This sounds so interesting. I've never read anything by Jordan Peterson, but I enjoy watching some of his videos every now and then. As a person who grew up in a communist society, I have to say that I agree with that quote you mentioned. I grew up in ex Yugoslavia, where communism actually wasn't as bad as it was in some other countries. It was a more socialist than communist society. Then the civil war broke out and the country fell apart. In my 20s I really believed that it was a better society, since I did have a happy childhood before the war and viewed things from a child's perspective. As I was getting older, I began to see how it never really worked and it never will. As an idea, socialism does sound as a fair solution. However, we as people are all deeply flawed to be able to sustain such a utopian way of life. Animal Farm is the perfect example. We are all equal, but some are more equal than others. I began to see the big picture as the years went by. Since this is a booktube video, I'll just give an example from the bookish community. I've seen many booktubers who support socialism, yet they own multiple copies of their favourite books and big shelves with hundreds of books. Now, I don't want to sound judgy. Heck, I have 4 copies of Wuthering Heights myself. I just think people don't fully understand the socialist thought. My point is, that is as far from a socialist way of thought and life as the Earth is from the Andromeda Galaxy. Yes, we had books, however, they were expensive, not so easy to get all the time, books had to get an approval by the state. Having multiple copies of a book and personal libraries would be seen as extravagant and pointless in a socialist society, you'd be judged for that for sure. That is, unless you are a scholar who supports the system or the head of the state. Then you could pretty much get away with anything. I am becoming more conservative as I'm getting older. Maybe it's just because I'm old, I don't know, but I do believe that capitalism is a better solution. Flawed, definitely, but life is not fair and in order to change the world, we must change ourselves first. Socialism (or any other system) doesn't make us better or worse people, we make ourselves better or worse people. Or, in Jordan Peterson's words: clean your own room first, dude. Sorry for the long post. Big like for this series. 😉

@cormyat07

3 жыл бұрын

Your comment should be required reading for all high school students.

The quote was from Winston Churchill. Great video. thank you!

Really looking forward to the rest of this series

@jessehvieira

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah.. I'm curious

Hi I started reading Maps of Meaning and was searching for someone to talk about it. Love your work. Will follow

This is a really great way of revisiting this book :)

I wish I would have the Korean translation of the book. I have learned a lot from your videos. Thanks a lot!

Really liked this video..looking forward for the rest.. thank you

@outofthebex

3 жыл бұрын

More to come!

Excellent content. I just started reading Maps of Meaning, but have been watching the lectures for quite some time! You're right on the mark, JBP has an uncanny way of speaking, and his voice shines through his writing as well. I love that he not only explains something but also, why it is important and how it applies to YOU. It's cool that you get the insight of how he found himself on this journey. "Bereft of solutions, I had at least been granted the gift of a problem." Powerful!

@outofthebex

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! That line has proven itself by sticking with me since I read it. I'm glad to hear you are reading Maps of Meaning as well. I hope to be back to videos soon! I am going to change the titling of this series to organize them by chapter. That way it will be easier to follow along/discuss for anyone else who has a copy. I've got my hands full at the moment with a new little one, but I'll be back soon. Hope to see you on future videos comments :) Thanks for watching!

Before stumbling up on his contents, I was a blind supporter of communism. in history classes, I was very disappointed that my country transitioned from socialism to capitalism. JPB made me realize that I should distiguish between the self-serving element of my revolutionary political fantasy and the real or at least somewhat fanctioning ideas behined every political view. AND it turns out I was just cought by the idea of fixing the source of suffering (others) and that I have lots of things I need to learn before I naively cling to any ideology. Instead, now I choose to be a fool, so that I can learn.

These series are looovely, please make some more videos on these books! :)

@outofthebex

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like them! More to come in the next few weeks. I've just been busy outside with end of season work on our homestead :) looking forward to being back soon!

Somehow found your channel... I wasn't sure what to expect from the thumbnail but I was positively surprised. I actually have Maps of Meaning but I have not read it yet.. Wish I could read along with you! Have you read his other book, "12 Rules for Life"?

I’m very excited to see your thoughts on this book. Very few people have done an in-depth series on it. I think it’s a great book.

@outofthebex

3 жыл бұрын

I hope so too! I'm looking forward to diving back in over the next few weeks (more videos coming then). I've just been occupied here on the farm with the end of season. Looking forward to winter and more time indoors for projects like this :)

I have read that the quote is attributed to Winston Churchill.

Excellent summary.

@outofthebex

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much. :)

I bought the book too! If I am lucky I may follow you on your journey. But by lucky I think I mean smart. Coz this book is heavy in many ways, and my english is not that good.

