I don’t mean to be rude, but those “snapping” pieces that you said cannot be done with regular manufacturing techniques do exist and are used extremely regularly in injection molded plastic parts. If you look up “plastic snaps” you can find entire design guidelines to create permanent or temporary snaps. Those guides are usually made for injection molded plastics so you have to change them slightly for 3d printing but they are very common

@NicksStuff

7 ай бұрын

You need a more complex mold but they're reasonably easy to make. He also said they couldn't be machined, that's ridiculous

@SaHaRaSquad

6 ай бұрын

Yeah that was a weird statement. Basically every other consumer device uses these for the case. Sometimes in addition to screws, like with many laptops.

@Segphalt

6 ай бұрын

That doesn't conform to the "3d printing is magic and can do things no other process can do..." claim you see quite often but is very rarely true. Additionally many of the options provided in this video are also just generally bad and extremely fragile when not assembled and some when assembled.

@hauntycz5191

6 ай бұрын

Well thy can be machined.. T types of mills easy...

@BuzzingGoober

5 ай бұрын

​@Segphalt literally this. This dude is an amateur.

This type of content is gold. Thank you!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

7:04 Such snap-in joints are actually manufacturable pretty good without 3D-printing. If your part doesn't have to be fully closed you can simply machine the recesses from the outside. Another option for fully closed surfaces would be injection molding with movable core pins. That's actually pretty standard in the industry and mainly limited by size. Another option would be milling or even EDM machining with special diamond shaped tools.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

So not manufacturable as is. Correct

@LittleT2

8 ай бұрын

I had the same thought when I saw that. I have actually machined parts that are virtually the same with internal diamond shaped tools.

@LittleT2

8 ай бұрын

@@slant3d These parts can absolutely be manufactured with traditional methods. Fisher Price Snap Lock Beads are basically exactly what you are describing and have been made since the early 70s

@wynerro6680

8 ай бұрын

@@slant3d if its a plastic part using a collapsable core in injection molding should allow for production as is.

@Raz_Tactical

8 ай бұрын

Yeah snap links are easy to manufacture and have been around for years. While set up is a bit more expensive than traditional moulding it can be moulded or machines easily. A lot of toys are actually manufactured with those exact joints. Of course this is assuming the geometry of the product allows for it.

I love how this channel features solutions that are genuinely useful but somehow so easy to understand. Anything that removes the absolute need for glue or screws is a pretty helpful design solution 😊

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. Happy to help

@ZURAD

8 ай бұрын

no part is the best part!

@Amipotsophspond

8 ай бұрын

​@@ZURAD what do you work for apple? no part last for ever, even one solid piece. replaceable parts means ability to repair. destroy the whole thing and make a new one or replace just a part that all the strain is shifted to. if the whole item is made from replaceable parts it can last forever, but that's not good for apple's profits. also mass production metal screws can provide a lot of cheap structural support to plastic.

tapered dovetails for the win. They do it all and are easy to design. Just make the profile, project it to the other plane. Run an offset and finally a loft.

@chuyskywlk

8 ай бұрын

Indeed; can't believe dovetail joints weren't on this list.

@nolansprojects2840

8 ай бұрын

I was looking for my dovetail peeps!

@ianbelletti6241

8 ай бұрын

You can even make dovetails into a form of locking tab.

@Internet-Antics

8 ай бұрын

Thank you! Must have slipped his mind when filming, but could easily replace the t and circle on a stick designs.

@Internet-Antics

8 ай бұрын

​@@chuyskywlkinsanity right?

I have been in engineering design for 50 years + and at 69 years still going strong. I find 3D printing with a combination of laser amazingly useful for prototyping and congratulate you in your channel and videos. Unfortunately you will always get negative comments generally from those not involved in design and lacking in lateral mindedness which of course is essential in design. Your objective of giving inspirational ideas to others thus enabling them to make informed decisions is excellent. Well done...

Honestly never thought about joining 2 pieces together without additional hardware/glue, or going for a woodworking like joint. Amazing design videos; you guys present these concepts in a super engaging way.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad to help

For this type of content it would be sweet if you could upload f3d/step files somewhere so we can take a closer look in 3d or print them out at home.

