The amount of hate this year is overwhelming.

@KHJvsAL

Ай бұрын

all because of jews

@_Sakidora_

Ай бұрын

Yes, the Jew haters are out in force.

@trildi

Ай бұрын

@@_Sakidora_ No one's a Jew hater. People are against genocide.

@mariyangeorgiev7675

Ай бұрын

@@trildiyou would be surprised but you’re wrong, I even read some Hitler comments 😑

@_Sakidora_

Ай бұрын

@@trildi There is no genocide, except the pogrom that happened on October 7th, when Hamas and its Jew hating supporters declared war on Israel. What there are is civilian casualties as there are in any war. People care about this issue and not Syria or the Chinese persecution of Muslims or any of the many other conflicts with Muslim casualties and oppressed people because they hate Jews. This just the modern manifestation of antisemitism.

Joost has not been arrested, there was no violence and the prosecutor is not in any hurry (could take weeks). Nevertheless, the EBU has both convicted and punished Joost. No more Eurovision for me this year, sadly.

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Poor you

@Demo-critus

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 Poor you too, for another year without a footie prize 😝

@davidcooks2379

Ай бұрын

His behaviour was anti-semitic, not criminal. Hate speech while alliwed on the streets for some reason by the police, is not allowed in many public places

@Demo-critus

Ай бұрын

@@davidcooks2379 You're a bit behind the news. The alleged incident had nothing to do with Israel, but with a rude and egotistic photographer who harassed him.

@johnvanderpol2

Ай бұрын

@@Demo-critus Sadly its all about politics, They were looking or fabricating an excuse to get him out. He was not allowed to win.

Maybe he’s guilty, maybe he’s not. But the way the EBU have handled this year’s contest has been a complete disaster from start to finish. Normally I’d be super excited for the final, but I honestly just want this year to end.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

He is not guilty! They just want to stop Joost and Europapa to win this year. Simple as that! And, you know who would win? Israel! Simple as that!

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

He’s guilty. That’s why he’s been disqualified

@laraodabas5867

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 But how can we know he is guilty? We don't even know what it is about.

@hipotenuza5663

Ай бұрын

The Swedish police knows what happened, we'll know after the court/ trial. No need for details now.

@zickysissypaw2349

Ай бұрын

Same.

What happened to innocent before proven guilty? EBU should have the guts to give transparency on this matter!

@PanthenTiere

Ай бұрын

These comments are so infuriating. This is a rule for a COURT OF LAW. For CRIMINALS specifically. If you want this to apply to Joost, you sure hope for prosecutors to deem him as a criminal. At the end of the day, it is pretty simple: Your house/event, your rules. If somebody insults you in your own home, you do not even need police or a judge to ban them from your house. And let's be clear here, these contestants are hold to a much higher standard. They are not even allowed to use harmless swearwords in their songs. Are we really surprised here? The delegation coming out and saying they feel the decision is "disproportionate" tells me what I need to know for now. Something involving subpar behaviour definitely happened, but they feel it shouldn't have led to disqualification. Listen, mate, I get being angry, the EBU is not known for always making good decisions, but going out and insulting staff members isn't the way to go about things either, even when you are mad about stuff.

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

He’s disobeyed the rules. Simple! We all move on. ITS A BLOODY MUSIC CONTEST!

@MrPerry95

Ай бұрын

@@PanthenTiere There's nothing proven. There's already mentions that the insult was nothing serious. Who knows, maybe this was a woman who just seeks attention... keep in mind that nobody ever has been disqualified.

@PanthenTiere

Ай бұрын

​@@MrPerry95 Unproven in a court of law! The organisers obviously know what they want to know. That's it. And what they deem "not so serious" is not for you or Joost to decide.

@Valkyrie77

Ай бұрын

He *was* innocent until proven guilty. Now you are just mad that he was guilty and won't continue in the contest.

Guilty without trial. Unbelievable.

@Sakis.1974

Ай бұрын

Could you be more dramatic and ridiculous?

@Jatzki

Ай бұрын

This is not a court of law. If the EBU thinks he broke their rules, then he is disqualified. Simple as that. He has signed and agreed to a contract which he apparently broke.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

In our world who is captured and forced with chains. Simple as that!

@thorn8495

Ай бұрын

@@Jatzki”thinks” isn’t that guilty before innocence

@oleggold

Ай бұрын

Maybe he is your Jesus. Go worship him.

I have no words guys. Reminds me of Dutch cyclist Mathieu van der Poel who got accused of assault the night before his big world championship race he was expected to win…. An Australian judge later squashed the conviction, but hey, the race was already lost and his dream was shattered. Poor Joost man… the fact that AVROTROS heavily disagrees is very telling how disproportionate this is

@frailo1765

Ай бұрын

this, its just a tactic nothing more

@ggj1987

Ай бұрын

Wasn’t he the one who was kept awake by 2 teenage girls?

