Also, maybe it's about time us artists unionize? It's long overdue. We need power. Look at stable diffusion, scared to even touch copyrighted music.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

^THIS.

@FlyFox_Art

Жыл бұрын

Honeslty, I think this is the strongest solution.

@sandnerdaniel

Жыл бұрын

Wrong, prompted music is already in the works by Google.

@Icewind007

Жыл бұрын

I am already making AI music. The power is with the people, you literally cannot stop it. Just accept the most powerful tool of this age. You cannot be a world explorer in a world of airplanes and spaceships. You can use AI to boost your own art skills beyond what we ever imagined.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

​@@Icewind007 I don't know the music field, so I won't give an opinion about it. But visual artwork (and that is my area, being not only a painter and illustrator, but also a 3D artist, graphic designer for web and print, among other profiles), specially painting and drawing, can only be done well when knowing how to build everything from scratch (anatomy, drawing in general, perspective, lighting, color, painted texture, composition, etc). Not learning those at a very good level, and society not giving value to those skills (already happening, this will accelerate that crazily), will not boost anyone's artistic skills in any capacity, but quite the opposite. This whole thing is going to reduce drastically the amount of people willing to learn the fundamentals in art. That, besides the destruction of many jobs and the near to impossible survival of many freelancers, is extremely bad for the field. It is not a tool: without any measure in place (as is happening in illustration), it is a _replacement_ of artists. Only those not affected (or too naive) don't give a crap, in the very selfish world we live in (nihilistic path that doesn't lead us to any good place). The people is always limited by the law. We'll see. In every new technology big thing, first comes the "wild west" momentum, then comes regulation, and after some iterations a lot of things do not end up like they seem they would (ie, NFTs, etc).

OMG! I literally was JUST accused of using AI in drawing a mermaid in procreate. I spent hours on it and tried to capture the likeness of a client's friend. At first, I was flattered, as some of the AI art really looks beautiful, but then I posted the replay and they still thought it was weird without apology. I posted it on Imgr and it was immediately voted down and went into the negatives. It's sitting at a -7!

@jakeparker44

Жыл бұрын

I'm really sorry this happened. So frustrating!

@kellyro77

Жыл бұрын

That's horrible, but at the same time, your experience also tells me that people are really NOT happy with AI art and are feeling like they're being duped. Interesting. Again, sorry for your experience, though.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

@@kellyro77 Yep, the silver lining here is that the desire for authenticity might be sth AI tools makers haven't taken in consideration. The NFTs were totally bounced back because people love the environment... Emotions do matter people the most. So, I guess we might be saved by... people. Who knows. :)

@faible3508

Жыл бұрын

My heart hurts when someone says my art looks like ai cause I worked so hard and someone will think it's just lazily generated. I made my style look cleaner just so people wouldn't compare, cause my style tended to be really "random and messy" with its brushwork

@SylvesterLazarus

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure nobody will think that my art is AI because I'm nowhere near close to rendering as well as an AI, but I always record my painting footage and post them alongside my works. Mostly for a fun "how it was made timelapse" addition, but it can definitely come handy.

When you get discouraged about AI art, just remember that it has no personality or originality. It’s a formula and an algorithm. Art is about ideas, not just execution. It’s about stories, not just technical skill. Think about why you create and what stories you want to tell and lean into that exploration of your passion for creating.

@SaintsCoAnime

Жыл бұрын

Amen yesss 🙏🏾✨❤️

@artavenuebln

Жыл бұрын

"no personality or originality. It’s a formula and an algorithm." i was thinking this for a while. But no, it does have orginality. A looot of it even.

@ChristerSoderlund

Жыл бұрын

Absolute nonsense. AI art are just as good if not better already than most art online made by humans. Have you even researched it? Go to Midjourney and look, try a few prompts. What you are saying is pure wishful thinking.

@rainsong7773

Жыл бұрын

@@ChristerSoderlund I don’t agree honestly, because unless a human paints over it, AI always randomly assigns pixels, because it has to, because it’s not actually intelligent, it’s algorithmic. This means there will be random marks that don’t make sense and lighting that is in the wrong place, etc. Thing is, AI literally can’t be better than real artists because not only is its existence thanks to real artists, but as soon as the power or WiFi goes out, if you only “create” using AI, you’re not an artist anymore 😂🫰

@billyliar1614

11 ай бұрын

@@ChristerSoderlund AI art is a plagiarism program ripping off styles without the consent of the artists whose ''souls'' it has stolen. If you can't see why that is problematic, or the difference between that and the human hand, then you are truly lost like these corporate tools who are salivating over it's use and really, beyond help. The art only looks superficially impressive to those who literally have no powers of artistic discernment. Granted this may be enough for the majority of consumers but it does nothing to maintain high standards in the arts. It is truly depressing that a lot of people will seriously equate this pap with a masterpiece by Rubens or the literary equivalent to the works of Shakespeare or Dickens. Utterly absurd (but then I guess corporate Modernism has already been doing this for some time) Imagine if this had been around when Picasso was starting off. He'd either have been discouraged from the outset because of the unviability of the career choice, or his work would have been fed into the blender and ripped off before he'd even had a chance to blossom. This is not culture, it is soul-less, sterile pap regurgitated by the corporate machine for profit. P.S this was not written by an algorithm

I will humbly offer my pencil and my drawing easel as a shield. I am but a potato farmer from the southern territories, though what I lack in wealth I make up for in my will to fight and my allegiance to human creativity.

@KiX-K4T13

Жыл бұрын

Can I has a potato, friend? I'll guard your family with my life in exchange. 🖋😎👍

@zanggittai4764

Жыл бұрын

Awesome resolve!! We will need more people like you for this fight.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Potatoes army!!! RAISE !!!! 😁😅

@Rainjojo

Жыл бұрын

POTATO ARMY STAND UP❗️❗️🥔

@wonjaeseo1994

Жыл бұрын

Down to earth. Pun intended

Like Leonidas, leader of the glorious 300, I do not care if their AI image generators blot out the sun. I will die on the hill of human art. For the sake of all free artists. Sorry, couldn't help myself. To arms! Okay I'll stop.

@DrLimeGreen

Жыл бұрын

Come and take it (our tablet pens)

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

It was funny, tho. :D

@alvernonbrownjr8654

Жыл бұрын

I'll get the torches for war... #jk I dunno where I was going with that

I agree with all you say here but one problem left is companies just taking whatever images they want and making money out it, it sets a precedent for the future, it gives the message that artists are submissive and are not willing to fight for their property but instead just find a way around it, I wish there was a way to fight these companies and not only AI itself.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Artists are rebels by nature, don't worry. ;)

@udopadrik9971

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons Sorry but in this situation it seems to me that those self-proclaimed artists are against rebellion. A superficial view seems to be that artists have become comfy in their conformist art positions and want to fight against other people having new tools. One can't easily boil down the human society to a few mechanism, but one mechanism that seems quite prevalent is that powerful people at the top of social hierarchies tend to be against technological progress, because it might disrupt those hierarchies. Scientists/artists usually have to really fight to get new technology made, because powerful people are often in a position to get people riled up about any kind of change. Is something different happening here? To me it seems like super-conformism, not rebellion.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

@@udopadrik9971 The artists' elite is not threatened _at all_ . Craig Mullins (as neither wouldn't Picasso if were alive) have absolutely nothing to fear (neither need for income, etc). It's indeed the more starving artists who will suffer. Self proclaimed? An artist is not solely a famous artist. But anyone efectively creating artistic expression while using an artistic workflow. The people defending AI say that writing a sentence to create a painting is art, and that is were a bunch of us see a problem. There is nothing "comfy" in living solely from your art (this is often said by people who has not been years doing such). I've worked as a programmer and graphic designer too, and specially the former, is *a tad* easier than being an artist in today's world. The typical artist is anything but "powerful". What conformism? People has always unionized when they saw their jobs destroyed and their rights shattered.

@uhoh7545

Жыл бұрын

@@udopadrik9971 I am appalled to learn that I; a rebel artist, am conforming to that majority of complacent "artists" that feel the way to move art forward is to nurture skill through a notoriously esoteric craft. I shall now truly shine as a rebel by utilizing the amazing glorified plagiarism machine that *_TRUE ARTISTS_* (the visionary prompt makers) use to so often to spam social media and art boards with irrationally huge titted girls of art styles I did not learn! God forbid the AI (as stability dot ai said in their own words) "over-corrects" and essentially makes zero revisions to the "source image" sans the aforementioned tits. That would constitute me as an art thief, would that not? AAAIIIEEEEEEEE!!!

@udopadrik9971

Жыл бұрын

​ @Uh Oh Well, both good and bad stuff will come as a result of this technology, no doubt. People will usually use new technology in both honourable and not so honourable ways. i am tired of this hatred and fear machine (social media). I can sometimes be mindful of it, but I guess I have fallen to the trap in such threads before. I might have spoken here without really contemplating beforehand. But that was sort of the problem. I see this video here as a part of the social media sensationalism, fear and anger machine, getting more likes, popularity for igniting conflict. I understand conflict is in human nature, but still, this kind of conflict is getting old. And that's what I like about the AI image technology movement, at least the image they present of themselves, of them being against "web 2.0 ways of using AI". I like how David Holz, the main guy of Midjourney, said last time in their "Office Hours" that the main and biggest threat from AI at the moment still is what the social media recommendation algorithms are doing - those that thrive on extremist and conflict igniting content. He used an example that has been used before, but seems relevant to people - of how social media algorithms pretty much got Trump elected. Trump's campaign managers had a better understanding of how social media algorithms favour sensationalist "content" that allowed his ads to spread reportedly ten times as far for the same money as Hillary's campaigns, because of these algorithms. It is also quite known these algorithms guide people to more extremist views in different areas, guiding people into flat-earth, "antivax" and other such groups. That is how much of "art" today is created. Different types of "artists" trying to please some algorithms that promote extremist views, hyperbole, sensationalism. When I replied out of emotion I fell to the same trap of course, this video is sensationalist, playing on audience's anger and fears to get more followers, likes and ultimately money. Not probably only the fault of the creator, this is the normal way of doing things, algorithms guide creators and artists to do that kind of content. The positive I see about the AI image creation is the aspect of giving the power of AI to a regular user for a change, for someone that usually is a puppet of social media manipulation algorithms that guide them towards sensationalism, baseless hyperboles and the like - the "art" of today. (it is usually called just "content" though, but it has aspects of art about it and it is an art to a large degree created by sensationalism fuelling AI social media recommendation algorithms and artists that are slaves to those algorithms) Of course there will be negative sides to the image creation technology, as there always are with every new technology, but at the moment, it is sort of a breath of fresh air, compared to the AI created fear mongering dystopia that the usual Ai solutions on social media platforms are creating, and to me it seems this video is a product of that traditional type of Ai art as well.