7:00 Worked as injected plastic part constructor, and yes, you can make such geometry in injection molding. With some small changes to geometry, like adding drafts to some faces. However, it would be expensive because you would need two very small sliders. And in traditional plastic injection molding, we would use proper positioning and proper hook (meaning, contact only on line, not surface to surface). I suspect it could be done in metal machining, but again, would be expensive, delicate work, with some changes in geometry, slot in corners would be rounded at least.

@phasesecuritytechnology6573

2 ай бұрын

He did say "as is."

I'm kind of surprised no one uses any Japanese wood joinery designs in 3d printing, they look awesome.

That snap together design at the end led me to rethink a snap together design that's been in my head and now physical. Interesting how a design can change so much in prototyping.

Nice! My 2 "go to" connectors are the v-style tab (like the i-style but with "wings" on to stop it easily pulling out or flexing / rotating) and the "click-in-style" as you demonstrate, basically what you find on bag straps and belts that needs to mate together

Great content and truly enjoy the re-education. Being in the injection mold industry for nearly 1/2 a century there is an ingrained way at which "we" see designing and producing parts. It's this type of content that truly helps to advance my (our) thinking. However, there are techniques and processes that may not be top of mind for making some geometries that have been referred to as "impossible to be made any other way" on this channel. In the last example with the internal grooves, fully enclosed, there is a method to release that geometry in production mold tooling... I developed it for molding internal hinges on the Motorola phones in the early 90's. This comment is meant only to inform and I realize has nothing to add to the 3d printing world. Please keep up the content as it is truly informative.

@ghostdog0424

5 ай бұрын

Don't discount your knowledge. Engineers need to listen to people with your level of experience more.

Excellent job with this video. But the snap-in joints are typically called snap fits. They are actually used a lot with injection molded parts but if I need a semi-flexible yet strong part, their basic design has almost always been the answer, especially when 3D printing.

I really love these! I design for both printing (MJF, FDM and SLA) and for CNC and injection moulding. This is also good - but locking, flexing clips are very possible and very common in injection moulding. Sure, this exact execution is not but the concept is exactly the same. I think the lesson is that we can use a lot of the same thinking, but applying slightly different optimisations and exploiting different strengths is important.

These snap-in joints are great and I have been adding them to my assemblies too. I found the snap-in joint can be cylindrical in order to snap into a circular hole, if one-degree-of-freedom rotation of two parts is required.

I love the idea of printing the fastener along with the part in one piece. Even for 3D-printed parts, I rely heavily on bolts which require the use of heat seat inserts to give the plastic part threads. Bolted connections are great and strong, but adding the inserts is an additional manual operation that takes time, unlike the print-in-place options you showed here. I'm definitely going to try one of these in a design, thank you!

As a mechanical designer, this is an excellent explanation for anyone. Great video!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad we could help. Thanks for watching!

I love this content. Studying mechanical engineering, so learning this is useful. The locking tabs look a little bit fragile to me, so i probably would have made the tabs have a slight curve or a fin in the middle to be sure the tabs do not break or weaken with extended use.

Great video - have been using tight dovetails - but tried your sprung T join today and it seems to work quite nicely. Once you get the joined pieces nice and tightly together has you got any suggestions on how to hide the rounded corners you get between the joined parts. I don't think they can be eliminated with settings due to the fact that the nozzle is round. I've settled on printing a bit extra either on one side or both sides at the edge - either to hide the joint a bit, or as something that can be shaved off in post processing to give nice square corners or very thing overlaps.

Designing for the the process you'll be manufacturing with is a huge step that is often overlooked. Features like this can make or break the manufacturability of a part. Great video!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Love it. Thank you. I have just one issue with this, however: Snap joints have been around for quite a while in injection molding. The mold just needs an extra mechanism for each end - the male and the female. The additional mechanism does increase cost, however, and is SO much easier to do with FDM than IM. FDM makes the hidden snap joint a no-brainer.

Especially the spring design, but more generally whenever tension between parts is needed to hold the joint together, you're going to be fighting against creep - the property of the plastic to gradually deform over long periods of time under load. I would consider these designs non-starters for PLA or nylon and questionable for PETG. For ABS, ASA, PC, or PET they're great.

Thanks for giving your expertise out to the community, it’s people like you that push the industry forward.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

This one of your best videos for expanding my thoughts on 3d printing. I echo the person that said uploading your model would great. Keep up the good work!

