It's crazy how neglected Jon was treated by her. Ned somewhat too as he didn't make her stop mistreating Jon. Yet, after all that, Jon still loved all his siblings. He would protect them with his life. He even said he WANTED a reason to hate Rob, but he never could. He's such a kind guy.

@wahyuagengrahino

Жыл бұрын

😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥

@StuUngar

Жыл бұрын

I think Ned was so petrified of anyone finding out Jon was the son of Prince Raegar and oldest living Targaryen and heir to the Throne that he allowed Catelyn to continue as it added subterfuge. But I also think he felt guilty for pushing that on her and making her believe that lie. Edit: Viserys was the oldest Targaryen left alive.

@PercivalC

Жыл бұрын

@@StuUngar Yeah exactly, Ned's silence was necessary for keeping Jon alive. It was a sacrifice he had to make in order to preserve his nephew's life.

@cain7925

Жыл бұрын

if ned became too protective to jon people will question it. in these time bastard are abomination

@muffingfx

Жыл бұрын

I think you're being too harsh on Catelyn. She hasn't really mistreated Jon besides what she said to him when Bran fell, but even then she wasn't in a normal state of mind in a mix of fear, panic and grief as she was literally cut bone deep by Valyrian steel. If I'm going to be honest anyway, as much as I love Jon, Catelyn had no reason to care for him in the first place. A child that wasn't hers, potentially the only stain on their marriage to her knowledge, why would she care for Jon? The only reason I could see was that the Stark kids were close to him and the Ned (yes, the Ned) kept him tightly around him

Despite how hateful she was with him, he never hated her....this says a lot about Jon!

@lies9029

Жыл бұрын

Because she wasn’t hateful towards him she just never cared about him at least in the books

@nahlataha1744

10 ай бұрын

@@lies9029In the books she straight up told Jon it should have been you to fall from that tower.

@charlee5599

9 ай бұрын

No the books Jon fked her

@anonymousman4419

9 ай бұрын

​@@nahlataha1744 Exactly. She called him by his name for the first time to tell him she wished it were him who fell instead of Bran. I'm not sure how Jon ignored that like a champ.

@nahlataha1744

9 ай бұрын

@@anonymousman4419 any normal 14 year old would have burst out crying. The fact that he didn’t is a damn miracle.

Shame that even after promising to love Jon if he lived through the pox, she didn't fullfil that promise of treating him fairly. Catelyn is a great character and mother (to her real children), but at the same time I like how she is flawed just like any human being.

@filmyflix

Жыл бұрын

It's the Human Behaviour,but still she didn't let the child die.

@ecard98

Жыл бұрын

Lyanna Stark to Catelyn in afterlife... So you have a problem with my son bitch?

@xanderfulton3186

Жыл бұрын

She’s a mother bear, she doesn’t care much for the others.

@TyTimeIsAwesome

Жыл бұрын

@@xanderfulton3186 :(

@rachelasf2125

Жыл бұрын

I hated her and thought she was an evil bitch myself

Tyrion told Jon to wear the title of a Bastard as an armor, that way no one could hurt him But the way Catelyn looks at Jon? No man can make a weapon more hurtful than those eyes

@peteloga9965

Жыл бұрын

And thats why him going to the wall was the best thing for him. To own his title and not let him hurt him one bit. He was a proud snow. It still hurt tyrion when his father or sister would mention his dwarfism, but not Jon. He grew up and learned from peoples mistakes, he was on even ground at the wall and earned respect. Catelyn was wrong, but it resulted in the Current King Of The North( we dont count season 7&8)

If only people like Catelyn, Aemon or Allister Thorne knew who Jon really was

@Igothemunchies

Жыл бұрын

Thorne would’ve worshipped him man , aemon would feel relief, catelyn would feel like an idiot

@azulchamoy

Жыл бұрын

@@Igothemunchiesi still have no idea why ned didnt tell her. she went to her grave thinking her husband was unfaithful

@jjh2456

Жыл бұрын

I think Aemon knew. He just couldn’t say anything.