This topic made me really sad. I felt tremendous sadness in my chest but I can't explain it in words. So people don't really understand why I am feeling this way.

@samankucher5117

Жыл бұрын

i understand. i have it to they literally stole the art of millions of artists without and used it without their consent ro replace them .

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Don't. Make your art like you always did, enjoy it. That is the whole point. We'll find a way. :)

@SatanenPerkele

Жыл бұрын

A.I art is great. It will push traditional art to become more valued and popular! The discrimination towards traditional art is finally ending! 😁👍

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

@@SatanenPerkele That's a good hope....We'll see...

@michaeltyshchuk3885

Жыл бұрын

i understand. this topic makes me feel extreme existential dread too.

"You are just a tool" The hubris is astonishing.

@CousinPaddy

Жыл бұрын

If someone told me as an artist I am “just a tool” I would slug em.

@yumeyuki1944

Жыл бұрын

@@CousinPaddy I mean... I'm a musician myself, but I can't be mad about statements like that. To us our art is a something special, but to other people... not necessarily. They enjoy the outcome. If someone idolizes the artist, it's because they enjojed his craft first, not the other way around. We are just a tool with personality, that only very dedicated fans will actually care about (see idol culture).

@vinncentuntiedt5851

Жыл бұрын

Chances are, when you are getting paid, you are someone's tool.

@joelrobinson5457

Жыл бұрын

Legit fight me now mode

@bigorstojanov184

Жыл бұрын

@@vinncentuntiedt5851 Chances are, when you are getting paid, you are someone's employee. That's what is called. You are a human, not an inanimate object. Jesus, how have we come to normalize such dehumanizing points of view?

I'm going to continue doing art no matter where AI goes. For me art really helped my depression and its really one of the few things I'm good at. I just can't not draw. It's an integral part of my identity. I can't say whether this means there will be fewer art jobs in the future. But with the push to automate everything, I don't see how it is possible to support a society if literally no one is working and the tax base isn't there to support the proposed UBI that's supposed to be the solution to all this.

@LowestofheDead

Жыл бұрын

There's a similar alternative that doesn't rely on UBI. As automation advances, we could have relatively cheap robots that can build farms, houses and solar panels. Once the necessities of life are dirt-cheap, you barely need UBI. Automation could give us a Basic _Outcome_

@TheJester-ct5pi

Жыл бұрын

People will always create art, it's just going to transition from being a source of revenue for a lot of people, to strictly a hobby. What concerns me is that the world's global ruling economic and political elite will eventually deem humans as more of a liability than an asset, and seek to replace us all with AI and other various forms of technology to solve climate change, growing inequality, unrest, etc.

@andouwilliam3680

Жыл бұрын

@@MultiArtStyleTWT "it takes a lot of skill" lol

@pavelkunc

Жыл бұрын

@@MultiArtStyleTWT Yes it is intended to replace artists, tech bros who develop it don't give a crap about art.

@flushjackson9545

Жыл бұрын

@@LowestofheDead Yes, this is a possibility for all those that live through "the great change". Make no mistake, rearranging the social order of the world may very well annihilate humanity. Look no further than the current tyrants and large strokes of the brush they paint and how the world over struggles with battling the insanely powerful few. You can paint a very dark portrait of that future you described.

So, I'm a writer, not an artist, but like a lot of you, AI is coming for my job. My position is, if I'm going out, I'd like to go out making awesome things with people I like and value human creativity. That means you lot. :) I intend to take Jake's advice seriously over the coming months and try to get better at connecting online. Hopefully we can all help each other.

We are the storytellers, not machines. The best thing we can do to compete with AI art is think of new worlds, new stories and new journeys. AI art has exploited the weaknesses of an industry but not the artists. Trends will come and go. We can break trends. AI cannot. I think it's awesome artists are fighting back. Visual artists should be respected on the same level as music artists; despite the wide gap in public popularity, copyright law is the same. I imagine the concept art field will allow AI in the future, but a true artist will always make up something new. It'll be hard for me to respect an artist who uses a machine to handle all the inputs. I will support game and movie makers who do not exploit artists through AI.

@yumeyuki1944

Жыл бұрын

"AI cannot." Yes it can : ) They're bad, but they'll get better eventually.

@Apu-L

Жыл бұрын

@@yumeyuki1944 yea it can a lot and will, but i have a question what about style? you have everyday new artists that do very different styles and if AI won't learn from their art then it can't really recreate it and to be completely honest there always will be style AI won't do. (might be similar but not the same) But that's just a little drop in the ocean with AI and i don't know how much it matters.

@yumeyuki1944

Жыл бұрын

@@Apu-L who says future ai wont be able to create styles?

@estacion7386

Жыл бұрын

@@Apu-L Most IA features are behind paywalls, stop freaking out. Its probally cheaper to contact an artist that paying just to learn the propper promts you wanna make xD

@Apu-L

Жыл бұрын

@@yumeyuki1944 because it works based on other people art on already something existing

i am depressed and i have lost faith in humanity. i am just 15, but for like 8 years my biggest dream was to one day become a comics artist and i have been consistently practicing and learning for that dream. for the last couple weeks i can`t even force my self to lift the pencil, because it awakes existential dread in me, how years and years of practice my are now technically worthless, it takes me hours to create a piece and my works are inferior to ones a mindless robot makes in seconds. and i don`t belive any of the stuff you said can save us. unless we(humanity) voluntarily give up making AI art, which is extremely unlikely, i think creativity will be no more. and it`s not kust imagery, AIs will be making all kinds of art soon... i don`t even know what to do anymore, the only thing i have evr enjoyed doing is now lost.. or at leastt will soon be

@Gyork_

Жыл бұрын

Like he said comic artists are pretty much safe from ai you can definitely use it to help up speed your process though. Comic books have never been about rendering abilities. As long as you have a decent style it works, visual storytelling through panelling and composition is waaaay more important and that's something AI can't come up with on its own.

@thunderwatch8463

Жыл бұрын

Hey there, really hope you read this. I'm gonna echo what Gyorkland said. AI presents an INSANE amount of potential for streamlining the comic creation process. If you're an Indie creator who is isn't collaborating with anyone or can't afford to pay someone to work with you, it takes long hours to get just a little bit done on your own. I think AI is gonna help a lot of aspiring comic and manga creators. Obviously, you need to have a good understanding of the fundamentals, so continue to practice. The images generated by AI are not perfect. Sometimes manual modifications needs to be done, and someone who isn't an artist isn't going to know how to fix it.

@Philosophy.and.Tostitos

Жыл бұрын

Hey, Michael. :) Keep making art. AI art should actually be called "AI art theft". It's stolen pixel patterns put in a blender to the tune of an algorithm. Only humans can make real art. Expressing keen insights on concrete, specific experiences is the quintessential human thing. Imagine if every single artist in the world stopped creating art "because AI can do it". Within a generation, art as a discipline - the ability to use our brains to represent the world and tell visual stories - would be lost to the human race, leaving humanity with only the cheapest possible imitation of it instead. Now that would be truly dystopian. It'd be like chopping off your own legs so you can haul yourself around in high-tech crutches forever. Listen, your own unique art style is something only YOU can bring to the table. You can create value for people and society in ways AI can't; if you were a professional artist today, and I needed an art piece made, I would commission YOU for that piece even if I could just as easily turn to Midjourney. There'll always be an audience for you, and there'll always be people who'll understand the value of art made by humans.

@thatonesaiyan6309

Жыл бұрын

​@@Gyork_ i'd like that to be the case, making comics is also my dream. but looking at this technology and saying "it cant do this aspect" would be like looking at alexander graham bell's first telephone and trying to predict what the iphone 15 can and can't do. about a year ago, dall e couldnt even do faces, and now ai generated images are at a point where theyre indistinguishable from human art. its developing really fast. not only that, but the author of the comic books is also at risk of losing his job because ai is also encroaching on that field. i dont think there is any hope for human artists unless this stuff starts being heavily regulated. we need to get this stuff on the radars of our politicians and let them know that we want restrictions put on its development and usage. which is still kind of a shot in the dark, because politicians dont really care about the will of the people anymore, but its still our best shot as far as i'm concerned.

@thatonesaiyan6309

Жыл бұрын

@@thunderwatch8463 thats short sighted. the direction this stuff is going, the ai will be making its own comic books and oversaturating the market. it doesnt matter if you're able to free up your workload if the ai creates 50 more comics just like yours before you can even finish it. sorry, but embracing the technology is out of the question if you want your work to be of any significance or to give you any sense of fulfillment.

I used to think having a defined "style" wasn't necessary for illustration. That an illustrator could adapt their style to meet client needs and be just fine. With AI-generated art on the rise, a defined style appears to be crucial if you want to make this a career choice. People need to see "you" in the art and you need to be making art that ONLY you can create, if that makes sense.

@BlueCollarDev

Жыл бұрын

You can train the AI on a custom data set to rip off styles, or even take more than one style that you've trained the AI to emulate and merge them together to mix different styles in much the same way an up and coming artist may take elements from multiple established artists to try to make their own unique look. You save those trained styles to different files then easily switch back and forth as you please. The only time consuming part is the training process, which is a skill in itself, and you can compose an AI project piecemeal as well. For context on my perspective, I'm a former professional graphic designer (emphasis on advertising) who now runs a service industry company. I also have a local installation of Stable Diffusion and have been modifying it and learning to use it for my own purposes for the past few days. With intentional effort to learn to use, it's something that you can absolutely use to meld concepts and use for inspiration in my opinion. The main thing that I've learned is that making things like UI elements is trivial now.

@Optable

Жыл бұрын

@@BlueCollarDev Not exactly. It can get close. I've been running both Stable and Mj fully up to date since release. There are great applications for these tools though. Putting everything together from concept of idea to finished product ready for all use is a system that takes mastery of its own. One off album covers are one thing. Putting all the pieces together is a whole new set of skills. The way I see it is for all masters to use these tools to brainstorm and determine mood and setting for concepts or scenes, a baseline of where things could be headed. It gives so many a freedom to storyboard and pitch small and large ideas like no other.