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

He broke the rules! Simple! Move on

@tessa1277

Ай бұрын

@@ggj1987 Yes!

@tessa1277

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 🤓 “haha look guys I’m gonna comment “move on!” under a comment full of upset people to stir the pot and make me feel better about myself hehehe” 🤓 Move on from my comment thanks and bye

Looking forward to the hosts claiming «music brings us together» tonight. That will be particularly shallow this time.

It is frustrating not to know what really happened.

@oclo3844

Ай бұрын

It was nothing huge - Avrotros (Broadcast Netherlands)

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

He broke the rules. Move on. Cancel culture trying yet again to spoil a much loved SONG CONTEST!

@Hammerage1

Ай бұрын

This is speculation, but I assume when stated "it's not that serious" for it to be something like a quarrel that ended with a shove.

@Valkyrie77

Ай бұрын

@@Hammerage1 yeah, it looks like he and a female EBU crew member got into a argument and it end with him hitting her and a camera man.

@rientsdijkstra4266

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 Move yourself on bloke. GTFO💩🤡

Ireland, Greece and Switzerland have not showed up at the Flag Parade nor rehearsals as well

@TheActionTourist

Ай бұрын

?? Fr? Why?

@stefan2796

Ай бұрын

@@TheActionTourist Some israeli thing...(sponsor).

@mysticgirl916

Ай бұрын

Bambie didn't perform in the dress rehearsal proper, but Marina and Nemo both did

I guess Finland was very lucky they didn't win last year...This year seems to be a shit show and totally ruined for many of us, no joy and unity anymore. I feel bad for all of this💔

@scorpio9420

Ай бұрын

I was thinking the same, all the extra security Sweden has to put up with as Israel was allowed to participate this year. All this shit show would have been avoided if that one country was not allowed to participate. Everyone should know by now how powerful sponsors are, Maroccanoil is owned by Israeli and it is one the biggest sponsors in EBU, go figure this.

@nymphithys1558

Ай бұрын

yup, divided by music the new slogan

@Finnishkebab

Ай бұрын

We are relieved. i have notified many finnish friends that are you done with your anger from last year, look what mess we would have take care of if Tampere were the host"

@sandracosta29

Ай бұрын

The Finnish are the real chosen people!!! God loves them!

@oleggold

Ай бұрын

When you have singers like from Greece Holland, Ireland and Norway, not being able to get over their ignorance and take part in the show without hating on other participants, this exactly what happened. Ruined the whole point of the show with their politics.

I can't believe this i'm not even in the mood for Eurovision anymore 💔

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Bye ✋

@adsoyad1812

Ай бұрын

Exactly the same. Year of scandals, bad vibes and discussions

@Jacques.dAnjou

Ай бұрын

Social Media are not helping either

@hysminai7397

Ай бұрын

same

@nymphithys1558

Ай бұрын

I think this killed it for a majority

Joost was in the spotlight. If in a public context, as it has been insinuated, a fight, even verbal, had occurred, I think there would have been thousands of videos and photos to prove it. Instead, there are even fake rumors. It's horrible to throw mud, discredit a person's image, without proof. Very "convenient" for EBU to delete the song that has the most views and streams. ESC: Shame on you!

@Sakis.1974

Ай бұрын

Classic Hypocritical European comment

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

They disqualified Joost and Europapa, because they want to stop the Netherlands to win this year. And, we all know who would really win this 2024. Israel! Welcome to next Eurovision 2025 in Tel Aviv, the Middle East, Asia.

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Oh yes, there is obviously some massive conspiracy because you like the song. Grow up! You really think the EBU would evoke more drama and hate for the fun of it? I feel for everyone involved with trying to make this a wonderful experience. Take you hate somewhere else

@Sojourner777

Ай бұрын

He broke the rules, keep crying 😂

@rougepermanentclair

Ай бұрын

@@Sojourner777 What a comment full of empathy and sensitivity!

Oh bloody hell,that's ruined it for me.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

And even for me too! What a swedish and EBU shame. Eurovision is just a travesty now. Not an European song Contest any more. Shame, shame!

The best thing to do now: Quit that whole circus now and declare Eurovision Song Contest as history and End of Life.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

They want that we start hate our Eurovision. So, do not do that and make a smile of that. Because, I already know who would win to this evening in Malmo. Israel. Simple as that! Israel and corrupt juries of that travesty. I hope they get a good money for that. I really do that!

@oov55

Ай бұрын

Agreed - it was always a heap of shit - now its a political/money-orientated/propaganda orientated/ camp/ amateur/embarrassing/vapid disaster.

@annebokma4637

Ай бұрын

Sue for all the income Europapa generated and damages on top of that. Ebu broke the agreements and punished Joost for it.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

@@annebokma4637 The damage on the top of the Contest is done this year. Nobody would ever again believe the Juries and EBU. Eurosong start become just one European travesty. Not music festival and fair competition of our Continent. Shame for Europa and Sweden!