@prof1185

Жыл бұрын

@@azulchamoy people finding out that Jon was the son of Rhaegar would have put a target on his back , claiming Jon was just Neds bastard that he brought home from war didnt raise suspicion

@lrlavalais2068

Жыл бұрын

​@@azulchamoyCatelyn would have given Jon up eventually and Ned knew this. The only other person whom I think knew of his heritage is his uncle.

It’s pretty incredible to go back and rewatch these scenes knowing the second time through that when Jon walks in on Catlyn making the dreamcatcher thing that the last time she made one was for him…Michelle Fairley really knocked it put of the park with all the emotions she conveyed simultaneously For all its flaws later, it’s easy to remember why this show was so beloved when it began

@saltmerchant749

Жыл бұрын

With how good Michelle was, it absolutely kills me that we never got Lady Stoneheart.

@Carliethemelon

29 күн бұрын

@@saltmerchant749 She's such a great actress, she would've killed as Lady Stoneheart

Man Caitlyn was pretty awful even by game of thrones standards. She's actually worse to jon in the books and actually tells him "i wish it was you fell from the tower". Rationally if she was angry about a child that wasn't hers she would be treating Ned that way. Jon is quite literally the poster child for " sorry for being born, my bad"

@fatmasibai4292

Жыл бұрын

indeed ,it's weird that she managed to forgive her husband, who is the guilty one of fathering a child from another woman, but pours all her hatred on the innocent child

@martinorrego5807

Жыл бұрын

She was lashing out at everyone in that moment. It wasn't just with Jon. He also treated Luwin the same way. And she was not angry to the fact that Ned fathered a bastard. What made her mad was the fact that Ned took the child North, when she arrived at Winterfell with Robb, Jon was already established there with her wet nurse.

@bearholdensharkslux4791

Жыл бұрын

@@fatmasibai4292 she understands that many men has bastards and it's common but she was always told "Ned Stark isn't like most men" and to have the living embodiment of her husband's infidelity around her is harsh. Plus Jon is described to have the stark features while Robb, Sansa and Bran had the auburn hair and Tully features

@MatthewCaruso-ky4uz

Жыл бұрын

she wasnt perfect but still a good character

@robbiepluta1358

Жыл бұрын

Catelyn was pretty terrible to Jon (and even she admits as such to Talisa) but she's a saint by Game of Thrones standards. Cersei (in the show) has all of Robert's bastards killed, and in the books, Catelyn's own father makes Lysa take an abortifacient after Baelish gets her pregnant (despite her wanting to keep the baby). And most noble men would not 'dishonor' their wife by keeping their bastard in their own house and raising him with his other children.

It's sad that their relationship is similar to how bastards suffer in real life, blamed for the sins of their parents, maybe more than their parents are blamed

@wymg4480

Жыл бұрын

in all honesty jon was a lucky bastard. born to a noble house with an honorable family stark. Everyone but Sansa and Catlyn was good to him. All his brothers, Arya and Nrd treated him like family even if he was a Snow.

@MegaKnight2012

Жыл бұрын

@@wymg4480 Very true, but the lack of love from a parent can be extremely damaging. If he was just part of a lesser family, Catelyn's treatment would have been even harsher

@wymg4480

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaKnight2012 yeah i mean no doubt his life was still hard. seeing his other siblings gettin the love that he couldnt and not even knowing his real mother. Tyrion and him rly are similar. Both are "undesirable" to their family but luckily, they were born to great houses and fathers that didnt abandon them. Ned did so out of honor, love and duty to his sister. While Tywin, even with all his hate towards Tyrion, did so out of duty to the family and maybe even to his wife who died giving birth to Tyrion. They had tough lives but definitely wouldve been far worse if they were lesser houses or even commoners. Hell, Tyrion probably wouldve been killed off at infancy.

@MegaKnight2012

Жыл бұрын

@@wymg4480 The morals of their fathers is extremely important. Jon has become a moral man, looking for peace and willing to sacrifice himself for others. Martin describes Tyrion as a villain, with Tyrion emulating crueler sides like his father.