@BlueCollarDev

Жыл бұрын

@@Optable I've personally seen some amazingly consistent hypernetwork results. Going through the trouble is obviously not as fast as just an out of the box prompt with Stable Diffusion, but some pretty significant strides have been made since NovelAI's build was leaked to the public.

@TheCephalus

Жыл бұрын

I think there is going to be an emergent market selling styles to AI model makers in the future. and if you don't have your own style and are just copying then why not simply jump over and start using AI?

@BlueCollarDev

Жыл бұрын

@@TheCephalus the local install crowd is unlikely to spend money on styles when you consider how they're made. Depending on your hardware configuration, installing the software is harder than creating a hypernetwork. Also, there's a publicly available library of free .ckpt files that are trained on various styles already.

When i saw the CEO's response in the article, i was furious. But i guess the general public won't give a damn as long as they get their "progress", and instant gratification machines.

@TheCephalus

Жыл бұрын

I think he meant to say that we should not be tools, and I agree with that. A lot of our work is mechanical and it's not supposed to be like that. I want to use my creative mind and not be restricted by physical limitations. For example, I paint with acrylic instead of oil because I really do not want to wait 2-3 days for an oil layer to dry before I can paint another. And a large portion of my paintings will never finish because my mind works faster than my hands, and I want to start on new creative ideas.

One of the generator’s other weaknesses is it relies on uploaded online image to scrape (if the supply is reduced...), whereas a human can be informed by all aspects of their environment

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@ProBootyEater

Жыл бұрын

I see you a lot in the comments of ai vids 👋

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

​@@ProBootyEater Did you mean me or the OP? There are matters that affect directly the fields I work in. It is rare, but when I see stuff that might mean a point of no return in our field and careers, I do intervene. :)

Hey, Jake. Secondary school art teacher here. Still teaching with traditional methods and a bit of Procreate, I keep on telling my pupils to draw and create with eyes, brain and heart. Supporting your fight!!!!! Lots of love from Spain.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Same here! (from Spain, too, also)

@shortbreadcookie

Жыл бұрын

“Create with eyes, brain and heart” I love that

@HalkerVeil

Жыл бұрын

Real artists use any medium available to them. They don't care about the process, they care about their vision being projected the way they want it. Vermeer used the camera obscura to paint his masterworks. Do you teach the kids that? Gatekeepers are being exposed and the sophism for socialism is clear.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

​@@HalkerVeil Nah... Art is done by the deep understanding of reality. If you don't have the foundations, then you didn't analyze (properly) reality in every form, shape, shred of light, color, etc. you can't extract a good "conclusion" (be it stylized or not). We are not gate keeping (we can't, actually) _other artists_ to create their work, as "prompt engineers" will just be type a few sentences (just like when a client commissions an artists and delivers to her/him a description of what is the gig), that is not making art, no matter how one is willing to put it. Also, the Vermeer example is a good point in favor of this fight against AI. As AI is not a tool for artists, is a replacement of artists. We use tools every day (Photoshop, Rebelle, Krita, Corel Painter, etc). Despite the the camera obscura usage, Vermeer had to paint every single brush stroke.

@HalkerVeil

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons And splattering paint on a canvas randomly IS art? lol Some even let their cats walk on canvas and call it art. What's next? Clicking a camera with the simple input of an Fstop and ISO setting isn't art? "Artists" lost the argument before it began with their own expression and need of freedom to classify anything as art. And NOW you have a problem with it? I am enjoying the hypocrisy. It's making for so much great content on my main channel.

I'm glad that Inktober was created by this nice person because I like taking part in it. I couldn't follow otherwise. He brings us together once a year and always has a few inspirational words like these. Thank you Jake !

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Jake created Inktober?? WOW.

@Davethawave1999

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons Hmm... Not sure if being sarcastic 🤔

@user-yg6ki7ou2y

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't he accused of plagiarism?

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

@@Davethawave1999 Er... I wasn't

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

​@@user-yg6ki7ou2y Who?? Jake? It wouldn't match in a single bit with his line of work in this channel through so long time, in the slightest (it's crazy that I didn't know he created inktober, tho). I've followed this channel for years and Jake's advice is always spot on (and am not a regular, neither a fan nor a simp), and always being very thoughtful about the people learning, about how can he help the best and really hitting the nail in matters (even non technical, or specially the non technical) where artists struggle the most, but very few individuals have given this advice so effectively, in such a really useful matter. This is very hard to find. That and a lot more wouldn't make sense at all with such thing. I recon I am always very unaware of 'drama' (and deeply dislike how fast people is to believe any negative rumor about a person, way more than the positive ones), and am even unaware about very popular matters in my field. I have never participated in Inktober, so, that could be it, too. I have just now looked at the case... Nope, it does not seem to be plagiarism, many differences, and they are both teaching very basic fundamentals that can't be told very different. Just like if I teach kids how a multiplication table works, I'd be telling them 2x3 = 6 , 2x4= 8... Another author would have to say it very similar to this, because again, these are fundamentals, there's not much more way around it. Layouts were different, treatment is different. The order must be very similar, by necessity! As you need to learn these basic concepts in order, or your students will have problems with a bad learning path. Several accusations of the plagiarism is due to just TERMS!. This is ... sorry... but absurd. "Cross hatching" is a technique that is simply called that, here and in Australia. Stroke control, not many more words to list it (as yep, many complaints are about simply using the same terms that are used in every art school or college). "Varying your stroke" or "varying your line quality" is just the a,b,c of any professional inker, and super common in any serious book about the matter. Using always those exact words. Heck, when inking digitally, you configure your brushes to emulate this to perfection, first thing you do to whatever the software you wish to use for inking. And we typically refer to that with these terms. In every single tutorial on internet. As an important detail, Dunn's video is not anymore in his channel (or extremely well hidden). Sometimes artists do this to others to gain audience with the drama. Other times, it's that there's some personal issue from the past. And other times, and I think this could be the case, a person, with no ill intent, can make a mistake and perceive more than there is, seeing plagiarism where there is not (which I think is what Dunn did). The problem is the damage caused to the public image of the other person. I don't see plagiarism. Indeed... quite not the case. At all. From what I am seeing in Dunn's channel, and what I know since a very long time about this one, these are two fantastic artists and teachers, I would suggest anyone to enjoy the content of both.

It’s funny because for decades now I’ve been averse to signing my artwork. I always felt it was egotistical, or something. Now I feel like wow, not only do I want to sign my printed art, but maybe add little flourishes to whatever I sign.

I've been reading articles, stories, and youtube videos of A.I art and it's been extremely depressing especially with option 1, these popular artists are trying to make light of the situation with the solution "Just use it as a base and fix the rest" which btw, no because I'm going through college to create, not to fix. And these "A.I artists" have the attitude of "Well you're just salty cause it's progress" no, I'm just sad cause I'm a digital artist that wants to do illustration, freelancing, and concept art and you're taking away my chances for a future with a few clicks on a mouse

@cesar4729

Жыл бұрын

"Taking Away *your* chances." Yes, in exchange for everyone being able to exploit new possibilities. Does that bother you? Do you think you are more important than the general benefit? The truth, the self-centeredness of some is something...

@dannieamme8180

Жыл бұрын

The " Possiblities " and "General Benefit" will be Forgetable Memes ,A sea of cheap AI art and No respect for the Creativity of humans themselves .ntm a Dumbing down of the public itself.

@cesar4729

Жыл бұрын

@@dannieamme8180 It's ironic how few see that human creativity is now within AI. Centuries and centuries of creation and ideas, united and with the ability to combine them freely, the limit is the imagination, no longer a brush or a pencil. Do you think you are more creative than all of humanity? That you are going to do something more unique and superior than the union of all that creativity that you defend so much? In the end, every day I become more convinced that what most artists defend is their vain ego, and not respect for human creativity. If they did, they wouldn't be looking down on AI in the first place.

@kupotenshi

Жыл бұрын

@@cesar4729 the losers who use AI don't have a creative bone in their body, that's why they need to rely on a tool. Don't suck yourself off too hard :)

@cesar4729

Жыл бұрын

@@kupotenshi AI user = Loser without creativity. The deepest and most intelligent conclusion you have come to? In terms of creativity, that's really embarrassing. Let's not talk about maturity.🤦🏻‍♂️

As a developer, every other developer is saying they can replace the artist, but I know well it couldn't happen because the AI they use is pretty shitty. (I made an AI generate music back then, so I know how they work very well.) So they can never make a new art style; they will always end up mimicking the same style. And I know art is not simple as that. But I'm glad artists are getting attention and fighting back. People always treated artists really shitty. At least music has basic laws and systems to protect them, and people always focus on musicians more than paint artists. They don't notice that they live a good life because of all these artists. Even without AI art, paint art always had many problems, and no system or law could protect them. I hope artists fight together against AI and the world tries to ignore and abuse them. And take back the rights they deserve with all those beautiful art crafts they made. You will never get replaced now or these days, so work hard with your beautiful art.

@ShawnFumo

Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure how you’re saying it can’t make a new style? Maybe not something truly truly unique, but almost all new styles are combinations of different other influences? If you combine three artists’ styles in a certain weighting that has never been done before, how is it that not a new style in its own way?

@Spiritbox12

Жыл бұрын

@@ShawnFumo because styles has flavor when human does it compared to "soul-less" machine

@Spiritbox12

Жыл бұрын

@@ShawnFumo it's like making an AI sing from a combination of three singers, who wants to see AI without emotions, who would want to see AI play chess rather than humans.

@artavenuebln

Жыл бұрын

"So they can never make a new art style; they will always end up mimicking the same style." You can. YOu just have to describe it well. it's 16.01.2023. You will probably disagree with me. But people already invented a spaghetti western style with spaghetti, ... in one month from now, i will be more right. in 3 month way way more. People in the future will be able to tell the AI even how to do brush strokes.

@billyliar1614

11 ай бұрын

@@ShawnFumo Art is not quite so simple as Picasso plus Dali equals Pali. Michaelangelo plus Da Vinci equals Da Minci . True art can't be quantified in that way - this isn't true art, it's synthetic pap. Do we really want to debase our culture in such a way that we remove the very thing - the soul - which touches us ?