The joy has slowly been sucked out of the contest this year because of the EBUs decisions, double standards, and hypocrisy (a lot of which could be motivated by the sponsorship money) I can't remember a year when I have been less excited for the show. Absolutely devastated for Joost and The Netherlands.

@adsoyad1812

Ай бұрын

Completely agree

So what has exactly happened? What kind of behaviour he did? It's just an investigation, not the judge verdict. The EBU should allow him to participate and when the verdict came, the EBU could later strip his position.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

The EBU already choose the winner of this year in Malmo - Israel. Simple as that!

@hipotenuza5663

Ай бұрын

Since it's an investigation, they already have evidence, cameras and microphones are everywhere.

@michelleenderink3664

Ай бұрын

I fully agree with you but we need to wait for the police finishing the investigation. It's the rule that details can't be shared while investigating.

@kath5018

Ай бұрын

But we don't know that. Maybe there were witnesses. Maybe he admitted it. Obviously there is a strong evidence. They would not disqualify him without proof

@wsmarczak

Ай бұрын

Disagree. In this world, people are guilty first nowadays.

My congratulations in advance to the winner! I'll read about it tonight/tomorrow but I am not going to watch the show. As someone from Netherlands Eurovision is ruined for me!

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Bye 👋 I’m sorry joost spoilt it for you

@sssyyylllvvviiiiaaa

Ай бұрын

blame joost, he was misbehaving and being rude and now this..... he did this, no one else. I wasn't going to watch because of him and the many other weird acts. eurovision is not about the best song or singer anymore...... joost ruined it for everyone this year, no one else did so blame him.

@BOBBO0117

Ай бұрын

@@sssyyylllvvviiiiaaayou miss. Are a very confused person

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

And for Croatia too. But, not for the false winners of Eurosong, 2024. Simple as that!

@sssyyylllvvviiiiaaa

Ай бұрын

@@BOBBO0117 your reply says all about you and who you are, very disturbt and sad, pathetic

Cornald Maas (Dutch commentator, also involved with the selection of Dutch artists) mentioned the incident wasn’t that bad and disproportionate

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

He would say that you fool

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Oh ok…so no conflict of interest there🤣.

@Jacques.dAnjou

Ай бұрын

Cornald knows Joost and just said “that’s just Joost”

@Patrick.V.

Ай бұрын

What else is he supposed to say? lol

@hipotenuza5663

Ай бұрын

"Wasn't that bad" ,so he admitted he knows about the incident and details.

this is so stupid who ever made this decision should be fired don't think it was that bad I'm sorry to all the Dutch love from croatia ❤️ ♥️ 😔

More than ever, Eurovision needs a win for Croatia 🇭🇷 to put a smile back on people’s faces.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

But, it wouldn't happened this to year 2024. Probably, winner would be Israel and we would got Eurovision 2025 in Asia, the Middle East, Tel Aviv. Simple as that!

@pixility5612

Ай бұрын

Ofc i wanted the Netherlands to win, but now that he's disqualified i'd like ANYONE but israel to win, so i hope croatia will be the one.

@oleggold

Ай бұрын

@@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh Stop your empty threats. You don't want to go somewhere (who didn't even win yet)? Don't go. No one will miss you. It is not that difficult to find 100K people to fill an arena.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

@@oleggold I do not threat to anybody, but they threat to our freedom. Are you too one of them? Because, if you are, i understand that, Mr Gold.

If later on it turns out he is innocent I hope he sues the sh^t out of them. And it has major leg^l consequences for the person that made the fraud^lent claim aiming to remove him from the competition. Apparently the ESC isn't about unifying through music but political m^nipulation through music. Which is the opposite of the ESC was created for.

@Sakis.1974

Ай бұрын

You're just full of hate while not even sure tha the EBU is wrong. You deffend him automatically. If he'll be found guilty - will you apologise?

@seppa193

Ай бұрын

@@Sakis.1974 Innocent until proven guilty. Joost has not be found guilty (yet) so naturally good people stand with the innocent automatically.

@nymphithys1558

Ай бұрын

@@Sakis.1974 if he was guilty of an actual verbal threat he would have been arrested

@michelleenderink3664

Ай бұрын

Why are y^u talk^ng l^ke th^s?

Lets boycot it! Dont watch it or dont vote!

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

I agree! Support! I would do the same like you! Because, that Eurovision would be just a huge travesty. I feel it even now! Be saluted!

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Don’t comment then you hipocrite. Good bye 👋

@sandracosta29

Ай бұрын

I neither watched neither voted. My conscience is clean.

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

@@sandracosta29 That is a truth, Sandra. But, they want that. They want you do not like that European Contest. Be saluted!

@sandracosta29

Ай бұрын

@@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh , the problem is that this show is super expensive. If only a niche pops up, you're gonna end up being bankrupt.