I run a 3D printing club for a CSU and the main question I get is how to put parts together after segmentation. I’ll add some of these to my non permanent and sliding joints section. Personally I always preferred dove tail joints. Great content

I usually use conical or pyramidal pins for locating 3d printed parts against each other. One irregular trapezoid pyramid for a low-precision joint, two elliptical cones for a more precise flat glue plane, or three circular cones and one threaded insert and bolt for a removable kinematic mount. Aggressively tapered pin edges are easy to print, easy to sand to a precise mating distance for a one-off, and easy to adjust CAD to get a second copy to mate perfectly right off the bed. They also provide excellent glue surface area.

My favorite one to make is angled dove tails. They are nice because you can sit them flush and it's still a simple geometry. Plus if you angle it then it only comes apart in that direction which could be hard to know or see if it is not facing out. The top will look like a triangle but really it's slanted

Thanks for the video, how do you remove the extra filament along the corners? Seems like you have nice corners so that the surfaces are getting close to each other

A cool case study would be designing tubes and ducts (I've seen your vents video - very inspiring by the way). I printed a filament "Y" splitter for a BL-X1C and noticed that most of the models are printed vertically, which results in layer lines perpendicular to the filament flow. So if your filament has a sharp end, and it finds an unruly layer line, it will get stuck. A solution could be to use a hexagonal profile and print the splitter flat so that the layer lines wouldn't be perpendicular to the filament path. In the case of other ducts or pipes, I believe you spoke about this in the vents video, but the layer lines if perpendicular to the flow can create turbulence which may be good if you want to avoid material deposition, or if they are aligned with the flow may help laminar flow for other applications.

just found your channel and absolutely love your content. keep making detailed videos about functional 3d design. could listen to your videos all day.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thank you

Thank you so much for sharing your experience, very much appreciated.

Just started a 20 hour print where I opted for bolts and encapsulated nuts… wish I would have seen this video first! Nice work!

@robgoodsight6216

2 ай бұрын

Coming from mechanical field I always use nuts and bolt myself. For dissimilar parts...a interlocking system is extremely useful... I know what you mean.

Wow! 3D Printing is super interesting! snap-in joints are super innovative! Thank you so much for sharing!

Incredible. I was thinking this morning I needed a better way to combine two parts and POW this shows up. Amazing timing! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Perfect!

Great again, thank you!

Omg this is exactly what I was looking for for the past 2 weeks 😮

I recently discovered your channel/company. This type of content you share testifies how knowledgable you are with 3d printing

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Appreciate It.

Brilliant. I'd never thought of snapping together joints. Thank you for the inspiration.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Absolutely loving these videos!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

I'm just getting into 3d printing for functional prototypes and really value the material that you are sharing.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching. Hopefully you can take those prototypes into full production.

This video series is great! I want more!!!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

thanks for watching

Another great video. Love these breakdowns of design considerations!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

Very helpful content! Will try out in my future projects. Well made video as well, compact and clear, not a single second is wasted. You got a new subscriber!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

i love these kind of video, please keep going on.

Excellent video - very thought provoking - thank you !

Thank you for videos! Engineering solutions that you provide is exceptional !

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad you like them!

I am working on a racing sim periphery and my main goal is the least amount of parts for ease of assembly. After about half a dozen iterations i managed to remove 80 % of the added joining hardware like bolts and nuts. This video showed me how to remove the last 20 %. Thank you so much.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

If it doesn't need to look fancy I often just screw them together with M4 bolts + nuts. With a bit of tolerance testing you can print hexagon-shaped recesses into which you can pull the nut via the screw, super easy to design and durable.

This was extremely helpful and informative. Thanks

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Amazing. I was just sitting down to design a two-part print that has to hang reliably at an angle. This has a bunch of great ideas and perfect timing. :-)

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful. Best of luck on your project

Great tips. Thank you!

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

thanks for watching

Would it be possible to make a screw that needs 3 or 4 twists to join the pices toghether? I think it would be tricky to make the 2 pieces align

Ive used something similar for a permant conection to a tslot. 2 nubs that flex in during insert, then expand back out once in.