Ever since this topic blew up earlier this year, AI art has been lowkey on my mind constantly, worrying the heck out of me, subconsciously influencing every project, every post, every step I take in my creative career. You have no idea how much I needed to hear all this - Beautifully articulated thoughts, as always. Really enjoy every video you make, even if you only upload like twice a year, no worries, we will wait! Thanks, Jake 😊 Laz

Honestly, I've been afraid of AI against artists ever since it caught traction. It's to the point that I get discouraged to even make art. I find it difficult to post stuff on my socials due to lack of motivation. But I'm gonna take these pointers and fight against it!

@Lissbirds

Жыл бұрын

Keep going and making art!

@thestellarelite

Жыл бұрын

Same here! I've been bouncing between "there's no point" and "screw it I"m making art anyway" ever since it started lol. I hope you keep going! It's very hard with social media being such a fickle landscape too but I think focusing on the art is where it's at and the rest will just fall into place. This is what all the successful people say anyway lol

@just_for_funarts9905

Жыл бұрын

Same here, going to push quality of what I do. Also I do think its important to regroup. I don't think I a mistaken if I'll say more than 10 million people worldwide depend on art to get their living. Can you think what would happen if we all regroup!

@coldfries47

Жыл бұрын

I've been practing 5 hours a day for the past year and it made me wonder if it was worth it at all but lets try and fight it together

@jakeoglesby6758

Жыл бұрын

Keep going!!

Fun fact, after spend some time understanding the IA models, prompts and stuff, I felt encouraged to go back to my digital painting studies. because some IA results has a good rendering quality but the proportion, lighting, angles are all messed up, so even to fix these problems in a coherent way, you must have a good art foundation. So my advice to the young and old inspiring artist is to don't give up, study more the basics, composition, gesture figures, storytelling, this is what connect people with art and is what will be a real problem for the IA many years from now

@ShawnFumo

Жыл бұрын

One thing that I don’t see people talking about is using AI as an entryway into building non-AI skills. I’ve been in AI image chat rooms and for people that stick with it, I see a lot of learning about different artists and styles and thinking about composition, etc. Like there is a diff between a photographer taking a million pictures and getting lucky with an amazing shot vs knowing what is going on being purposeful with their photography. In a similar way, it can get frustrating if you want a particular result with AI that it won’t do or isn’t consistent. Maybe learning to paint seems too scary but you start to learn retouching and combining images in photoshop, doing color correction, etc. And I bet in the future there will be much more control where you can tell the AI to make the person’s hair 5% redder, move the cup over an inch, etc. The more control you have, the more that fundamental art knowledge becomes important.

As a machine learning engineer and as an artist I feel very conflicted because the technology is really cool and exciting and advancements like these help strengthen and grow the field and we learn a lot from them. On the other hand it had to train on billions of images of other peoples art, which was subjectively annotated by people who didn't make it and won't always understand it. It was also usually and probably not something that was asked of the artists if they had permission to use their art to train the models so of course the art pieces generated by the models look like a lot of artists styles because it is their styles. It would be unfortunate if artists ended up just becoming paid prompt engineers and lose sight of what makes art special in the first place. The one thing they really do have though is consistency, they can continually go out and generate as many pieces as demanded and not get tired or artist block or any of the other issues that plague our work flows, but it's entirely impersonal.

@eurasiaacaci.-110

Жыл бұрын

This a huge battle not only for these poor artist but also the rest of us, even you, how will stop Microsoft in pursuing co-pilot who also (using data from it users) to a point that majority of coders are not needed anymore? And judging to what is happening now, I don’t think we actually wanted to know the answer.

@darkzeroprojects4245

Жыл бұрын

this is all it is....Cuz its cool we get it pushed for. It's absolutely one of my reasons for hate of modern era.

@leogirl6695

Жыл бұрын

I think this is malpractice. Ai can be great if the intention behind it is pure. We can use our intelligence to help society or to create new issues.

@glowtail3744

Жыл бұрын

I'm more animator then artist to see honest but I much prefer ai as a means of rendering and assisting instead of out right creating it just like how ai is used in 3d animation which I pretty much ignore the computer interpolation because I like torturing myself but for others who aren't me the ai in 3d animation is very helpful.

@eurasiaacaci.-110

Жыл бұрын

@@glowtail3744 keep in mind that we humans have created the perfect infringement apparatus, meaning if you will not protect your data, not matter what it is the algorithm will make things you love much better, faster and in a fraction of the cost you will ever be. Its not if but when, if not stop it will be sooner.

I see this as the same as when the drum machine was introduced to modern music and drummers thought there wouldn’t be work for them anymore. Well instead both learned how to co-exist. And real drummers in pop music are always preferred for touring , why? Because of that human touch to the instrument! The feel, the groove, it’s the human imperfections that make great music, and human imperfections that will continue to make great art.

@magen6233

Жыл бұрын

^This, this, this and this, 400% this.

@eurasiaacaci.-110

Жыл бұрын

Because people value music the process more than the output, that is why sports, chess are still safe. On the other hand art is the opposite, and extremely so how submissive they are compared to musicians.

@Sean-fs1sg

Жыл бұрын

@@eurasiaacaci.-110 Art isn't the opposite at all... Infact it embodies the very thing you claim protects sport and chess. You know why a Rembrandt is worth what it is? I'll give you a clue, it's not because of what's on the sheet of canvas.

great vid! i think a couple things, if you want to draw for other people (companies) you'll have huge competition with each passing month and will eventually be replaced by one art director and a handfull of production people that create AI art for companies, and can do corrections. spot illustration, and design stuff first, then eventually comics etc (if there's an audience to sustain marvel DC in the future. best things we can do as artists that can't be replaced is creator owned material. something an audience can only get from you. also, create stories with a personality. personality can't be replicated and is something fans gravitate towards and come back to over only eye candy. storytelling with distinct personality... mike mignola, doug tennapel, sergio aragones etc. build an audience for you, your style, your personality, a brand, get on a bunch of platforms because each will crumble. two things that will help keep AI in check, prevent servers from uploading copywritten art (like youtube wont accept vids with music in the background) and make human created art something special to support, like farmers markets and small book stores. if you give an audience something they can only get from your 'table' you can eventually make a living because we have less overhead and middle men than big companies. ❤🤟

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, very well put. These were part of my conclusions. One another is that, seeing the stable diffusion technique, how it creates stuff.. these are "glorified mixers..." they are not really capable to create anatomy correctly! (yeah, they might reach that, but are super far from it) or repeat a same character. So, if in illustration, I'd gravitate more towards interior illustrations with characters in it, than over covers (which are one offs, and can be in a random style). And yes, people love uniqueness, and authenticity. This is why hipsters revived the 19th century aesthetics, why vintage is a huge thing in market places, why steampunk literally exists, why artisans can yet find their niche in the market (heck, why Etsy even exists..!), and is not just from the 21 and 20th century... The Romantic movement (18th century) already did look back to other times with nostalgia... It is a human thing. With a society growing in materialism, and a lack of "soul", people do gravitate to their human side, again, and again, the "colder" society gets, the stronger this need is. SO.... kind of... I am not worried, at all. BUT YEAH, we needda work harder... honestly, we always did, and this is kind of the right kick in the butt to wake up!

@adamarcher7847

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons yep great points

@oddconcoction5162

Жыл бұрын

The big key issue people keep overlooking is "for now". Ai is getting better and better at a much faster rate than anyone thought plausible a year ago. Midjourney just released an Alpha of their Version 4 and it's already leaps and bounds ahead of V2 and V3 that I started out using mere months ago. Just wait until they remove the need to text prompt ! No artists needed !

@Rubbish_

Жыл бұрын

AI will be able to write its own stories as they were text generators before image generators and save each prompt written into them. Eventually it’ll be an infinite flow of art from many different algorithms. However those are still not truly creative stories, true creativity can only come from our own sentient minds.

@banned0404

Жыл бұрын

Honestly, I wouldn't buy a game that have no credits to who made the artworks and if its made by If the game uses ai art or ai thing. It really shows that the game is nothing more than a low quality generic corporations money maker. Either way, using ai arts/musics/story in games just shows/imply that it's a generic trash game.

I dunno, Jake. This is a tough one but in my opinion, I feel like studio jobs are going to quickly start evaporating. The studio's just want to make money as fast as possible. This means AI art is faster and cheaper than hiring or outsourcing a bunch of work to artists. I'm sure they'll have a group of creative decision-makers, but going forward there wont really be a need for indivivudals who have studied and trained all their lives to create art, since the computer will literally allow them to create anything they want with a click of a button. I will say though, this perhaps strengthins the case for traditional (handmade) artwork and the overal desire for it. As for me, I believe I'll be leaning more into this path here.

@knp33

Жыл бұрын

@Moon Child yes it does. I was more talking about creating a one of a kind original

I'm no artist (just a big Missile Mouse fan!) but this all makes sense to me. Thank you for championing genuine, manmade art in the 21st century!

The student using AI art was in a class run by my instructor Katherine Lam! I saw them re-posting that student's art on Instagram and sent them a message breaking down why I thought it was AI art. It's so frustrating to see AI infiltrating classes and stock image sites. I hope that there will be legislation and restriction placed on it soon

Even before the AI art generators became a thing I was bothered by how as commercial artist you're basically craftsman with some very limited creative input. I agree we're not really tools but you really have to go through some mental gymnastics to explain that. The thing is when I was starting to draw as a hobbyist, exploring my own ideas was important component that kind of got left behind as I began working for others. Part of the drive and motivation was also trying create some visuals where there is some story behind them but then you end up in a project that has completely no story and it's just ends up being totally uninspiring. Another problem is nature of digital art. It's not physical which makes it hard to sell on it's own so it has to be applied to something. Now, making your own comicbook is a nice idea but I was always drawn to games so for me natural progression would be probably becoming a indie developer. It is really a steep learning curve especially when you don't have coding experience but I am still giving it a shot. Even if I don't really make anything good out of this it's still going to be nice skill for game studios where you can be both technical and artistic.

@notimetothink6786

Жыл бұрын

by game dev do you mean a coder or a game artist? either way stability ai has plans to cover both in the works. even the storytelling and music deps.

