and help her work with me, she used it to put me down saying that my personality would be an obstacle to my performance as a manager.

Another GREAT resource on the subject is a piece titled The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping non-obvious stuff! Cant'recommend it highly enough!

I learn about 50 interesting facts with each one of Jordan Peterson's youtube videos!

I’ve come across many senior managers who are incompetent. We had a marketing manager who presented a product rekease schedule that bore no relation to reality. Not one release was done. Last I saw he was a marketing director. Actual ability is not that important. I knew one director who was a useless manager. But he flattered the people who mattered. And he took credit for achievements of others. Including me. Politics and impression given matter more than ability.

He describes the company I work for perfectly.

And that was the end of that... BANG.

This man has so much to offer. He just needs to slow down a tad and try not to bounce from one topic to another.

This is the life of software sales and it is so true its almost the best pitch for joining a software company.

Quickest 12 minutes of my life. This guy has brains in his toes.

@jarrodyuki7081

Жыл бұрын

Nope he’s an infj.

One of my favorite course of my Bachelor's degree (Waaayyyy back) was call Industrial Psychology. It had some of the concept that JP is talking about. Cool stuff, but sometime misunderstood or misrepresented.

@marksummers463

3 жыл бұрын

One REALLY good resource on the topic is a piece titled The Hatchet Man's Playbook - a LOT of eye-popping, non-obvious stuff!

He describes the infamous silo problems in large companies. Not just culturally, but the way budgets are assigned, and ignoring largely the interrelationships between departments.

The truth of many successful organizations is that once you're producing a successful product, you can insulate yourself from the regulators (auditors) by filling your organization with idiots. The regulators can't ever figure out what's actually going on if they're only dealing with idiots.

AWESOME nutshell.

Super Sharp!

Anybody got a link for the employee testing company? Used to be on his website, but doesn't seem to be there any more.

the end is good

I think part of it is the Self-sustaining Bureaucracy of any large organization. Here is what I mean. I think for some jobs, the people doing those job know that their job is basically useless, may be counterproductive etc. If you have a test that figures out which jobs are useless etc, then you will have a lot of people out of the job in many large organizations. Especially for some managers, most of the operation is basically running on autopilot and the manager is there for approval purposes.

@orokushi5953

4 жыл бұрын

That could actually have some purpouse. If something goes wrong, the approving manager can lose his head. Unless his subordinates recieve all the blame.

New test, I’ll call it the game theory based test. Brutal!

This has a lot of similarities with the Mises' theorem of economic calculation under socialism, which also applies to companies that grow past a certain point and tend to cause their fall. In general the entire structure of thinking of Dr. Peterson is really close to Austrian Economics and I think he gives another POV to it that enriches the school so much.

The way a large company works you described is so accurate.

I have taken the test twice results were the same except I am a little more introverted now than when I took it 8 years ago both times I was sort of half and half about the extroversion. I'm used to sales and working with the public so I can be very outgoing but to balance that I am more introverted in my personal life.

BANG!!!

been working in high end sales for years, you need to get to the CFO as early as possible. Hit the secretary and include help somewhere in your first sentence. Never give up pushing your project and network as much between the same level of management between companies. Sales isn't order taking.

@briz1965

6 жыл бұрын

had to have a cup of tea to calm down after the HR comment. JP a little naive. The vast majority of hiring for successful companies is by employment agencies. Get your marketing team to build a photo book presentation (like through walmart) of your scheme and get it to them. They live by finding the right persons and have a monetary interest and their sales team will be sharp. Get a decent marketing and sales team together.

Often peer evaluations are but a measure popularity Not productivity... seen that played out

@bujnotbooj

3 жыл бұрын

Very well said.

And I was just thinking what his take would be on this whole mbti thing and KZread be like.." Here you go.. Watch this " 😁

Do you guys know which lecture is this extract from? Would like to take the whole class

I run a small business, where can I buy this test when hiring new staff?

Socionics does work and is a great way to predict performance. Some people just arent cut out for some jobs and socionics can actually predict this.

@arcanewarrior863

3 жыл бұрын

Problem with socionics is it uses Jung's functions and put them in a very rigid structure based on Nietzsche's ideas. Socionics doesn't allow for function loops and completely discounts the shadow integration.

The bit about selling to Enterprise customers is hilarious. Of course it is hard. These are enormously complex organizations rife with conflicting goals and barriers to decision makers. That's why it's a good idea to hire specialist with the requisite knowledge and experience. Consider that they are making the case to prospective customers that they should spend more to make better hires - because doing so will make them more profitable. A bit of additional spending on the right people in this case would likely have made a big difference! (Note: Sales expertise - to get to the right people with the right message. Marketing expertise to craft resonate messages aligned with each influencer and decision maker's local goals)

what does 0.2 mean? please somebody leas me to some info

Corporations, another form of state.

@theelderelk5582

3 жыл бұрын

Corporatism and socialism go hand in hand. One lobbies the other for special benefits, the other gets 'gifts' from the first. The entire idea that they are opposed to each other is a farce

@josephrobertson8660

3 жыл бұрын

@@theelderelk5582 They're just two relatively distinct ways people can exert power over society, corruptly or justly

@theelderelk5582

2 жыл бұрын

@@lifotheparty6195 what do you mean? I almost feel like you're dismissing what I said but don't see how our points of view contradict

that bang!

Jordan. You are the man!! You know your sh1t coz you been out in the real world and you are still strong!! Wow!!

I agree with you Jordan Peterson is way above the average teacher he’s very interesting schools might be lotta fun

This guy is really smart.

you just described the inner workings of the common workplace at a federal job in D.C. to a tee.

What if you don't share results except to higher-ups, like is done with personnel files in the military?

Bang!

Do the test also include ethics & strong moral values?

That ending...

Does anybody know what test hes talking about? I'm curious to research it.

Agile > Waterfall

@jamesrindley6215

5 жыл бұрын

Agile = corporate masturbation.

"I was also curious... because... because I am curious I guess" 4:43

What test is this and where can I get it?

That ending

It seems to me the best measure of the productivity of a manager is the aggregate average of the productivities of those he manages. Obviously, a bad manager will have lower aggregated average, of those he or she manages, than a good manager.

11:54 this just goes from zero to 100 really quick

JBP learns b2b sales. Super fun

The Myers Briggs has zero predictive utility on performance. Remember this

@Zoney06

6 жыл бұрын

The myers briggs shares many similarities with his own personality test, the big five personality traits.

@gringotroller

5 жыл бұрын

Claims require evidence, remember this

@GrubKiller436

5 жыл бұрын

Everyone relatively smart knows this. The test itself never said anything about performance anyway.

@saxachewon8062

5 жыл бұрын

T'was an old username and I'll change it soon. Exactly. It’s a personality test, not a performance test.

@alexios4392

4 жыл бұрын

Agile/Scrum are testing productivity soooo goood

Where is this test

The bureaucracy he mentions in the end is what I deal with daily at my job and makes me insane. Having run a small efficient business and selling it to move into the corporate world is like going from 150 to a school zone in a block.... Then when it cant get any worse, the kid in the wheelchair has to get off the bus infront of you.

holly shit he is on fire

11:50 Wow!!!

Anyone know where to get jordans test?

Welcome to sales.

My friend doesn’t even understand how percentages in general work. I’ll never understand people

@hamayun1112

3 жыл бұрын

might not be really his fault

@shnoogums1

3 жыл бұрын

Hamayun Ahmadi never said it was

So Prof, the problem is with taking test, but not the science ?

I do believe if I had a professor in college like DR. JP, I very well might have stayed in college!?!