I like the subject of this video, usefull for designing

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thanks

Amazing content, so useful! Thank you for your service to the community

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Happy to help! Design for 3D Printing is something that can help 3D Printing replace older more inefficent manufacturing processes

Hi, could you make a video on how we could make moving parts, like how we should think about moving parts, like i wanted to make a chapstick tube that spins, but i had no idea how to

As far as the locking tabs go you forgot about the classic dovetail. The dovetail is simple, locks better than the square tongue, and tends to be a strong connection. Depending on what you're making sometimes dovetails can be a feature of interest in addition to a connecting feature.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Doestails function the same as the I and T

@ianbelletti6241

8 ай бұрын

@@slant3d and their design is as simple as the tab.

I'm a carpenter I stick to what I know and worked for centuries, I just make a dove tail. it is less likely to have anything sapping when pulled on and when you make the slot a tiny bit further in the parts get pulled together tightly.

Great video! Other videos talked in generalisations, but you actually showed it in Fusion. Thanks!

I've been using bayonet fittings on my recent project. They push in and twist slightly and only one surface needs to have close tolerance to grip.

Very inspirational. I appreciate the amount of models produced for this vid

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Our pleasure!

Most excellent vid and subject. Subscribed!! *How would you advise joining two much smaller/slender parts?* Like getting chop sticks to attach end-to-end.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Really depends on geometry. It round use a sleeve. If squre use a press fit flexible tongue

If you look at the geometry at timestamp 3:01, you can see that this isn't printable. Yes, you can print the 45 degree centre, but the extreme edges of the curved head would be printed in fresh air. Personally, I often design something as a whole shape, then draw a dovetail with say 60 degree sides for the join. The dovetail has nice fillets added to it. The dovetail is made as part of a cut for one side and then flipped over for the other side. The part has two Configurations, and you output the sides as separate .step files for printing. I've found that printing everything size for size results in a nice tight press fit. You get pretty much the same shrinkage on both halves, so it just works.

What filament you use for these kind of things? PETG or can it be pulled off with PLA?

I borrowed the concept of cordless power tools, the way 20V batteries snap into the tool is quite clever. Although much more complex to design, I found it really good to make detachable parts (with and without a detach button). Think the main takeaway is how the edges of the slot are a sequence of chamfers. This allows for bigger and safer tolerances that will still create a snap that does not jiggle.

Godly video. Big thanks,

Absolute chad, very nice explanations

New to 3D printing, and have been brainstorming custom fasteners. I was thinking about an internal hole, with a slot on the edge that acts as a key slot. a tongue can only be inserted sideways, and then once inserted sideways, the part is twisted 90° (or more depending on design) to engage some kind of locking design on the inside, that prevents the part from being turned in reverse to allow the tongue to be removed via the key slot. Edit: imagine a grip fin ( 5:22 ) on the inside of a part that prevents twisting the part in the opposite direction once the grip fins are engaged within the body of the part.

I enjoyed that. Thanks

Great Video as always! Would love to see a video on thread design for 3d printing. Different size and shape and strengths/weaknesses of the different designs

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Generally threads are more of a tolerancing issue than a design issue

needed a thin section joinery -> Slot for 2mm sheet metal strip is what i'm going to try :) Glued in with E6000 or Epoxy is the plan.

Good timing, i'm trying to come up with joining solutions for something I've made so this is handy.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Would love to have the cad files for these designs, preferably parametric so we could mess with some of the options you mentioned

@tymoteuszkazubski2755

8 ай бұрын

Unless you use the same CAD package or one that can import original files it is way faster to make these features from scratch than to import them.

I use a lot the good old dovetail joint, used since forever in woodworking. In prusa slicer it’s easy to add at slicing time.

The best "adhesive" for any thermoplastic is the material itself. You can design the join so that you can weld it together with a soldering iron tempered to around 200°C. Of course you need to use soldering iron tips that you don't use for soldering lead.

Great video. I like your simple explanations. The last type of joint is actually not that rare. It's been used for electrical connectors for a long time. E.g. the audio jack connectors use a similar mechanism.

Looks like something to make in OpenSCAD when I get home. Great idea!

@claws61821

8 ай бұрын

Make sure you look up some of the videos that exist on how best to model tabs. The one shown toward the end is pretty much the most basic possible

@logicalfundy

8 ай бұрын

@@claws61821 A good idea, I'll definitely look around! Although there's something to be said for keeping things simple.

Best design for additive manufacturing account on the KZread 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥰🥰🥰🥰 I've learned so much from your channel! Thanks 😘

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you!