@eurasiaacaci.-110

Жыл бұрын

@@notimetothink6786 game companies would be a fool to not stop that.

in my opinion the thing with people who use ai art is they dont know what artistry is . like for example if an ai artist who didnt study art for years they just tweaking until it look good in their eyes but an artist eye and perspective is different which is the thing that i learned after a year of study . every normal people know how to observe but an artist observation skill is way beyond a normal person they know what is missing in a photo ,what can they add to make it look better or atleast a small tweak that create a big change into a simple drawing . so if they show us those ai art we can say its beautiful or it look good but in the back of our head there is always a word that saying "it can be better" artist has satisfaction but if they can go beyond of what they can do they will do it without hesitation .

The only thing I'm gonna do is to become twice as better as AI

@alexanderquiero9399

Жыл бұрын

You have a fu23ing fury in your avatar.. Youre already lower than any bum from the street Baby you cant ❤

@ghostcomodo

Жыл бұрын

@@alexanderquiero9399 we'll see

This is why the plug needs to be completely pulled on A.I. This madness has gone too far and needs to be brought to a complete halt.

@Edinburghdreams

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, kill it with fire.

@Josephkerr101

Жыл бұрын

~good luck~

I'm grateful for your perspective. People aren't fans of Magnus Carlsen because he's the best entity at chess but because he's one of the best humans at chess, and that's more interesting to follow. We can relate to a human working hard and becoming better at their craft. It's a familiar story and an aspirational one. We can't relate to the story of a computer playing a billion chess games in two days. By putting your work online, even your mediocre work, then over time, you are telling the human story of your hard work and growth. And people respond to that and are moved to cheer you on. (Note to self to do this more.)

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Exactly.

@kayakMike1000

Жыл бұрын

Carlsen is a bit hurt looser who accused someone of cheating when he lost.

@eragon78

Жыл бұрын

Well yea, but that doesnt mean we also turn around and hate Chess engines. Stockfish or Leela are still impressive and play beautiful chess that people enjoy all the time. We DO still appreciate human players more, but my point is that how people are treating AI art is differently. Its not like "Human art I enjoy more because of the struggle the human went through to create it, but AI art is also appreciable" but rather, people are saying AI art is evil or bad simply because it wasnt made by a human. Regardless of how the art actually looks, people just hate on AI art. But I think thats wrong. While obviously the human element is very important in how someone may appreciate art, I dont think that its the ONLY element. Art can have lots of appealing qualities independently of who created it, and I dont think its wrong to appreciate that art for what it is. Similar to how one can appreciate a game of Stockfish Vs AlphaZero and find beauty in that play as well. Basically, im just saying that I think too many people irrationally just hate on AI art. I do think that human art is still very valuable and the human aspect adds a lot to the appreciation of art, but I dont think that invalidates AI art from being art or anything.

@da47934

Жыл бұрын

@@eragon78 I hear you and agree. My comment was more about what a human artist can do to garner appreciation. Or to show that humans will still appreciate human art because it was made by a human they enjoy following. (I was basically just echoing/giving an example of what Jake said in the video.) The people hating on AI art seem to be professional artists. Makes sense because it can now do things better and faster than many of them-for free. Art appreciators have no skin in the game; they have nothing to lose, only more art to gain. Amateur artists having nothing to lose either; they weren't competing in the first place. It's the same with artisans during the industrial revolution. I'm a UX designer. AI will come for my job soon enough. It's already started with developers, doctors, lawyers, telemarketers. Software is eating the world. The Luddite movement repeats itself all the time. People who stand to lose their livelihood resist the revolution. And who can blame them? It is interesting to see AI doing things that for years we've said computers just can't beat humans at doing: Go, art, copywriting. I'm sure there's AI music out there that's pretty good. My only complaint with all this is that the artists who made the original art which these AIs used to learn isn't credited or compensated. It feels unethical. That said, humans learn art by practicing art by other artists in (kind of) exactly the same way. So the argument that it's unethical doesn't hold up. Still, I feel for professional artists. That said, I had a team lunch today where we all made a Thanksgiving craft. I used DALLE-2 to generate images of "Thanksgiving with Captain America on Mars" and recreated my favorite ideas with construction paper.

@eragon78

Жыл бұрын

@@da47934 Oh ok yea, I fully agree with what youre saying yea. Human artist still have a niche to offer that AI art doesnt cover. No matter how good or expansive AI art becomes, there will always be that Niche that exists because people like to see humans creating stuff even if its outclassed by a computer. And yea, I do think its fair that professional artist feel threatened by AI because it can hurt their revenue stream, the only Issue I have is that I think a lot of them are short sighted in the sense that this has happened many times before with many other professions, just like you mentioned, and yet they dont seem to mind those advancements. Just seems a bit hypocritical to me. But yea, I DO get the frustration because art seemed like a fairly protected occupation at least when it comes to AI displacement, but as AI improves, it seems no job humans do is truly safe from AI automation. But I personally like to think of that as ultimately a good thing. It may have complications in the process of the transition, but the end result of AI being able to do all the stuff for humans means that humans can instead focus their efforts on stuff they actually want to do for the appreciation or enjoyment of the activity itself rather than because they feel a need to for monetary gain. Its just the process of getting there is unpleasant for a variety of reasons. But thats more of a critique on society imo rather than the technology.

As an artist the most important thing I can put into my work is emotion, AI cannot do that. It might create a work of art, but it does not want to create it.

@christophemortier5878

Жыл бұрын

Emotion in art is overrated, you feel the emotion when creating the art, but nobody else does except if they are faking it.

@mnmmnmm

Жыл бұрын

@@christophemortier5878 said like a true non-artist trying to sound like they know better than actual artists; you won't understand unless you make art yourself

@megamaster0

Жыл бұрын

@@christophemortier5878 so you've never felt anything watching a movie, reading a comic, or even hearing a story from a loved one? Would you be driven to draw something without feeling like doing it? Also, I don't know of a single AI model that has not been fed photography and art that was created by people with emotion.

As a law student I feel like there can be solutions with copyright. The point of copyright is to incentivize ingenuity and creativity. Considering that the products of AI imagery seems to be de-incentivizing human artists to be creative, I can see an argument being made that there should be some legal reform. There’s a lawsuit right now about OpenAI’s Co-Pilot program since it basically uses code from github to generate code for a specific purpose

@andrujames3705

Жыл бұрын

ChatGPT can write entire novels and doctoral thesis within seconds that are indistinguishable from human writers. We gonna ban those too? Within 15 years there wont be a single “job” left on earth. AI will automate everything. And that’s a good thing.

@tuthures5824

Жыл бұрын

Intelectual property shouldn't exist

@piousthepious

Жыл бұрын

@@tuthures5824 1) It’s in the constitution so too bad and 2) some people, like small time artists, should enjoy the fruits of their labor if they’re passionate about it

@piousthepious

Жыл бұрын

@@andrujames3705 Never said anything about banning but honestly quite an idea. And no it is not a good thing to automate everything when man derives meaning from doing work. We are not purely machines but neither are we beings made purely for leisure, we’ll deteriorate that way. Real world future is more like Dune than it is like Star Trek.

I'm a novelist, dev, *and* artist who's been in deep development on a CG platform to address the problems with AI, authenticity, and a monetization. I've invested over 2 decades of my life on this project and I think you are totally on point with everything you mentioned; *we're in total sync.* I'll contact you in Q2 of 2023 to get your feedback/input on my solutions. Until then, *Suscribed.*

This is the first time I have felt encouraged during this whole AI art conversation. I’ve felt so hopeless for so long, but now I feel like I can actually do this. Thank you so much for this video.

As a aspiring artist and business owner, I needed to hear this right now. Appreciate YOUR humanity and advice on this. Keep drawing brother!

@udopadrik9971

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but how is this something you needed to hear? It is pretty much the typical social media fear-mongering sensationalism. AI algorithms guide people to make such videos as this one here, to put sensationalist click-baity titles, to get people angry, fearful to get more likes and attention. This is the "traditional" Ai art, AI algorithms of social media guided this man here to create something that will get him more views - sensationalism and fear-mongering. AI algorithms literally guide people to do content such as this here. How is this here not seen as AI-guided content?

People didn't stop playing chess even when the AIs became unbeatables

@mrbananoid

Жыл бұрын

nice one

This isn’t just great info for defending against AI Art, but also getting more into the career field! Thanks a lot, as an aspiring writer and animator, I could use all the help I can get! Art’s always been one of my favorite methods of expressing myself and while I find AI art to be funny in imagining certain scenarios (Walter White at Burger King or something like that), I don’t think it could ever replace living artists who put their passion on canvases of all kinds. They lack the heart and soul that makes art feel wonderful to make and observe!

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

IMO, 2D Animation is in lesser danger (3D is a more dangerous factor). Illustration will suffer the most (specially covers, less so internal pages where a story happens). These tools have a terrible time replicating - understanding- anatomy. very hard to replicate a character in different poses (a same character). SO, IMO, comic and animation will have a few more years without to much threat.

@DigitalCosmos555

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons have you seen Google's text to video ? Ai art was low resolution a year or so ago just like text to video is now. Animation is not safe either

@edkabessa

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons just give AI 5-10 years

@christophemortier5878

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons It's easy to replicate the same character, just retrain the AI with a few generated images from the thousand that looks like the character you want. It's called reverse prompt.

I think AI has a lot of positive potential, but there really needs to be some safeguards. As an artist, I’d be pissed off if people didn’t believe i could actually make that myself

@snowset675

10 ай бұрын

So true

Mr. Parker, artists like you can never be replaced by AI. I just purchased one of your books recently. In every drawing, I see that one little line, that one little quirky shadow you always add, or the hint of wiring or pipes. My thought every time I see those little things my brain says, oh Jake put that there and sometimes I can even imagine you making that pen stroke. They might get close, but you brain will always feel the difference. I that made some sort of sense. Anyway, thank you for continuing to do what you do. 🙂

I feel like people will stop uploading their art online for fear of getting it stolen by AI machines

@komarpaloma

Жыл бұрын

Oh well, i can count the many moments, in which human beings were just blatantly copying original works by others. Getting inspired? Oh yes. But i know many so called artists with zero honour stealing concept _and_ visuals by others. Not new

Unfortunately that's the part that gets me down about all this. Being a "tool" for a few years is usually how one feeds themselves while perfecting a craft. Practice while earning? That would be nice! But for a while now, art seems like a field akin to "rock star." Society derides musicians, but worships the 0.01% deemed fit to survive in their craft by gaining celebrity status. There are no apprenticeships or stepping stones anymore (at least in the US), and Ai widens that gap even further.