@IRLKhaha

Жыл бұрын

I'm a dirty bastard and I've lived a normal struggling American life, not cause of being a bastard but being an American in these times

Catelyn Stark sure did raise great warriors of her sons and daughters.

@filmyflix

Жыл бұрын

For sure..

@TheDeerHunter582

Жыл бұрын

Her daughters are whores & brainless like Her. Especially Sansa. Stark Women are the worst charachters in all novels. Far worse from Jofrey, Cersei, Hightowers & All others Combined. I like the Red Wedding cause Catelyn died. But I would liked it more if Sansa was in the place of Robb.

@leman7648

2 ай бұрын

Incorrect she is not Stark, as Sansa. They made a lot of damage to house of Stark.

She died never knowing his true identity 🤧

@Entertainment-do1bp

Жыл бұрын

May she will meet jon in the books

@FLAMM3NW3RF

Жыл бұрын

I mean so did Jon

@jimmykray9583

7 ай бұрын

She will know in the books

@oolooo

4 ай бұрын

Yes , as son of Ashara .

@based-ys9um

Ай бұрын

​@@jimmykray9583what books ?

Crazy how Ned let Cat treat Jon like that. Bastard or not. Cat was out of line

@rickDArula

3 ай бұрын

The secret was too big to let out. But I agree that he should have told her to treat him better.

"I wish you fell out of that tower" With that line Catelyn went to far in the books

Tbh, Ned not telling Cat was a good move. Even if Cat could keep a secret, it is likely someone else could have found out & snitched. Plus, given the Stark's high status, it would've only drawn more attention to them.

@jamese5936

Жыл бұрын

No doubt.

Catelyn doesn’t hate Jon because he was a bastard she hates him because of her inability to love him which is so so sad

the woman who almost destroyed a family with a thousand year worth of legacy and the man who saved it.

People try so hard not to love, they just keep pushing the wrong way.

in the books she doesnt like him because he looks ned more then her children

@bigdragon8me

4 ай бұрын

I need

Poor Jon he must've lived a terrible life growing up💔😩 Only if cat knew the truth that hes lyanna and rhaegar's child maybe she would've handled him with care and love

@BlackwoodSupremacy

Жыл бұрын

Nah, she would have snitched the second someone made fun of her about Ned cheating on her

@hghost08

Жыл бұрын

He didn’t have a horrible life, he had a life that he’ll always ask why!? Growing up a step child, you learn to adapt

I wonder how Catelyn would have handled things if she knew the truth.

@maseratijae587

Ай бұрын

She wouldve done something stupid Like tell little finger

Why play the background music so loud to the point that you can't hear what's being said.

Re-watching these scenes after knowing the ending made me feel anger on behalf of Jon AND Catelyn, because there's no doubt that if she knew the truth she would loved and protected Jon like one of her own children. Catelyn's treatment of Jon was terrible (and she even admits as such), but Ned lying to both of them for their entire lives and allowing them to go on resenting each other is the one stain against his honor. Catelyn was unwaveringly loyal to Ned for their entire marriage, there's no indication in her character that she would have ever leaked Jon's secret and was smart enough to know how to protect him. But Ned's paranoia prevented Jon from having a mother and Catelyn from having a relationship with her nephew - it's tragic all around.

@lordalessan

11 ай бұрын

Ned was suffering too, it's even surprising how he managed to maintain his honorable reputation after all that. It really showed how he deeply cared for his sister and the her dying promise. Jon's parentage was too risky. Imagine if he told Catelyn and she told Lysa and Lysa told Littlefinger. Jon would've been murdered.

I find it funny how the term 'bastard' has changed over time. It meant one thing thousands of years ago and now it means something else entirely. I suppose it doesn't change when it comes to those ancient texts considering those laws will be relevant again.