What’s the best way to mechanically join parts together that ideally would be 3D printed as one but due to being to big to fit on the build plate the model needed to be split in 2

I sometimes use Lego Technic Pins to join 3D printed parts.

And than there are the 3D professor locking mechanical interlock, were you turn the mechanical 45 degree. Great walk-throug of the options 👍😀

Great video. Really anticipated a dovetail and more variaty of snaps from injection molding, but yea, really good video

Thank you for these super-informative videos! I would love guidance on - thin features like those snaps: do you make their thickness in multiples of 0.4? 0.5 due to pancaking? - unsupported spans: I gather from a previous video that 20-25mm is the limit, is that right? - tolerancing for tongue-and-groove: I used to design for a Stratasys uPrint with dissolving supports (yech!) and there I would design line-to-line and it worked great every time. Same or different with y’all’s printers? 👆🏼 having all these kinds of things encapsulated in a document on your website might also be nice :-)

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

We are working on converting the videos into infographics. Generally design with a 0.5 total spaceing for tongue and groove with good filleting to compensate for material expansion and side extrusion. We go over snaps in an earlier video. Really dictated by stiffness needs.

@tymoteuszkazubski2755

8 ай бұрын

I prefer to run my machines with a centered tolerance field. So 0 ends with a very smug fit though I consider shifting toward slight negative bias so parts fit inside the defining volume a bit better. I think something like -0.03 to -0.05 given my machine makes parts with better accuracy for straight lines should yield good results in terms of consistent fit.

I have been searching for this topic for a month, now I finally find it. Would also like to know about tips for combining magnet to 3d print ed part.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

Cut out hole. insert Magnet. lol

@AerialWaviator

8 ай бұрын

An option is to pause print, drop magnet in embedded hole, continue print. Or place a recess in the design, where magnet can be glued in. Orientation of magnet is critical, or will have opposite effect. While great for a limited print, neither is not practical for mass production.

I haven't actually designed joint parts like this, but my intuition tells me I wouldn't want the joints to be permanently attached to either of the pieces and rather be a piece of itself. If both joint parts have female recesses and you have a male-male joint, it may not be quite AS snug, but if something breaks, you only have to print another joint. I'd really like to know what your opinion on that is!

which 3d model program are you using?

For one thing, you forgot the dovetail. also, you could put the tongue on both parts as well a the hole and print one upside down to remove the need for supports. I wish I did that on my stupidly big spool holder instead of relying on dovetails all of the way through. I used 0.15 for a tight fit, which would be fine if the fit was shorter but, had to resort to a hammer to put them together.

You could also seed the clips into the model to increase strength. I have an old vid on this topic if you want to understand my way of doing it lol

Dovetails and flanged dovetails? This gaves pretty good new ideas for modeling

Thank you. It was just what i needed yo know. Sadly money is tight, but I've subscribed and commented to help you with what i can, as you have helped me.

I like to look a different types of wood joining that works wel for me

thank you

Why no dovetail feature? I use them when splitting FDM prints all the time. When properly toleranced, they slide together and the layer lines lock them very well when the dovetail engages.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

They are a variation of the t or I tongues

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Very good examples in your video. You can change the fit (how much clearance or interference), but you aren’t changing the tolerances. Tolerance would be how accurate and repeatable your 3D printing is. A worn lead screw or bad bearings would open up (worsen) the tolerance that you can meet. Take a look at an engineering drawing some time and you’ll see the tolerances required to make that part. You choose the process (machining, surface grinding, EDM, etc) based on those required tolerances.

The internal recess trick is also useful for o-ring (or o-ring like) landings.

@slant3d

8 ай бұрын

This is true

Have you guys covered the topic of tolerance and clearance already? That’s topic id really like to learn more about

Oddly enough, today I was working on car holder for my iPhone. Basically keeping the parts of an off-the-shelf system that work well, and replacing the clumsy and awful thing that actually grips my phone with something bespoke. I came up with a design that had a PETG plate that had a connector for an existing ball mount. And the phone would be held by a TPU grip which was basically a hull between the PETG plate and the phone itself. The hardest part: get the TPU grip to stick to the PETG plate.

@7:12 these can be machined and molded. its a complicated mold, but machining is pretty straight forward with a slight change.