At the end of this statement I supply methods that may approach a form of the Marx dream. The problem is that Marx was the seed for all these groups that used Socialism or Workers party in their names. They all descended into the most vial forms of suffering hell and mass death ever know in recent history. Marx invented the word” Capitalism” to replace the term” Free Market System. Marx states this in his writings: “Capitalism is the best system for eliminating, poverty, starvation and the creation of wealth for the working class.” The Marx’s dream: His philosophy of history was called "historical materialism" in which his goal was to bring about the end of history, by means of an eventual perfect, classless, utopian society in which people’s needs would be generated by this new system and leading to a life filled with free time, pursuits of leisure activities. Yes, a grand utopia. Sounds good to me a great sales pitch! The problem is humans need positive motivation and competent system to generate even small percentage of "real materialism" required for this utopia. The “Free market system” is indisputably the best method for improving the human condition. Imperfect as it seems. Many of the problems of free market fluctuations are created by the injection of forced utopian laws and socialist control and the creep of leftist wealth redistribution. You may wonder why I injected Mussolini into my video. Mussolini was originally a socialist politician and a journalist at the Avanti! newspaper. In 1912, he became a member of the National Directorate of the Italian Socialist Party (PSI), but was expelled from the PSI for advocating military intervention in World War I. The 1917 Russian revolution was the first large application on Karl Marx’s methods. Most of the men who would become known to the world as the Bolsheviks had little to show for their lives. They had been in and out of prison, constantly under police surveillance, rarely employed. Vladimir Lenin spent most of the decade preceding the revolution drifting between Krakow, Zurich, and London. Joseph Stalin spent those years in the Caucasus, running protection rackets and robbing banks. Leon Trotsky had escaped from Siberian exile. Yes, many Bolsheviks had an exceedingly difficult life and held deep contempt for the ruling class. Bolsheviks purged the ruling class via murder and violence. The seeds of the Marxist revolution started under the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party formed in 1998 The first Bolsheviks started the Russian Soviet Federal Socialist Republic on this wave to the he glory of communism 1917-1924 Historians put the death toll around 10 million people. World history is not a pretty place. If it were not for the ultimate entry of the Americans into Worlds War I and II the compounding death from Totalitarian Socialists and Fascists regimes would have allowed the decline into hell on this planet into at unimaginable realms of death and suffering. Socialism has proven to be a disaster on a large scale and even modern western socialism lite is failing. It is all based on the redistribution of non-existent wealth. I will end with Marx’s dream of an existence free of need for material possessions, free of poverty, envy, and the pursuit of a life of leisure and contentment. Humanity needs the real-life experiences and freedom, to grow, learn, fail, and ultimately succeed in the journeys towards a engrained form human responsibility and large-scale contentment. A good rule of law, a fair free market system and people that learn from their mistakes. Granted this path can seem less appetizing than the instantaneous grab of property, wealth, and power through swift violence. Freedom requires consistent effort and a balanced system that recognizes quickly when any form of power is tilting out of balance. I think it requires a degree of enlightened spirituality tempered with the realities of the human condition and existence. The freedom for people to pursue, fail and learn from the act of doing for yourself and for people you care for. I selfishly put some effort into this. My mind likes this unexplained existence of life and the probability of positive capability of the monkey that got smart! Us Monkey's can do many positive things? We are evolving.

quote winston churchill

@outofthebex

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Jordan Peterson on antidepressants, should have cleaned his room

@michaelmcgee335

2 жыл бұрын

Did anyone claim he is perfect?

Jordan Peterson doesn't actually know what the origin of socialist theory is. He's barely read the original works of Marx & Engels. He prepared for a debate by reading the Communist Manifesto (hardly cracking the surface) for the first time. Real Socialism is worker co-ownership of the means of production. It has nothing to do with nation-state sanctioned economy. It's about decentralizing ownership into the hands of workers so they can also rise up out of poverty. Some companies practice a version of it and do exceptionally well for themselves and their workers. From what I've read, Publix supermarket practices their own version of it by handing the majority of ownership over to long-time committed employees who've worked their way up so that the original owners/family owns about 20% of the company while the rest is in the hands of employees. That's admirable in the face of what we're accustomed to seeing: mostly exploitation and companies now buying back their stocks when they get a tax break instead of re-investing into their employees. Publix is just one example. There are plenty of other cooperatives that are practicing real Marxism all over this world. Power to the people. kzread.info/dash/bejne/fnqtzpKzqpXfodY.html

@tyttiMK

6 ай бұрын

No, socialism is state ownership of the means of production. If workers want to own their own company, they can start one themselves. But socialists don't want that, they want to take the company from its owners and one needs state to allow that to happen, like in the USSR and other socialist dictatorships.