@g0oberdm417

Жыл бұрын

Pretty sure its remained in meaning for at least 700 odd years, not sure what you mean man (meaning illegitimate child and used as a derogatory term)

@Cuttingtorch

Жыл бұрын

@@g0oberdm417 Open a Strong's Concordance or check the multiple definitions online. Like I said, it had a different meaning when the most ancient texts were written. Changing the definitions of words is never an accident or organic.

@g0oberdm417

Жыл бұрын

@@Cuttingtorch Tbf its gone from a more generalised term (illegitimate meaning not lawful including resulting from incest) to more specifically referring to out of wedlock. I wouldn't say that's a stark change tbh

@KurasakiBleachigo1

Жыл бұрын

@@g0oberdm417 you're an idiot. Bastard now means asshole, thats what he's getting at

@josephstalin2606

Жыл бұрын

It means the same as it did back then, it’s just that it’s also used as a meaningless insult as most other cuss words are now. Bastard always meant illegitimate kids aka born out of wedlock

Jon was a real prince he was noble, strong and brave. Cately Stark was just a selfish spoiled woman. She only cared her own children and power. There was not even one single right decision she made. She deserved how she was ended up but Jon did not deserve. Whenever l see a video of this series damn l hate how it ended!

As much as Ned loved his wife and trusted her, there was one secret he did not tell her. Better he didn't, it was something she could use against him.

@fr0ntend

Жыл бұрын

Catelyn is an idiot. She set the Kingslayer free. Jaime Lannister, the most valuable bargaining chip Robb Stark and the North could ever dream of having in their possession while Tywin and Cersei was alive. Catelyn lets him go on a ‘promise’. If Catelyn would undermine her son Robb, the war of survival they were fighting, undermine the entire Northern army, and throw away their huge power play on the chance she might get Sansa and Arya back, just imagine what she would part with if the only bargaining chip she had acess to was the knowledge of the paternity secret of husband’s nephew. Ned was right not to trust her with this secret. Jon's life would have been sold.

@robbiepluta1358

Жыл бұрын

@@fr0ntend I think you're selling Catelyn far too short. Catelyn has made some very reckless choices - but her one consistent quality is that she would have done anything to protect the people she loves. If Catelyn knew Jon was her nephew, there's nothing in her character that indicates she would not have loved and protected him like one of her own children. She would not have used that information as a 'bargaining chip" - Catelyn has never shown to be cold or calculated when it comes to her family. Her decision to free Jaime (while done irresponsibly) was done with her belief that Arya, Bran and Rickon were all dead - and she was the only one thinking of the safety of one of her two surviving children. Even from a practical perspective - at that moment Sansa was heir to the North and Robb was fighting in a dangerous war, if anything happened to him the Lannisters now hold "the key to the North" as Tywin calls her. Catelyn's screw-up was not going through Robb to convince him to trade Jaime for Sansa (and not locking Robb in a chastity belt).

“But I went back on my promise to the gods because deep down…I’m an evil bitch…”

@IcchiNutz

Ай бұрын

Found an incel

Not that it excuses how she treated Jon, but she was married to Ned Stark, the most loyal, noble, pure man in Westeros whom everyone thought of as a man who would be his commitment before himself. So to return with a bastard could only mean two things for Catelyn; either he showed only a fake "good" personality, or that woman was more important to him than her. Unfortunately, she knew it wasn't a fake personality...

@user-ug5xq7tx3g

Ай бұрын

Originally Ned loved Arthur Dayn’s sister. Cate and others probably thought she was the mother. Cate felt like second choice.

I wonder if Benjen knew the truth.

@z-man1237

Жыл бұрын

I don’t think he did. After Lyanna’s death he left to the wall out of grief. Ned kept Jon’s secret very close

@douglasmota9570

Жыл бұрын

I think he did. And that might be the reason he decided going to the night's watch.

@martinorrego5807

Жыл бұрын

There is a pretty interesting theory about that. And I think he knew. kzread.info/dash/bejne/i61ou9yNdJOwZZM.html Here is the video if you want to watch it.