He did this for his parents and now this opportunity has been taken away from him, btw Im a dutchy who know joost for over 5 years

@shaiaxelrud1568

Ай бұрын

No, he threw it away himself. Nobody took anything from him, he hinmself did the job.

@user-xm8sc3wn7n

Ай бұрын

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

@irondasgr

Ай бұрын

My truth: He created a stupid joke song for his parents, intendend as an attention wh0... project in order to seize votes from 15 year olds, he performs it as a clown with a forced sad ending, then he walks in his press conference talking nonsense to the questions posed to him, he dressed up his flag while the Israeli contestant was speaking showing both disrespect to his nation and the fellow artist and the next day he is alleged to have attacked some random member of the crew for unverified reasons... I hope he is really clear but the whole thing doesn't look good.

@mihaelachihai4047

Ай бұрын

​@@shaiaxelrud1568 What did he do? DO YOU KNOW???

@mihaelachihai4047

Ай бұрын

I am shocked and I 😢. I was so waiting for his performance tonight!

Hugs for you Matt

You look forward the whole year to this and then this happens, I am disgusted with the EBU. This is the worst Eurovision edition I think i have ever seen.

@Jacques.dAnjou

Ай бұрын

I think they should rectify, and let Joost (and the Dutch delegation) compete.

Guilty assumed. Until it is investigated, aren’t people supposed to be innocent? This is ridiculous. And there is a double standard…

@oleggold

Ай бұрын

It was investigated. That's why it was decided only today and not yesterday.

Nothing has even been proven

@Dasypodidae45

Ай бұрын

Exactly. This basically means that if you press charges against a candidate they will get disqualified because it can never be resolved in time.

@knijn

Ай бұрын

Something did happen or Joost and AVROTROS (Dutch broadcaster) would have given a response about the incident. But they remain silent for now.

@sportysp

Ай бұрын

If you are a woman working for the organization, you can claim what you want. Out of fear of not doing things correctly, first you punish, then investigate if there is any merrit to the claims. Big fat middlefinger to EBU in this case. At the same time I am mad at Joost for letting himself get distracted from his life goal over something like this

@tillypattiasina9206

Ай бұрын

@@sportysp Joost made a comment that doesn't mean anything to a normal thinking person, but we live in a woke community so you can't say anything else you'll be sued. Today you just have to say your opinion and you'll be fooled by the woke behavior. indicted.

@Dasypodidae45

Ай бұрын

@@knijn avrotros has given a response that they find it disproportional. Cornald Maas has stated that it isnt something serious. So apparently they know what happened or they just heard Joosts story.

Cornant Maas of the Dutch delegation stated that the incident was hardly significant, I am curious to see what the Dutch delegation will do to withdraw or stay.

@cruz1506

Ай бұрын

Hope they withdraw and do a Luxembourg (i.e., don't participate) for at least five years.

I'm furious and devastated.

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

At joost I hope?

@Lara_Irina-hk2uy7cd3m

Ай бұрын

​@@goonerbean4680 Why should we? Facts please.

@eldertstegen4597

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 Get outta here with that loser username. No-one is taking you serious

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

@@Lara_Irina-hk2uy7cd3m you have your facts and you choose not to believe them. He’s broken the rules of his contract obviously.

@nolbol1754

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 do you have any proof?

Oh no...i was really looking forward to his performance tonight😢😢

Some crucial context for international people: work-related intimidation and harassment has been a major topic in NL after scandals that involved high-profile people in the media. AVROTROS would never back Joost this vocally if they weren't sure that the disqualified was unjust.

@Frankie_M

Ай бұрын

Good to know 👏👍

@QueenofKings_22

Ай бұрын

AVROTROS dissagreed with the disqualification and called it disproportional. It was the EBU who disqualified The Netherlands. Not the Avrotros. So what you have written here is not correct.

@rientsdijkstra4266

Ай бұрын

@@QueenofKings_22 Learn to read?

@tape217

Ай бұрын

@@QueenofKings_22 you clearly misunderstood that comment

@sssyyylllvvviiiiaaa

Ай бұрын

happened before, so they do, just recently there was someone who had been misbehaving and they backed him up for a long time but recently found out that it was as bad as the complainers said and now they are like oh we were wrong but we thought it wasn't so bad. the way joost was behaving was now okay, so it wont surprise me if the rumors are true. he is not a noce person and I'm embarrassed that he reprisented my country.

This is a total disgrace a whole country gets punished. I hope other countries will pull out.

@perolagrande

Ай бұрын

So ESC should tolerate bad behaviour, including threatening their staff? The guy's a coward and a thug, and the ESC made the right decision, good on them.

@Timotarius_

Ай бұрын

@@perolagrandeyou’re actually dumb , please educate yourself

@Overwijn01

Ай бұрын

@@perolagrandeinnocent until proven guilty right?? 😒🙄

@user-xv7nb1ic8h

Ай бұрын

@@perolagrande you don't even know what happened and already call him names.........