Thanks for the info Jake! Just graduated from illustration school about a year or 2 ago and I am working in a graphic design agency while I am trying to figure out what I want to do with my life! Good to know that making a comic in my off time may be the best path to keep taking! Thanks!

Good video, Jake! Thanks for sharing it. For me the saddest part is to see how these AIs are being trained using datasets that contain copyrighted material and most visual artists just accept it like there is nothing we can do about it. I have a hard time trying to understand how a dataset, containing copyrighted material and created by a nonprofit org for "scientist and research purpose", can end up being used by a company to train an AI and make profit from it. I think these data-laundering techniques to bypass copyright shouldn't be allowed.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

The AI "atomizes" it to a level in which they find kind of a legal loophole. But the good news is that I think it is weak (from a legal point of view) , and we are too early to suppose there won't be strong regulations and laws in place. Also, many artists have requested that their art must be removed from the databases. Some commercial tools do not disclose their source (I believe soon will be forced too). But those who are known, have to be open to retire ANY artwork from the database. The more artists doing it, the better. If all would do it, it would only be glorified photo bashers. But we artists are not that great in unionizing and fighting for our rights...

@adamastor9869

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons Lmao. This is a very typical lie that seems to be catching on in the online art community, likely coming from the "The end of art" video by Zapata. AI utilizes other artwork as a reference. It's not utilizing any direct information from the examples given to make its own art. In fact, an entire comic using only slighly edited AI art as been found to be under fair use and was registered to copyright under the name of the person who generated it.

@ShawnFumo

Жыл бұрын

It feels like a gray area in terms of morality to me. In some sense, the AI really is “learning” from art and photos it sees online (vs storing and mashing images), even if it doesn’t have an overall understanding that a human does. So it has a conception of “banana” and some conception of different brush/pen strokes that might get used in a higher concept of a particular art style. So it generally doesn’t remember details so much as how to build things up from scratch. And that is the argument the AI makers use, that you don’t prevent a human from looking at images online and learning from it. Buuut, it is still obviously a different case that the AI isn’t a human and doesn’t have its own motivations. Is it different enough that we should say the images can’t be used to train a machine without permission? Maybe so. Still I think it is going to be a hard road in the long term to stop all of this. There’s a LOT of paintings and photos that are public domain. And you can commission work from an artist that is made to look like a living artist but give it a different name. There might even be ways to analyze characteristics of an artist and feed that into the AI so it makes similar things without ever directly seeing the originals. Plus people can train stuff like Stable Diffusion on a custom set of images on their home computer. How do you prove what images they added on top of the default?

@eurasiaacaci.-110

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons that is slow and pointless, its a kin to the guy giving the shit after his cow have already eaten your plants. The best course is to band up you artist and sue the ai company, especially when the company like stable who have clamped to be non-profit but are clearly not,

@eurasiaacaci.-110

Жыл бұрын

@@adamastor9869 its an explianation not a justification. Like “learn like a human” like yeah so what? Can a non profit sell it though?

I am no programming expert, but computers cannot even generate a random number without first being given a list of numbers to go through. The term "AI art" is a nice way of putting it. Really it's just AI companies stealing from countless artists and then monetizing for their own gains. "AI art" should be shamed.

To fight back? These are nice tips but it's not fighting back, it's just preparing for the worst. Edit: malicious compliance doesn't work, at this point is better to wait which kind of regulations will or will not be implemented

@jakeparker44

Жыл бұрын

I like where your head is at.

@RaelDanger

Жыл бұрын

That's what I thought too

@artxgx9245

Жыл бұрын

Lol this wouldn't work. The programmers can decide which data source the ai pulls from and can even manually select the images themselves. Programmers can also filter and can tell the ai what not to look for and what to look for. Lol good luck tho if you think that tactic will work.

@jackengels5077

Жыл бұрын

@@artxgx9245 it would "help" if done correctly but I agree with you that there are many way around this.

@banned0404

Жыл бұрын

@@artxgx9245 but giving them more work is better. Polluting the source more will give them much more work to manually clean them and thus wasting their time.

This thing is coming after any kind of art, drawing, music, writing, anything creative. People do not understand that it will not just ruin the lives of artists but the consumer's too. When everyone has the ability to instantly create a high quality piece of art, no one will be able to make anything special, because there will be an overwhelming amount of top notch media generated constantly. Say goodbye to anime, movies, music, series, books, and almost everything creative and entertaining you love, because even the already existing ones will be drowning in the see of ai media. The endgame of this is when you sit on your couch and just type what you want to see and it will give to you a piece of media 100 times better than you ever could had thought, in many different variations. It will rob people from their right to be creative and express themselves, through effort and talent, (that is what makes their product special). If you have a dream to make something like that, say farewell to it, unless this somehow stops. In the immortal words of syndrome: "when everyone's super no one will be" and that's when we are heading. I think big companies should fight this too instead of embracing or ignoring it. It will come after their IPs when everyone starts effortlessly generating products better than them.

Everyone’s up in arms because now their precious monster warrior character design jobs are in jeopardy. A bunch of us right out of school in the 80’s got steamrolled by Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign, and the learning curve was so great, not to mention a computer set up that cost $3000 was well beyond 90% of us. And there was no talk of unions, or revolution. Nobody cared. We were just flotsam who “refused to adapt”. I don’t want to stop AI…i’ll embrace it and invest in it. I’ll be able to do now what I failed to do 35 years ago- make money from art! I’ll give you all the advice I got: Become a plumber!

The way you have these problems defining ability and then to solve it. Every time you blow my head off. You're my biggest inspiration !! ✨

I'm not an artist but I feel bad for all the real artist. One of the things to remember is the consistency is ultra trash on midjourney currently. Look up a consistency midjourney video on KZread and you'll see what I mean.

I enjoy AI for Art very much am a Artist myself and see Artists going against People enjoying Art, is a Shame for Art. Art is Art. Artists arent Art.

I think there needs to be a movement where artists can define themselves as having absolutely zero ai interaction in creating their art. Could be marketable

I recommend looking at how individuals have been successful in the music industry for the past twenty or so years to get a good idea for how to move forward in this post AI (ML) art world. There are many very similar parallels now.

@aine4400

Жыл бұрын

re music - this type of thing - the ‘AI’ of its day - where music was downloaded wholesale illegally - musicians (their agents) fought against it and WON 😊

@audiogus2651

Жыл бұрын

@@aine4400 No, I am talking about the impact of automation on production. Not piracy. Even non-illegal, completely ethical tools using public domain and opt-in data will be coming soon (if need be) that will be just as powerful as the scraped stuff you see now. I am talking about surviving in a post automation world. The creative parallels are things like sound libraries, music generators etc. For example to get the full sound of an orchestra now you do not need a sea of people etc. The same thing is coming for art with or without lawsuits. All this can very soon be done without breaching copyright so best to think about it anyway.

@aine4400

Жыл бұрын

@@audiogus2651 copyright had already been breached - damage is Already Done - It is NOT OK - artists need $$$ damages - it’s their income (yes; artists have businesses - like any other business) - nobody would rip off another business / so why allow artists businesses to be stolen from ?? My vested interest - $$$ vested interest is in protecting my original art - I have no other agenda I am not an affiliate - paid or unpaid - or an influencer; or a company employee I am clearly not employed in the AI industry … I have to wonder when people do not 100% support artists - on what is blatantly theft - why ??

@audiogus2651

Жыл бұрын

@@aine4400 we are talking about two entirely different subjects

@aine4400

Жыл бұрын

@@audiogus2651 the YT video is about the fight against AI ART

This is another kick in the butt for me to get my youtube on seriously! Currently I work as a graphic designer in film but I've been trying to get back into art seriously since 2016 and my channel is still sitting here with two speed paints lol. I've tried on IG over the years without much traction and feel pulled in too many directions. AI making me lack motivation and bringing "why bother" vibes. The entertainment industry is definitely going to adapt this and I don't enjoy the idea of some jerk who doesn't understand art telling me how to do art/my job. I think shifting to building communities and sharing real human made art is a great idea and as someone already said what a lot of artists have been doing/should already be doing. It's hard to build an audience but seems well worth it. THANK YOU FOR THIS!!

What would happen if all artist that really don't like AI regroup. I am sure we are quite a few million. If we act as one we would surely make a big difference.

@catkidney4432

Жыл бұрын

I totally agree!! I totally support your idea!

@just_for_funarts9905

Жыл бұрын

@@catkidney4432 Hello thanks for response. I have contacted a few art youtubers, even Jake the maker of this video, but no response. I think they are not willing to really have a direct fight on this issue. I do really believe that we can face them head on and win, but not if we stay in our little corner alone. If we are able to start a group would you join?

Thank you for this Jake! You're a constant inspiration and honestly an anchor for real artists. I'm really glad you made this because I've also been starting to write up some content I've wanted to start making to help growing artists face this struggle, especially the emerging one in the ages of about 8 to 16, that age where you fight the emotional battle of growing our skills really hard. I was going to share some material and instruction to help combat things, especially with this new shift in the landscape, so I'm so glad other big name artists are facing this head on too. Thank you for being you!

All four of your fighting solutions will directly improve AI and their datasets in the future

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

AI does not have intent, awareness or capability to feel and transmit emotions.

@Blastmaster321

Жыл бұрын

@@3polygons it doesn't need to. It will find patterns that mimic it perfectly. Maybe one day it willl experience them genuinely.

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

@@Blastmaster321 You mean that it will have a conscience.

Commercial art will use ai. There is a difference between creating art for commercial use and creating art just to exist, as a human expression. Define why you create and use the tool as needed. Hand drawn>painting>photography>ai This is part of the cycle and ai doesn't have the capability to destroy artists as a whole. That's just low self esteem thinking. Remember you are all good enough. Perfectly unique

As a writer who dreams of having an artist who is willing to work with me to bring a unique vision to life, I think you'll always be able to find some way to maintain stability. What I need is something AI art probably won't ever be able to accomplish. I know what an artist could do for me is still highly valuable because I lack (and probably always will lack) the funds to ever see my dream become a reality. All I have are my unwanted ideas trapped inside an increasingly broken body. People need you, they want what you can do. You'll always be in demand. There are many people who are already in the position you seem to be afraid of finding yourself in, and A.I. is not to blame. The challenges we face are a result of human decisions, and we can only fight those challenges by finding a way to promote a world that makes better decisions for the sake of all humanity.