@melisamudadi9641

Жыл бұрын

I think benjen knew some how the way he loved and protect that boy he knew he was the king

catelyn stark by far, is one of the best characters in the work, both in the books and in the series. even with the world falling on her back, she didn't chicken out, she dealt with all misfortunes with courage, honor and resilience. Many hate her for the way she treats Jon Snow, as if we are all perfect, even she doesn't know the truth about Jon.

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

finally someone who isn't bashing catelyn, everyone else is calling her evil and shit. Thank you for having a functioning brain.

Jon did not deserve such hatred

Uncle Benjen was tryna tell him to rethink his decision smh

Ned could ve easily prevented this. All he needed to do was telling that Jon was an orphan child he found during the war and that he decided to adopt him. Also telling Cat in secret who Jon really is. This way Cat could ve loved Jon like a mother. But instead he puts all of them into the most awkward situation...

@texcorps9432

11 ай бұрын

Would form too many questions about his parentage and why Ned cared so much, he was Honorable but even someone like him wasn't just adopting children off the street when he could just as easily given him to another family in winter fell but to invite a supposedly lowborn child into his home and status without being blood? Would of caused prying eyes

@Borninafire

8 ай бұрын

Ned knew Tully women couldn't keep a secret. Once Sansa learned about Jon's true born name, she basically immediately told others after saying she wouldn't.

@saldzbob9972

7 ай бұрын

In the books he looks exactly like a stark.

Sad that Allister Thorne was nicer to Jon Snow than Catelyn Stark ever was and Allister Thorne was a mean nasty prick who took part in Jon's murder. Poor Jon

@suraj3419

3 ай бұрын

Even allister Thorne would have been nicer to jon snow if he knew his real identity. Because the reason Allister was sent to the wall was because he didn't surrender to tywin and Roberts army. And was extremely loyal to rhaeghar.

If only jon and rob were together they would have been unbeatable

If Carleton had been more accepting of Jon he might not have gone off to the Nights Watch and been there to watch his half brother Robs back. Could have changed everything for the Starks.

her hatred passed on to sansa .

@filmyflix

8 ай бұрын

absolutely

John had every reason to become a villan but still choose to be a hero

It would have been interesting to see the two of them interact again in like season 6

@lrlavalais2068

Жыл бұрын

In the books she is "undead" and ruthless. Not the same Catelyn. Jon is still dead at the wall. It would be interesting if it would be her to resurrect him. Lol (Lady Stoneheart)

The greatest tragedy is that ned never got to tell her the truth. 😢

I wish she was alive to see Jon become king in the north!

Take me with you when you go back 🤕

I wonder how she would have reacted if Ned told her that’s his sisters baby. He didn’t need to tell who’s the father.

@jimmykray9583

8 ай бұрын

But she would have known it was Rhaegar

@IcchiNutz

Ай бұрын

Except everyone would have known who the father was because that's the entire reason the war was started

If only she knew whar jon would come to be and how the siblings loved him

If Ned predicted John Snow would have killed if Lannisters take iron throne?

If only Ned told her who he was.

Catelyn was such an incredible character. So complicated and imperfect.

@based-ys9um

Ай бұрын

The actress is awesome too

Did Ned got those nurses attending to Lyanna killed or exiled? I would have liked that the secret would have came out through one of the nurses and then whole another level of shit takes place, rather than sam simple telling you are Targeryan.

And that’s why the Seven Gods punished her at the end !

Lady Stoneheart

If Ned Stark was more honest with his wife about the truth of Jon Snow's Origins maybe things would have been different

@based-ys9um

Ай бұрын

If my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle

She got the troubles of her sister.

Still don't know why Nedd didn't said Catelyn about Jon,she would kept that secret and be way more generous towards him

@Dont_tell_mom

Жыл бұрын

And that my friend is why he didn’t tell her. The way she treated Jon is what made it believable.

@MegaKnight2012

Жыл бұрын

Because he believed Catelyn's treatment would help sell his bastard status, but it's also possible that Ned held a grudge against the Targaryens for what they did to his family, including his sister, and maybe deep down, he wanted the Targaryen line to end without them reclaiming the throne, so he told so few that Jon was really a Targaryen.