@knijn

Ай бұрын

Not the whole country. I got exactly what I wanted! The contest is awful and his song was too.

In terms of the music I am sad, that this entry won’t be part of the final. I really liked it and had it as one of my favorites …😢 In terms of the incident…. We have no idea what really happened. If he did something inappropriate, it’s right to disqualify, if he didn’t, it’s a devastating loss and incredible sad for him…. But until we know, I won’t pick any side either. I hope in the future we’ll get more Eurovisions again without those sad surrounding factors … but I guess the world has to get better itself first 🥺

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

I liked your comment until you said , until we know. We do know, he broke the rules and has been disqualified. That’s it

@lemasander4932

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 well, I didn’t hear yet what exactly he had done, so from my point of view it still stands. It will probably change once I (personally) have read more information about it. 😉 but until then (yes I use the phrase again!), I’ll stand by my words🌸

I m devasting..they broke my eurovision heart. It s over for me now

@d0opify

Ай бұрын

he did it to himself, sadly he was my favorite

@nirshubeli39

Ай бұрын

You should blame the moron- yoost

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

They are just the bunch of corrupt morons. Especially the Juries who destroyed winning of real winner of 2023. Same would be even this year. But, do not despair. Is not a problem of Joost Klein or you, or me. They are a problem of Eurovision, Europa and Europapa. Even they are a problem of all world. Simple as that!

And the Germans be like: "Ohne Holland fahr'n wir zum Grand Prix..." In all seriousness, though, I hope the EBU will be transparent about what they consider "inappropriate" behaviour after the grand final is over. I get they don't want to distract from the show "before the party is over". But transparency is ultimately the only way to go here: Either, it was something obvious that clearly warrants disqualification (i.e., on which most fans will agree once they find out); or it's something that's much more up for debate, and in that case, that debate must be had. The EBU have already been accused in the past of having somewhat arbitrary standards with regards to what they consider in line with the contest rules and what they don't.

@lionnelpapon9993

Ай бұрын

cela va changer le résultat ! bien sur

@nickdentoom1173

Ай бұрын

The problem is that this is already blowing up in EBU's faces though. Like... i am 100% convinced that while EBU said not to vote for Europapa, a lot of people are gonna vote on it anyways out of protest.

@johnvanderpol2

Ай бұрын

@@nickdentoom1173 They made it impossible to vote on him. Joost was not allowed to win after he made comments on the Israeli participant. When you have a scandal you don't want the truth to come out.

@nickdentoom1173

Ай бұрын

@@johnvanderpol2 Trust me, the truth is gonna come out if Joost is gonna get deemed not guilty. Then the EBU has a massive problem on its hands, since then the disqualifictation of Joost is illegal, which means Eurovision 2024 results cannot count.

I would like to know what the woman said or did to Joost. The Dutch delegation says that there is not much to worry about. they are against the exclusion of the Netherlands from Eurovision participation. why is the EBU not open about this.

@Birgitta98

Ай бұрын

She appearently asked him “hey where are your parents?”

@johnvanderwillik967

Ай бұрын

@@Birgitta98 Then we have to stop ESC. It is also becoming more and more a political game. if your country is at war we will suddenly vote for them because it is pathetic.

@patrickvdh8606

Ай бұрын

@@Birgitta98 Such a question can be asked in a variety of tones from genuine wondering to mockingly. So it doesn't add to much information.

@dennisdebruijn7001

Ай бұрын

He was to difficult, and had to go. Shouting " assaulted a female" is the way to go. You will see nothing much happend. But then the news cycle about ESF is moved on. So this is a PR / marketing stategy from the EBU

@johnvanderwillik967

Ай бұрын

@@dennisdebruijn7001 If it's a strategy issue because they want to get rid of him, then I'll never watch again. Drastic measures will have to be taken to keep ESC fair and fun for the future

Thank you Matt for your sincere explanation😢😢

The cancellation culture is out there. As well as the vitimization culture...

@Sakis.1974

Ай бұрын

Empty words. What are you saying? Without slogans

The Dutch broadcaster is angry with the decision of the Eurovision Song Contest organization EBU. "AVROTROS finds the disqualification disproportionate and is shocked by the decision. We deeply regret it and will come back to it later," says AVROTROS director Taco Zimmerman. EBU made the decision due to a complaint against the artist. But the incident for which Joost Klein was disqualified 'is hardly anything', says Cornald Maas, who is a member of the Dutch selection committee.

Appreciate they have legal obligations but you cant put out an announcement like that without providing some more context for people. Otherwise people will just fill in the gaps with their own conclusions which is equally damaging to all.

@AleksFolk1

Ай бұрын

Exactly. There’s already speculation as to what has happened and without going into detail they’re allowing those theories to keep being thrown around. Anything they come out with now is just going to be an excuse for the sake of giving an excuse.

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

They have. He broke the rules and is disqualified

@jimw859

Ай бұрын

In fairness to them (something I thought I'd never say about the EBU) they probably have to careful about mentioning details of the event in case there is a legal case taken.