@eurasiaacaci.-110

Жыл бұрын

You too should worry, this ai can be easily be applied to story telling as well.

@Pensive_Scarlet

Жыл бұрын

@@eurasiaacaci.-110 Yeah, no, I've had a lot of fun with it instead of worrying.

I agree about the humanity aspect... AI may be able to actually execute an art style even better than I can, but it will never be able to come up with the ideas that I conjure in my brain that spent a lifetime of having sorrow, joy, pain, pleasure, etc. Also, I'm not really worried about competition because no matter how many people or things are creating art, there's always room for more.

Thank you for strenghtening my resolve to fight even harder! I am already biting perspective, chewing sketches, and I even stated preapering my comic! We artists will die standing or live in glory, more artists need to hear this video

Every artist starts with the same question being it music, drawing, sculpting, whatever which is "Can I do that myself?" . That's why we are amazed when we see people fabricating, or playing music or drawing in the streets. It's that human connection that someone can actually make that. That person has the skill and took the time to master that craft that so many of us try and fail to achieve. AI does not have that! Between going to an AI and typing prompts or going to google and type a search query it's exactly the same emotion and feeling or non of it really. I'm pretty sure that if you're a bad director or you don't much care about people you'll go to either AI or google or whatever's cheaper and faster and just use that but you'd be pretty ashamed and probably would not tell anyone that was AI cause most people would not feel any connection to it. Would you build a house made from AI? Would you buy a print for your living room made from AI? Those things would just be soulless and deprived of any emotion, any humanity and you wouldn't feel any connection to them. I just hope AI becomes so vast and overlooked that, again, we take even more into recognition the people who actually CAN make art and are willing to share their vision and their soul with all of us. Thanks for the video!

This is great Jake! I've been going back and forth with a friend about this topic. I think if you focus on "solving problems" for clients rather than "making pretty pictures" the value you bring will still be in demand.

Someone please hear me out on this and let me know if these are doable, but since AI learns from us… 1. What if we mass produce intentionally ugly art and upload it on a mass scale so that it might worsen the art made by ai? Like spamming it? 2. What if on good artwork we watermark it, and when all art is uploaded that way, wouldn’t an annoying watermark start appearing on ai art? We can make a watermark labeled “human” or something Let me know if these have any chances of working!

@zvxcvxcz

Жыл бұрын

I think there's potential for steganographic embedding of signature data that is likely to get incorporated accidentally as part of an artist's style if applied to their work consistently. This would be concrete evidence that the AI used part of your work if this signature appears in an output. They may or may not win a fair use copyright battle, but that is at least a step towards winning copyright claims against AI art.

@TheCSJones

Жыл бұрын

No, the image set is so mind-bogglingly huge (several billion images) that adding watermarks or diluting the image pool wouldn't change anything unless every artist on earth started doing it overnight. However, if you're worried about someone specifically typing in your name and stealing your style, adding a watermark to all of your own images will probably prevent that.

@coolshiz7319

Жыл бұрын

Not all, and not even most AI art is scraped, so this might not work in most cases. Companies legally obtain the art by purchasing data from the companies of websites that artists upload to, due to the terms of service stating that they can sell your data to research companies.

@ShivaTD420

Жыл бұрын

They are using an aesthetic image recognition algorithm. Ugly things will get a low aesthetic and be skipped. Most of the new training seeks to meet your demands anyways You can also opt out of the data as well at laion website. Watermarks are removed. You can use a app called invisible watermark. Which is what the ai uses on its output images so it won't train on its own stuff. This watermark can contain strings of text by defaults to 4 characters. It survives most alterations except 45 degree rotations and 50 percent downscaling. But be careful with this watermark, since websites that enforce no ai will check for it. Presenting you with possible false accusations. If you do use it, write some sort of sentence into it with the date , a hash (for file CRC like md5) and your artist alias/name with a unique quote like "dedicated to my beloved" which can help lower the instances of false positives. Their crawler also obeys robots TXT , nor can it crawl through content on websites that have accounts that are private. You most likely joined a website that has you grant a license to your copyright material when you agreed to the tos. Most of your efforts should be with them or yourself for not reading the TOS. Usually you also offer a lower resolution lossy as well. Where the buyer gets the highest quality, or sometimes even the file from Photoshop or illustrator.

@ruiFF77

Жыл бұрын

Good ideas, but as Shiva TD420 wrote, it may not be working... I think that the radical solution is to stop, or never start, posting our works on sites that can let these images-grabbers to use our works. I just posted few of my drawings on Deviantart, and it was years ago. I'm glad I didn't share more, knowing the situation, but the idea of putting only ugly or incomplete art also popped up in my head, and while the IA radars may skip them, I'm still gonna post incomplete art if I want to, adding that's because I don't want the IA to grabe my stuffs. If we're enough people to do this for some time, there will be not new images or artstyle to feed to the program, the IA mass-producted art will end up looking the same and so, finally, they'll know we're fed-up with their copy machine. It may be not a win for us, but a huge hidrance for these thiefs in their agenda.

Another reason to do art traditionally, on canvas, on paper. Digital art is amazing and can save a lot of money in production, but at the same time, having physical carbon originals is something AI bots cannot replicate. They can't replicate your personal muscle memory, or that one pen in the drawer that you love but it's running out of ink

When the dog barked it reminded me of dogs going crazy when they sensed a Terminator

I do animation as a freelancer, I spend days working on projects but now it's like I need to convince clients I'm not using AI... they're literally taking our hard work for granted, demanding lower prices because they actually believe we use some sorta magic trick... it's frustrating, just the exhaustion of having to prove ourselves

...but people are starting to make comics with AI art. And the next gen of AI coming out, will allow you to replicate figures and scenes from different angles. There is no field of art that is AI proof. Because right now, people worship the skills of those artists -- their vision. But when you can replicate or replace that vision, or make your own, that worship will first lessen and then away. You had it right the first time, there is only two options.

@Sean-fs1sg

Жыл бұрын

People love people, not machines, for the most part. That's exactly why people are denegrating any art they think is AI generated, they don't want to see art by a machine. There is a motor racing event where cars race on AI, the crowd turn out is almost nonexistent, because people don't care about a machine driving around a track. The same will be true of art imo. Give it time, the rage against the machines is coming! ;)

Excellent video with amazing points of view and thoughtful considerations. I agree that KZread is still the best social media platform, as it still keeps the original goal of sharing between people instead of showing off. Thank you for sharing!

"How do we lean into our humanity?" *inspirational music plays* "The first is define your competition. You gotta-" *doggo aggressively barks in background* 😂😂😂so glad you did not edit that out! It just demonstrates your point so perfectly because this video, while still brilliant, would not have been as charming without it.

Look what art looked like before the invention of photography and look what happened after, humans will adapt, it will lead to even more creativity we cannot fathom now

jake they still can steal your art and put it in a ai to recreate it. we need laws against this clear art theft .

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

yep.

@ShawnFumo

Жыл бұрын

I think part of his point is having a clear style and point of view and interacting with people. Sure the AI can capture the general style of someone but it isn’t going to make the same decisions they would, be obsessed with the same things they are. People using the AI will have different intentions. You’re the only one that is actually you and so can sell that to some degree.

@ghostcontrollingameatsuit5119

Жыл бұрын

Reference isn't stealing

@samankucher5117

Жыл бұрын

@@ghostcontrollingameatsuit5119 Ai can't use reference that's a human think when Ai is trained on images it uses it to collect data like where every pixle goes where.... now i explain it it sounds more like it was maide to remake copies of images . the point it says Ai and humans are the same is incredibly foolish.

@ghostcontrollingameatsuit5119

Жыл бұрын

@@samankucher5117 that isn't how it works. Yet another idiot that has no clue about ai, but thinks they understand it.

i feel like ive already lost a lot of braincells related to art since i installed stable diffusion on my rig

I'm a Designer at a media agency. Honestly, AI is a tool. I already used AI for a coverdesign. I had to put it in photoshop afterwards and edit on it of course. But I created the Basics of the design with AI in a short amount of time, which was needed for the customer. This is a tool, and no technological advance has ever been restricted for long periods of time.

Thank you for making this video... I can't tell you how close I was to giving up on my dreams of becoming a professional artist due to feelings of inadequacy brought on by AI art. This video gave my artist's flame some much needed fuel and for that I am extremely grateful.

Haven’t seen anyone talking about this recently, I am now in nihilistic AI art mode. Time to end the world

1:15 "it's not about being artistic, you are a tool". Damn, this is a really depressing opinion. Because it can be applied to any job, any human activities, not just artists. Software developers, farmers, cashiers, delivery persons, clerks. This person does not see the person in front of them, they just see the final product, the materialistic object they can provide. What a depressing view of humanity

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

Luckily, there's more people with a sane, sensible take on life.

@caderoster8333

Жыл бұрын

A huge turn off for me, I was recently a huge stable diffusion fan!

So I think the essential component here is that people need to be interested in *you* as a person. If you have that, you can't be replaced by an AI, and if you don't have that, you can be automated away. More important than any particular thing is making it so that humanity as a whole can thrive when all work is voluntary, instead of the system we have now where if you don't have a job you're free to starve.

“Never draw what you can copy. Never copy what you can trace. And never trace what you can cut out and paste down." - Wally Wood: master illustrator

Great video! Frankly, these are things artist should have already been considering. Now that AI is here, these actions are even more important.

I don't care if AI takes over like Skynet, I will still create art until I die.

@shredd5705

Жыл бұрын

So will I... but will we get paid for it?

Good points. But I also feel that this is just people panicking because it is new. So you have to see where it goes.

@axoid

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. This happens with literally every technology that threatens someone's livelihood. People complain for a while, then most adapt. It's usually best to stay ahead of it and adapt on your own terms. I think the video did a pretty good job of addressing what an artist can do about it. Instead of just complaining he shows options on how one can adapt.

Great video on this!! I’m inspired to keep going and do more!! Thank you.

AI art could be a great tool if ppl would use it as this: a tool. Nowadays i m seeing a looot of fake artist which are selling a lot (especially on insta for what i see) and all they do as "artists" is putting words in a prompt 😐 incredible also how ppl love those drawings and wanna buy it while it s obvious that that piece is made by a program and done in literaly 5min maximum. This is ruining the whole system, i won t be surprised if companies in 10 yrs will stop recruiting concept artists and instead buy a powerfull pc to run these programs.... Sad

@3polygons

Жыл бұрын

It is infuriating to say the least. But I don't think it's the end of artists.