@danielramirezjr.9285

Жыл бұрын

@@MegaKnight2012 best explanation I've read. I believed obviously cat married Ned because his brother died. So the real love they never shared and didn't want to tell the truth. So he never had the 100 percent trust of her.

@salumali6942

Жыл бұрын

Since when did the women are capable of keeping secret?

@MegaKnight2012

Жыл бұрын

@@danielramirezjr.9285 It actually seems that Ned and Cat genuinely fell in love after their arranged marriage, which wasn't too uncommon in arranged marriages.

"All because i couldnt love a motherless child"

Fun fact if catelyn asked ned to make jon a stark at that point ned may have revealed her the truth, thus changing everything since there are many targaryen supporter in westeros and rob could have rallied them to his side with jon

But JÖN saves winterfell and became the KING of the NORTH without he wanted❤

Ned should have told cat she wouldn’t have told Robert

YOU WILL NEVER BE ACCEPTED BY THE STARKS Jon Snow 😆

To me Catelyn feels immense guilt about failing to love Jon, but she doesn’t know how to reconcile and can only push him away, although not as cruelly as in the books

can anyone explain why she wants jon to leave? long time since i watched GoT

@filmyflix

Жыл бұрын

Because Jon was not her son,,Jon was a Bastard of her Husband.

@jgamer2228

Жыл бұрын

He’s Ned’s bastard, and she is resentful that he looks more like Ned than his true born kids. At least in the books. In the show he’s Lyanna and Rhaegar’s son

@BroadwayRonMexico

Жыл бұрын

@@jgamer2228 R+L=J is straight from George RR Martin.

@gabrielsamuel3649

Жыл бұрын

She hates Jon because he's Ned's bastard

Since Jon turned out to be a nice guy, I wonder who did mother him?

@FunFilmFare

Жыл бұрын

Probably Septa Mordane. Or any one of the septas at Winterfell.

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

@@FunFilmFare what, no. Septa's are notorious for hating bastards. They are devoted to the New Gods. The followers of that faith are very much look down on bastards. Plus, there were't any other septas in Winterfell, only priests in the Sept. The whole point is that Jon didn't have a mother or any type of figure like that, thats why he is so hurt by Catelyn's dismissive nature towards him. If anything, Jon would have been cared for by wet nurses and maids, but only as a child.

The sad thing is, if Catelyn hasn't treated Jon so poorly (god forbid Ned trusted his wife enough to confide in her the truth behind Jon's parentage) he might not have felt pushed to join the Knight's Watch in the first place. Sure the 7 kingdom's may have eventually fallen to the whitewalkers without him, but had he been by Robb's side during his war they might’ve succeeded (or maybe Walder Frey/Roose Bolton would have stabbed him in the back along with Robb and Catelyn)?

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

for fucks sake, Jon doesn't join the Watch because of Catelyn. he joins because he wants to make a name for himself, earn glory and honour. He wants to erase the stain of bastardy from himself and his fathers names. So that one day, he can stand beside his father proudly, and people will acknolodge him as not Ned Starks bastard, but as Ned Starks SON.

Everything was fine, until they put the music on and it ruined everything, I couldn't hear the dialogues

More than anything I blame Ned tho, he could have told her

@jimmykray9583

7 ай бұрын

Doesn’t matter, there’s no excuse to be vile to a child.

Benjen seemed like he doesnt want Jon to join the nightwatch for a reason. Like Benjen knows Jon's true parents, but Ned didnt confirm it to him.

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

bro, Benjen literally invites Jon to the nights watch. he only tells him to wait and enjoy life before he joins.

Ned Stark should have told Cat about Jons true heritage and she should have kept the secret. She wouldnt have been awful to him.

@aceclover758

11 күн бұрын

You rly think she could keep a secret? She trusted Baelish of all people

@skelaiton

5 күн бұрын

@@aceclover758also it would’ve been questionable if she didn’t hate jon… this made the lie more believable

In books when jon says goodbye to bran catelyn said I wish it was you who fell from the tower🥺

@versatileduplicity9313

Жыл бұрын

Well shit 😂.