@jconn664

Ай бұрын

what rules did he break ? ​@@goonerbean4680

@user-to1ef7yy6p

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 you sound like a broken record by now

While we don't know all the details, I disapprove of how the EBU is handling this. If it is certain what he did, tell us exactly what happened so we can understand the seriousness of it. If it is still under investigation though, let him perform. If later he is found prosecuted and found guilty, take away his placement and disqualify him after the fact. To disqualify before without concrete ruling feels out of place and disproportionate. The EBU needs to either communicate clearly or let him perform. Or this will just leave a sour taste on top of everything else. Side note, I feel sadden by this because a lot of my non-esc bubble friends are experiencing Eurovision for their first time this year and I feel terrible for bringing them in in a year where everything is a mess. This sucks the joy out of Eurovision for me...

Its very sad - i hope justice is served. If Joost is found innocent i hope he returns next year. I think he is by the sound of it. I find it hard not to see a connection - he calls out Eden and the very next day when hes on before her this happens. It may be totally unconected but i find that hard to believe.

@luisdireito

Ай бұрын

Not everything is about Israel. Joost's demeanor in the press conference after the second semifinal was very telling of his character. And I'm not talking about the "Why not?" thing only.

@sjoerdderks4731

Ай бұрын

It was unconnected, the interview along with Israël was just an akward moment.

What a terrible situation.😢

So infuriatingly disproportional. Especially when isreal delegation was allowed to harrass so many of the other contestants. And not even to mention the horrible acts the country has been committing.

@ygb6586

Ай бұрын

I never saw any harassment by the Israeli delegation, do you have sources?

@liatkogon6277

Ай бұрын

It's all lies. Truth will win

@kevinensio_mom

Ай бұрын

Spain has been complaining to EBU​@@ygb6586

@MsSarit2311

Ай бұрын

This is all a lie . Israel is not involved.

@Sakis.1974

Ай бұрын

Putin.. is this you lying again?

It is interesting that AVROTROS put out this statement because broadcasters are normally very cautious about putting themselves in a bad light concerning matters like this. They could have made it quite neutral and bland about being disappointed not to participate but they chose to criticise the decision. We definitely haven't heard the end of this.

@Jacques.dAnjou

Ай бұрын

Just FYI, avrotros is a sinking ship as we speak, this could be the nail in their coffin

@jimw859

Ай бұрын

@Jacques.dAnjou Fair enough. I don't know anything about the Dutch media landscape. It's still interesting that they chose to criticise the decision publicly rather than keep it behind closed doors.

@Jacques.dAnjou

Ай бұрын

@@jimw859 I agree

@Valkyrie77

Ай бұрын

@@jimw859 well, they selected the guy and will of course defend and downplay everything.

@reprobert

Ай бұрын

​@@Valkyrie77 that's not how it works. De avrotros is a broadcaster that is funded with government money, the peoples taxes. Saying this and it turns out to be a lot worse than we thought is the nail in the coffin for the avrotros. They know more than you and me of course. The fact that the ebu statement is also very vague says a lot..

Thanks Matt for the update x

This year (in combination with the decision to exclude Russia from the competition in 2022) has highlighted that EBU needs to reflect on why a country or performer would be prevented from appearing. The argument that it's just about individual competitors, not states, kinda works for allowing an Israeli competitor this and some sort of action re. Joost (maybe not total disqualification)... But then it negates excluding Russia from the competition. And if the justification there is about military action within the Eurovision "family" of countries - what about the conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia? It just feels so inconsistent and frustrating.

@swatkabombonica4103

Ай бұрын

Think Belarusians are also banned for not imposing sanctions on Rus, and not denouncing them. All of that is so normal for a "song contes" :) but it was like that for decades

Mmh. For a contest that should unite us... We all couldn't be further divided. As Joost said "No matter who you are, no matter where you come from, there's only this moment, so lets come together."

Thank you Matt for your honest and clear words. Its devastating for us dutchies. I wont watch this nite broadcast. Catch on later online 2mrrw.

Justice for Joost 🇳🇱

@evatrulsson

Ай бұрын

Justice for the women

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

Justice and victory for Joost Klein and the Netherlands. And for Europa, of course. Because, that is not Eurovision of European people any more. That is just a corrupt travesty in Malmo. Congratulations to Sweden! You ruined the show!

Being from the Netherlands myself I cannot imagine that the EBU will take such a decision lightly, so something must have happened something rather serious there. I am looking forward to the explanation that will be given at a certain time, as the public deserves to know the reasons behind such a drastic measure.

@rientsdijkstra4266

Ай бұрын

The question is WHAT has happend? Did someone sucker Joost Klein into something? Or did he really do something that can not be tollerated? The problem is whe don't KNOW.

@camelliam.4235

Ай бұрын

@@rientsdijkstra4266 I paid attention to one detail. In an interview he defined himself as "crazy". Well, crazy people do crazy things, right?