@ShawnFumo

Жыл бұрын

I’d keep in mind though that people will also get more savvy. Like I mess around with MidJourney and it has a community website where you can rate images, as well as various chat rooms. You can easily make some pretty things, but that gets boring fairly quick, both as a user getting images and as someone looking at what others have produced. It is stuff that is new and different or unique (either purely visually or from the ideas involved) that gets more attention. And more tools are coming which allow more control and creativity. Like “remix” where when you get a result, you can now change the prompt and it starts to subtly modify based on it. So maybe you have a forest where you start to morph the trunks into columns. Or a person that you start turning into vines. Can easily spend hours playing around morphing from the original result into something new and trying to get a particular effect. Not saying it is the same as a lifetime of practicing a craft but please don’t assume everyone using AI is just spending 5 mins on an image.

@Hadri_ART

Жыл бұрын

@@ShawnFumo but what you are doing isn t the same of what an artist do. The fact that you can control that process don t change the fact that the core of all this is done by a pc and not by you. I mean no problem if it s for fun, but still i find very hard to accept that these persons who use those programs are alike artists nowadays. Try to spend a whole month on an artwork, trying to define the vision inside your head, that s what an artist do. There s an intension behind every drawing. Plus how many hours does it take to master that program in order to have a nice result? In art you can spend decades before doing something cool that you appreciate. It s incomparable. When i see a piece in a museum i don t only see the art and the effort of the artist to make it, but also the effort he put during a lot of years of study and the dedication to reach that mindset and that level. The fact you are doing it in 3 hours and not in 5 min doesn t change all this

@ShawnFumo

Жыл бұрын

@@Hadri_ART Personally I think of it more like a collaboration. Think of it in music terms. On one end is a person can hire some session musicians and say “hey make me a 30s long thing that sounds like rock and roll for my commercial”. We’d never call that person an artist. But on the other end, you have a classical composer who specifies every note and probably even notes about the mood. We’d usually call them an artist even if they can’t play some (or even most) of the instruments. They’re both just giving instructions to other people. But the degree of control matters. Similarly we might talk about good directors as artists having a specific vision even if the end product is made by a huge team. And time and effort are just part of it. Like plenty of artists can quickly do sketches that they might still charge for. You don’t have to labor over something for a month for it to be real art. I do get where you’re coming from. Just writing a random prompt and liking the result means you got lucky. As more and more people get used to AI and what it can do, I think there will be different standards. Some stuff is just easier to do than others. Plus, I feel like control will only increase over time. As soon as it gets to the point that you can specifically place items and exact colors and types of brush strokes, you’ll need to have an artist’s sensibility to make it really good or actually make what is in your head without deluding yourself. But I think it’ll be possible eventually and at that point it gets a lot more case-by-case on how artistic the prompter is IMO. But the AI should still get some credit and not just the person for the finished result.

@Hadri_ART

Жыл бұрын

@@ShawnFumo you can t compare this to the work of a composer or of a director. They have the knowledge to do all that, you (i say you but i mean the ai community) don t have the art knowledge to elaborate a vision in a result. You have to study and dedicate yourself to art to get at that level. Can you think about someone without preparation who, after playing around 30 minutes with an orchestra, wins an oscar for the soundtrack of a film? Composers have to study music theory, composition, etc for years, same for directors and artists in each field. If i see someone who never drew a single thing and then suddently starts selling "artworks" done in 5/10 min, i can t get over the fact that it s a terrible thing for the art community (i swear i saw lots of ppl doing it on instagram lately). I see what you say about control and vision, but why don t you spend time learning art instead of learn to use a simple program? Because it s easier. Imagine someone who trains a whole life to beat a record on 100m and then this guy sees a person that do it in 10 min in a virtual reality with different laws of physics that allows him to run faster easily. The fact they can both "run" at the same speed doesn t mean their work has the same value. If in future this type of "art" will be more controlled and will require true maestry, i will give you that point, but for now it isn t yet and the 99% of the job is made by the algorithm

Jake Parker, you are my brother from another mother. Keep doing what your doing. Also as an artist is nice that we all read, like and follow the same artist.

I got blessed today in listening to your video while I was working! It helped beyond any AI thing because you reminded me to keep drawing stuff, and enjoy my style that I have! I've been afraid to draw on paper, though I got back into 3D stuff...still, there is nothing like that pencil/pen/whatever to paper. Thank you, Jake! 😄

Are there any groups we can join as artists to stand up against this? How can we come together and create a better future? Art has always been the thing that heals, that uplifts, that transports and transforms humanity. It connects us on a human level. It brings us together. We have to fight to uphold that. It's the same as fighting for the human spirit which is what we need to do more than ever now.

I'm not really concerned with people who use AI for art, to be honest. And I apply the same logic that I did with enefteebros. People that support that are people that, in the first place, wouldn't hire an artist for art, so none of them would ever hire me, or you, or anybody else. So, why bother thinking about non-clients?

@jakeparker44

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That's a good point, but I think it ignores the trajectory AI and society is on.

@3polygons

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I've made quite a lot of work for people of that kind... as well as those who appreciate me as an artist. It reduces the income savagely.

I feel really bad for English / Art teachers right now. I hope we can find a way for human and AI art to coexist.

Nice to have a new video from you Jake! I've missed these.

Love your honesty and integrity on this subject, Jake. Love how Twitter has been calling people out on AI postings (the brushwork and color theory is obvious). It's another tool I'll use for quick background compositions, but it can't replace how we convey emotion in our characters (yet). Thank you for posting, love the off-screen doggo!

I really appreciate this video on this subject. It's actually pretty encouraging and clear. And I really feel Walter on this issue, too. However, I would add a fifth step to AI-proofing our careers, and it might be the biggest pain and least fun thing possible, but I think it's going to become vital: Safeguard your copyright. Mind the legal P's and Q's. Lock that up tight. That quote from the founder of Stable Diffusion is pretty galling. Not only does he diss all working illustrators by calling them "tools," he follows that up by suggesting they should all just get jobs using his proprietary product. Isn't he cute? I supposed he'd like them to pay him for the privilege of becoming his tools in his shiny new future, as well. Omg. A person who has so little respect for artists' humanity or professionalism is not going to have any respect for their intellectual property, either. AI programs are already becoming notorious for adding artists' works to their data banks without the artists' knowledge or permission, let alone paying fees or royalties. Another commenter told how her work is being mistaken for AI generated art. That could potentially be because her work is being sampled by AI, which can now all but copy her work, given the right kinds of prompts. I've been reading news articles about this. I recently checked out HaveIBeenTrained. com, which is being developed to let artists try to find out if their work has been sampled for AI "training." I used a dragon painting I made recently, and thankfully, I did not appear in the search results of similar images from AI data banks, but after scanning hundreds of images, I found only 3 (!!!) that I know for sure are public domain because they happened to be some of the images I used in my research for the painting I did. They were Chinese ink paintings that I know are over 100 years old because I studied them on the websites of the museums that own them. All the rest - all of them - are very clearly new images, under the creators' copyright. Going forward, in addition to cementing our human identities and presence in the arts field, I think we are also going to have to develop the habit of scanning for AI uses of our work periodically, and be sure to use any and all opt-out opportunities we can get for every single AI app. And if we find we are being used to train AI despite opting out, we may need to be prepared to take legal action. The news on this has mentioned that some AI apps are even sampling people's private images - family photos, for instance - things that are not the work of artists. I am sure this will prove to be a violation of the EU's internet privacy laws. We should keep up to date on this issue and look for the first instances of the EU penalizing AI developers for violating privacy, as well as any updates to piracy and other copyright laws. They could open doors for artists to protect themselves better.

Thanks for tackling this subject with actionable steps. I've been seeing these animation AI's coming about and have been pretty nervous about how quickly those have been improving.

I've been following automation for 15 years and I really thought that the creative arts would be the final frontier of mechanization, well after other work was automated. My prediction was that by now many low-skill manual labor jobs would be replaced by robots and that we'd see a creative arts renaissance as replaced workers turned to art. Now here we are in 2022 and the exact opposite is happening. We still have human drivers, janitors and waiters while artists, writers and musicians are facing an existential crisis. I really didn't see this coming. What's scarier is that this is about much more than artists being put out of work. Jobs going obsolete can be addressed with welfare or retraining efforts, but art is different. There is nothing more human than art, if we let the bots steal art from us then we might as well just plug into the WALL-E universe. Art is a product of a lifetime of human passion, frustration, emotion and experience. Relegated to a soulless, unfeeling ai doing what it's programmed to do and you cheapen out entire species. Not to mention the mental health implications that I feel nobody is talking about. Imagine finding out that your favorite Twitter artist you've been following and talking to for months isn't real. They're just a bot programmed to spit out and generated image every few days, write a few human sounding tweets a day, and respond to DMs believably. Not being able to tell who's real and who's not is a literal schizophrenic nightmare, now imagine that becoming our everyday reality.

Such a good video, Jake! I love that the bulk of these tips are really about being a good ARTIST - like I feel like you could give this advice to someone in 2010 or 2000 and it would still be helpful. Guess it goes to show that the human element, combined with skill and determination, can weather the challenges that come and go. I feel like you've always had the most level head about this issue, and thanks for another great installment in your thought process!

Jake, I really think twitch also needs to be mentioned here. There are too many talented artists on that platform that have made a career out of making art live in front of everyone… While it may not have the diverse or respected crowd as some of the other platforms out there - it has been a great example of artists building communities around them and connecting people with their art. In an age where the authenticity of art comes into question, there is no more powerful tool to show, rather than tell.

@WhoseYourVladdy

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Someone took an in-progress screenshot of a twitch artist as they were drawing, and funneled into an AI "art" program to complete it based on the WIP. They posted it, then claimed it as their own work since they "completed" it first, and demanded credit from the artist. They said that they had been learning art for about a week, and they were probably gifted. Probably making an example with themselves as to showcase yet another issue with AI art and its dangers for artists. (But it wasnt made officially clear since it could of just been mindless trolling..) Your WIPS arent safe.

Interesting didn’t know people were using AI to do art works, it’s not there own art so can’t call it that. I’ve just found my style now people are saying you should write a childrens book around your paintings, why the painting is a story. Certainly a load of information here in the video, thanks for sharing with us all.