@aishahamma334

Жыл бұрын

@@versatileduplicity9313 I almost cried when i read that part what did he do that she would wish him dead can't wait to see robert,s expression when he finds out that jon was actually the son of the woman he loved and that she didn't love him

Ah, if only the gods granted us all our wishes. Lucky for us, they don't. Without knowing it, Catelin Stark was forging the king that would save them all. Not a spoiled, rich, selfish king, like Joffrey or Daeneris, but a king that conquered hearts.

@OoOMonkeyCoFreakOoO

Жыл бұрын

But he wasn’t the king in the end…

@lies9029

Жыл бұрын

Daenerys wasn’t rich she was homeless the only thing she had was her name she had no land no gold nothing,and spoiled?Are we talking about the little girl that was abused by her brother and sold to a savage that raped her multiple times?And certainly her fighting for the injustices and freeing the slaves and punishing the slavers and saving the 7 kingdoms while seeing her dragon die was a selfish thing,what a joke

@gianfrancomedina3008

11 ай бұрын

​@@lies9029Y al final cometió genocidio matando inocentes a miles y quería hacerlo x todo el mundo si no se arrodillada.

She didn't hate him because he was a bastard. She hated him because despite her promises to the Gods, she found herself incapable of loving him. Its more a reflection of her own flaw.

It would have been nice if Jon somehow met Cat when he died and they cleared the air before Jon got resurrected

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

thats so stupid. A lifetime of regrets, resentment, fear, anger and guilt wouldn't be fixed with one conversation. And also, afterlife conversations sound stupid as shit.

Was Jon brought back to life from his sickness because she prayed??

Very unfair to the true born heir of westeros

@andrewmcgill9544

Жыл бұрын

Dragons were overthrown. Jon has no claim. Stannis then renly

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

also, i hate that ur saying thats its only unfair cos Jon is heir to westeros. It unfair on any child.

Benjen loved his bastard nephew.....its the uncles that love the black sheep of the family.....they understand

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

u say that like Ned, robb, arya, bran and rickon didnt love Jon too.

She might be if not great, a good mother but a shitty person. For her, its ed's fault and she blamed jon. An animal will care about their own puppies and forget about others thats what catelyn was, no human heart, just cared about her own fleash and blood....

That's one of the main reasons why I never cared for her character was how terribly she treated Jon.

Ich fand ea immer schade das Catlyn Stark nie erfahren hat das ihr Ehemann sie nicht betrogen hat und das Jon Snow nicht der Bastard von Ned Stark ist. Aber ich glaube wenn sie es erfahren hätte hätte sie mit dieser Schuld gar nicht leben können wenn sie sich schon so über Ihren Verrat wegen des gebrochenen Versprechens geschämt hat.

I never understood why ned didnt tell her about the truth about jon, im sure she will keep the secret and wouldnt tell any one about it

@nxtgaming7632

Күн бұрын

thats cuz ur stupid.

Ned not telling Catelyn the truth makes little sense.

@6pathuser344

Жыл бұрын

Ned Stark swore to tell no one. The secret lives with him and dies with. And seeing how Cat let Jaime escape, yeah Ned was right to not reveal Jon's identity

@MindfulnessGamer

Жыл бұрын

Then as soon as Sansa finds out she spreads it straight away making neds secret all these years pointless

@6pathuser344

Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulnessGamer Ned stark swore it , not Sansa. And there was no immediate threat now that they were already at war anyway. Context is important

@wakandaforevaah154

Жыл бұрын

@@6pathuser344 sansa swore it too

@carnivorous_vegan

Жыл бұрын

@@MindfulnessGamer that's because there was the threat of king robert, who would've killed jon had he known. there was obviously no use keeping a secret if the danger is not there, that's why sansa spreads it. ned would've unveiled the secret had it not been for robert's rage

honestly, I never got, why Ned didn't tell her the truth

@filmyflix

Жыл бұрын

Ned didn't tell the truth, because if Robert Knew that the boy was a Targaryen,,he would have killed Jon.