@heinmolenaar6750

Ай бұрын

Hij zou ook gezegd hebben tegen die cameravrouw, als je t weer doet sla ik je.

Eurovision has never truly been about music. We had MTV for that ✌️

There have been disqualifications in the past, but never because of the artist's behaviour - always because of the broadcasters: Romania was expelled in 2016 for not paying their debts, but they returned the year afterwards right away - Ovidiu Anton was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. With Belarus, it was ultimately the broadcaster, too. And had Israel been disqualified this year, it would have been because of the broadcaster insisting on using the original lyrics for "October Rain". The closest artists got to getting disqualified was probably Denmark's "I wanna f you" during the voting in 2011; Iveta Mukuchyan waving the Artsakh flag in the greenroom in 2016; and, of course, the allegations towards Måneskin for "holding their noses too close to the table" during the final, which turned out to be null and void. Btw, I really think Måneskin should use this year's opportunity to do a (possibly English or Italian) cover of "(nendest) narkootikumidest ei tea me (küll) midagi"... 😅

This is insanity

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Why?

@DaliborPerkovic-sw8mh

Ай бұрын

They lost own brains! Simple as that!

Congratulations to EBU, you can breathe sigh of relief and handle the win to your bloody fave

@nirshubeli39

Ай бұрын

You are outrageous, but as usual blame the wrong guy. You should blame the moron yoost not the ebu. As you should have blame hamas, not israel.

@Jacques.dAnjou

Ай бұрын

LOL

@JazzualSuspects

Ай бұрын

Drink all the copium you want, no way in a 100 years this clown could have won the final.

@Jatzki

Ай бұрын

Why would EBU want to dq Joost for no reason? The song isn't offensive to anyone. And I doubt EBU has a fave

@nonameface90

Ай бұрын

@@Jatzki I'm sorry, but go be naive elsewhere :)

EBU is taking care of destroying the Eurovision Song Contest themselves. And they are doing a brilliant job at it. 😡

The absolute dumpster fire that this years contest has become…. EBU throwing the rules in a bucket and plucking out random ones to follow and break. Righto 👌🏻

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Haha are you 12? 8? Pre pubescent? Breaking rules should be allowed now?

@SuperTay1234

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 No. I’m a fully grown adult pointing out the hypocrisy of the EBU. Simple.

"The issue is being investigated..." And strangely, there is no footage?

i could not be more upset and disgusted with the EBU

How they can disqualified him without proves? EBU should have approved him to participate at the final and after the investigation to decide what to do with him score.

@Sakis.1974

Ай бұрын

And you know they haven't a proof? You just want to exonerate him no matter what. You'll defend a killer if it's up to your agenda

@michelleenderink3664

Ай бұрын

Yeah it's weird that EBU do all these things without even sharing what actually happened

He's being investigated about charges brought against him. EBU doesn't allow an entrant undergoing a criminal investigation to compete. What's difficult to understand about that?

Thx for your commentary. I’m really shocked. Slimane broke off his performance and Silvestras left the stage after the performance crying… it’s getting to the artists.

I’m not watching today! Politics of EBU is going really wrong way. Still going to vote for Lasagna ❤, for that I do not need to see this

Yet they are doing nothing for Israel.. this is messed up..

We do need to be careful what we say, the facts may come out but we don’t know what was said. For a complaint to be raised by a person the words said must of crossed a line. There are no winners here all parties, fans, family are reeling from this news. I hope that Joost is surrounded by the right ppl and getting support.

@martinawouda9767

Ай бұрын

And we don't know what was said to Joost, I think it must have been very provocing, other Joost would not have been reacting

@katiemacaulay6819

Ай бұрын

@@martinawouda9767 indeed this is why its important not to post anything that is libellous.

Everybody is talking about Joost, but remember its always action-reaction, we don't know what that woman have said to Joost, I mean you don't threatened a woman out off nowhere

I would be interested to hear Joost's version of the story, because the EBU has not given me any reason to believe any f'ing word they say.

@michelleenderink3664

Ай бұрын

Me too. But sad knowing that allegedly Joost removed Eurovision content and updates on his social media.

@johndoe-yw7eb

Ай бұрын

@@michelleenderink3664 But can't blame him for not wanting to do anything to further promote this shitshow.

I'm glad i live in the Netherlands and not in Sweden

I just want contest to be over and move to 2025. Worst Eurovision ever.

It’s called lawfare.

It's a nasty political game guys! They new he made a big chance to win 🏆 For the Netherlands he will be always The Winner! Let karma do his work 👈

My question is how reliable and truthful was the crew member that reported this incident. This could have been an act to remove the proposed fan favorite.

Except for one i feel so bad for the other contestants, they have worked so hard to get here. I hope the truth will come out. Some organisations use these tactics and doing it to him would be sure to divert the attention. But they have no clue just how much it will backfire if it turns out to be this. But, if it was just innocent people who got hurt or threatened by Joost then absolutely there should be consequences. The only way to know is to find out what really happened.

The Dutch Broadcaster in saying the action taken was disproportionate is already admitting that he was guilty of something. For us who saw Joost's bad attitude during the press conference can only send our regards to the otherwise beautiful country of The Netherlands.

So sad , its a shame

Eurovision is no place for harassment of any kind.....

@elsacristina9

Ай бұрын

are you talking about the Israel delegation right? that is constantly harassing every delegation that don't kiss their asses. It was Dutch delegation and Greece yesterday, today was ireland with some disgusting comments, because she had the nerve to say her opinion. But they can do that. God forbids someone speaks their minds about the genocide delegation.

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

Get a life

@Pandarah

Ай бұрын

Agreed. But so far it's nothing more than an allegation, that shouldn't be enough to disqualify him. Innocent until proven guilty right?

@vidveles

Ай бұрын

@@goonerbean4680 the rules are the rules

@seppa193

Ай бұрын

@@vidveles befehl ist befehl right?

Joost is very popular in Gaza. They already invited him to celebrate the holyfay of Nakba. Congratulation!

According to EBU a genocide does not prevent u from participating but an “incident “ does

@gidi-yo

Ай бұрын

I don’t think Eden performed any genocide backstage. But if you have suspicions file a complaint.

@scorpio9420

Ай бұрын

@@gidi-yo You are obviously missing the point here.

@gidi-yo

Ай бұрын

@@scorpio9420 Oh, I’m pretty sure I got the point just right.

Guilty till proven innocent. Wow.

In other words WHAT HAPPENED ?

How is it double standards? Eden did not behave inappropriately or did anything to justify disqualification or any of the madness and hatred she's received!

as a dutch person i heard in our news that this employee of eurovision had made insulting remarks on the deceased parents of joost klein, and that's the reason he got angry(wich i completely understand, having lost my mother recently)

@oleggold

Ай бұрын

It what universe would a person do that? It is a very convenient argument to make. Some random person hating on someone like that, doesn't sound plausible at all.

@heinmolenaar6750

Ай бұрын

Daar geloof ik niets van

WHAT EXACTLYHAPPENED??

It just sucks that no one seems the actually know what happened. We all know the Dutch are the most direct and vocal people in Europe, but to suspend them that means it had to be quite serious, if it's not then the EBU will have shot themselves heavily in the foot. I do hate the era we live in, where intolerance and polarization is the central point of attention. I love Eurovision, but no one wants this crap.

@Lovelugo

Ай бұрын

Cornald Maas said it was no big deal what Joost did

@michelleenderink3664

Ай бұрын

I agree. Reading all the comments of what Joost potentially did, it's just frustrating. I want to see the facts. And not people overexaggerating about the whole situation

Appreciate all your team’s efforts this year,but will probably not watch any more Eurovision this year. What a mess. Just too much controversy.

To much noise this year. Feel sorry for the other countries that are just there to have a good time

This is unfair..

What will happen if later it turns out he is innocent? I hope the Netherlands will not give points to night.

@nymphithys1558

Ай бұрын

sadly they will :( kinda angry about that tbh. we should boycott that shit too

@FraiseOsucre1

Ай бұрын

If they disqualify him they are surely evidences and witnesses. 🙄

@bertoverweel6588

Ай бұрын

@@FraiseOsucre1 Such as?

@goonerbean4680

Ай бұрын

@@bertoverweel6588 shut up you child

Participating artists should have the right to withdraw from the ESC at this time if they are not sure whether the path the EBU are taking is the way to go.

I want them to be transparent about the inappropriate behaviour. That covers large subjects. The Dutch people have always been so accepting, inclusive & open minded. I love you all x

Has there been a statement from SVT about this if it’s a member of SVT?

You're right to urge caution Matt. We'd all look very silly jumping to take sides if it emerges something really serious occurred. The Dutch delegation say "disproportionate" but that does concede that there was an incident. Let's hope we soon get clarification.

#outrageous

💔💔💔

Dutch: "Banned!" Russia: "Banned!" Israel: Killed 40k people "Umm it's ok friend!" 😃

This is great news for the direct opponents in the singing competition. Another advantage is that the Eurovision Song Contest lasts +/- 5 minutes shorter.

So that's 'Guilty untill proven innocent' ... 🙄

@Sakis.1974

Ай бұрын

What do you know about this?

Clarification: Eurovision stated on their site that Israel has NOTHING to do with the so called 'incident'. We can't jump into conclusions and fight for who's right or wrong. Just let's wait for the details. We all know this is overwhelming but it's not important to take it so personal.

In the official statement it was said that he made a threatening gesture but no actual contact was made. EBU added that it has a zero tolerance attitude to such behaviour. You have to be so careful now. I'm sure he meant no malice but what a stupid thing to do. I hope he's being supported because he must be absolutely distraught.

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