@thetomster7625

Жыл бұрын

@@filmyflix I said tell "her" the truth. Very obviously, no one else and at the least one Robert could know.

@Moody2919

Жыл бұрын

Ned knew she'd tell someone...

@saynomoredontask6077

Жыл бұрын

Simple reason it's not because he didn't trust cat He did telling her wouldve made life easier for both ned and Jon and the whole family It's because he promised his dying sister he wouldn't when she asked. That's why he didn't Ned is about honour duty etc.. So it would be out of character to spill the secert

@PlanetHell67

Жыл бұрын

@@thetomster7625 too risky

She treats him much worse in the books

For me they should let Robb marry Margaery Tyrell or Daenerys Targaaryen in secret

Loving all the woke fake pretentious comments here 😂 Hypocrites

So she begged Ned to make him a stark, but Ned didnt do it because why? Ned had issues not standing up for Jons mistreatment growing up. Like he knows the truth yet never once corrected catelyn from what we saw. Sad

@muffingfx

Жыл бұрын

She never wanted him to be a Stark, she never wanted him to be Robb's heir and legitimize him as a Stark. Ned never told Catelyn about his parentage because it would endanger him. If Robert found out Rhaegar had a kid with the woman he was obsessed with, he'd probably go nuts and grab his warhammer. I see your point on him and Jon's mistreatment, but Ned really did love Jon and tried to keep him by his side

@josephstalin2606

Жыл бұрын

Sh told herself that she would beg him to do it but she literally follows up saying she couldn’t keep her promise, meaning she never begged him to make him a Stark. After Jon survived Cat continued to neglect him, and usually it was when Ned wasn’t around to correct her. You can see that in the scene where Jon says goodbye to Bran, Cat is being a bitch to him until Ned walks in behind them and it ends

@lies9029

Жыл бұрын

@@josephstalin2606Cat didn’t neglected him because he wasn’t her son!!!Plus they are a rich family and they used to have women around to raise the kids and I’m sure Jon had some so weird that some of you want to force a woman to love her husband’s bastard

@josephstalin2606

Жыл бұрын

@@lies9029 Nobody said that but it also doesn’t excuse her behavior towards him, she should be angry at her husband not the child that was the victim of circumstance. She doesn’t have to love Jon but she didn’t have to be so cruel to him either especially in the books. It’s not hard to comprehend that her “anger” should’ve been pointed at Ned as he’s the one that “betrayed” her and brought a kid home, Jon had no say in that

@lies9029

Жыл бұрын

@@josephstalin2606 Ye you say that every time u complain about the way she treated him which wasn’t bad it was just indifference and the thing is Jon didn’t even mind it at least in the books he understood the only thing time she mistreated him was when she didn’t eat sleep for days waiting for her son to not die and Jon understood she was hurt and that’s why she said those words

Anyone else find it ironic that Alliser Thorne was nicer to Jon then catelyn was?

NED WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL CATELYN THE TRUTH??????????

I hated her and I don’t hate anyone hood thing she just a character

i wish for their reunion in the books

Worst Aunt ever.....

Sounded like a cow in heat

Jon was an idiot. Happy it somewhat worked out for him but if all that didn't transpire Jon would've had himself stuck in a penial colony for the rest of his life having never experienced any of the joys of being a free man would be.

@elpiedra1596

Жыл бұрын

I think Jon prefers living as a member of the Night's Watch if that means all his family lives happily until they are old.

I wholeheartedly wanted to love Catelyn but she awful with Jon

Jom snow the greatest but recognition zero

I didn't like her whole book. In the show I didn't like her even more.

Catelyn Tully and Sansa (she is not Stark, come one) are ones of the worst characters in the show. Even last 2 sh*t seasons can't break the fact, that Sansa just narcissistic hypocrite.( nothing bad about the actress, they played their characters amazing)

my wishful guess is in the books, Benjen knows about Jon's heritage.